This is my first post, so perhaps there are previous posts about this. I seem to remember (I think season 3) about some glimpse into Walt's ugly past. I just remember thinking that after always feeling Sarah needs to get over Johnny that maybe Walt isn't someone she should be with. Can anyone help with this?
Ruralstar
Nov 9 2005, 01:45 PM
The s3 ep you are referring to is "No Questions Asked" The 'shady' parts of Walt's past are ten years earlier, long before he met Sarah. While what he does was questionable he did do it for the right reasons. IMO Sarah has a wonderful man in Walt. Everyone does things they regret. The characters are that much more real because of incidents like the one portrayed in the story.
brattytxn
Nov 9 2005, 04:50 PM
I think in a way "No Questions Asked" put Sarah and Walt on equal footing. Sarah thought Walt might be having and affair, right? Well, she had one nighter with John and Walt surely had always feared such a thing. I think he even might have suspected because they said that all things were forgotten and forgiven at the end of that episode. Walt admitted to doing things in the past.
I really liked that ep. It gave Walt alot more dimension.
You know, one thing I'd like to see is an ep linked to Walts days in the military. Didn't he say he was in Desert Storm? Walt surely had seen some horrible things in combat, atrocities possibly in other places he was deployed. That surely affects a man on a deep level.
Walt never thought he'd get married. In "Netherworld", a dream world, he was portrayed (whether by John's mind or not I'm not sure) as man afraid of women or not comfortable making "small talk".
I really looking forward to more character development for Walt and Bruce.
tim48035
Nov 9 2005, 10:01 PM
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Well, she had one nighter with John and Walt surely had always feared such a thing. I think he even might have suspected because they said that all things were forgotten and forgiven at the end of that episode.
The "fight" between Johnny and Walt, albiet forced by Johnny's "vision" when they both were in a coma in Ascent/Descent, was what brought them both out of the coma. I'm wondering if indeed (although he hinted at it at the end of the 2-part eppy) Walt did share the vision of Johnny admitting to him that he and Sarah had that one nighter, and kept the fact that he fully realized it was more than just a dream, to himself. I've thought that often in respect to Ascent/Descent and the aforementioned end of No Questions Asked.
I figure Johnny's "admission" killed two birds with one stone...informed Walt that it indeed happened, and helped with the guilt Johnny was feeling. I noticed since that the Ascent/Descent episode, that Johnny has, for the most part, gotten over his feelings for Sarah, with the remaining feelings gone after "Speak Now".
WatchingDZ
Nov 9 2005, 11:13 PM
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Well, she had one nighter with John and Walt surely had always feared such a thing. I think he even might have suspected because they said that all things were forgotten and forgiven at the end of that episode.
The "fight" between Johnny and Walt, albiet forced by Johnny's "vision" when they both were in a coma in Ascent/Descent, was what brought them both out of the coma. I'm wondering if indeed (although he hinted at it at the end of the 2-part eppy) Walt did share the vision of Johnny admitting to him that he and Sarah had that one nighter, and kept the fact that he fully realized it was more than just a dream, to himself. I've thought that often in respect to Ascent/Descent and the aforementioned end of No Questions Asked.
I figure Johnny's "admission" killed two birds with one stone...informed Walt that it indeed happened, and helped with the guilt Johnny was feeling. I noticed since that the Ascent/Descent episode, that Johnny has, for the most part, gotten over his feelings for Sarah, with the remaining feelings gone after "Speak Now".
Hi,
I think you are right- John has moved on. Yes he'll always have feelings for Sarah and wonder what life could have been like if he'd not been in the accident, or if she hadn't married Walt. But, he doesn't seem to be holding on to those feelings now- he's let it go. '
One other thing I wanted to say- I've noticed a change over the seasons in how John relates to Walt, alot of this to Walt's credit. At first, in the Season 1 movie debut, John saved Walt from being shot totally out of needing to do the right thing- a sense of duty. He couldn't live with himself if he used his gifts to his own advantage and let Walt be killed as a result. In Ascent from Season 2, John risked his life to save Walt mostly out of guilt I think for the one-nighter with Sarah. John was trying to set things right - to somehow undo the damage that was done to everyone involved. But in season 4's The Collector- John's reaction to his vision of Walt being shot was his own pure emotion. He was feeling his own sense of loss over the murder of someone he has come to terms with and care about. There was no duty or guilt here- he just wanted to save Walt. Their interactions have developed from hostility, fear, and awkwardness to mutual respect and concern for each other's welfare. Walt has always remained a stable, likeable guy in a really tough situation.
Ruralstar
Nov 10 2005, 08:21 AM
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One other thing I wanted to say- I've noticed a change over the seasons in how John relates to Walt, alot of this to Walt's credit. At first, in the Season 1 movie debut, John saved Walt from being shot totally out of needing to do the right thing- a sense of duty. He couldn't live with himself if he used his gifts to his own advantage and let Walt be killed as a result. In Ascent from Season 2, John risked his life to save Walt mostly out of guilt I think for the one-nighter with Sarah. John was trying to set things right - to somehow undo the damage that was done to everyone involved. But in season 4's The Collector- John's reaction to his vision of Walt being shot was his own pure emotion. He was feeling his own sense of loss over the murder of someone he has come to terms with and care about. There was no duty or guilt here- he just wanted to save Walt. Their interactions have developed from hostility, fear, and awkwardness to mutual respect and concern for each other's welfare. Walt has always remained a stable, likeable guy in a really tough situation.
I agree. I would add: In the car during No Questions Asked Walt blows up at John and tells him he is "Sick of you having control over me and my family" (paraphrased) John looks very hurt by this accusation. Sarah dragged John into the situation-again-and now John has a dilemna. He wants to help Sarah but he also wants to helps Walt. He sees a problem and as a friend he wants to help untangle the issue before anyone gets hurt, emotionally as well as physically. John later tells Sarah to "Talk to Walt" In other words, clean up your side of the issues because I have my own to deal with. John does not want to be in the middle and he does not want to hurt Walt's feelings. The accusations in the car would not have hurt half so much if he didn't care about Walt's side of the story.
In s4's Grains of Sand we see more of the Walt/John friendship coming into play. Walt has a job to do and you can tell he's not just angry but disappointed in John for taking the baby and putting him in such a lousy position. Walt wants to do the right thing as much as John, they naturally disagree on what the right thing is largely because John can see what Walt can't.
Possibly the most telling sign of Walt's trust is the line in The Last Good-bye "I found a woman who I can trust." Obviously alot of water under the bridge for Walt/Sarah as well as Walt/John since the events at the end of s1's Destiny I can see how some people would find Walt a bit too trusting all things considered. However, this discussion started out questioning Walt's integrity as a character. I think he's proven that he can do the right thing and that he has a good heart. Which includes forgiving his wife for past indiscretions, whether he is consciously aware of those indiscrtions or not.
Making mistakes makes us human. Part of the beauty of these characters are their flaws.
brattytxn
Nov 10 2005, 02:14 PM
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One other thing I wanted to say- I've noticed a change over the seasons in how John relates to Walt, alot of this to Walt's credit.
I think that's very true. I remember FJ saying, "Good old Walt to the rescue... you're gonna kill him. Sarah and Bruce too".
That just gives me the heebie-jeebies. It shows, though, that Walt remained faithful to his friendship with John I think as did Sarah and Bruce.
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