monklab2123
Nov 20 2009, 04:07 PM
finding Trudy's killer? I know there has bee a lot of discussion about who, how, why, etc. etc. etc..... but I haven't really read any post about how he will react.
Do you think he will kill the person responsible? I know he couldn't kill Nunn, although I think he really wanted to pull the trigger, but, as he said himself.... he still had information that Monk needed.
However, when he finds out who the sole person responsible for taking his beloved Trudy is, there won't be a need to "keep" them around.
I personally don't think he will kill them, but he does have an awful lot of anger built up inside him......
MrsNatalieMonk
Nov 20 2009, 08:26 PM
Good point. Everyone's so busy quibbling either over whodunnit or over M/N that this concept has gone pretty much unexplored (or at least to my knowledge it has).
This has really got me thinking. We saw how heartless Adrian could be in "Takes Manhattan" in such a situation. And we saw him lunge at that creep radio host in "On the Air" when pushed too far. So, yeah, I'd say there's a whole lot of pent up anger there.
The question is, will the anger be resolved as well once he finally figures it out. Maybe most of his anger is due to his having failed at figuring it out? Then again, I think some of this pent up anger is also from his childhood. When Trudy was alive, she was able to suppress all of the feelings of fear, pain, anger, etc. he had as a kid and when she died, she took that peace with her and those feelings were brought back to the surface.
On the other hand, Adrian turned Tennyson's medicine back on, so maybe, just maybe, Trudy will win out in the end. Also, I think Adrian might not want to simply kill Trudy's murderer (if we're assuming it's only one person). That's too easy. Maybe Adrian would prefer to see this person suffer in prison and that could cause him to suppress his want to kill.
Again, this is an interesting thing to think about.
nypdretired
Nov 20 2009, 08:50 PM
Captain S. will kill him/her/it.
DramaQueenBroadway
Nov 21 2009, 01:01 AM
I don't think Adrian could possibly kill Trudy's killer/killers. I know he's angry about not being able to find Trudy's killer, but looking at his personality, he doesn't seem like the type who would go and kill someone else and put their loved ones through the same thing he went through. I think that's part of the reason he still works with the police. He may not have been able to find Trudy's killer, so he decided to solve other people's cases so they wouldn't have to go through what he went through. He also probably decided to work with the police in hopes of finding Trudy's killer and bringing them justice. I don't think he wants anyone to die over it, I just think he wants justice to be served. I do however, think that solving Trudy's case will bring him some closure, and he will therefore find peace and happiness.
Liv
Nov 21 2009, 04:55 PM
I think he'll be too weak and sick to do anything at all about it, except to tell Leland and Randy who did it so they can go get him. He'll probably have to recover from his illness, too,which would take a while. I'm about 75% certain that he will survive, because I think he'll want to stick around long enough at least to see the guy go to court and be convicted, and because I think he really needs to let Trudy go and learn to live for himself now. I even suspect that Trudy will tell him something along these lines in a dream/vision when he is at his weakest/sickest point.
Ragnarok
Nov 21 2009, 09:20 PM
The only way he would kill the person is in self defense. He will probably throw the person an ass kicking (if it's a guy) but not kill them. That would be against the law and he would go to jail. Perhaps get off on an insanity plea or reduced sentence for crime of passion, but I don't see them ending the show with him killing someone in vengance. He will catch the person and they will go to jail.
MonknNatalie
Nov 22 2009, 01:06 PM
QUOTE (Ragnarok @ Nov 21 2009, 10:20 PM)

The only way he would kill the person is in self defense. He will probably throw the person an ass kicking (if it's a guy) but not kill them. That would be against the law and he would go to jail. Perhaps get off on an insanity plea or reduced sentence for crime of passion, but I don't see them ending the show with him killing someone in vengance. He will catch the person and they will go to jail.
Its a guy who killed Trudy. They show him on the phone in the End 1 preview saying, " 12 yrs. ago I killed Trudy Monk"
Ragnarok
Nov 22 2009, 01:15 PM
QUOTE (MonknNatalie @ Nov 22 2009, 02:06 PM)

Its a guy who killed Trudy. They show him on the phone in the End 1 preview saying, " 12 yrs. ago I killed Trudy Monk"
I realize that now. When I first posted this I had not seen that preview yet. I watched the badge episode on "USA On Demand" channle and they do not show clips for the next episode there. Yes it appears to be a guy which means he is in for an ass kicking, but I don't believe he will be killed. He will rot in jail.
KNOMYDURT
Nov 22 2009, 04:23 PM
How about this...the killer and Monk are face to face but the killer has some type of weapon and is about to kill Monk...then Natalie grabs a gun nearby and fires repeatedly into the killer ....and this without even blinking an eye or a moment of hesitation...
After it is over she has an angry and determined look on her face...showing no remorse...but she then runs to Monk, virtually falls into him...and the scene fades out...
Liv
Nov 22 2009, 04:43 PM
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 22 2009, 04:23 PM)

How about this...the killer and Monk are face to face but the killer has some type of weapon and is about to kill Monk...then Natalie grabs a gun nearby and fires repeatedly into the killer ....and this without even blinking an eye or a moment of hesitation...
After it is over she has an angry and determined look on her face...showing no remorse...but she then runs to Monk, virtually falls into him...and the scene fades out...
No.
Kawasakifan
Nov 22 2009, 05:19 PM
I guess the fertile imagination of us fans can erect numerous scenarios to support "he would" or "he won't" but unless the culprit is pointing a gun at him - or Natalie - and Monk also having a gun and must defend himself or save her and so having no choice, he may have to, IMHO his sense of justice - not personal vengence - would rule the day, hopefully.
KF
ProfessorAwesome
Nov 22 2009, 05:42 PM
Monk will kick him in the nads.
YORKIE7624
Nov 22 2009, 05:53 PM
I really don't think that he'll kill him. Monk has too much character and integrity do do that. Even in the heat of anger. Monk may not be the coolest head around but he is not trigger-happy. Unless it is self defense, Monk won't kill him. He might kick his (insert appropriate body part here) to kingdom come, but he won't kill him.
sb8
Nov 22 2009, 06:44 PM
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 21 2009, 05:55 PM)

I think he'll be too weak and sick to do anything at all about it, except to tell Leland and Randy who did it so they can go get him. He'll probably have to recover from his illness, too,which would take a while. I'm about 75% certain that he will survive, because I think he'll want to stick around long enough at least to see the guy go to court and be convicted, and because I think he really needs to let Trudy go and learn to live for himself now. I even suspect that Trudy will tell him something along these lines in a dream/vision when he is at his weakest/sickest point.
Everything you said sounds about right to me. To make the episode as dramatic as possible, he probably won't figure out who the killer is until his time is almost up. At that point, he'll be very weak. And it's probably around this point Trudy will speak to him, just before he gets saved.
KNOMYDURT
Nov 22 2009, 08:59 PM
I like the post above that suggests Monk kills Trudy's killer because he has to in order to save Natalie.
KNOMYDURT
Nov 22 2009, 10:05 PM
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 22 2009, 05:43 PM)

No.
What would bother you about Natalie being the ultimate killer of Trudy's killer...especially if she would do it in defense of Monk. We have seen several instances of Natalie being a very strong person...I could see this as a possibility just based on what we know about her. I don't think we are going to know Trudy's killer by the end of Part 1 though...Maybe Mitch's killer...but not Trudy's...just my thought though nothing to base it on
monklab2123
Nov 22 2009, 10:06 PM
QUOTE
ProfessorAwesome' date='Nov 22 2009, 05:42 PM' post='1236901']
Monk will kick him in the nads.
Liv
Nov 23 2009, 12:51 AM
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 22 2009, 10:05 PM)

What would bother you about Natalie being the ultimate killer of Trudy's killer...especially if she would do it in defense of Monk. We have seen several instances of Natalie being a very strong person...I could see this as a possibility just based on what we know about her. I don't think we are going to know Trudy's killer by the end of Part 1 though...Maybe Mitch's killer...but not Trudy's...just my thought though nothing to base it on
Oh, I don't care who she kills, I just don't want to see the rest of that scenario with her falling into Monk. Unless she trips and flies head first into him, in which case, it might be funny.
I am a non-shipper and strongly anti-mush. She can shoot whoever she wants, but she can't fall into him unless it's by accident.
DisherTheories
Nov 23 2009, 02:48 AM
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 23 2009, 01:51 AM)

Oh, I don't care who she kills, I just don't want to see the rest of that scenario with her falling into Monk. Unless she trips and flies head first into him, in which case, it might be funny.
I am a non-shipper and strongly anti-mush. She can shoot whoever she wants, but she can't fall into him unless it's by accident.
She'd have to 'accidentally' shoot him, as well. I'm just sayin'.
KNOMYDURT
Nov 23 2009, 09:44 PM
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 23 2009, 01:51 AM)

Oh, I don't care who she kills, I just don't want to see the rest of that scenario with her falling into Monk. Unless she trips and flies head first into him, in which case, it might be funny.
I am a non-shipper and strongly anti-mush. She can shoot whoever she wants, but she can't fall into him unless it's by accident.
I think that it is funny that you read into my post that falling into Monk meant in some sort of romantic way...Actually I meant it as a ...it's finally over...exhausted sort of falling into Monk....not a romantic type... guess I should have clarified my "falling"
Liv
Nov 23 2009, 10:05 PM
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 23 2009, 09:44 PM)

I think that it is funny that you read into my post that falling into Monk meant in some sort of romantic way...Actually I meant it as a ...it's finally over...exhausted sort of falling into Monk....not a romantic type... guess I should have clarified my "falling"

Oh. I guess I've just never seen someone become so suddenly overcome with exhaustion, at least not unless they had a severe form of narcolepsy. Since she ran over to Monk, I assumed she wasn't that tired.
We could assume, maybe that she has some kind of myotonia, but since we've seen her pretty excited before, and she's never frozen and fallen over, I think we could rule that out.
But, oh my god, wouldn't that be just hilarious?! "Mr. Mo--.." *THUNK*!
"Natalie?"
"I'm fine. Just let me get up."
"You should know I'm docking your pay for any time you spend lying down on the job."
"You're doc--" *THUNK*!
"Let's see, that's another eight seconds...."
*THUNK!*
"Better make that twenty two second..."
*THUNK*!
"Thirty two seconds...This could really work for me."
KNOMYDURT
Nov 23 2009, 10:26 PM
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 23 2009, 11:05 PM)

Oh. I guess I've just never seen someone become so suddenly overcome with exhaustion, at least not unless they had a severe form of narcolepsy. Since she ran over to Monk, I assumed she wasn't that tired.
We could assume, maybe that she has some kind of myotonia, but since we've seen her pretty excited before, and she's never frozen and fallen over, I think we could rule that out.
But, oh my god, wouldn't that be just hilarious?! "Mr. Mo--.." *THUNK*!
"Natalie?"
"I'm fine. Just let me get up."
"You should know I'm docking your pay for any time you spend lying down on the job."
"You're doc--" *THUNK*!
"Let's see, that's another eight seconds...."
*THUNK!*
"Better make that twenty two second..."
*THUNK*!
"Thirty two seconds...This could really work for me."
You Anti-Natalie person you

....Maybe the best match up for Monk is one of us, hey?
KNOMYDURT
Nov 23 2009, 10:49 PM
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 23 2009, 10:26 PM)

You Anti-Natalie person you

....Maybe the best match up for Monk is one of us, hey?

A question just occurred to me...Have we ever seen Natalie faint...pass out...anything like that? The closest I can recall was the Voo Doo incident. Actually would be a bit of a funny twist to see Natalie faint over some phobia that we find out that she has...
I hope that they really do think about doing some made for TV movies...as time passes I am sure that they could come up with several new and funny ideas...especially if Monk has put some of the past....behind him...if you will.
Liv
Nov 23 2009, 10:49 PM
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 23 2009, 10:26 PM)

You Anti-Natalie person you

....Maybe the best match up for Monk is one of us, hey?

I'm not anti-Natalie, I just have an odd sense of humor.

As for one of us, you can have him. I like him and all, but he's not someone I could live with.
Liv
Nov 23 2009, 10:59 PM
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 23 2009, 10:49 PM)

A question just occurred to me...Have we ever seen Natalie faint...pass out...anything like that? The closest I can recall was the Voo Doo incident. Actually would be a bit of a funny twist to see Natalie faint over some phobia that we find out that she has...
I hope that they really do think about doing some made for TV movies...as time passes I am sure that they could come up with several new and funny ideas...especially if Monk has put some of the past....behind him...if you will.
If he's changed too much in the time that passed, I don't think I'd be too interested in seeing those movies.
As for Natalie passing out, she passed out in Group Therapy, but that was for very good reason. Sort of. She was kneeling over a bucket with bleach and ammonia, which would make anyone pass out. If they were stupid enough to kneel there that long. Not one of Natalie's brighter moments, I have to concede, but at least it wasn't passing out over seeing a mouse or because some sparkly, moody Vampire lite boy kissed her. And she pretty obviously doesn't suffer from myotonia, since we've seen her get quite excitable several times over the years and she's never gone stiff and fell out.
Watch this video to see a case of myotonia in action. Also see fainting goats. I just think this one is so much funnier than the fainting goats.
BTW, it says that it was filmed on someone named Olivia's porch, but that is a different Olivia, I don't know this person.
KNOMYDURT
Nov 23 2009, 11:13 PM
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 23 2009, 10:49 PM)

I'm not anti-Natalie, I just have an odd sense of humor.

As for one of us, you can have him. I like him and all, but he's not someone I could live with.
Well...actually I agree with you. Couldn't live with him but I do find that him to be quite adorable... So, I guess Brooke will have to keep him, hey...

I am sure she finds him quite adorable too!
Liv
Nov 23 2009, 11:17 PM
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 23 2009, 11:13 PM)

Well...actually I agree with you. Couldn't live with him but I do find that him to be quite adorable... So, I guess Brooke will have to keep him, hey...

I am sure she finds him quite adorable too!
She must. Actually, from what we have seen of Tony, he probably is a whole lot easier to live with than Monk.
But really, who wouldn't be?
KNOMYDURT
Nov 24 2009, 10:42 AM
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 23 2009, 11:59 PM)

If he's changed too much in the time that passed, I don't think I'd be too interested in seeing those movies.
As for Natalie passing out, she passed out in Group Therapy, but that was for very good reason. Sort of. She was kneeling over a bucket with bleach and ammonia, which would make anyone pass out. If they were stupid enough to kneel there that long. Not one of Natalie's brighter moments, I have to concede, but at least it wasn't passing out over seeing a mouse or because some sparkly, moody Vampire lite boy kissed her. And she pretty obviously doesn't suffer from myotonia, since we've seen her get quite excitable several times over the years and she's never gone stiff and fell out.
Watch this video to see a case of myotonia in action. Also see fainting goats. I just think this one is so much funnier than the fainting goats.
BTW, it says that it was filmed on someone named Olivia's porch, but that is a different Olivia, I don't know this person.
OMG! I love your squirrel video...so, so funny! I've never seen anything like that before. I wonder what's up with that squirrel? Does he think he is playing dead or what???
monanic10
Nov 24 2009, 10:47 AM
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 24 2009, 10:42 AM)

OMG! I love your squirrel video...so, so funny! I've never seen anything like that before. I wonder what's up with that squirrel? Does he think he is playing dead or what???
Haha! I love it too! I like the other squirrel's reaction, he just kind of stares at him. Very funny! xD
Liv
Nov 24 2009, 11:33 AM
QUOTE (monanic10 @ Nov 24 2009, 10:47 AM)

Haha! I love it too! I like the other squirrel's reaction, he just kind of stares at him. Very funny! xD
I know, I think the other squirrel's reaction is just as funny as the first one falling out! "I'll rip you ap--...Whoa...okay."
But the first squirrel is either myotonic or has narcolepsy. Narcolepsy in animals causes them to faint or suddenly fall asleep, particularly when they start to get excited. People who own narcoleptic dogs have a problem with their dogs remaining awake long enough to eat at dinner time, for example.
Myotonia is the slow relaxation of muscles following a voluntary contraction, meaning if you startle someone with myotonia and they tense suddenly, they won't be able to relax them for several seconds. It usually comes along with a serious illness in humans, but in animals, there is a form that occurs without any illness and is generally harmless, where a sudden start will make their muscles go tense and they will fall over. This is what causes 'fainting goats' to seem to faint. They don't really faint, there is no loss of consciousness, they just get stiff and can't relax their muscles fast enough that their balance can compensate for the sudden halting of movement. It's also what causes o'possums to freeze up when scared, leading to the term 'playing possum'.
KNOMYDURT
Nov 24 2009, 01:21 PM
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 24 2009, 11:33 AM)

I know, I think the other squirrel's reaction is just as funny as the first one falling out! "I'll rip you ap--...Whoa...okay."
But the first squirrel is either myotonic or has narcolepsy. Narcolepsy in animals causes them to faint or suddenly fall asleep, particularly when they start to get excited. People who own narcoleptic dogs have a problem with their dogs remaining awake long enough to eat at dinner time, for example.
Myotonia is the slow relaxation of muscles following a voluntary contraction, meaning if you startle someone with myotonia and they tense suddenly, they won't be able to relax them for several seconds. It usually comes along with a serious illness in humans, but in animals, there is a form that occurs without any illness and is generally harmless, where a sudden start will make their muscles go tense and they will fall over. This is what causes 'fainting goats' to seem to faint. They don't really faint, there is no loss of consciousness, they just get stiff and can't relax their muscles fast enough that their balance can compensate for the sudden halting of movement. It's also what causes o'possums to freeze up when scared, leading to the term 'playing possum'.
Liv, you are just a wealth of knowledge...Narcolepsy or Myotonia...whatever it is, let's hope it doesn't happen to this poor squirrel as tree top...bad for the squirrel...freaky for anyone who would happen to be standing under the tree!
Liv
Nov 24 2009, 01:31 PM
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 24 2009, 01:21 PM)

Liv, you are just a wealth of knowledge...Narcolepsy or Myotonia...whatever it is, let's hope it doesn't happen to this poor squirrel as tree top...bad for the squirrel...freaky for anyone who would happen to be standing under the tree!

I agree, I'm actually kind of amazed that this squirrel has lived as long as he has at the time this video was made.
Could you imagine walking through a park, hearing a little rustling in the tree overhead and looking up, just as a fuzzy little dark shape falls on your face? Especially if it wakes up just before it hits!
It wouldn't be very funny to you, right at that moment, but anyone walking with you is going to be rolling on the ground laughing their butts off.
ProfessorAwesome
Nov 24 2009, 02:14 PM
I think it would be great if Monk was some how able to trap the killer somewhere with a bomb and blow him up. Poetic justice.
KNOMYDURT
Nov 24 2009, 02:16 PM
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 24 2009, 01:31 PM)

I agree, I'm actually kind of amazed that this squirrel has lived as long as he has at the time this video was made.
Could you imagine walking through a park, hearing a little rustling in the tree overhead and looking up, just as a fuzzy little dark shape falls on your face? Especially if it wakes up just before it hits!
It wouldn't be very funny to you, right at that moment, but anyone walking with you is going to be rolling on the ground laughing their butts off.
I'm getting a visual! LOL
Kawasakifan
Nov 24 2009, 06:37 PM
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 23 2009, 02:51 PM)

Oh, I don't care who she kills, I just don't want to see the rest of that scenario with her falling into Monk. Unless she trips and flies head first into him, in which case, it might be funny.
I am a non-shipper and strongly anti-mush. She can shoot whoever she wants, but she can't fall into him unless it's by accident.
Dear Liv,
Interesting self-revelation in being "ant-mush" but not "anti-shipper" as well, distingushing "mush" and shipper as the former being objectionable than "mush."
FK
nypdretired
Nov 24 2009, 07:20 PM
QUOTE (ProfessorAwesome @ Nov 22 2009, 06:42 PM)

Monk will kick him in the nads.
And then take a five hour shower to get all the germs off his knee.
strike14
Nov 24 2009, 09:47 PM
I hope for the killer's sake there is a full security team in place.
Monk nearly killed the 6 finger man. I think he will want to take out this guy.
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