For the record, the writers screwed up badly on the matter of Elliot getting Olivia bailed without telling Kathy. What they had happen is not possible.
There is no way he could have gotten a mortgage on the Stable house that fast. And no lender would write a mortgage without Kathy's signature on the application. They would not let only one married person mortgage their house, especially since Kathy is certainly on the papers as one of the owners. That is the most likely situtation since they bought the house about the time the twins were born. Even if Elliot was the only person named as the owner, the lender would want Kathy's signature as proof that she waived her rights as Elliot's wife.
But assuming the writers screwed and didn't mean to say mortgage, the same thing would apply if Elliot had tried to the house as collateral for a bail bond. They would check the title on the house as well as sending an appraiser before accepting the house as collateral. That can be done in as little as a day. But they would have insisted on Kathy's signature on the paperwork. Otherwise if Olivia jumped bail and they tried to enforce a lien on the house, they would not be able to do so.
All the writers had to do in order to avoid the mistake was to have Elliot say that Kathy had agreed it was the right thing to do. Which would make perfect sense.
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Jessicarich Posted Today, 10:53 PM
"If Elliot only wanted to talk about the case, he would have done just that instead of trying to take care of her. It's obvious he cared about her well being, because he stayed, tucked her in and tried to make her some tea. All the while Olivia was the one discussing the case."
Elliot was talking to Olivia about the case. He was asking questions. And he couldn't have her to try to ID the guy over the phone.
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"And 9 times out of 10 Olivia asked Elliot to bring the case file to her."
That sentence doesn't make any sense. But if you are saying Olivia asked Elliot to bring her file, that is unlikely. Elliot was working the case and needed the information. Olivia had no way of knowing about the case since she was home sick.
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Whether it was his fatherly instincts or not he was concerned with her getting better. That's not in the partners contract.
Yes, it would be "in the partners contract". Elliot knew Olivia had nobody else to check in on her. Of course he is going to check on her. He knows Olivia isn't going to take care of herself. And he doesn't want her to come back to work too soon. Which is what a workaholic like Olivia would try and do.
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"When John hurt his leg we didn't see Fin over at his house feeding him chicken noodle soup while he rested on the couch."
When John hurt his leg, he went to work. Cragen did have him stay at the station. He didn't need chicken noodle soup or to rest on the couch. He wasn't going to infect everyone else with an injured leg.
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"And Fin picking up a shake doesn't' even compare to that and was it in now way taking care of John like Elliot was temperature checking and attempted tea making for Olivia"
It was the thoughtfulness that was the same. The situation were different. Fin didn't have to take John's temperature or make tea wa John was in the hospital and there were other people to do those things. Olivia was at home not taking care of herself.
If John had been sick and Fin had to go to his apartment with a file he needed to see, I would expect Fin to ask if his partner needed him to pick up food or medicine from the drug store. And even to check on his temperature if needed. Although I doubt Fin would know how to do it with his hand.
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"That scene is a shippers dream."
That's why it was there. To draw in the people who wear EO shipper colored glasses.
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"If Elliot only wanted to talk about the case, he would have done just that instead of trying to take care of her. It's obvious he cared about her well being, because he stayed, tucked her in and tried to make her some tea. All the while Olivia was the one discussing the case."
Elliot was talking to Olivia about the case. He was asking questions. And he couldn't have her to try to ID the guy over the phone.
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"And 9 times out of 10 Olivia asked Elliot to bring the case file to her."
That sentence doesn't make any sense. But if you are saying Olivia asked Elliot to bring her file, that is unlikely. Elliot was working the case and needed the information. Olivia had no way of knowing about the case since she was home sick.
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Whether it was his fatherly instincts or not he was concerned with her getting better. That's not in the partners contract.
Yes, it would be "in the partners contract". Elliot knew Olivia had nobody else to check in on her. Of course he is going to check on her. He knows Olivia isn't going to take care of herself. And he doesn't want her to come back to work too soon. Which is what a workaholic like Olivia would try and do.
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"When John hurt his leg we didn't see Fin over at his house feeding him chicken noodle soup while he rested on the couch."
When John hurt his leg, he went to work. Cragen did have him stay at the station. He didn't need chicken noodle soup or to rest on the couch. He wasn't going to infect everyone else with an injured leg.
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"And Fin picking up a shake doesn't' even compare to that and was it in now way taking care of John like Elliot was temperature checking and attempted tea making for Olivia"
It was the thoughtfulness that was the same. The situation were different. Fin didn't have to take John's temperature or make tea wa John was in the hospital and there were other people to do those things. Olivia was at home not taking care of herself.
If John had been sick and Fin had to go to his apartment with a file he needed to see, I would expect Fin to ask if his partner needed him to pick up food or medicine from the drug store. And even to check on his temperature if needed. Although I doubt Fin would know how to do it with his hand.
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"That scene is a shippers dream."
That's why it was there. To draw in the people who wear EO shipper colored glasses.
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QUOTE (Hisgirlforevermore @ Nov 18 2009, 10:54 PM) 
For the record, the writers screwed up badly on the matter of Elliot getting Olivia bailed without telling Kathy. What they had happen is not possible.
There is no way he could have gotten a mortgage on the Stable house that fast. And no lender would write a mortgage without Kathy's signature on the application. They would not let only one married person mortgage their house, especially since Kathy is certainly on the papers as one of the owners. That is the most likely situtation since they bought the house about the time the twins were born. Even if Elliot was the only person named as the owner, the lender would want Kathy's signature as proof that she waived her rights as Elliot's wife.
But assuming the writers screwed and didn't mean to say mortgage, the same thing would apply if Elliot had tried to the house as collateral for a bail bond. They would check the title on the house as well as sending an appraiser before accepting the house as collateral. That can be done in as little as a day. But they would have insisted on Kathy's signature on the paperwork. Otherwise if Olivia jumped bail and they tried to enforce a lien on the house, they would not be able to do so.
All the writers had to do in order to avoid the mistake was to have Elliot say that Kathy had agreed it was the right thing to do. Which would make perfect sense.
There is no way he could have gotten a mortgage on the Stable house that fast. And no lender would write a mortgage without Kathy's signature on the application. They would not let only one married person mortgage their house, especially since Kathy is certainly on the papers as one of the owners. That is the most likely situtation since they bought the house about the time the twins were born. Even if Elliot was the only person named as the owner, the lender would want Kathy's signature as proof that she waived her rights as Elliot's wife.
But assuming the writers screwed and didn't mean to say mortgage, the same thing would apply if Elliot had tried to the house as collateral for a bail bond. They would check the title on the house as well as sending an appraiser before accepting the house as collateral. That can be done in as little as a day. But they would have insisted on Kathy's signature on the paperwork. Otherwise if Olivia jumped bail and they tried to enforce a lien on the house, they would not be able to do so.
All the writers had to do in order to avoid the mistake was to have Elliot say that Kathy had agreed it was the right thing to do. Which would make perfect sense.
Yeah, but we only got 42 minutes to tell the story (hell, I think we may be down to 38), so we have to suspend disbelief when it comes to things of that nature.
ANDREA
DeliviaIStheWAYitSHOULDbe Posted Today, 11:22 PM
Yeah, but we only got 42 minutes to tell the story (hell, I think we may be down to 38), so we have to suspend disbelief when it comes to things of that nature.
It wouldn't have taken any more time to have done it right than to have done it wrong.
This is a case of the writers not doing their research, which is now a big problem with SVU. They didn't used to make that sort of mistake but now they do it all the time. There is no excuse for that level of competence, especially when Nail Baer says they have people advising them on how to do things correctly.
Yeah, but we only got 42 minutes to tell the story (hell, I think we may be down to 38), so we have to suspend disbelief when it comes to things of that nature.
It wouldn't have taken any more time to have done it right than to have done it wrong.
This is a case of the writers not doing their research, which is now a big problem with SVU. They didn't used to make that sort of mistake but now they do it all the time. There is no excuse for that level of competence, especially when Nail Baer says they have people advising them on how to do things correctly.
QUOTE (Hisgirlforevermore @ Nov 18 2009, 11:19 PM)
Jessicarich Posted Today, 10:53 PM
"If Elliot only wanted to talk about the case, he would have done just that instead of trying to take care of her. It's obvious he cared about her well being, because he stayed, tucked her in and tried to make her some tea. All the while Olivia was the one discussing the case."
Elliot was talking to Olivia about the case. He was asking questions. And he couldn't have her to try to ID the guy over the phone.
Actually he asked one question in regards to her case.
"do you recognize him?"
the rest he was answering her questions
that she was asking
But he also said(in no particular order)
"you look like crap"
"the swine flu is just a bug"
"i'll figure it out you rest"
"do you have anyone taking care of you?"
"i"m going to make you some tea"
"I'll figure it out you rest"
"Have you seen a doctor?"
"You have absolutely no food in this house"
"planning a tropical getaway?"
"let's get you into bed"
That sound like someone who only came to talk about the case and question her? Asking one whole question.
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"And 9 times out of 10 Olivia asked Elliot to bring the case file to her."
That sentence doesn't make any sense. But if you are saying Olivia asked Elliot to bring her file, that is unlikely. Elliot was working the case and needed the information. Olivia had no way of knowing about the case since she was home sick.
It makes plenty sense. If you can't understand it, that's an entirely different issue.
I've watched the episode 3 times already. When Elliot brings the case file to Olivia it was obvious he had briefed her over the phone because the 1st thing she says "is this our guy?
If she didn't know anything about the case, how would she know what he was talking about, and know that her card was found on the scene without Elliot telling her?
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Whether it was his fatherly instincts or not he was concerned with her getting better. That's not in the partners contract.
Yes, it would be "in the partners contract". Elliot knew Olivia had nobody else to check in on her. Of course he is going to check on her. He knows Olivia isn't going to take care of herself. And he doesn't want her to come back to work too soon. Which is what a workaholic like Olivia would try and do.
In no way is Elliot obligated to take care of Olivia. He did it because he wanted to. Period
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"When John hurt his leg we didn't see Fin over at his house feeding him chicken noodle soup while he rested on the couch."
When John hurt his leg, he went to work. Cragen did have him stay at the station. He didn't need chicken noodle soup or to rest on the couch. He wasn't going to infect everyone else with an injured leg.
Does it matter? When he got shot in his behind did we see Fin at his house taking care of him? You know what I'm trying to say.
Olivia wasn't t risk to infect anyone at her home. Same difference
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"And Fin picking up a shake doesn't' even compare to that and was it in now way taking care of John like Elliot was temperature checking and attempted tea making for Olivia"
It was the thoughtfulness that was the same. The situation were different. Fin didn't have to take John's temperature or make tea wa John was in the hospital and there were other people to do those things. Olivia was at home not taking care of herself.
If John had been sick and Fin had to go to his apartment with a file he needed to see, I would expect Fin to ask if his partner needed him to pick up food or medicine from the drug store. And even to check on his temperature if needed. Although I doubt Fin would know how to do it with his hand.
But until we see that happen, you can't say with certainty that's how it would happen. We can with E/O because we've just seen it.
Bringing someone a shake is no different than picking up coffee in the morning. It's a thoughtful gesture. But taking care of someone when they are sick is a caring gesture. BIG difference
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"That scene is a shippers dream."
That's why it was there. To draw in the people who wear EO shipper colored glasses.
You don't think I know that?And it worked, I couldn't be happier with that scene.
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"If Elliot only wanted to talk about the case, he would have done just that instead of trying to take care of her. It's obvious he cared about her well being, because he stayed, tucked her in and tried to make her some tea. All the while Olivia was the one discussing the case."
Elliot was talking to Olivia about the case. He was asking questions. And he couldn't have her to try to ID the guy over the phone.
Actually he asked one question in regards to her case.
"do you recognize him?"
the rest he was answering her questions
that she was asking
But he also said(in no particular order)
"you look like crap"
"the swine flu is just a bug"
"i'll figure it out you rest"
"do you have anyone taking care of you?"
"i"m going to make you some tea"
"I'll figure it out you rest"
"Have you seen a doctor?"
"You have absolutely no food in this house"
"planning a tropical getaway?"
"let's get you into bed"
That sound like someone who only came to talk about the case and question her? Asking one whole question.
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"And 9 times out of 10 Olivia asked Elliot to bring the case file to her."
That sentence doesn't make any sense. But if you are saying Olivia asked Elliot to bring her file, that is unlikely. Elliot was working the case and needed the information. Olivia had no way of knowing about the case since she was home sick.
It makes plenty sense. If you can't understand it, that's an entirely different issue.
I've watched the episode 3 times already. When Elliot brings the case file to Olivia it was obvious he had briefed her over the phone because the 1st thing she says "is this our guy?
If she didn't know anything about the case, how would she know what he was talking about, and know that her card was found on the scene without Elliot telling her?
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Whether it was his fatherly instincts or not he was concerned with her getting better. That's not in the partners contract.
Yes, it would be "in the partners contract". Elliot knew Olivia had nobody else to check in on her. Of course he is going to check on her. He knows Olivia isn't going to take care of herself. And he doesn't want her to come back to work too soon. Which is what a workaholic like Olivia would try and do.
In no way is Elliot obligated to take care of Olivia. He did it because he wanted to. Period
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"When John hurt his leg we didn't see Fin over at his house feeding him chicken noodle soup while he rested on the couch."
When John hurt his leg, he went to work. Cragen did have him stay at the station. He didn't need chicken noodle soup or to rest on the couch. He wasn't going to infect everyone else with an injured leg.
Does it matter? When he got shot in his behind did we see Fin at his house taking care of him? You know what I'm trying to say.
Olivia wasn't t risk to infect anyone at her home. Same difference
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"And Fin picking up a shake doesn't' even compare to that and was it in now way taking care of John like Elliot was temperature checking and attempted tea making for Olivia"
It was the thoughtfulness that was the same. The situation were different. Fin didn't have to take John's temperature or make tea wa John was in the hospital and there were other people to do those things. Olivia was at home not taking care of herself.
If John had been sick and Fin had to go to his apartment with a file he needed to see, I would expect Fin to ask if his partner needed him to pick up food or medicine from the drug store. And even to check on his temperature if needed. Although I doubt Fin would know how to do it with his hand.
But until we see that happen, you can't say with certainty that's how it would happen. We can with E/O because we've just seen it.
Bringing someone a shake is no different than picking up coffee in the morning. It's a thoughtful gesture. But taking care of someone when they are sick is a caring gesture. BIG difference
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"That scene is a shippers dream."
That's why it was there. To draw in the people who wear EO shipper colored glasses.
You don't think I know that?And it worked, I couldn't be happier with that scene.
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The episode was better than I was expecting it to be.
best line ever: Let's get you into bed
QUOTE (saRah41 @ Nov 18 2009, 11:10 PM)
Good ep! My only problem? Liv. Owns. A. Snuggie.
I thought the same thing! I saw the blanket, then saw the arm holes, and thought-is that a snuggie? WTF!!!!
Elliot does NOT know about Olivia's ordeal from Sealview. I think it was Neal Baer who said he knows but I have seen no indication of it at all on the show. Elliot wasn't around when Tucker questioned Olivia about it, he tried to use it on Olivia which she knew was BS because she said "you're lying".
I was disappointed that there was no mention of Cragen being suspended- he was back to work as if nothing had happened at all and Munch wasn't in charge.
However I am glad to see the detectives working together, Elliot, Fin, and Munch taking a part of solving the murder case and trying to save Olivia's career.
Although it was nice to see Elliot taking care of Olivia, I thought it was a bit too much for Elliot to use his house to set Olivia's bail. I have to go with hisgirl on this one because it did not sound right, especially with Kathy not knowing about it. I'm sure Kathy would have approved perhaps, they (Olivia and Kathy) have been getting along more closely since their car accident and I'm sure Kathy would want to pay Olivia back somehow of helping her get through Eli's birth. If Elliot had said "yeah Kathy said it was fine" then this little section of my review would not exist!
Wow...Elizabeth was mentioned! Guess she wasn't forgotten after all as it appeared from Turmoil when her twin brother was in trouble.
Of course I love how Elliot called Kathy "Kath" and "Babe". He hasn't called Kathy "Kath" in a while, I think Countdown in season 2? He has called Kathy "Babe/Baby" quite a few times, last was Wildlife, Paternity, and again Countdown. That just brightens up my EK smile.
No preview for Anchor, that sucks. Guess gotta watch next week's for the last 5 minutes to see it.
Oh, Olivia has a car? the 65 mustang? Huh? Didn't she have a car in Paternity? It could have been a police-issued car but I actually thought it was her car.
I was disappointed that there was no mention of Cragen being suspended- he was back to work as if nothing had happened at all and Munch wasn't in charge.
However I am glad to see the detectives working together, Elliot, Fin, and Munch taking a part of solving the murder case and trying to save Olivia's career.
Although it was nice to see Elliot taking care of Olivia, I thought it was a bit too much for Elliot to use his house to set Olivia's bail. I have to go with hisgirl on this one because it did not sound right, especially with Kathy not knowing about it. I'm sure Kathy would have approved perhaps, they (Olivia and Kathy) have been getting along more closely since their car accident and I'm sure Kathy would want to pay Olivia back somehow of helping her get through Eli's birth. If Elliot had said "yeah Kathy said it was fine" then this little section of my review would not exist!
Wow...Elizabeth was mentioned! Guess she wasn't forgotten after all as it appeared from Turmoil when her twin brother was in trouble.
Of course I love how Elliot called Kathy "Kath" and "Babe". He hasn't called Kathy "Kath" in a while, I think Countdown in season 2? He has called Kathy "Babe/Baby" quite a few times, last was Wildlife, Paternity, and again Countdown. That just brightens up my EK smile.
No preview for Anchor, that sucks. Guess gotta watch next week's for the last 5 minutes to see it.
Oh, Olivia has a car? the 65 mustang? Huh? Didn't she have a car in Paternity? It could have been a police-issued car but I actually thought it was her car.
VUlovesME Posted Today, 01:08 AM
Elliot does NOT know about Olivia's ordeal from Sealview. I think it was Neal Baer who said he knows but I have seen no indication of it at all on the show. Elliot wasn't around when Tucker questioned Olivia about it, he tried to use it on Olivia which she knew was BS because she said "you're lying".
I don't believe anything Neil Baer says. But there are indications that Elliot knows what happened at Sealview. In Undercover, Elliot asks "What happened in the basement?". He didn't ask "What happened at Sealview?" or "Is everything okay?. He asked about the specific location where the attack took place. There would no reason to ask if what happened unless he knew something had happened there.
Then there are the comments from Smut. "You should know that better than anyone." from when Elliot and Olivia are talking about the rapes. A victim of sexual assault would understand what other victims have gone through more than a detective who hasn't been through it.
Cragen knows that Olivia was almost raped at Sealview. He was in the room when she said so. And he knows she was having problems dealing with it. Do you really think he would put Elliot's life at risk by not telling him what he could expect if Olivia has another flashback?
Olivia knowing Tucker was lying wasn't because Elliot didn't know about Sealview. She knows Elliot wouldn't tell Tucker anything of his own accord.
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I was disappointed that there was no mention of Cragen being suspended- he was back to work as if nothing had happened at all and Munch wasn't in charge.
TPTB almost never follow up on things that happen in previous episodes. It is a big reason there is such a problem with continuity.
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Oh, Olivia has a car? the 65 mustang? Huh? Didn't she have a car in Paternity? It could have been a police-issued car but I actually thought it was her car.
She said it was a recent purchase. She has used police-issued cars in the past for personal business. Cragen yelled at her for doing it in Philadelphia.
Elliot does NOT know about Olivia's ordeal from Sealview. I think it was Neal Baer who said he knows but I have seen no indication of it at all on the show. Elliot wasn't around when Tucker questioned Olivia about it, he tried to use it on Olivia which she knew was BS because she said "you're lying".
I don't believe anything Neil Baer says. But there are indications that Elliot knows what happened at Sealview. In Undercover, Elliot asks "What happened in the basement?". He didn't ask "What happened at Sealview?" or "Is everything okay?. He asked about the specific location where the attack took place. There would no reason to ask if what happened unless he knew something had happened there.
Then there are the comments from Smut. "You should know that better than anyone." from when Elliot and Olivia are talking about the rapes. A victim of sexual assault would understand what other victims have gone through more than a detective who hasn't been through it.
Cragen knows that Olivia was almost raped at Sealview. He was in the room when she said so. And he knows she was having problems dealing with it. Do you really think he would put Elliot's life at risk by not telling him what he could expect if Olivia has another flashback?
Olivia knowing Tucker was lying wasn't because Elliot didn't know about Sealview. She knows Elliot wouldn't tell Tucker anything of his own accord.
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I was disappointed that there was no mention of Cragen being suspended- he was back to work as if nothing had happened at all and Munch wasn't in charge.
TPTB almost never follow up on things that happen in previous episodes. It is a big reason there is such a problem with continuity.
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Oh, Olivia has a car? the 65 mustang? Huh? Didn't she have a car in Paternity? It could have been a police-issued car but I actually thought it was her car.
She said it was a recent purchase. She has used police-issued cars in the past for personal business. Cragen yelled at her for doing it in Philadelphia.
QUOTE (Hisgirlforevermore @ Nov 19 2009, 02:23 AM)
VUlovesME Posted Today, 01:08 AM
Then there are the comments from Smut. "You should know that better than anyone." from when Elliot and Olivia are talking about the rapes. A victim of sexual assault would understand what other victims have gone through more than a detective who hasn't been through it.
Then there are the comments from Smut. "You should know that better than anyone." from when Elliot and Olivia are talking about the rapes. A victim of sexual assault would understand what other victims have gone through more than a detective who hasn't been through it.
If Elliot would have known what happened in the basement he never would have said that.
Olivia's mother was a rape victim. Elliot could have been referring to that.
QUOTE (Spalove @ Nov 19 2009, 06:34 AM)
If Elliot would have known what happened in the basement he never would have said that.
Olivia's mother was a rape victim. Elliot could have been referring to that.
Olivia's mother was a rape victim. Elliot could have been referring to that.
I agree that Olivia has never told Elliot what happened to her at Sealview. I don't believe she has actually told Cragen either (demonstrated by Fin's comments in "PTSD"). Elliot is a detective and has seen and heard everything in terms of sex crimes. He's not stupid, and neither is Cragen. I'm sure they both know that something happened in the basement while Olivia was at Sealview, but I don't believe they have ever heard it directly from Olivia.
When the IAB Lt. was questioning Liv, she knew that Cragen, and possibly Elliot, were observing from behind the glass. That's why she was so uncomfortable with the line of questioning and didn't come clean with the IAB Lt. about why she was seeing a therapist. It's obviously not something that would be in her jacket, so it's not something that IAB should officially even know about (not to mention a major HIPA violation). We all know Fin wouldn't have said anything to anyone about it, so I think Elliot and Cragen's knowledge about what happened to Liv is simply an assumption based on their years of experience.
QUOTE (SVUlovesME @ Nov 19 2009, 01:08 AM)
Elliot does NOT know about Olivia's ordeal from Sealview. I think it was Neal Baer who said he knows but I have seen no indication of it at all on the show. Elliot wasn't around when Tucker questioned Olivia about it, he tried to use it on Olivia which she knew was BS because she said "you're lying".
I was disappointed that there was no mention of Cragen being suspended- he was back to work as if nothing had happened at all and Munch wasn't in charge.
However I am glad to see the detectives working together, Elliot, Fin, and Munch taking a part of solving the murder case and trying to save Olivia's career.
Although it was nice to see Elliot taking care of Olivia, I thought it was a bit too much for Elliot to use his house to set Olivia's bail. I have to go with hisgirl on this one because it did not sound right, especially with Kathy not knowing about it. I'm sure Kathy would have approved perhaps, they (Olivia and Kathy) have been getting along more closely since their car accident and I'm sure Kathy would want to pay Olivia back somehow of helping her get through Eli's birth. If Elliot had said "yeah Kathy said it was fine" then this little section of my review would not exist!
Wow...Elizabeth was mentioned! Guess she wasn't forgotten after all as it appeared from Turmoil when her twin brother was in trouble.
Of course I love how Elliot called Kathy "Kath" and "Babe". He hasn't called Kathy "Kath" in a while, I think Countdown in season 2? He has called Kathy "Babe/Baby" quite a few times, last was Wildlife, Paternity, and again Countdown. That just brightens up my EK smile.
No preview for Anchor, that sucks. Guess gotta watch next week's for the last 5 minutes to see it.
Oh, Olivia has a car? the 65 mustang? Huh? Didn't she have a car in Paternity? It could have been a police-issued car but I actually thought it was her car.
I was disappointed that there was no mention of Cragen being suspended- he was back to work as if nothing had happened at all and Munch wasn't in charge.
However I am glad to see the detectives working together, Elliot, Fin, and Munch taking a part of solving the murder case and trying to save Olivia's career.
Although it was nice to see Elliot taking care of Olivia, I thought it was a bit too much for Elliot to use his house to set Olivia's bail. I have to go with hisgirl on this one because it did not sound right, especially with Kathy not knowing about it. I'm sure Kathy would have approved perhaps, they (Olivia and Kathy) have been getting along more closely since their car accident and I'm sure Kathy would want to pay Olivia back somehow of helping her get through Eli's birth. If Elliot had said "yeah Kathy said it was fine" then this little section of my review would not exist!
Wow...Elizabeth was mentioned! Guess she wasn't forgotten after all as it appeared from Turmoil when her twin brother was in trouble.
Of course I love how Elliot called Kathy "Kath" and "Babe". He hasn't called Kathy "Kath" in a while, I think Countdown in season 2? He has called Kathy "Babe/Baby" quite a few times, last was Wildlife, Paternity, and again Countdown. That just brightens up my EK smile.
No preview for Anchor, that sucks. Guess gotta watch next week's for the last 5 minutes to see it.
Oh, Olivia has a car? the 65 mustang? Huh? Didn't she have a car in Paternity? It could have been a police-issued car but I actually thought it was her car.
I didn't see it as too much at all. This is the lengths EO go through for one another, so it made sense that El would do that. El was not going to have Liv sitting in a cell or imprisoned like a perp. That was totally in EO character.
ANDREA
QUOTE (Spalove @ Nov 19 2009, 01:07 AM)
best line ever: Let's get you into bed
Hehehe now we're talking!! I loved that! Im like, did he REALLY just say that? Did i REALLY just hear that? Did i REALLY just see that?
Since us Eo shippers are wearing EO shipper colored glasses, im assuming i DID! =)
thanks for whoever made that comment. I think i will wear my EO colored glasses now and forever
The thing I liked best about this episode was the intensity of it. Olivia being set up was very well done in my opinion and the reaction of the people around her was totally in character. But you know what else struck me about this ep? (Besides the eye candy?) The snarkiness. There were so many great one-liners in this one! Some of my faves.
"I thought squirrels liked nuts."
"Stop with the sweet talk."
"Did anyone ever point out to you the grammatical error in your logo? The apostrophe is extraneous."
"There's no need to insult Bessie."
"It's all fun and games until someone loses a penis."
"Either I'm getting older or the doors are getting stronger."
"Don't be paranoid. It's not about this case . . . it's about how contagious you look."
"That skel client would be you."
So funny. I thought the writers totally nailed the balance between intense drama and great dialogue. Loved it!
"I thought squirrels liked nuts."
"Stop with the sweet talk."
"Did anyone ever point out to you the grammatical error in your logo? The apostrophe is extraneous."
"There's no need to insult Bessie."
"It's all fun and games until someone loses a penis."
"Either I'm getting older or the doors are getting stronger."
"Don't be paranoid. It's not about this case . . . it's about how contagious you look."
"That skel client would be you."
So funny. I thought the writers totally nailed the balance between intense drama and great dialogue. Loved it!
QUOTE (Hisgirlforevermore @ Nov 18 2009, 11:32 PM)
DeliviaIStheWAYitSHOULDbe Posted Today, 11:22 PM
Yeah, but we only got 42 minutes to tell the story (hell, I think we may be down to 38), so we have to suspend disbelief when it comes to things of that nature.
It wouldn't have taken any more time to have done it right than to have done it wrong.
This is a case of the writers not doing their research, which is now a big problem with SVU. They didn't used to make that sort of mistake but now they do it all the time. There is no excuse for that level of competence, especially when Nail Baer says they have people advising them on how to do things correctly.
Yeah, but we only got 42 minutes to tell the story (hell, I think we may be down to 38), so we have to suspend disbelief when it comes to things of that nature.
It wouldn't have taken any more time to have done it right than to have done it wrong.
This is a case of the writers not doing their research, which is now a big problem with SVU. They didn't used to make that sort of mistake but now they do it all the time. There is no excuse for that level of competence, especially when Nail Baer says they have people advising them on how to do things correctly.
But the bigger picture some of you are missing is that El put up his house to make Liv's bail. That was the point! What they did last night is called expediency, and it has nothing to do with the plot. It is just something to get us from point A to B. They zoomed right over that part because it was so small and not important to anything.
But again, the bigger picture is that El put up his house for Liv. Cool Beans!
ANDREA
I enjoyed seeing Olivia as a human being rather than a broken woman trying to make up for something she had no control over. I have seen Elliot sick on many occasions but, correct me if I am wrong, this is the first for Olivia. I also liked the scene with Elliot acting like her best friend and checking in on her, backing her every step of the way like she has done for him on many occasions. Elliot not telling Kathy about the bail money and where he got it was a bad move on his part. Is he trying to get kicked out again? That's just not something you should keep from your wife. If and when Kathy finds out, she is going to kill him. She should have been consulted and been a part of the decision to get a second mortgage on the house. I just do not understand Elliot sometimes. I adored the scene with Peter and Mariska. They have never had a great scene together and that was a great scene.
I do have to admit that even though this episode dealt with Olivia's ordeal, it is the best episode I have seen all season. I have a feeling, however, that the writers were trying to give her something she could be nominated for. LOL!
HGFM, there is a reason why a lot of doctors/nurses/EMTs, etc do not watch doctor shows like 'Grey's Anatomy' or 'ER.' You have a judicial background and if you continue to look for faults, you will never truly enjoy or appreciate the show. I cannot remember the last time you posted something positive about the show and to be honest, the negativity kind of brings down the fans that don't look for the bad. It's easier to take what this show is meant to give, entertainment. If you no longer find this show entertaining then, IMO, I would move on to something else.
LOL! I knew shipper fans were going to pioint this out. The minute he said it I clapped and said, "That's going to be all over the shipper thread." LOL!
I do have to admit that even though this episode dealt with Olivia's ordeal, it is the best episode I have seen all season. I have a feeling, however, that the writers were trying to give her something she could be nominated for. LOL!
HGFM, there is a reason why a lot of doctors/nurses/EMTs, etc do not watch doctor shows like 'Grey's Anatomy' or 'ER.' You have a judicial background and if you continue to look for faults, you will never truly enjoy or appreciate the show. I cannot remember the last time you posted something positive about the show and to be honest, the negativity kind of brings down the fans that don't look for the bad. It's easier to take what this show is meant to give, entertainment. If you no longer find this show entertaining then, IMO, I would move on to something else.
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(Spalove @ Nov 19 2009, 01:07 AM)
best line ever: Let's get you into bed
best line ever: Let's get you into bed
LOL! I knew shipper fans were going to pioint this out. The minute he said it I clapped and said, "That's going to be all over the shipper thread." LOL!
QUOTE (DeliviaIStheWAYitSHOULDbe @ Nov 19 2009, 10:04 AM)
I didn't see it as too much at all. This is the lengths EO go through for one another, so it made sense that El would do that. El was not going to have Liv sitting in a cell or imprisoned like a perp. That was totally in EO character.
Would you have put your house on mortage without telling your hubby to put bail up for a close friend/co-worker?
QUOTE (Mary82 @ Nov 19 2009, 01:52 PM)
I enjoyed seeing Olivia as a human being rather than a broken woman trying to make up for something she had no control over. I have seen Elliot sick on many occasions but, correct me if I am wrong, this is the first for Olivia. I also liked the scene with Elliot acting like her best friend and checking in on her, backing her every step of the way like she has done for him on many occasions. Elliot not telling Kathy about the bail money and where he got it was a bad move on his part. Is he trying to get kicked out again? That's just not something you should keep from your wife. If and when Kathy finds out, she is going to kill him. She should have been consulted and been a part of the decision to get a second mortgage on the house. I just do not understand Elliot sometimes. I adored the scene with Peter and Mariska. They have never had a great scene together and that was a great scene.
I didn't hear about the second mortgage, just plain mortgage like it was the first time he did so.
Unfortunately I already deleted the episode from the DVR so would have to rerecord it when it comes back up again.
QUOTE (SVUlovesME @ Nov 19 2009, 02:06 PM)
I didn't hear about the second mortgage, just plain mortgage like it was the first time he did so.
Unfortunately I already deleted the episode from the DVR so would have to rerecord it when it comes back up again.
Unfortunately I already deleted the episode from the DVR so would have to rerecord it when it comes back up again.
Wouldn't the first morgage be when they moved into the house? I was just going on a theory but whether or not it was the tenth, he still should have told her. That's just not something you keep from your wife...
I don't really see the big deal about that. Like El said I he knew he wouldn't loose his money, and I'm sure Kathy would have been ok with it anyway. Besides El didn't want her to stay in jail, so there really wasn't much time to discuss it with her. I know my husband would have gone ahead and done it and then would tell me about it later, because it has already happened to us when his sister went to jail.
Was Mariska really sick? She sure sounded like it.
ANDREA
ANDREA
QUOTE (kaysee @ Nov 19 2009, 03:43 PM)
I don't really see the big deal about that. Like El said I he knew he wouldn't loose his money, and I'm sure Kathy would have been ok with it anyway.
That's beside the point. You don't make a decision like that without consulting your spouse first. Even if there was a chance Kathy wouldn't mind, that's still something they should have talked about 1st, regardless if his money was at risk or not.
All it took was a simple call. He could have done it on his way over there.
QUOTE (DeliviaIStheWAYitSHOULDbe @ Nov 19 2009, 03:45 PM)
Was Mariska really sick? She sure sounded like it.
ANDREA
ANDREA
Nancy said she was just acting
QUOTE (mmjohn @ Nov 19 2009, 09:10 PM)
It's alright Jess, HGFM is so misserable and unhappy and negative. I don't know why/how some people can keep watching the show if they're no longer enjoying it. Watch your health people, too much negativity could give you a heart attack. Oh! and when you're misserable?, eveything around you turns gray. Not good!!!
Enough with the character assasination people. You may not agree with the posts HGFM puts up but you can always block them. If you want to make this dicussion personal then take it to pm. I'm not trying to be mean but the last thing I want to see on this board is another fight...Not cool.
QUOTE (mmjohn @ Nov 19 2009, 09:10 PM)
It's alright Jess, HGFM is so misserable and unhappy and negative. I don't know why/how some people can keep watching the show if they're no longer enjoying it. Watch your health people, too much negativity could give you a heart attack. Oh! and when you're misserable?, eveything around you turns gray. Not good!!!
Hisgirl is very much entitled to dislike a character. Believe it or not, it does happen, even to a character who's mostly beloved. All hisgirl is doing is stating her own opinion, her own feelings. As Mary said, if you don't like her posts, then put her on ignore. I happen to enjoy her posts, whether I agree or disagree, hisgirl does make good valid points and she works in the law office so her education there is helpful.
QUOTE (SVUlovesME @ Nov 19 2009, 11:56 PM)
Hisgirl is very much entitled to dislike a character. Believe it or not, it does happen, even to a character who's mostly beloved. All hisgirl is doing is stating her own opinion, her own feelings. As Mary said, if you don't like her posts, then put her on ignore. I happen to enjoy her posts, whether I agree or disagree, hisgirl does make good valid points and she works in the law office so her education there is helpful.
I don't get it, my husband is a lawyer and I don't think he'll agree to that. I am sorry if I upset anybody, you're right I should have ignore her comments. It's just too many to count......I should have not reacted the way I did. I won't be in this board from now on, the last thing I want is to fight with anybody.
HisGirl, I'm sorry for what I said, I didn't mean to attact you and should have not said that. Please forgive me. I won't be in this board anymore, so you won't hear from me at all.
I loved this episode. One of my favorite things about this episode is that despite DNA blood evidence, Elliot never for a split second doubted her innocence, ever. There is no doubt of his love for his friend (not in love, love) to me that was evident in how he placed hand on her forehead, it was sweet and loving. If it was just a partner thing it would have been inappropriate.
I loved Tucker, but did he really think Olivia would believe Elliot told him anything??? Even I was like “what, are you stupid?” I think Elliot knows about Sealview, without knowing the details. I am sure he knows Harris did not take her down to the basement for a heart-to-heart, and she came out with a nasty bruise. But he doesn’t know the details (I don’t think Fin would say the little he saw if Liv asked him not to) I honestly believe he doesn’t want to know and would prefer to think she escaped before any real harm was done. I think Tuckers reference to it was not because of what was in her file, but rather part reasonable deduction, part lucky guess.
I love how everyone stood up for her; Fin also had no doubt, Munch and Cragen trying to stop her from talking nd Elliot banging on that window was the best.
Who the hell paid Langdan’s retainer? Concerned friends? Did they all do a chip in???
As for Elliot putting his house up, that was a true act of friendship. I personally do not think Kathy would have agreed to it which is why he didn’t tell her. Even though I think Kathy made her peace with Olivia a long time ago, he still would be taking this risk for another woman. It is not an Elliot, Olivia or Kathy thing; it is just a fact of life, Even if she did eventually agree to it, it had to effect her that her husband would risk his family’s financial future for another woman without a single hesitation, I think that would effect any woman, and Kathy is only human. It is possible (although unlikely) for some reason the house is only in his name, it is not as uncommon as you think, my ex husband had a house with his first wife and her name was never on anything. Anyting. I was not as stupid. = ). But I believe it was for EO viewers, because she just could have put her own apt up and it would probably be worth more then his house. (Welcome to New York) The only was she is still a renter is if she lived there before the building went condo and she would have to be living there for a long, long time for that. I loved the second to last scene, I never saw guiding Light, but I thought the actor was good. Olivia’s doorman, worst one ever!
By the way, 203 West 89th street is actually a parking garage between 201 and 205 West 89th. It is between Broadway and Amsterdam and all those buildings on that block are very upscale, doorman condo buildings. I am not stalking a fictional character, a few months ago I was going to the Museum of Natural History and made a point of making the route for the train to the museum through 89th street, which is in walking distance to the museum. I’m not crazy!!!
The road ahead looks dry.
I loved Tucker, but did he really think Olivia would believe Elliot told him anything??? Even I was like “what, are you stupid?” I think Elliot knows about Sealview, without knowing the details. I am sure he knows Harris did not take her down to the basement for a heart-to-heart, and she came out with a nasty bruise. But he doesn’t know the details (I don’t think Fin would say the little he saw if Liv asked him not to) I honestly believe he doesn’t want to know and would prefer to think she escaped before any real harm was done. I think Tuckers reference to it was not because of what was in her file, but rather part reasonable deduction, part lucky guess.
I love how everyone stood up for her; Fin also had no doubt, Munch and Cragen trying to stop her from talking nd Elliot banging on that window was the best.
Who the hell paid Langdan’s retainer? Concerned friends? Did they all do a chip in???
As for Elliot putting his house up, that was a true act of friendship. I personally do not think Kathy would have agreed to it which is why he didn’t tell her. Even though I think Kathy made her peace with Olivia a long time ago, he still would be taking this risk for another woman. It is not an Elliot, Olivia or Kathy thing; it is just a fact of life, Even if she did eventually agree to it, it had to effect her that her husband would risk his family’s financial future for another woman without a single hesitation, I think that would effect any woman, and Kathy is only human. It is possible (although unlikely) for some reason the house is only in his name, it is not as uncommon as you think, my ex husband had a house with his first wife and her name was never on anything. Anyting. I was not as stupid. = ). But I believe it was for EO viewers, because she just could have put her own apt up and it would probably be worth more then his house. (Welcome to New York) The only was she is still a renter is if she lived there before the building went condo and she would have to be living there for a long, long time for that. I loved the second to last scene, I never saw guiding Light, but I thought the actor was good. Olivia’s doorman, worst one ever!
By the way, 203 West 89th street is actually a parking garage between 201 and 205 West 89th. It is between Broadway and Amsterdam and all those buildings on that block are very upscale, doorman condo buildings. I am not stalking a fictional character, a few months ago I was going to the Museum of Natural History and made a point of making the route for the train to the museum through 89th street, which is in walking distance to the museum. I’m not crazy!!!
The road ahead looks dry.
QUOTE (mmjohn @ Nov 20 2009, 07:45 AM)
I don't get it, my husband is a lawyer and I don't think he'll agree to that. I am sorry if I upset anybody, you're right I should have ignore her comments. It's just too many to count......I should have not reacted the way I did. I won't be in this board from now on, the last thing I want is to fight with anybody.
HisGirl, I'm sorry for what I said, I didn't mean to attact you and should have not said that. Please forgive me. I won't be in this board anymore, so you won't hear from me at all.
HisGirl, I'm sorry for what I said, I didn't mean to attact you and should have not said that. Please forgive me. I won't be in this board anymore, so you won't hear from me at all.
Aw, mmjohn, don't go. It's blown over. We can all discuss the show and no one is mad. Us newbies need to stick together!
QUOTE (kaysee @ Nov 19 2009, 03:43 PM)
I don't really see the big deal about that. Like El said I he knew he wouldn't loose his money, and I'm sure Kathy would have been ok with it anyway. Besides El didn't want her to stay in jail, so there really wasn't much time to discuss it with her. I know my husband would have gone ahead and done it and then would tell me about it later, because it has already happened to us when his sister went to jail.
It's a huge deal because you don't put up your house w/o speaking with your spouse (lol). However, Kathy understands the dynamics between EO, so I don't believe she would have been too broken up about what El did. Time was of the essence because El was not going to leave Liv imprisoned. I admired the hell out of him for what he did.
Kathy has her issues about Liv, but she does not have issues with Liv. Liv can be trusted with El. What El did will solidify what Kathy already knows, but again, Liv can be trusted.
Besides, the entire Stabler family feels the dynamics between EO (that was so evident in Turmoil), but Liv has been there for all of them, so there is no need to make trouble where there isn't any because Liv has been a champion of that family for a very long time. Hell, she puts more effort in than El does some of the time.
ANDREA
Okay, I had a thought after I re-watched the episode. Since they seemed to slam home the fact through the whole ep that Olivia has no one to look in on her, take care of her, that she is single with no family "whatsoever" do you think they are foreshadowing a romance coming up for her? And, if they are, do you think she would look at Trevor Langan differently since he helped her? It would be mighty convenient for her to have a romance on the show with her acting partner being MH's real-life husband. They are very pretty together, and it would present some interesting dilemmas with their jobs.
Just thinking out loud, though. Please don't hurt me. Haha
Just thinking out loud, though. Please don't hurt me. Haha
QUOTE (JMorgan @ Nov 20 2009, 12:07 PM)
Okay, I had a thought after I re-watched the episode. Since they seemed to slam home the fact through the whole ep that Olivia has no one to look in on her, take care of her, that she is single with no family "whatsoever" do you think they are foreshadowing a romance coming up for her? And, if they are, do you think she would look at Trevor Langan differently since he helped her? It would be mighty convenient for her to have a romance on the show with her acting partner being MH's real-life husband. They are very pretty together, and it would present some interesting dilemmas with their jobs.
Just thinking out loud, though. Please don't hurt me. Haha
Just thinking out loud, though. Please don't hurt me. Haha
Why do you hate me so much? You know there is only one person that fits, yet you continue to torture me.
Besides, TPTB would never put the real lifer as her onscreen lover. Shows generally don't like to do that because it destroys the fantasy that onscreen lovers are supposed to create.
ANDREA
QUOTE (DeliviaIStheWAYitSHOULDbe @ Nov 20 2009, 12:14 PM)
Why do you hate me so much? You know there is only one person that fits, yet you continue to torture me.
Besides, TPTB would never put the real lifer as her onscreen lover. Shows generally don't like to do that because it destroys the fantasy that onscreen lovers are supposed to create.
ANDREA
Besides, TPTB would never put the real lifer as her onscreen lover. Shows generally don't like to do that because it destroys the fantasy that onscreen lovers are supposed to create.
ANDREA
Andrea, you know I only torture those I care about most.
And besides, Dean is gone again. Olivia needs something to do in the meantime. Like getting out more and driving her Mustang. But can you really say TPTB will "never" with this show? I mean, who expected to ever have Elliot facing down a TIGER? Haha. Never mind the monkey in the basketball. Or that Elliot would kiss Dani Beck. *gets brain bleach out again* (Sorry if anyone liked Dani and Elliot together.) I think it might be kind of cute to have Trevor and Olivia. I mean, what if she catches a case and he's defending the guy? Could be interesting in its moral dilemma. However, there is no cutesy name for them. Trelivia? OliVor? You're right. It might not ever work. But it could be interesting if it did.
QUOTE (JMorgan @ Nov 20 2009, 12:07 PM)
Okay, I had a thought after I re-watched the episode. Since they seemed to slam home the fact through the whole ep that Olivia has no one to look in on her, take care of her, that she is single with no family "whatsoever" do you think they are foreshadowing a romance coming up for her? And, if they are, do you think she would look at Trevor Langan differently since he helped her? It would be mighty convenient for her to have a romance on the show with her acting partner being MH's real-life husband. They are very pretty together, and it would present some interesting dilemmas with their jobs.
Just thinking out loud, though. Please don't hurt me. Haha
Just thinking out loud, though. Please don't hurt me. Haha
Interesting idea. If they are indeed trying to foreshadow a romance for Olivia, pardon my shippiness, but wouldn't it be with Elliot? Yeah, for now, he's still married. However, considering the lengths these two will go for each other, once Kathy finds out about the mortgage and realizes how seemingly easy it was for him to make such a big sacrifice for Olivia, on top of their already close bond, and considering how ... trigger-happy (for lack of a better description) she can be to leave him (i.e. Wildlife), it wouldn't be too unexpected for her to ask him for a divorce again. Just my thoughts. I'm not trying to force or in any way coerce or even proselytize about EO.
I don't have any objections about Langan, though. She'd face some moral predicaments, like you said, sure. Sleeping with the "enemy" poses its problems. But even Cabot had dated him, and she's the friggin' prosecutor.
Lanson or Trevia, anyone?
QUOTE (DeliviaIStheWAYitSHOULDbe @ Nov 20 2009, 01:14 PM)
Why do you hate me so much? You know there is only one person that fits, yet you continue to torture me.
Besides, TPTB would never put the real lifer as her onscreen lover. Shows generally don't like to do that because it destroys the fantasy that onscreen lovers are supposed to create.
ANDREA
Besides, TPTB would never put the real lifer as her onscreen lover. Shows generally don't like to do that because it destroys the fantasy that onscreen lovers are supposed to create.
ANDREA
Patience my friend, Patience....our day will come
QUOTE (sviewer @ Nov 20 2009, 01:28 PM)
Interesting idea. If they are indeed trying to foreshadow a romance for Olivia, pardon my shippiness, but wouldn't it be with Elliot? Yeah, for now, he's still married. However, considering the lengths these two will go for each other, once Kathy finds out about the mortgage and realizes how seemingly easy it was for him to make such a big sacrifice for Olivia, on top of their already close bond, and considering how ... trigger-happy (for lack of a better description) she can be to leave him (i.e. Wildlife), it wouldn't be too unexpected for her to ask him for a divorce again. Just my thoughts. I'm not trying to force or in any way coerce or even proselytize about EO.
I don't have any objections about Langan, though. She'd face some moral predicaments, like you said, sure. Sleeping with the "enemy" poses its problems. But even Cabot had dated him, and she's the friggin' prosecutor.
Lanson or Trevia, anyone?
I don't have any objections about Langan, though. She'd face some moral predicaments, like you said, sure. Sleeping with the "enemy" poses its problems. But even Cabot had dated him, and she's the friggin' prosecutor.
Lanson or Trevia, anyone?
"Proselytize about EO," made me smile. And I like Lanson, too!
You see, I have a dilemma with my feelings about EO. I'm on the fence about them. I love their partnership. I see deep caring and protectiveness to them which can be interpreted many different ways. The show has said they are emotionally dependent on each other, Olivia has said they're best friends, Elliot shows (in my opinion) that there is a blurred line for him where Olivia is concerned, but just what she is to him exactly, is where all the spec comes in. And there are times that he doesn't exactly seem invested in his marriage. For me, it's tough because I think a romance between E/O could ruin their partnership. I highly doubt they would be able to work together anymore and they are an essential part of SVU for me. But a part of me loves the protectiveness they have and I was feeling a little swayed toward the E/O side with the cradle in Spooked. I'm sorry, but there's no way that if that was Fin, Elliot would have run over, held Fin's hand, clutched his head to his chest, checked for wounds and rested his face on Fin's forehead. Partners have a bond, but that seemed a little over the line of partner/friends for me. (Again, I think if this is the way Elliot treats his friends, I totally want to be his friend.) So, I'm torn. Love the partnership, caring, and protectiveness, and I really don't want to see that ruined, but if they can do it in a way that doesn't destroy characters, then I might be able to get behind that. It's a fine line. So, while I'm waiting for the show to decide what they're doing, if anything, with E/O, I'm thinking Trevor could be a viable alternative. Olivia needs some lovin'.
QUOTE (JMorgan @ Nov 20 2009, 01:47 PM)
"Proselytize about EO," made me smile. And I like Lanson, too!
You see, I have a dilemma with my feelings about EO. I'm on the fence about them. I love their partnership. I see deep caring and protectiveness to them which can be interpreted many different ways. The show has said they are emotionally dependent on each other, Olivia has said they're best friends, Elliot shows (in my opinion) that there is a blurred line for him where Olivia is concerned, but just what she is to him exactly, is where all the spec comes in. And there are times that he doesn't exactly seem invested in his marriage. For me, it's tough because I think a romance between E/O could ruin their partnership. I highly doubt they would be able to work together anymore and they are an essential part of SVU for me. But a part of me loves the protectiveness they have and I was feeling a little swayed toward the E/O side with the cradle in Spooked. I'm sorry, but there's no way that if that was Fin, Elliot would have run over, held Fin's hand, clutched his head to his chest, checked for wounds and rested his face on Fin's forehead. Partners have a bond, but that seemed a little over the line of partner/friends for me. (Again, I think if this is the way Elliot treats his friends, I totally want to be his friend.) So, I'm torn. Love the partnership, caring, and protectiveness, and I really don't want to see that ruined, but if they can do it in a way that doesn't destroy characters, then I might be able to get behind that. It's a fine line. So, while I'm waiting for the show to decide what they're doing, if anything, with E/O, I'm thinking Trevor could be a viable alternative. Olivia needs some lovin'.
You see, I have a dilemma with my feelings about EO. I'm on the fence about them. I love their partnership. I see deep caring and protectiveness to them which can be interpreted many different ways. The show has said they are emotionally dependent on each other, Olivia has said they're best friends, Elliot shows (in my opinion) that there is a blurred line for him where Olivia is concerned, but just what she is to him exactly, is where all the spec comes in. And there are times that he doesn't exactly seem invested in his marriage. For me, it's tough because I think a romance between E/O could ruin their partnership. I highly doubt they would be able to work together anymore and they are an essential part of SVU for me. But a part of me loves the protectiveness they have and I was feeling a little swayed toward the E/O side with the cradle in Spooked. I'm sorry, but there's no way that if that was Fin, Elliot would have run over, held Fin's hand, clutched his head to his chest, checked for wounds and rested his face on Fin's forehead. Partners have a bond, but that seemed a little over the line of partner/friends for me. (Again, I think if this is the way Elliot treats his friends, I totally want to be his friend.) So, I'm torn. Love the partnership, caring, and protectiveness, and I really don't want to see that ruined, but if they can do it in a way that doesn't destroy characters, then I might be able to get behind that. It's a fine line. So, while I'm waiting for the show to decide what they're doing, if anything, with E/O, I'm thinking Trevor could be a viable alternative. Olivia needs some lovin'.
Well, I completely understand why you're conflicted with Ellivia. I agree it's a fine line. But, as for waiting, well... let's just say I'm not. I'm not holding my breath for TPTB to decide which way they want to go. This is still Law & Order, and Dick Wolf has an ego about as big as his franchise, including all syndication. I doubt he'll let the show plan for an ending anytime soon, especially with the mothership running on its 20th season. The actors, however, would want to leave and it would be great if they could at least plan something for that. Getting them together would be great, especially if MH and CM leave at the same time... but I'm way off topic already...
I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say anymore...So, I'll just say yes to Trevor as alternative, and Olivia needing some company.
I actually think that this episode is a perfect example of why Elliot and Olivia should never get together Okay EOer's you know I love you guys so hear (read) me out...
This episode does illistrate she doesn't have any family or at least anyone outside of her work family, so lets say they get together and it doesn't work out, and it could not work out, Elliot has a lot of baggage and the job is a big obsticle' and that is before the usual relationship turmoils come into play...so lets say they don't work out, where does that leave Olivia?? Not only would she have lost her lover and her partner, but her best friend and her family. Why would she risk that??? Why would she risk the love and friendship that was so obvious during this episode. For sex? What else is there left to get from him? She has his trust, love, friendship, companionship, and in a unique way, his money. (lol) They protect each other, worry about each other, take care of each other, depend on each other, and always defend each other. Seriously what more can you want?
Know what I want?? DELIVIA, that's what I want AND I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
This episode does illistrate she doesn't have any family or at least anyone outside of her work family, so lets say they get together and it doesn't work out, and it could not work out, Elliot has a lot of baggage and the job is a big obsticle' and that is before the usual relationship turmoils come into play...so lets say they don't work out, where does that leave Olivia?? Not only would she have lost her lover and her partner, but her best friend and her family. Why would she risk that??? Why would she risk the love and friendship that was so obvious during this episode. For sex? What else is there left to get from him? She has his trust, love, friendship, companionship, and in a unique way, his money. (lol) They protect each other, worry about each other, take care of each other, depend on each other, and always defend each other. Seriously what more can you want?
Know what I want?? DELIVIA, that's what I want AND I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTE (sviewer @ Nov 20 2009, 02:08 PM)
Well, I completely understand why you're conflicted with Ellivia. I agree it's a fine line. But, as for waiting, well... let's just say I'm not. I'm not holding my breath for TPTB to decide which way they want to go. This is still Law & Order, and Dick Wolf has an ego about as big as his franchise, including all syndication. I doubt he'll let the show plan for an ending anytime soon, especially with the mothership running on its 20th season. The actors, however, would want to leave and it would be great if they could at least plan something for that. Getting them together would be great, especially if MH and CM leave at the same time... but I'm way off topic already... I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say anymore...
So, I'll just say yes to Trevor as alternative, and Olivia needing some company.
I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say anymore...So, I'll just say yes to Trevor as alternative, and Olivia needing some company.
There is already a tall dark and very handsome delicious man waiting to keep Liv company. She just has to stop making excuses and let him!
ANDREA
QUOTE (QueenOlivia @ Nov 20 2009, 02:25 PM)
I actually think that this episode is a perfect example of why Elliot and Olivia should never get together Okay EOer's you know I love you guys so hear (read) me out...
This episode does illistrate she doesn't have any family or at least anyone outside of her work family, so lets say they get together and it doesn't work out, and it could not work out, Elliot has a lot of baggage and the job is a big obsticle' and that is before the usual relationship turmoils come into play...so lets say they don't work out, where does that leave Olivia?? Not only would she have lost her lover and her partner, but her best friend and her family. Why would she risk that??? Why would she risk the love and friendship that was so obvious during this episode. For sex? What else is there left to get from him? She has his trust, love, friendship, companionship, and in a unique way, his money. (lol) They protect each other, worry about each other, take care of each other, depend on each other, and always defend each other. Seriously what more can you want?
Know what I want?? DELIVIA, that's what I want AND I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
This episode does illistrate she doesn't have any family or at least anyone outside of her work family, so lets say they get together and it doesn't work out, and it could not work out, Elliot has a lot of baggage and the job is a big obsticle' and that is before the usual relationship turmoils come into play...so lets say they don't work out, where does that leave Olivia?? Not only would she have lost her lover and her partner, but her best friend and her family. Why would she risk that??? Why would she risk the love and friendship that was so obvious during this episode. For sex? What else is there left to get from him? She has his trust, love, friendship, companionship, and in a unique way, his money. (lol) They protect each other, worry about each other, take care of each other, depend on each other, and always defend each other. Seriously what more can you want?
Know what I want?? DELIVIA, that's what I want AND I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I loved that part of your reply on what Olivia already has from Elliot. So freaking true! However, let's say your scenario plays out and she crosses the line with Elliot, they become lovers (can I request several shirtless Elliot scenes if that ever comes to air? Pretty please?) and then she loses him. She would definitely need a shoulder to cry on. A tall, dark, and handsome shoulder. Just a little sumthin' sumthin' to think about.
(And yes, I know I'm shallow. Haha)
QUOTE (DeliviaIStheWAYitSHOULDbe @ Nov 20 2009, 02:48 PM)
There is already a tall dark and very handsome delicious man waiting to keep Liv company. She just has to stop making excuses and let him!
ANDREA
ANDREA
Well, technically he's not waiting to keep her company, since his job came first and he left on sort of a sad note. But interestingly enough, Olivia's job generally comes first as well, so they would have a lot to talk about if they ever see each other again. Common ground, as they say.
QUOTE (JMorgan @ Nov 20 2009, 03:04 PM)
I loved that part of your reply on what Olivia already has from Elliot. So freaking true! However, let's say your scenario plays out and she crosses the line with Elliot, they become lovers (can I request several shirtless Elliot scenes if that ever comes to air? Pretty please?) and then she loses him. She would definitely need a shoulder to cry on. A tall, dark, and handsome shoulder. Just a little sumthin' sumthin' to think about. (And yes, I know I'm shallow. Haha)
(And yes, I know I'm shallow. Haha)A tall, dark, and handsome shoulder would be Dean Porter.
I wouldn't be surprised if Mariska and Peter rehearsed their scenes at home. Heck, maybe even bring it to their role playing in a certain room
QUOTE (SVUlovesME @ Nov 20 2009, 03:56 PM)
A tall, dark, and handsome shoulder would be Dean Porter.
I wouldn't be surprised if Mariska and Peter rehearsed their scenes at home. Heck, maybe even bring it to their role playing in a certain room
I wouldn't be surprised if Mariska and Peter rehearsed their scenes at home. Heck, maybe even bring it to their role playing in a certain room
You know it would be Dean. LOL The man's not hard to look at.
QUOTE (DeliviaIStheWAYitSHOULDbe @ Nov 20 2009, 12:14 PM)
Why do you hate me so much? You know there is only one person that fits, yet you continue to torture me.
Besides, TPTB would never put the real lifer as her onscreen lover. Shows generally don't like to do that because it destroys the fantasy that onscreen lovers are supposed to create.
ANDREA
Besides, TPTB would never put the real lifer as her onscreen lover. Shows generally don't like to do that because it destroys the fantasy that onscreen lovers are supposed to create.
ANDREA
If Dean comes back in to the picture, he has a lot of kissing butt and making up to do in order for Olivia to trust him and vice versa. They both kind of played the deciver in whatever type of relationship they had: friendship, co-workers, daters??? I 'm not too sure that's even a word but...whatever. I really like Dean and I was really looking forward to seeing Liv be happy with him but the writers kind of screwed that one up...not sure it can be mended.
QUOTE (sviewer @ Nov 20 2009, 01:28 PM)
Interesting idea. If they are indeed trying to foreshadow a romance for Olivia, pardon my shippiness, but wouldn't it be with Elliot? Yeah, for now, he's still married. However, considering the lengths these two will go for each other, once Kathy finds out about the mortgage and realizes how seemingly easy it was for him to make such a big sacrifice for Olivia, on top of their already close bond, and considering how ... trigger-happy (for lack of a better description) she can be to leave him (i.e. Wildlife), it wouldn't be too unexpected for her to ask him for a divorce again. Just my thoughts. I'm not trying to force or in any way coerce or even proselytize about EO.
I don't have any objections about Langan, though. She'd face some moral predicaments, like you said, sure. Sleeping with the "enemy" poses its problems. But even Cabot had dated him, and she's the friggin' prosecutor.
Lanson or Trevia, anyone?
I don't have any objections about Langan, though. She'd face some moral predicaments, like you said, sure. Sleeping with the "enemy" poses its problems. But even Cabot had dated him, and she's the friggin' prosecutor.
Lanson or Trevia, anyone?
That is one ship I detest big-time!
Most people want to see them together on the show because they are married in real life
But a defense attorney and a detective = a big no-no
That would never work out.
QUOTE (Mary82 @ Nov 20 2009, 04:52 PM)
If Dean comes back in to the picture, he has a lot of kissing butt and making up to do in order for Olivia to trust him and vice versa. They both kind of played the deciver in whatever type of relationship they had: friendship, co-workers, daters??? I 'm not too sure that's even a word but...whatever. I really like Dean and I was really looking forward to seeing Liv be happy with him but the writers kind of screwed that one up...not sure it can be mended.
Dean has a lot of "kissing butt" to do? *mind in gutter*
HAHA
I agree with you though. There's definitely got to be some mending of fences there if they ever wanted to do D/O.
QUOTE (QueenOlivia @ Nov 20 2009, 02:25 PM)
I actually think that this episode is a perfect example of why Elliot and Olivia should never get together Okay EOer's you know I love you guys so hear (read) me out...
This episode does illistrate she doesn't have any family or at least anyone outside of her work family, so lets say they get together and it doesn't work out, and it could not work out, Elliot has a lot of baggage and the job is a big obsticle' and that is before the usual relationship turmoils come into play...so lets say they don't work out, where does that leave Olivia?? Not only would she have lost her lover and her partner, but her best friend and her family. Why would she risk that??? Why would she risk the love and friendship that was so obvious during this episode. For sex? What else is there left to get from him? She has his trust, love, friendship, companionship, and in a unique way, his money. (lol) They protect each other, worry about each other, take care of each other, depend on each other, and always defend each other. Seriously what more can you want?
Know what I want?? DELIVIA, that's what I want AND I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
This episode does illistrate she doesn't have any family or at least anyone outside of her work family, so lets say they get together and it doesn't work out, and it could not work out, Elliot has a lot of baggage and the job is a big obsticle' and that is before the usual relationship turmoils come into play...so lets say they don't work out, where does that leave Olivia?? Not only would she have lost her lover and her partner, but her best friend and her family. Why would she risk that??? Why would she risk the love and friendship that was so obvious during this episode. For sex? What else is there left to get from him? She has his trust, love, friendship, companionship, and in a unique way, his money. (lol) They protect each other, worry about each other, take care of each other, depend on each other, and always defend each other. Seriously what more can you want?
Know what I want?? DELIVIA, that's what I want AND I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sometimes it's better to risk some things than to be left thinking what-if.
Since this is a show and the writers can do anything they want with the characters, we really wouldn't have to worry about them breaking up.
And if they were to get together, of course they wouldn't just risk it for sex, they would risk it because they would want to be together.
And all breakup's don't go sour.
But Like I stated before. Since this is just TV, we wouldn't have to worry about them breaking up. TPTB wouldn't go there just to screw everything up between them. That's a stupid move.
And frankly be the end of the show (IMO) the dynamic still wouldn't be the same, even if they parted on good terms.
QUOTE (Jessicarich @ Nov 20 2009, 05:15 PM)
That is one ship I detest big-time!
Most people want to see them together on the show because they are married in real life
But a defense attorney and a detective = a big no-no
That would never work out.
Most people want to see them together on the show because they are married in real life
But a defense attorney and a detective = a big no-no
That would never work out.
Well, how about Kathy leaves Elliot and starts dating Trevor. Now that would be interesting for reaction sake alone! Haha. Okay, I'll admit it. I like the eye candy in Langan. And I like how Trevor was with Olivia in Perverted. His line when he first saw her was funny when he said he always thought he'd see Elliot in there, not her. Oh, and the "You're the skel client." LOL He's funny, he's cute, what girl could resist?
QUOTE (QueenOlivia @ Nov 20 2009, 02:25 PM)
I actually think that this episode is a perfect example of why Elliot and Olivia should never get together Okay EOer's you know I love you guys so hear (read) me out...
This episode does illistrate she doesn't have any family or at least anyone outside of her work family, so lets say they get together and it doesn't work out, and it could not work out, Elliot has a lot of baggage and the job is a big obsticle' and that is before the usual relationship turmoils come into play...so lets say they don't work out, where does that leave Olivia?? Not only would she have lost her lover and her partner, but her best friend and her family. Why would she risk that??? Why would she risk the love and friendship that was so obvious during this episode. For sex? What else is there left to get from him? She has his trust, love, friendship, companionship, and in a unique way, his money. (lol) They protect each other, worry about each other, take care of each other, depend on each other, and always defend each other. Seriously what more can you want?
Know what I want?? DELIVIA, that's what I want AND I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
This episode does illistrate she doesn't have any family or at least anyone outside of her work family, so lets say they get together and it doesn't work out, and it could not work out, Elliot has a lot of baggage and the job is a big obsticle' and that is before the usual relationship turmoils come into play...so lets say they don't work out, where does that leave Olivia?? Not only would she have lost her lover and her partner, but her best friend and her family. Why would she risk that??? Why would she risk the love and friendship that was so obvious during this episode. For sex? What else is there left to get from him? She has his trust, love, friendship, companionship, and in a unique way, his money. (lol) They protect each other, worry about each other, take care of each other, depend on each other, and always defend each other. Seriously what more can you want?
Know what I want?? DELIVIA, that's what I want AND I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is pretty much the bottom line! I could not have said it better myself!
ANDREA
QUOTE (QueenOlivia @ Nov 20 2009, 02:25 PM)
I actually think that this episode is a perfect example of why Elliot and Olivia should never get together Okay EOer's you know I love you guys so hear (read) me out...
This episode does illistrate she doesn't have any family or at least anyone outside of her work family, so lets say they get together and it doesn't work out, and it could not work out, Elliot has a lot of baggage and the job is a big obsticle' and that is before the usual relationship turmoils come into play...so lets say they don't work out, where does that leave Olivia?? Not only would she have lost her lover and her partner, but her best friend and her family. Why would she risk that??? Why would she risk the love and friendship that was so obvious during this episode. For sex? What else is there left to get from him? She has his trust, love, friendship, companionship, and in a unique way, his money. (lol) They protect each other, worry about each other, take care of each other, depend on each other, and always defend each other. Seriously what more can you want?
Know what I want?? DELIVIA, that's what I want AND I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
This episode does illistrate she doesn't have any family or at least anyone outside of her work family, so lets say they get together and it doesn't work out, and it could not work out, Elliot has a lot of baggage and the job is a big obsticle' and that is before the usual relationship turmoils come into play...so lets say they don't work out, where does that leave Olivia?? Not only would she have lost her lover and her partner, but her best friend and her family. Why would she risk that??? Why would she risk the love and friendship that was so obvious during this episode. For sex? What else is there left to get from him? She has his trust, love, friendship, companionship, and in a unique way, his money. (lol) They protect each other, worry about each other, take care of each other, depend on each other, and always defend each other. Seriously what more can you want?
Know what I want?? DELIVIA, that's what I want AND I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some people risk a lot for love. If you don't take risks then what's the point in living? Always playing it safe has left her right where she is now, alone. At least if it doesn't work out then she can go through life knowing that she tried rather then always wondering what would have happened if she had. Being with someone, being married to someone is more then sex. She may have his friendship now but that doesn't compare to being able to call him hers, holding him when he's sick, calling on him any time, day or night, when you just need his ears and his shoulder. She can talk to him at work but it's not the same. If Elliot and Olivia are meant to be together then their friendship will remain just as it has for the last 11 years. They may not be able to work together but they will have something much more beautiful and alive.
QUOTE (JMorgan @ Nov 20 2009, 04:04 PM)
I loved that part of your reply on what Olivia already has from Elliot. So freaking true! However, let's say your scenario plays out and she crosses the line with Elliot, they become lovers (can I request several shirtless Elliot scenes if that ever comes to air? Pretty please?) and then she loses him. She would definitely need a shoulder to cry on. A tall, dark, and handsome shoulder. Just a little sumthin' sumthin' to think about. (And yes, I know I'm shallow. Haha)
(And yes, I know I'm shallow. Haha)Okay Jmorgan, I am a reasonable woman. I'll make you a deal...I will give you one hot, steamy, dirty, shirtless, pantless, braless, no holds bar EO sexfeast if in return, I get a (tv show) life time of Delivia. Is that fair? Elliot can go to confession then return to Kathy with a fond (yet xrated) memory of his night with Olivia, and me and Andrea can plan a wedding? Deal? anyone? any takers?? C'mon now, your not going to get a bettr offer than that!
QUOTE (Mary82 @ Nov 20 2009, 08:41 PM)
Some people risk a lot for love. If you don't take risks then what's the point in living? Always playing it safe has left her right where she is now, alone. At least if it doesn't work out then she can go through life knowing that she tried rather then always wondering what would have happened if she had. Being with someone, being married to someone is more then sex. She may have his friendship now but that doesn't compare to being able to call him hers, holding him when he's sick, calling on him any time, day or night, when you just need his ears and his shoulder. She can talk to him at work but it's not the same. If Elliot and Olivia are meant to be together then their friendship will remain just as it has for the last 11 years. They may not be able to work together but they will have something much more beautiful and alive.
Who said married?
Here is the thing, I don't see their love that way....I see love and friendship, and on some level an underline attraction but if that passion was there and so strong it can stand the trials ahead for them then they would already be together. He was seperated for 2 years, he signed the papers, but then he went home. Baby no baby he went home, so if whatever he felt was not strong enough for him to move forward then they are not meant to be together. if he and Kathy do end for whatever reason and NOW he decides he wants to take that chance, no I don't think that is good enough for her to take the risk.
I know how wonderful marriage can be, and I know how hard it can be, love does not conquer all.
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