This site confirms a death of either Ross, Eames, or our beloved Goren in the premiere. They just wrapped the episode and it featured the untimely death. Hearing from Vincent's words that he will be back indicates to me first off the bat that's it not him; the Deputy Commissioner and the IA thing is probably for Eames. Which leaves the death to Ross; it has to be him. What other way he's going to exit the series?

Your thoughts.

Personally and completely off the record . . . I'm completely taking off my . . . hmm I'd say, "Police Hat" - even though I just work with them - I'd say, "Soldier hat" - but I'm not a soldier or a "trooper" even though I know what it means to "Be a trooper, son" and so on - I just hang out with lots of high ranking military . . . I'm completely taking off my "Duty hat" and going off the record and I wish to state that the next person to die . . . will probably be Monk's doctor. I think I see a pattern forming.

With a great show - I wish that a fission process would happen instead of killing off a character. Maybe Ross will just migrate and will end up working in New England or something similar. Maybe we should write in - offer an alternative script. At times like this - don't you wish you were a fly on the wall at an official meeting with the CI writers? Think like a writer - and English major . . . probably a bit of a partier. Think about what these guys were like in High School. Use psychological zingers to keep their attention.

Play the game.

I could see a possible death for each character. Bobby could be killed by Copa (to tie up loose ends from Purgatory). Ross would leave beacuse of the corruption and Eames would leave after losing her partner. Bobby would come back to the show in flashbacks.

Eames could be murdered which would cause Bobby to leave out of grief. There would be a conspiracy which would cause Ross to leave. Bobby might return once in a while in future episodes.

Ross could be murdered as part of a conspiracy. Eames and Goren would be fired. The Chief could be part of this. Bobby would return as a consultant for future episodes.

When I think about it, Bobby is the most obvious choice since he has more enemies. There doesn't seem to be a reason to kill Eames or Ross.

It's not going to be Goren. Vincent has unequivocally stated that Goren will not die. So it's either Ross or Eames.

i still think it will be ross... i think they are just trying to scare us about eames... would VDO say it was good episode if eames's character got off'd???? i would hope not...

Vincent confirmed on the radio this morning that Goren doesn't die, he says the writers came up with a clever way to keep it open for him to return. Made me think about the character of the A.D.A. on SVU I think the actress's name is Stephanie March, anyway they came up with a way to have her leave by prtending she was killed, at the end of the show I remember Benson being taken to meet with her. Her identity was changed for her safety, and later she did return to the show. Anyone remember that episode? Anyway it could explain how the writers " Have a clever way of keeping Goren alive" as Vince said, he could be in witness protection. As for Eames and ross that remains to be seen, but with no mention of Goren and Eames returning together from Vince this morning I doubt she is in the equation. As for Ross, anyone could replace him, so he could be the one who is murdered( still find that a strange way of putting it) not killed in the line of duty, but deliberately murdered. Strange choice of words, as Bobby has made enemies and Ross has always tread a carefull line, he doesn't present as a threat.

YOu know, and I say this not as a shipper (even though I am) but just in general. If they end it in any way that Goren and Eames are not part of each others lives (shippy or non-shippy) i think that would not be a good send off. Even if you don't ship the two....they go together as friends. You know?

I agree. In my mind their connection is either romantic and they keep it under wraps when on duty, or they have a friendship connection that goes well beyond romance and they have to go off together. "My partner doesn't do well with change" works both ways in my book. As dependent on Eames as Goren is for "grounding", she is as devoted to him. I think she really admires the man he has become despite all of the obstacles and she wouldn't want him out of her life, period. ( I think maybe I just wrote my first fanfiction scenario - that may be my next adventure!)

I agree completely! If they both leave for whatever and are both alive, everybody's happy. A bad ending can have a way of ruining even the reruns because you know what's coming.

Ross is a threat if Somali pirates start wreaking havoc on NYC, and MCS is put in charge of bringing them to justice, and Ross puts all hands on deck to bring them in. The pirates will go after and murder the department head, not one of the subordinates. Logically, it's Ross who will die, and G/E will leave as a team as they should.

Think light and fluffy (as much as an ep with a character death can be). G/E leaving together= light and fluffy. Goren in witness protection, indefinitely away from Eames, is not light and fluffy. Eames' death ::shudder:: is not light and fluffy. This aspect of this ep is the only time we'll want to see some version of light and fluffy. USA has screwed our actors and therefore us, but the writers won't screw their PTB at USA by doing something not light and fluffy.

Just my take on it.

hey maybe Zach Nicols character can be the one murdered...and bobby, eames and ross can stay!!!

whatcha think???

yeah thats what i think too,... not gonna happen

It's so funny you should say that because I was thinking the same thing yesterday. It does sort of 'nullify' earlier episodes if you know that 'so and so is going to die, or get married, or whatever'. While My hopes were originally for a shippier ending, I have been scared enough now to just hope for something ambiguous so at least we know they are still in each others lives. Im probably less likely to keep watching reruns if the ending is disappointing. I like FF alot, but I don't think they would have the same meaning anymore. Like, you can't keep writing Bobby and Alex stories if there's no Alex anymore (just an example). Likewise any other character. KE's silence though really bothers me.

Also, one more thing. I think I said it somewher else, but sometimes twitter has good info. I don't have a twitter account and i don't tweet, but maybe one day I'll try. Anyone here a twitterer?

Ok, so I was checking out the All Things Law & Order blog for anything new, and at first I was happy that Ernie Hudson was going to be on this Friday's episode of the mothership (HUGE Ghostbusters fan). Then I scroll down and I hear this new tidbit of info about our beloved show.

Congratulations USA Network, if your intention was to p--- off the viewers anymore then they are now, then you have succeeded greatly

I agree with those who say it's going to be Ross who dies, because:

1) VDO did say that Goren will not die (and if USA is really the money grabbers everyone says they are, they'll want to keep him around for the ratings)

2) I can't remember the name of the blog right now, but didn't both VDO and KE reject plotlines involving their characters deaths?

I know I'm just stating the obivious but I had to throw my two cents in. Lets just hope there'll be no cheap death scenes.

I was thinking the same scenario about the Stephanie March witness protection on SVU thing. But, if it's Bobby and Alex, they wouldn't be going together. Maybe it is Alex, just in case she would ever come back. Maybe we think Alex is killed and they don't reveal she is in witness protection. If they need the ratings in the future, they just say, "Oh, yeah. She was alive all along."

In another scenario, I can see B/A leaving the squadroom at the end of the ep, agreeing to meet later for dinner and smiling at each other. Then, it could be interpreted as shippy (might lead to something else) or just a friendship dinner after leaving MCS. Something subtle like that.

Go for it, Nece! Wade on into the fanfic pool...it's so much fun here!

This is a thread I never imagined in my wildest dreams nightmares I'd ever see. USA plans to kill off one of the cast? Does this network have a death wish, or are they determined to just kill off LOCI while they're at it?

That's what I want but your right, its not gonna happen

Just had a thought about VDO's comment on the "clever" way the writers are getting rid of him
What if he gets booted to Staten Island a la Logan? (I'm being fluffy here)
It would split the pair up but, VDO could make an appearance at the MCS (think Stress Position)



Well it sounded funnier in my head...

I'm amazed no one else has mentioned this possibility yet: Nicole returns and gets her final retribution of Bobby by taking away the 1 person who he respects/loves/ the most- Ames. The writers would have a glorious plot to work with (explaining away Nicole's previous "death"; setting up the method she uses to kill Ames; crafting that final climatic scene between Bobby and Nicole) and the whole CI nation would be riveted. Bobby's final confrontation with Nicole would be a ratings blockbuster...Jim, Columbus, OH

No no no no no no no no no no no. Can you tell I'm somewhat against the idea?

I really don't think the writers are going to put that much effort into it. Sadly, I think Eames will be killed off (man I hope I am wrong). Bobby will leave, too upset to go on without her and Ross, transfers out.

Even if USA had the gall, it would be such a slap in the face to the long-time devoted viewers to do that to Eames, Ross not so much.

I agree with you. I honestly think it will be Eames too. Bobby will leave out of grief and Ross will get promoted or transfer.

i must respectfully disagree with yall... VDO said that it was a "creative" way that they had written him out. killing off eames is not "creative" its lazy writing...IMHO

This is why I think and hope it won't be Eames. That would just have too much finality to it. They would not be able to bring her back at all, even if they end up needing her. So, I don't think it's her. Also, I think (and I've said it before) that would be a COMPLETE slap in the face to the fans. Even fans that they are hoping to keep after their departure. This would risk them losing a big audience. And..the article said "and the person who is killed isn't too happy either. This is right after saying that KE is unhappy. so the either has to be Ross. I think. If they kill off Eames, that pretty much ends me watching reruns and reading FF, when they do something like that, it's so final. I kinda feel like, whats the point, if so and so is going to die. You know? Also (and I"m getting wordy and desperate) I just don't think TPTB would do this to Erbe.

I think they already know that they have lost a big audience. Killing off either Goren or Eames will be the kiss of death to the show.

OK..So on my way to put my kids to bed and watch our team (GO Yankees!!!) with my husband....but...had to post this to give us all some hope. I googled something to the effect of "bogosian killed off " and got something. It's from a blog of some kind and the wording was like this ....."....ran into Eric Bogosian and Kathleen Chalfant at (?) they both told me they were being "killed off" their NBC shows. Pity."

Upon further investigation I did find out that they were both guests at something called "free night kickoff". Anyway......hope for those of us who don't want Eames to be killed. Could anyone take this further?

Likeit, you rock!!!

This really needs its own thread or should be posted on every thread.

I saw the same thing. Hope it's true -- I just can't see Goren without Eames in some way ---

Not to disrespect anyone's views, but I've been scrolling around various websites reading the comments about how CI will die without Vincent and Kate, and those kinds of comments are probably five to one favoring continuing the show with Goldblum, or giving it very low chances of survival without Vincent and Kate -- I can't believe no one at the networks aren't reading these things too and they're just plowing ahead regardless of the very obvious weight of opinion against getting rid of them. It's just like that bunch in Washington -- no matter what the majority of the American people say, Congress just keeps plowing away regardless. It's like an epidemic -- has the whole freaking world gone nuts, or is it just me???

I don't know how to do that...but pls. feel free to do it for me.

I completely agree with you. It seems that anymore people who think they have any kind of "power" stop considering what the people who put them there care about or want. The government does not care so why should TPTB at USA care? That is why people like us who feel passionately about something should speak up. The more of us who have the guts to do that, the better chance we will eventually be heard, or the outcry will have those currently in charge ousted. That is why we should not give up the campaign to save the real LOCI, or the boycotting of other USA shows, or the emails and postcards, or whatever we are doing individually or as a group. You never know what might happen if we give up now. If they do not kill of the Eames character, then when the show is bottoming out, they can beg her to come back and team up with Goren again. Happy Day!!

I have to admit that I had this exact same thought when I was thinking about who would be killed. From everything else I've read, it looks like it is Ross, but this thought has loomed large in my mind.

Since VDO says it is a creative way for the door to be left open, maybe Nicole Wallace does show up and tries to kill Eames but fails? I would actually kind of like that, if we have to have an ending, b/c I thought her heart showing up in a box was a really dumb way to finish off Bobby's nemesis. Like I said, if they have to end these characters on the show, at least bringing Nicole back would have some continuity and meaning for the fans instead of just having Ross axed by pirates, for pete's sake! (NOTE: I DON'T WANT EAMES TO DIE, LET'S BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT). Just involving Nicole in some way b/c I don't think her character got a very good send-off, either.

It looks like it's a Twitter from something called Theatre Talk.

they're currently filming the funeral at greenwood cemetery. looks very sad.

It's not gonna be Goren! IMO, it's Ross, just a guess, not Eames.

I don't want any of them to die, but if it must be one, I'd say Ross.

I don't think it would be Eames:
1. It's to obvious, they wouldn't keep mentioning Erbe is unhappy and then say someone else died....
2. She survived Blindspot to die a few seasons later? It wouldn't work well, and it wouldn't seem true to her character..... She doesn't need any white knight to save her
3. If JG episodes fail they may try to bring Erbe and VDO back, they couldn't if Erbe is dead
4. They would be ticking off a number of fans who are already ticked off as it is.

At least I really hope it isn't Eames, I think I'd die with her. I love that girl.

Any sightings of Erbe at the cemetery? She won't be filmed there if Eames is the one "in the ground", right? Same for Bogosian/Ross.

And just a thought as I fight a stomach bug (the bug is winning) - what if TWO endings/deaths have been filmed? A la Dallas and the whole Who Shot JR? scandal way back when. They filmed about 10 different possibilities of who actually shot JR so no one knew until the episode actually aired.

What if LOCI filmed both Ross and Eames being shot and no one really knows for sure? This may explain Ms. Erbe's silence. My mind keeps going back to VDO stating 'the creative way Goren was written out', he too, isn't mentioning EB or KE. Could it be because they don't know for sure?

Another thought to share: How far to you think the housecleaning really goes to cut costs? Maybe Rogers is out too. Why? The writers could have her freak out and leave when crushed by the loss of Ross (if it is indeed Ross of the big 3 who is killed). Then the producers can bring in another actor at half the price. Too bad, her best moments have been with CI. But then again, maybe her tenure with the mothership will keep her around for at least that show. Who the hell knows what the dummies at USA will do to show their contempt at all the fuss we've been throwing at 'em..Jim, Columbus, OH

Well, here's a theory that will keep me worried for the next 5 months! I think your theory about everyone's silence is very possible. Although we've had that twitter post about EB saying he was "killed off"...I haven't seen that it's been verified who said it or how credible the person is. Wasn't there another show that filmed several different endings? Now it's going to bug me.

Although, as I said in the Reasons G/E Will Never Ship thread....it wouldn't really be a relief to me if it is Ross. Either way is going to be too sad to me.

It just makes no sense to me to do this at all. I mean, why would you want to destroy a character by killing his character's partner? Because wouldn't that destroy him? I would think that it would. I will not lie. Kathryn is why I was LOCI. She's amazing and doesn't get half the credit and admiration that she deserves. I do not want it to be Eames or Goren (as I am a shipper and that doesn't sit well with my ship ), and this will be the most disappointed that I've ever been with any show and its ending of characters that I totally adore. Ross wouldn't bother me as much. He's never been (and will never be) a favorite of mine.

I asked and The Reel said that the first 2 episodes don't wrap filming until 11/6. does anyone know if VDO or KE are finished with their filming yet? I see that someone said they were filming at the cemetery. It would be great if someone could go to one of the filming locations. OnLocationVacations posts them everyday, and the Reel usually does too. I would love some on the ground info if anyone has any.

IMO I can't imagine that it is AE who is killed. It really would destroy the fan base in a more serious way (Who could bear to watch re-runs knowing she will be die?) Also, as has been pointed out many times, it would destroy BG's character. I think the best we can hope for is some really good writing (for a change), so that the fans are not disappointed with the outcome. Since there is the possibility of Goren coming back for some episodes in the future (I'm not sure I really believe that), I can't believe they would kill her off -- it would lessen the fan base that would watch those future episodes. Whatever they do must be believable (but of course they have shown they don't really care -- we can only hope the writers and show runners do)

I can see how shooting multiple endings with different characters getting killed would serve USA's purpose of continuing the deceit as long as possible to maintain fan interest all the while pissing them off for their tactics. I guess it's their way of "promoting" the show to create all this negative publicity.

It's also possible they came up with the idea to kill off one of the characters a form of revenge to counter the campaign that's going on. The way they've handled LOCI shows that whoever makes casting and budgetary decsions are not only stupid, they are also quite possibly very vindictive as well.

Now, now, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Sure, there's publicity that infuriates fans to the point of boycotting all networks NBC is affiliated with, but not bad publicity.

I just wanted to say that I LOVE your signature! Where is that picture of KE with the big hair from? And she looks really striking with the black hair!

I can't see it either, it makes absolutely NO sense to kill Eames off not to mention it would be tremendously stupid on USA's part if they want to keep her fanbase as well as the chance of a ratings boost. I'm still convinced it's Ross who dies though, namely because of how that article was phrased.

I still think they could've written out all three without anyone dying (gives USA the evil eye).




I might be wrong about this (feel free to correct me if I am), but didn't I read somewhere here that Dick Wolf only kills off a character if his/her actor really p----d him off?

And I've been reading here about Nicole Wallace returning. Didn't VDO and KE confirm she was dead in a telephone conference/interview?

Yes, Nicole Wallace is dead. Dead - dead - dead! Vincent and Kathryn did confirm that in an interview they did a few months back.

No way Nicole can come back without it being over-the-top stupid. They made her exit in "Frame" much too final. She's gone.

It would be interesting for Bobby to find her body before leaving?

This NBC/USA/Dick Wolf conspiracy, if that's what it is, makes no sense at all. How can pissing off the LOCI fan base, with the protest campaign and boycotts of the shows, networks, and advertised products, do them any good? They all must have lost their minds when they sat down and came up with this idiotic idea to kill off one of the main characters.

And as much as I loathe Nicole and want to believe she's really dead, the plan to kill one of LOCI's main characters convinces me that anything is possible for the writers to somehow resurrect her, no matter how ridiculous or far-fetched. The power brokers have shown themselves to be beyond stupidity or ethics..

I like your KE color bar!! It is sooo cool!!

I am a B/A shipper too!! I like there little moments, graphics and fan fiction!! Can never get enough of either!! LOL