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KNOMYDURT
I would like the assistance of other posters in reference to the newest exclusive evidence added to Trudy's file. I would like to think back and maybe look back at various characters that have been on the Monk episodes. But what I would like is for people to[u] give me the names of characters that they remember from Monk that would have been likely to use the phrase, in reference to themselves ...."BABYCAKES" I have a short list at the moment...and would love people to give me some other ideas...
Here is what I can think of are saw on other posts regarding possible characters..
* Lola on a recent episode
* Maybe Monk's biggest fan (whose name escapes me at that moment)
* Lively Rita in episode Monk and the birds and bees...


ANy other ideas ...PLEASE....
sue1017
Not sure who 'babycakes' is but I can tell you that they cannot spell!

I'm glad you posted this. I didn't know they did any updates to the 'file'.

Thanks,

Sue
KNOMYDURT
BabyCakes...Code for Bomb Commander...
Judge was probably Frank Nunn's leader when they were in the military together....
digthemonk
oh gosh, i think a military tie in would be intersting, i guess. i tend to think natalie won't have anything to do w/the killer(s), but it's so fun to guess!
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (digthemonk @ Nov 6 2009, 06:56 PM) *
oh gosh, i think a military tie in would be intersting, i guess. i tend to think natalie won't have anything to do w/the killer(s), but it's so fun to guess!

I am thinking more like Mitch Teeger having stumbled upon some information ...involving the military...the same info that Trudy was on top of...which was why they were both killed...
ProfessorAwesome
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 6 2009, 06:00 PM) *
I am thinking more like Mitch Teeger having stumbled upon some information ...involving the military...the same info that Trudy was on top of...which was why they were both killed...



I've been thinking that there is a Navy connection ever since I learned
Spoiler:
Lt. Albright
would be in the finale. I think he is involved with Mitches death somehow, and I do think that Trudy's and Mitch's deaths are connected.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (ProfessorAwesome @ Nov 6 2009, 07:44 PM) *
I've been thinking that there is a Navy connection ever since I learned
Spoiler:
Lt. Albright
would be in the finale. I think he is involved with Mitches death somehow, and I do think that Trudy's and Mitch's deaths are connected.

Or maybe he is just there for
1) to end up providing some information to Monk and Natalie that helps them connect everything
2) A Natalie love interest
3) For Monk to show jealousy over...
ProfessorAwesome
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 6 2009, 06:52 PM) *
Or maybe he is just there for
1) to end up providing some information to Monk and Natalie that helps them connect everything
2) A Natalie love interest
3) For Monk to show jealousy over...



Could be, but I keep thinking back to this Sherlock Holmes quote "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth"

Albright was Mitches best friend, if he had been serving in the same unit as Mitch there would be a good possibility that they would have been in Kosovo together, if Mitch had indeed found that something nefarious was going on involving fellow members of the Navy, including higher ups the first person he probably would have told would have been Albright. If Albright was involved in the conspiracy he could have either told one of his higher ups, who then had Mitch killed, or he could have killed Mitch himself. Either way his commanders would have concocted the story about his plain going down.

Remember, that if Albright is involved then he would have had two motives. Keeping Mitch from talking and getting Mitch out of the way so he could make a move on Natalie.
MrsNatalieMonk
QUOTE (ProfessorAwesome @ Nov 6 2009, 07:05 PM) *
Could be, but I keep thinking back to this Sherlock Holmes quote "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth"

Albright was Mitches best friend, if he had been serving in the same unit as Mitch there would be a good possibility that they would have been in Kosovo together, if Mitch had indeed found that something nefarious was going on involving fellow members of the Navy, including higher ups the first person he probably would have told would have been Albright. If Albright was involved in the conspiracy he could have either told one of his higher ups, who then had Mitch killed, or he could have killed Mitch himself. Either way his commanders would have concocted the story about his plain going down.

Remember, that if Albright is involved then he would have had two motives. Keeping Mitch from talking and getting Mitch out of the way so he could make a move on Natalie.


My only quibble with this is whether or not Andy Breckman has known from the beginning who the killer was. Natalie was never an intended character and so, in turn, neither was Mitch. They were only added after the fact. Now, as for Lt. Albright, they very well could have always wanted to have it be a Navy cover up (perhaps the chemical dumping in the Bay story was about the Naval base?) and when Natalie was introduced, they decided on the spot to then work her story into the original intent. That's possible. And, of course, I prefer it to a love interest for Natalie...haha. Now if they had someone truly awesome for Natalie, then I'd concede. But some random character that we've only met one other time in addition to being portrayed by Caper Van Dien...yeah, I'm not so crazy about it.

BTW...I must have missed the memo...Lt. Albright is for certain going to be back?
Tweedlebug
I was thinking Janice Ellinghouse may have been Babycakes. She would have had access to files on Trudy since they worked together and she met with Trudy the day before she died. The only thing is that she was a journalist and would have known how to spell. So she may have misspelled certain words on purpose so no one would suspect she was involved with Nunn.
ProfessorAwesome
QUOTE (MrsNatalieMonk @ Nov 6 2009, 08:51 PM) *
My only quibble with this is whether or not Andy Breckman has known from the beginning who the killer was. Natalie was never an intended character and so, in turn, neither was Mitch. They were only added after the fact. Now, as for Lt. Albright, they very well could have always wanted to have it be a Navy cover up (perhaps the chemical dumping in the Bay story was about the Naval base?) and when Natalie was introduced, they decided on the spot to then work her story into the original intent. That's possible. And, of course, I prefer it to a love interest for Natalie...haha. Now if they had someone truly awesome for Natalie, then I'd concede. But some random character that we've only met one other time in addition to being portrayed by Caper Van Dien...yeah, I'm not so crazy about it.

BTW...I must have missed the memo...Lt. Albright is for certain going to be back?


I think that it is just to big of a coincedence for Monk and Natalie to both find eachother after there spouses died under suspicious circumstances. Remember this is Monk, there is no such thing as a coincedence.

Another reason I think the Albright is involved is what is rumored to happen in "The End"
Spoiler:
According to rumours, Ambrose is poisoned and Lt. Albright is there. Now I believe Albright had mentioned that he was a medic. If that is indeed the case you would think he would know a good deal about poisons, especially being in the military, where it is possible that they may come across chemical warfare. It is possible the he poisoned Ambrose


I think Albright is involved in a conspiracy involving members of the Navy, probably in the middle, not at the top (the top man will probably be an Admiral) I don't know what his involvement in Trudy's death is, but I think he is directly responsible for Mitches.
MrsNatalieMonk
QUOTE (ProfessorAwesome @ Nov 6 2009, 10:57 PM) *
I think that it is just to big of a coincedence for Monk and Natalie to both find eachother after there spouses died under suspicious circumstances. Remember this is Monk, there is no such thing as a coincedence.

Another reason I think the Albright is involved is what is rumored to happen in "The End"
Spoiler:
According to rumours, Ambrose is poisoned and Lt. Albright is there. Now I believe Albright had mentioned that he was a medic. If that is indeed the case you would think he would know a good deal about poisons, especially being in the military, where it is possible that they may come across chemical warfare. It is possible the he poisoned Ambrose


I think Albright is involved in a conspiracy involving members of the Navy, probably in the middle, not at the top (the top man will probably be an Admiral) I don't know what his involvement in Trudy's death is, but I think he is directly responsible for Mitches.


Where exactly was this rumor posted? On here? Because I was under the impression that Ambrose would not be making a final appearance before the series ended. Unless it's possibly an after the fact and Ambrose is only mentioned and not shown. I'm torn on this one being true.
ProfessorAwesome
QUOTE (MrsNatalieMonk @ Nov 6 2009, 11:24 PM) *
Where exactly was this rumor posted? On here? Because I was under the impression that Ambrose would not be making a final appearance before the series ended. Unless it's possibly an after the fact and Ambrose is only mentioned and not shown. I'm torn on this one being true.



It was posted in one of "The End" threads, not sure if it was part 1 or 2. It was in spoiler tabs and apparently came from script notes.
MrsNatalieMonk
QUOTE (ProfessorAwesome @ Nov 6 2009, 11:34 PM) *
It was posted in one of "The End" threads, not sure if it was part 1 or 2. It was in spoiler tabs and apparently came from script notes.


K thanks! Hmm, so if that's the case, then I'm seriously thinking it was added to the original plan when Natalie was brought in.

OOH, wouldn't the shock be if they had always intended for a new character in Natalie before the Bitty Schram incident and that's the real reason she left? Hahaha, I'm just joking of course.

I guess I've always been under the assumption that Andy Breckman has always known from the beginning who killed Trudy.
ProfessorAwesome
QUOTE (MrsNatalieMonk @ Nov 6 2009, 11:42 PM) *
K thanks! Hmm, so if that's the case, then I'm seriously thinking it was added to the original plan when Natalie was brought in.

OOH, wouldn't the shock be if they had always intended for a new character in Natalie before the Bitty Schram incident and that's the real reason she left? Hahaha, I'm just joking of course.

I guess I've always been under the assumption that Andy Breckman has always known from the beginning who killed Trudy.


Perhaps there was always supposed to be Naval involvement, but when Sharona left they tweaked things a bit so that Monk and his new assisstant would have that connection. Remember, there are no coincidences.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (ProfessorAwesome @ Nov 7 2009, 12:52 AM) *
Perhaps there was always supposed to be Naval involvement, but when Sharona left they tweaked things a bit so that Monk and his new assisstant would have that connection. Remember, there are no coincidences.

Professor Awesome...I totally agree with your assessment
ProfessorAwesome
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 6 2009, 11:56 PM) *
Professor Awesome...I totally agree with your assessment


Thank you, and I think your scenario is right on. I had been trying to say that for a few days now, but I couldn't figure out how to explain it. I think our only disagreement may be whether or not Lt. Albright is involved with the murders.
MrsNatalieMonk
QUOTE (ProfessorAwesome @ Nov 6 2009, 11:52 PM) *
Perhaps there was always supposed to be Naval involvement, but when Sharona left they tweaked things a bit so that Monk and his new assisstant would have that connection. Remember, there are no coincidences.


I definitely agree that there are no coincidences. I've always thought they purposely kept Mitch's story wide open for a reason (and no, not to bring him back, lol).

What was it that the voodoo priestess said? From what we know, she didn't specifically say that Mitch was going to be shot down. Aren't voodoo people supposed to know the exact way something's going to happen? From what we know, she only urgently told Natalie that Mitch was in danger and that she needed to warn him and that the next day he was "shot down" over Kosovo. What if that was a cover up and he was murdered. Maybe if she'd warned him that he was in danger like the voodoo priestess said, then Mitch would have understood it could be about his knowing about the Naval cover up and been able to at least attempt to guard himself against his murderers. Of course, she didn't, as it was meant to be, and now all these years later, it turns out that the two cases are intertwined.

I also like the idea of the two cases being intertwined just for the fact that Mitch's death is a mystery too and I don't see how the writers could be so cruel as to offer closure for Trudy, but not Mitch.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Tweedlebug @ Nov 6 2009, 10:30 PM) *
I was thinking Janice Ellinghouse may have been Babycakes. She would have had access to files on Trudy since they worked together and she met with Trudy the day before she died. The only thing is that she was a journalist and would have known how to spell. So she may have misspelled certain words on purpose so no one would suspect she was involved with Nunn.

I believe that Baby Cakes was a code between Frank and "the Judge" ...I think that when Frank mentions in one of his notes...met to discuss car...he meant that he met with Janice as to how this was all going to play out...about getting her and the car to this lot...and then giving detonating after Janice got out of the car...maybe Trudy clung to Janice's planner as another wa she hoped to leave a clue for Monk....semiconscious effort...
MrsNatalieMonk
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 7 2009, 12:15 AM) *
I believe that Baby Cakes was a code between Frank and "the Judge" ...I think that when Frank mentions in one of his notes...met to discuss car...he meant that he met with Janice as to how this was all going to play out...about getting her and the car to this lot...and then giving detonating after Janice got out of the car...maybe Trudy clung to Janice's planner as another wa she hoped to leave a clue for Monk....semiconscious effort...


Speaking of the car...did you notice that the part about the car on the note seems to be bolder than the rest of the writing? Maybe it's to draw us in on that specific line.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (ProfessorAwesome @ Nov 7 2009, 12:59 AM) *
Thank you, and I think your scenario is right on. I had been trying to say that for a few days now, but I couldn't figure out how to explain it. I think our only disagreement may be whether or not Lt. Albright is involved with the murders.

You know I am not really saying that he isn't involved in Mitch's murder. I think that they are bringing him back for some reason...to tie things together...so he could be the one who killed Mitch....
However ...why ever he is just another piece of the final puzzle...
Tweedlebug
Kelly Street could be Babycakes. Kinda out there...but possible
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Tweedlebug @ Nov 8 2009, 01:14 PM) *
Kelly Street could be Babycakes. Kinda out there...but possible

Did you know that there is actually a street called Kelly Street in San Fransico...I believe it is close to a a harbor as well. I am thinking that perhaps Kelly Street is actually a street...but I guess they would have mentioned exploring that possibility already if they meant the They have never said one way or the other whether there is a 530 Kelly Street somehwere....
Kelly Street is obviously important...it was on both planners...
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (MrsNatalieMonk @ Nov 7 2009, 01:50 AM) *
Speaking of the car...did you notice that the part about the car on the note seems to be bolder than the rest of the writing? Maybe it's to draw us in on that specific line.

Yes, I have stared at that line...trying to figure out why it is so highlighted. The theory I have is that someone else (not Nunn) involved was in charge of seeing to it that the car with Trudy in it got to that garage that morning.
Liv
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 8 2009, 01:50 PM) *
Did you know that there is actually a street called Kelly Street in San Fransico...I believe it is close to a a harbor as well. I am thinking that perhaps Kelly Street is actually a street...but I guess they would have mentioned exploring that possibility already if they meant the They have never said one way or the other whether there is a 530 Kelly Street somehwere....
Kelly Street is obviously important...it was on both planners...


No it's not. Unless I am completely overlooking it. I don't see it in the unburned planner at all, only on the scrap that was recovered from the scene.
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