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This thread is the offical Willie Garson/Mozzie fan club thread.

Just post if you'd like to join. smile.gif Anybody can!! smile.gif

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dxbrett619
QUOTE (___Kerli___ @ Oct 20 2009, 07:40 PM) *
Once i actually know his charecters name this WILL be edited to say that instead.

Anybody else here like Willie Garson?

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Enjoy!! smile.gif

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hellll yeah
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I was such a nerk (geek, dork, nerd) last night. Everytime Willie Garson came on.. i said to myself:

THUD!!!

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Liv
QUOTE (___Kerli___ @ Oct 20 2009, 07:40 PM) *
This thread is the offical Willie Garson/Mozzie fan club thread.

Just post if you'd like to join. smile.gif Anybody can!! smile.gif

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Count mew in!

I keep laughing every time I think about him smoking that cigarette- "I'm hardcore."
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QUOTE (Liv @ Oct 25 2009, 06:33 PM) *
Count mew in!

I keep laughing every time I think about him smoking that cigarette- "I'm hardcore."

hahahaah.

Bumpty Bump. smile.gif

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stature
Mozzie moments....

I like how rather stiff-necked he is and shifty because you can't see
his eyes too well with that slightly tinted lens. He's the type of person
that people wouldn't give a second look, he can blend in the crowd.

Mozzie is an interesting fellow. He put himself through law school via internet.
He has a storage unit "lab". He is one of two people very close to Neal (the other
is Kate) who Neal told a false location for his stash of stolen stuff (what are friends
for). He is very good at finding information that the FBI can't, and very good at
sorting through a truck load of info (Free Fall - the FBI files) He is more reliable than
what we have seen of Kate so far.

Ok = Mozzie moments!
My favorite so far is when he is sitting in a limo enjoying champagne and listening
to classical music.....then he is annoyed by the good guys vs bad guys
interruption in his enjoyment and helps Peter out, then declares 'I was never here'.

When Mozzie tries to convince Peter the first time they meet that he was June's boyfriend and
said that June likes cream in her coffee.

When Mozzie wakes up suddenly and wants to know if Neal drew on his face.
The other time Mozzie woke from a nap he demanded to see the warrant.

Most irritating moment was to watch him take Kate's letter from Neal and
read it aloud, cutting out the 'love letter parts' in the middle and only
reading the 'go away Neal' beginning and ending of the letter.
I had to freeze frame the show to read it myself & see that Mozzie was
painting a different picture of Kate.

Overall Mozzie is interesting and I hope he is not betraying Neal in any way.
Apoctyliptic
QUOTE (stature @ Dec 13 2009, 08:57 PM) *
He put himself through law school via internet.

I doubt he actually did the law school program at the University of Phoenix. First, because I do not believe they have a law school (Will have to check). Second, he would most likely just hack it and make it look like he did.
CathysOpinion
QUOTE (Apoctyliptic @ Dec 14 2009, 03:43 AM) *
I doubt he actually did the law school program at the University of Phoenix. First, because I do not believe they have a law school (Will have to check). Second, he would most likely just hack it and make it look like he did.



I'm with you on the 'law degree'. In several interviews, it was stated that noone knows Mozzie's full name or if Mozzie is his first or last name. When Mozzie went to court and to the jail, he had to sign a full name and show an ID. Mozzie is highly intelligent, I bet he hacked into the bar association and grabbed a name. He did state to Neal "this is brilliant, why didn't we think of this before" and I believe Mozzie was referring to his impersonating Neal's attorney.
stature
QUOTE (CathysOpinion @ Dec 14 2009, 11:33 AM) *
I'm with you on the 'law degree'. In several interviews, it was stated that noone knows Mozzie's full name or if Mozzie is his first or last name. When Mozzie went to court and to the jail, he had to sign a full name and show an ID. Mozzie is highly intelligent, I bet he hacked into the bar association and grabbed a name. He did state to Neal "this is brilliant, why didn't we think of this before" and I believe Mozzie was referring to his impersonating Neal's attorney.



Sneaky Mozzie! I looked it up. Phoenix School of Law is provisionally
ABA-approved and has nothing to do with University of Phoenix.
UoP has nine doctoral programs, none of which are a JD
CathysOpinion
QUOTE (stature @ Dec 15 2009, 12:27 AM) *
Sneaky Mozzie! I looked it up. Phoenix School of Law is provisionally
ABA-approved and has nothing to do with University of Phoenix.
UoP has nine doctoral programs, none of which are a JD

Sneaky is right. Everything Mozzie does is a scam! That's why we love him!
stature
Speculations related to a Mozzie is evil theory:
Moz is the one that gave Neal the picture of the Ring Man with Kate in San Diego
to show Neal that she could not be trusted with her knowledge of the treasure's location.
Moz may have something he can hold over Kate to control her.
Moz is the one that would be able to announce to Kate the progress of Neal's figuring
out the clues and which Friday Kate should show up for the phone call with Neal.
(Meanwhile Moz is painting himself innocent by pointing out that Neal doesn't
know when the note from Grand Central Terminal was written and thus which
Friday Kate would be there and it seems Moz was there uninvited trying to
convince Neal that Neal should be appreciative Moz came along to be able to
announce when a gun's red laser dot is pointed at Neal) .
Moz reads Kate's note in abbreviated form making it sound more 'go away Neal'
than it is when the whole letter is read in its entirety.
( trying to create a rift between Kate and Neal?).
At the phone call Moz made sure he was standing there to
listen in when Neal might reveal where the stash was hidden. Kate
wasn't too happy to talk to Moz her old friend when Moz picked up the phone
after Neal ran off to try to get close to Kate.

Moz is the one that gave the Operation Mentor room
location to Neal where Neal could then get info that will likely create a rift with Peter.

So Mozzie looks like he could be evil. I hope he isn't.
Nancee
QUOTE (stature @ Dec 16 2009, 01:08 AM) *
Speculations related to a Mozzie is evil theory:
Moz is the one that gave Neal the picture of the Ring Man with Kate in San Diego
to show Neal that she could not be trusted with her knowledge of the treasure's location.
Moz may have something he can hold over Kate to control her.
Moz is the one that would be able to announce to Kate the progress of Neal's figuring
out the clues and which Friday Kate should show up for the phone call with Neal.
(Meanwhile Moz is painting himself innocent by pointing out that Neal doesn't
know when the note from Grand Central Terminal was written and thus which
Friday Kate would be there and it seems Moz was there uninvited trying to
convince Neal that Neal should be appreciative Moz came along to be able to
announce when a gun's red laser dot is pointed at Neal) .
Moz reads Kate's note in abbreviated form making it sound more 'go away Neal'
than it is when the whole letter is read in its entirety.
( trying to create a rift between Kate and Neal?).
At the phone call Moz made sure he was standing there to
listen in when Neal might reveal where the stash was hidden. Kate
wasn't too happy to talk to Moz her old friend when Moz picked up the phone
after Neal ran off to try to get close to Kate.

Moz is the one that gave the Operation Mentor room
location to Neal where Neal could then get info that will likely create a rift with Peter.

So Mozzie looks like he could be evil. I hope he isn't.


How could anyone who uses the moniker "Haversham" be "evil"?????
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CathysOpinion
QUOTE (Nancee @ Dec 18 2009, 01:27 PM) *
How could anyone who uses the moniker "Haversham" be "evil"?????
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LOL, or someone who wakes up, slaps his face and cries "did you draw on my face?".
Nancee
QUOTE (CathysOpinion @ Dec 18 2009, 05:25 PM) *
LOL, or someone who wakes up, slaps his face and cries "did you draw on my face?".


There is an interesting Q & A by Willi Garson from November 6, 2009 here:

http://www.spoilertv.com/2009/11/white-col...conference.html
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SeasonFinale
QUOTE (stature @ Dec 16 2009, 02:08 AM) *
Speculations related to a Mozzie is evil theory:
Moz is the one that gave Neal the picture of the Ring Man with Kate in San Diego
to show Neal that she could not be trusted with her knowledge of the treasure's location.
Moz may have something he can hold over Kate to control her.
Moz is the one that would be able to announce to Kate the progress of Neal's figuring
out the clues and which Friday Kate should show up for the phone call with Neal.
(Meanwhile Moz is painting himself innocent by pointing out that Neal doesn't
know when the note from Grand Central Terminal was written and thus which
Friday Kate would be there and it seems Moz was there uninvited trying to
convince Neal that Neal should be appreciative Moz came along to be able to
announce when a gun's red laser dot is pointed at Neal) .
Moz reads Kate's note in abbreviated form making it sound more 'go away Neal'
than it is when the whole letter is read in its entirety.
( trying to create a rift between Kate and Neal?).
At the phone call Moz made sure he was standing there to
listen in when Neal might reveal where the stash was hidden. Kate
wasn't too happy to talk to Moz her old friend when Moz picked up the phone
after Neal ran off to try to get close to Kate.

Moz is the one that gave the Operation Mentor room
location to Neal where Neal could then get info that will likely create a rift with Peter.

So Mozzie looks like he could be evil. I hope he isn't.

Mozzie always struck me as shady, so if he turns out to be evil I do not think it would be much of a big deal. Mozzie is great comic relief but he's not a necessary character. It always struck me odd how abrasive he acts when Neal is talking about previous things he stole.
stature
QUOTE (SeasonFinale @ Dec 22 2009, 03:17 AM) *
Mozzie always struck me as shady, so if he turns out to be evil I do not think it would be much of a big deal. Mozzie is great comic relief but he's not a necessary character. It always struck me odd how abrasive he acts when Neal is talking about previous things he stole.


In chess Mozzie is the self-proclaimed bishop. I noticed that Neal picked up the knight piece.
I don't know much about chess so picked out some wiki quotes (searched "wiki chess bishop")
to further my wild speculation that Mozzie is evil:
"Bishops generally gain in relative strength towards the endgame as more pieces are captured
and more open lines are available for them to operate. ... A bishop can in some situations hinder
a knight to move. In these situations, the bishop is said to be "dominating" the knight." huh.gif rolleyes.gif
Mozzie is a little too interested in helping Neal go back to conning "welcome back!" he says when
Neal plans to steal the Amber Music Box
ArtOfMe
Remember when Neal shoves most of the pieces off the chess board during that one scene? The next shot is a view through the window, and a lone bishop is standing at the center of the board.

As for what that says about Mozzie, I'm not sure....
xDannix
Mozzie powns all.
end of story (:
Channel_Surfer
QUOTE (stature @ Jan 23 2010, 12:59 AM) *
In chess Mozzie is the self-proclaimed bishop. I noticed that Neal picked up the knight piece.
I don't know much about chess so picked out some wiki quotes (searched "wiki chess bishop")
to further my wild speculation that Mozzie is evil:
"Bishops generally gain in relative strength towards the endgame as more pieces are captured
and more open lines are available for them to operate. ... A bishop can in some situations hinder
a knight to move. In these situations, the bishop is said to be "dominating" the knight." huh.gif rolleyes.gif
Mozzie is a little too interested in helping Neal go back to conning "welcome back!" he says when
Neal plans to steal the Amber Music Box

Knights are strange pieces; they can only move in L shapes. I was thinking that the knight had more to do with getting things done in a roundabout or illegal way than anything else. Or maybe the writers just threw that in to give the episode a snappy finish.
SeasonFinale
QUOTE (ArtOfMe @ Jan 23 2010, 01:20 AM) *
Remember when Neal shoves most of the pieces off the chess board during that one scene? The next shot is a view through the window, and a lone bishop is standing at the center of the board.

As for what that says about Mozzie, I'm not sure....

From the time Mozzie came on the scene, there's been something I just don't trust about the guy. I had a few Mozzie theories a while ago, which speculated that Mozzie could be working in Cahoots with Fowler and may work for Andrew who he and Neal go back a long ways. I still have big questions about Mozzie, in how he seems to know every single thing about Neal & his thoughts on stealing things before he says something. Like before he even talks, Mozzie already is putting words in Neal's mouth. In a pattern where he acts like he knows what Neal is thinking. I don't like it.

Never got the same feeling for Kate, in fact I sense she can be trusted despite her rough around the edges past. Mozzie, I have never sensed this guy could really be trusted. I don't think he is really looking out for Neal, especially when he encourages him to snatch the Music Box when no one's looking. Maybe it's nothing, but ever since I read the bio about Andrew & Neal I sensed a foreboding dread about "Andy" in that this guy is a really bad egg who we are going to find out appears in multiple episodes. I think this guy who was once Neal's friend, has links to international crime and is a man of many faces we aren't supposed to know early. I also speculate that Mozzie has known this guy for about as long as Neal has, and may be also working for him. I just can't understand why this Mozzie guy is always so adamant to talk about Neal's treasures and past steals, strikes me as very shady for a good friend to do. If I was Neal I'd cut this Moz loose at the first sign of trouble, the chess board scene was strange....
stature
QUOTE (SeasonFinale @ Jan 23 2010, 03:42 AM) *
From the time Mozzie came on the scene, there's been something I just don't trust about the guy. I had a few Mozzie theories a while ago, which speculated that Mozzie could be working in Cahoots with Fowler and may work for Andrew who he and Neal go back a long ways. I still have big questions about Mozzie, in how he seems to know every single thing about Neal & his thoughts on stealing things before he says something. Like before he even talks, Mozzie already is putting words in Neal's mouth. In a pattern where he acts like he knows what Neal is thinking. I don't like it.

Never got the same feeling for Kate, in fact I sense she can be trusted despite her rough around the edges past. Mozzie, I have never sensed this guy could really be trusted. I don't think he is really looking out for Neal, especially when he encourages him to snatch the Music Box when no one's looking. Maybe it's nothing, but ever since I read the bio about Andrew & Neal I sensed a foreboding dread about "Andy" in that this guy is a really bad egg who we are going to find out appears in multiple episodes. I think this guy who was once Neal's friend, has links to international crime and is a man of many faces we aren't supposed to know early. I also speculate that Mozzie has known this guy for about as long as Neal has, and may be also working for him. I just can't understand why this Mozzie guy is always so adamant to talk about Neal's treasures and past steals, strikes me as very shady for a good friend to do. If I was Neal I'd cut this Moz loose at the first sign of trouble, the chess board scene was strange....


Good points SeasonFinale (I couldn't figure out who Andrew was, that's a spoiler right?)
Kidding in the Writer Fan Club thread also raised an interesting item:

QUOTE (Kidding @ Jan 20 2010, 02:55 PM) *
One thing nagging me since the series began and Hard Sell exasperated was that photo. I understand Mozzie's character "gets things done" but the fact that image lands on Peter's desk and Mozzie gets a hold of it as well is just beyond coincidence. Kate wasn't even using her real name if I remember correctly....


Did Mozzie put the photo on Peter's desk and thus start Peter on the unofficial investigation that
lead to Peter getting in trouble with Fowler (Operation Mentor)? Get Peter out of the way and get
Neal back in crime.
Apoctyliptic
QUOTE (stature @ Jan 23 2010, 10:29 AM) *
Did Mozzie put the photo on Peter's desk and thus start Peter on the unofficial investigation that
lead to Peter getting in trouble with Fowler (Operation Mentor)? Get Peter out of the way and get
Neal back in crime.


It was Susan Richards that put the photo on his desk.
CathysOpinion
QUOTE (Apoctyliptic @ Jan 23 2010, 07:01 PM) *
It was Susan Richards that put the photo on his desk.

OK, we are going to have to give you your own thread with your fan fiction.
SeasonFinale
QUOTE (stature @ Jan 23 2010, 12:29 PM) *
Good points SeasonFinale (I couldn't figure out who Andrew was, that's a spoiler right?)
Kidding in the Writer Fan Club thread also raised an interesting item:

Did Mozzie put the photo on Peter's desk and thus start Peter on the unofficial investigation that
lead to Peter getting in trouble with Fowler (Operation Mentor)?

Right. Andrew could be one of the main baddies, but here's the thing about crime; I don't think he was working alone. The more I learn the more I think there is a mafia syndicate involved, and each of them have their own reasons for following Neal and screwing over his life for the boss.
Spoiler:
http://www.spoilertv.com/2009/11/white-collar-episode-111-casting-call.html
http://community.livejournal.com/whitecoll...tml?view=483002

See the guy who wants Neal in a pine box and wants Neal's treasure, is able to hire famous convicts like Tulane to do his dirty work. He is able to forge signatures with ease. He is also able to talk to Interpol and communicate with them to set Neal up, something Fowler would not have the first clue about. And as evidence suggested in previous episodes, he may even be able to talk white collar crooks like Avery Phillips into short-selling stock in order to lead Neal into a trap. I even theorize the stock market sell off was too perfect, that the guys responsible told Avery about Neal. And he was all taken care of, except the main boss never expected Peter would be around to help him because it was anticipated Fowler would have had Peter fired. Right there in the theory, you got open motive.

And the more I read, the more I think Eddie Desmond the noted international hitman is actually Kate's stage handler. Eddie is notorious and works for the big boss. As to who it is they're manipulating....I think Andrew may well be behind it and I think "The Duke" who runs the Italian Consulate (or even the earlier "Dutchman") is a tool in their main scheme to recover the Amber Music Box and get the other pieces to go with this treasure by co-ercing Neal into getting every part back.....and I think the people from Neal's past are being used as collateral for their game. Mozzie could be part of taking care of Neal's suspicions.
Spoiler:
http://www.spoilertv.com/2009/12/white-collar-episode-113-casting-call.html

See, I can't help but think this theory is not just another theory but closer to reality of what the writers plan for the show. I could not seem to get past the fact there seemed to be something extra out of place with this Andrew character, so that is why I did some in depth research.

Turns out
Spoiler:
Andrew Marlowe
is actually an "elaborate, murder mystery" novelist in real life who writes the entire storyline for the TV series "Castle" where he literally writes about "copycat killers" who go around staging murders for "sport" that play out the same scenes in his novels.
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"I was a fan of the old-fashioned murder mysteries on TV with the eccentric characters and we've seemed to enter the age of procedurals where it's really more about the evidence than the specifics of the case. I thought there was an opportunity to tell some great characters stories in that arena so I wanted to be able to blend the stuff I love, which has always been character storytelling, with more of the procedural elements. When I set out to create "Castle," I thought, "Let's do something that's leans a little bit more towards the stuff I loved growing up." You remember "Columbo" and you remember "Rockford" but you don't necessarily remember the cases as strongly because the characters were so very interesting. As a writer myself, going through those periods when I'm deep into it and I never get to leave my 10x10 room, I thought, "Wouldn't it be fun to actually get to go out into the universe and do some of the things that we were writing about?," and that's where the concept of Castle was born; a guy who is a writer that actually gets out into the world and use some of the things he's learned along the way. "

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20090921_castle
Co-incidence? Yeah right. This guy is creepy as heck, and sounds like he is based upon the writer of the "Castle" series and Hollow Man movies. He is a real person who writes this kind of thing for a living, and just happens to have a character inspired by him appear in White Collar? No chance. He's there to tie together some conspiracy and make everyone think twice about Mozzie.

Look at all the various types of stories he writes, this guy is a born again conspiracy mystery novel "KING"
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"A wildly famous mystery novelist, Richard Castle, who is bored with his own success, learns that a real-world copycat killer has started staging murders from scenes depicted in his novels. Castle is questioned by NYPD Detective Kate Beckett, a bright and aggressive detective who keeps her investigations under a tight rein. Though they instantly clash, sparks of another sort also begin to fly, leading both to danger and a hint of romance as Castle steps in to help find the killer. "

http://www.film.com/tv/castle/season-1-200...-grave/26672750
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"The body of a young woman is found spinning inside the dryer in the laundry room of an upscale apartment building. When Castle and Beckett discover that she worked as a nanny in the building, their investigation leads them to a world of sex, lies and "playdates." Meanwhile, while writing the first novel in his "Nikki Heat" series, Castle delves into the thoughts and actions of Beckett, as she navigates the murder case while revealing more of her own mysteries."

http://www.film.com/tv/castle/season-1-200...mcdead/26672775
QUOTE
"When an Arctic explorer is killed during a polar expedition, the mysterious circumstances of his death take Castle and Beckett from the penthouses of Park Avenue to the halls of the CIA. But Castle's delight at the case's many twists and turns soon turns to frustration as he realizes that their elusive killer might just be fooling them all."

http://www.film.com/tv/castle/season-2-200...e-once/30661429
Andy writes conspiracy scripts in real life for a living. Who in the heck is this guy?
http://www.film.com/celebrities/andrew-marlowe/14597401

My main feeling is he is some kind of actual Avatar for the famous writer/producer of the same name, brought into White Collar in order to play Neal's ultimate rival who can drive him over the edge. His plot in the story will clearly involve murder/sabotage of each of Neal's friends, in a fashion identical to that of someone's novel. And from there you get all these intentional setups designed to ruin Neal, take advantage of his clumsiness & rub out everyone else from the picture.....just like the guy's own TV series that he runs. Oh, and he is also an inside joke by the writers. Placed there so you have no idea what his motives are, up until the closing curtain calls and wrap up of the Fowler/music box storyline so that everyone gets to be surprised.
Channel_Surfer
QUOTE (SeasonFinale @ Jan 24 2010, 01:40 PM) *
Right. Andrew could be one of the main baddies, but here's the thing about crime; I don't think he was working alone. The more I learn the more I think there is a mafia syndicate involved, and each of them have their own reasons for following Neal and screwing over his life for the boss.
Spoiler:
http://www.spoilertv.com/2009/11/white-collar-episode-111-casting-call.html
http://community.livejournal.com/whitecoll...tml?view=483002

See the guy who wants Neal in a pine box and wants Neal's treasure, is able to hire famous convicts like Tulane to do his dirty work. He is able to forge signatures with ease. He is also able to talk to Interpol and communicate with them to set Neal up, something Fowler would not have the first clue about. And as evidence suggested in previous episodes, he may even be able to talk white collar crooks like Avery Phillips into short-selling stock in order to lead Neal into a trap. I even theorize the stock market sell off was too perfect, that the guys responsible told Avery about Neal. And he was all taken care of, except the main boss never expected Peter would be around to help him because it was anticipated Fowler would have had Peter fired. Right there in the theory, you got open motive.

And the more I read, the more I think Eddie Desmond the noted international hitman is actually Kate's stage handler. Eddie is notorious and works for the big boss. As to who it is they're manipulating....I think Andrew may well be behind it and I think "The Duke" who runs the Italian Consulate (or even the earlier "Dutchman") is a tool in their main scheme to recover the Amber Music Box and get the other pieces to go with this treasure by co-ercing Neal into getting every part back.....and I think the people from Neal's past are being used as collateral for their game. Mozzie could be part of taking care of Neal's suspicions.
Spoiler:
http://www.spoilertv.com/2009/12/white-collar-episode-113-casting-call.html

I am going to answer your quote with a quote:

QUOTE (CathysOpinion @ Jan 24 2010, 12:07 PM) *
OK, we are going to have to give you your own thread with your fan fiction.

Nancee
Mozzie's gonna shine in Bad Judgement!
CathysOpinion
QUOTE (Nancee @ Jan 26 2010, 08:57 PM) *
Mozzie's gonna shine in Bad Judgement!

He sure did. Big time.
Nancee
QUOTE (CathysOpinion @ Jan 26 2010, 11:35 PM) *
He sure did. Big time.

What a fantastic showman! I'm still laughing at his confrontation with Ray. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Apoctyliptic
He got his kid this week officially... Nathen Hernandez Garson
Nancee
QUOTE (Apoctyliptic @ Jan 28 2010, 07:30 PM) *
He got his kid this week officially... Nathen Hernandez Garson

Wow. Thanks very much!

Congratulations are in order!
CathysOpinion
Jeff Eastin posted this fanvid on this Twitter. If you love Mozzie, you'll love this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgi0pi6A-00
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