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teresaslo
I was wondering if anyone has heard of any real life burnt spies or special ops...I reserched the Irish Gunrunner Fiona type and found a story of the Flordia Four who were gun runners, some female, they were tried and then had their hand slapped and sent back to Ireland.
Just wondering
Burnaholic
I think there is a real life burned spy that is a consultant on the show. The credits read "consulting producer" and his "name" is Michael Wilson. JD talked about it a little when he was on Jimmy Kimmel Live. Here is the link to that interview. I don't know if that is what you're looking for, but it is a burned spy!
PhilippaConnors
Hi teresaslo! I'm thinking you're talking about maybe books that have been written or articles about actual real-life spies who have been burned? Something along those lines? As burnaholic mentioned, Michael Wilson (the former spy who serves as a consultant for Burn Notice) had this happen to him. And he's the only burned spy I've ever read about (Jeffrey Donovan has mentioned him in interviews in the past, as has Matt Nix). I remember Matt Nix saying once that Michael Wilson told him as a burned spy you need a cheap source of protein. Michael Wilson chose tuna fish, and Nix was saying Michael Westen could just as easily have gone with that but instead it wound up being yogurt. wink.gif

Here's an excerpt from an interview with Matt Nix where he talks about Michael Wilson, just as an item of interest:

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..."The truth is, the direct inspiration was conversations that I had had with our consulting producer, Michael Wilson, who had worked in that environment. And the thing that really struck me about talking to him and interacting with him was that we tend to think of people who work in those arenas as superheroes, you know, people who are not human beings. They don't have likes and dislikes. They're just sort of like robot people who protect us, and they can do anything."

"I became really interested in the idea that when people devote themselves to mastery of a craft like espionage, they pay a real price for it, and it's not - I mean as much as I love movies and books that do the sort of like, and the price they pay is they have robot arms, or the price they pay is mind control or things like that. Really, in the real world, the price that these people pay is, you know, I mean, they entered that world because it's something they need psychologically, and to me it was always a fascinating question to say, like, what sort of person wants that? What sort of person is okay with saying, like, I hold some ideal so sacred that I'm willing to make my entire life a rouse in service of that ideal."

"You know, I so love my country that I'm going to go and pretend to hate my country and have all of my friends be the enemies of my country, and spend years doing this just so that I can strike a blow on behalf of something that I care about. You know, what is that? Like, what sort of person devotes himself to a single principal at that level, and so there's that question. Like, what background do you come from"

"And so, I looked into it with Michael Wilson, and I also read other things. And it's, frankly, been an interest of mine since I was a little kid. Like, who really becomes that? And then, at the same time, I'm interested in what are the costs ongoing. I mean, one of the things that we talked about on the show is that things should come at a cost. Like, we'll ask, what is the human dimension of this thing that Michael is going to do? What sort of practice does he have to undergo? Like, he may be able to do this particular kind of fighting, but does he enjoy doing it? Does he find it unpleasant? Are his muscles sore for days afterwards? Like, what are the practical human realities of becoming this kind of superhero? And so, I guess my inspiration is, you know, a real interest in the human dimension of those abilities, where they come from, what spurs you to want to do that, and what price you pay ongoingly."

"And, I mean, actually, even down to the fact of, even down to the way that I became friends with Michael Wilson was, you know, he sort of contacted me because he like a short film that I had done that was available on the Internet, and as we talked over time, I realized that all of Michael's friends essentially are people that he had to choose almost at random because if you work in the world of intelligence, if you sit down at a bar and there's somebody next to you, and you strike up a good conversation, and you have a wonderful time, you can't ever talk to that person again because that person could be a plant. That person found you. That person happened to be in the right place at the right time, and you happened to get along with them. It's much too dangerous to make those kinds of friendships."

"You really need to make friendships with people that you select because the danger that someone that you randomly select on the Internet and decide I like this guy's short film, let's be friends. The chances that I'm going to be someone who is out to undermine him in some way are vanishingly small. But if you're just bumping into people on the street, well, somebody may have put that person there for you to bump into. And it struck me, like that's a big way to compromise your life. That's a huge deal to say you can never have a friend that you didn't choose."

"And so, looking at what does that mean for Michael and, like, what does it to explore that kind of character, and what does it take out of him? And I also think that what's fun about that is it generates a lot of drama, but it generates just as much comedy as it does drama. One of my central inspirations and one of the things I talked about in pitching the show was something that I had talked about with Michael and also with some other people, which is the idea that a lot of these people who are doing this kind of awesome commando stuff, you know, they parachute into a jungle, and then they've got to run around doing things. If they bought that awesome jacket at REI before they parachuted into the jungle, and now they have to leave it behind because they're in the jungle and they're not really going to carry around that jacket, but they needed it because they were parachuting through the upper atmosphere."

"I had this great conversation where - it was actually Michael Wilson was saying basically it's a bummer to leave that REI jacket behind because you went and you picked it out, and it was fun, and you kind of liked the way it fit. And then you've just got to leave it in the middle of the jungle. It sucks. And that was hilarious to me, and so pitching that to USA, you know, it's real. There's a sort of pathos there. Your heart sort of goes out to that poor spy who has to leave his favorite jacket behind in the jungle, and it also sets up an awesome action scene. It's exciting. Honestly, I can't get enough of it." ...
teresaslo
QUOTE (PhilippaConnors @ Oct 18 2009, 10:09 AM) *
Hi teresaslo! I'm thinking you're talking about maybe books that have been written or articles about actual real-life spies who have been burned? Something along those lines? As burnaholic mentioned, Michael Wilson (the former spy who serves as a consultant for Burn Notice) had this happen to him. And he's the only burned spy I've ever read about (Jeffrey Donovan has mentioned him in interviews in the past, as has Matt Nix). I remember Matt Nix saying once that Michael Wilson told him as a burned spy you need a cheap source of protein. Michael Wilson chose tuna fish, and Nix was saying Michael Westen could just as easily have gone with that but instead it wound up being yogurt. wink.gif

Here's an excerpt from an interview with Matt Nix where he talks about Michael Wilson, just as an item of interest:


WOW! thanks. I asked because I met someone when I was living in Lake Tahoe/Reno in the late 70's who said he used to be a Navy Seal and Special Ops. I thought he was crazy at the time but something was unusual about him. His 'worn out clothes' were high quality and he was smart. He was very physically fit, he was always in control and the few times I saw him in the discos he was not like everyone else(think 70's disco). In hindsight I think he could have been, but the story seemed outrageous. I talked with him several times and he did not mention his background until the third time.
During that period of time there was Iranian refugees from the Shahs of Irans Camp living in Reno and it was the end of the Vietnam Era. It would be a smart place to go for you could get work easy and so many tourists one could 'blend in'. I since went on to be a social worker and have a license to give a Psych name and number and this guy did not meet the criteria for crazy so he always stuck in my mind....
thanks I will check out this Michael 'Wilson'

OK is this Michael Wilson? LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_G._Wilson creator of the James Bond series???
he has consulted on all episodes it looks like http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2719619/
MsSully
That was really interesting Phi...thanks for the post!

MsSully
Karendipitee
QUOTE (teresaslo @ Oct 18 2009, 12:49 PM) *
OK is this Michael Wilson? LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_G._Wilson creator of the James Bond series???
he has consulted on all episodes it looks like http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2719619/


No, different one. Pretty sure the BN Michael Wilson has no previous TV/film experience, just spy.

petunia846
I really enjoy listening to Spycast, a monthly podcast from the International Spy Museum. You can find it on iTunes or here:
http://www.spymuseum.org/programs/spycast.php

If I recall correctly, there have been a couple mentions of burnt spies in the podcasts. And she wasn't exactly burned, but one of the most interesting podcasts I thought was the one they did with Valerie Plame.
teresaslo
QUOTE (petunia846 @ Oct 18 2009, 04:29 PM) *
I really enjoy listening to Spycast, a monthly podcast from the International Spy Museum. You can find it on iTunes or here:
http://www.spymuseum.org/programs/spycast.php

If I recall correctly, there have been a couple mentions of burnt spies in the podcasts. And she wasn't exactly burned, but one of the most interesting podcasts I thought was the one they did with Valerie Plame.

OOOH fun! Thanks! Future Spies of America they have an Intelligence & Security program at UCLA see 9.11.09 program...
teresaslo
QUOTE (petunia846 @ Oct 18 2009, 04:29 PM) *
I really enjoy listening to Spycast, a monthly podcast from the International Spy Museum. You can find it on iTunes or here:
http://www.spymuseum.org/programs/spycast.php

If I recall correctly, there have been a couple mentions of burnt spies in the podcasts. And she wasn't exactly burned, but one of the most interesting podcasts I thought was the one they did with Valerie Plame.

Re: Valerie Plame Wilsons husband...
"She did not select her husband for a CIA fact-finding trip to Niger, but an officer senior to her selected him and told her to ask her husband if he would consider it: "I did not recommend him. I did not suggest him. There was no nepotism involved. I did not have the authority...."[52]
Could this be 'Michael Wilson'?
PhilippaConnors
Thank you for the Spycast info, Petunia! Also, I've never read Valerie Plame's book but I've heard it's quite fascinating and a good read. I'll have to check it out some time...

Terasio, that person you knew in Nevada certainly sounds like he could well have been in covert ops - either as a former spy or perhaps even a burned one. Given his background, he would be the perfect recruit for spycraft. Wow...wonder where he is today? cool.gif
teresaslo
QUOTE (PhilippaConnors @ Oct 18 2009, 08:28 PM) *
Thank you for the Spycast info, Petunia! Also, I've never read Valerie Plame's book but I've heard it's quite fascinating and a good read. I'll have to check it out some time...

Terasio, that person you knew in Nevada certainly sounds like he could well have been in covert ops - either as a former spy or perhaps even a burned one. Given his background, he would be the perfect recruit for spycraft. Wow...wonder where he is today? cool.gif


Maybe he is a security guard at one of the casinos.....
rebecce
cool.gif The only one i know about is Richard Tomlinson. He was a MI-6 spy who was burn in the 90's . He gave a interview with Matt Lauer on the Today Show after Princess Di was killed and said it looked like a assassination plot the MI-6 used on other world leaders they wanted to "get rid of". I think he said they were going to use that on Serbia's former President. Here is a link to another interview he did WE THE PEOPLE.LA
Here is a article on him CLICK HERE!
teresaslo
QUOTE (rebecce @ Oct 19 2009, 11:23 AM) *
cool.gif The only one i know about is Richard Tomlinson. He was a MI-6 spy who was burn in the 90's . He gave a interview with Matt Lauer on the Today Show after Princess Di was killed and said it looked like a assassination plot the MI-6 used on other world leaders they wanted to "get rid of". I think he said they were going to use that on Serbia's former President. Here is a link to another interview he did WE THE PEOPLE.LA
Here is a article on him CLICK HERE!

thanks all....I had fun shopping at the spymuseum store....here is the 'Fiona Up' tee I got plus a few books http://www.spymuseumstore.org/9104.html
I have been researching a bit and it is soooo interesting. I have always been touched by Michaels heart for his country...it is really a sacrifice....what was really a little shocking was a site I found from wwll US citizen spies WORKING AGAINST USA inside the USA! they contributed to the bloodshed at Pearl Harbor....

I think the Princess Di truth will come out when her sons rein...
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