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CharleneSVU
It's true, we are gonna to miss our 8 year long dream team of Goren & Eames. Along with our 3-4 year commander Captain Danny Ross. I gotta say for the G/E fans who are leaving, you may not know what you're missing.

But for those who are sticking around CI like me!

Here's what's going to happen: It's going to be like old times again. (except it's not joining to be G/E) Seasons 1-4, with Jeff Goldblum, Shaffron Burrows, and whoever replaces Eric Bogosian. Finally we don't have to swap around episodes anymore!

True yeah were going to me Vincent D'Onofrio and Kathryn Erbe, with Eric Bogosian [aw boo-hoo sad.gif] GET OVER IT!
They are leaving and they are not coming back or if they do not as regular characters! Just like people said Logan, Fallaci, Barek, Kent, Carver, Deakins, Bishop would come back!

Now this leaves my orginial question: What do you want to see next season of the Goldblum/Burrows team.
jcsavestheday
I want to see it continue to be a Law adn Order show. Humor is fine, quirkiness is fine. I just want to see solid episodes of Criminal Intent.
cat lady
You can take Goldbloom and what's her name and drop kick them into the Hudson River now that would be entertainment.
CharleneSVU
QUOTE (jcsavestheday @ Sep 26 2009, 03:48 PM) *
I want to see it continue to be a Law adn Order show. Humor is fine, quirkiness is fine. I just want to see solid episodes of Criminal Intent.


"Now, ain't that a time?!" - Andy Griffith

Me too, though I'll miss G/E


QUOTE (cat lady @ Sep 26 2009, 05:34 PM) *
You can take Goldbloom and what's her name and drop kick them into the Hudson River now that would be entertainment.


Ohh, that's harsh!
heartbrokenfan
QUOTE (cat lady @ Sep 26 2009, 05:34 PM) *
You can take Goldbloom and what's her name and drop kick them into the Hudson River now that would be entertainment.

I'll bring the popcorn!
Wallyhorse
Talk about hate in some cases:

I know people are upset about VDO and Kathryn leaving, but they did have eight solid years on "CI," and it might also be no longer worth it for them to continue. I suspect the show will do well with Jeff Goldblum and Saffron Burrows (and remember, we could still have a second team put in place, and if so it would not surprise me if they got Ice-T to move from "SVU" to "CI," with if so Tutuola perhaps also promoted to Sargent, but regardless with Fin becoming lead detective in that scenario.
heartbrokenfan
I don't hate , I hate that he's being shoved down our throats and that my faves are being ousted as a result. It's happened on other shows I watch and I'm tired of it. Given what I've been reading here and elsewhere, I'm not alone.
ciaddict
I've been ignoring the not very complimentary comments about Jeff Goldblum and Saffron Burrows on the other threads, even though it seems harsh to blame them for something that is obviously the producers and the network decision. I understand people are grieving and angry and are going to lash out (even if it is the wrong person). That's fine. But Charlene wanted to start a nice thread to discuss positive things about the show continuing with these two actors. I am going to ask that you all respect that please. If you see nothing positive about the change or about either of these actors, fine. There area about 20,000 other threads to have your say. No one is forcing you to open this thread or read the posts. So, as Thumper says: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

Thank you.
Outerbankschick
I have to echo CIaddict's comments. It's not fair to bash JG and SB. Bash TPTB all you want (in the appropriate threads, not this one). It's their fault.

I know nothing about SB, however, JG is a fine actor. It's not his fault this decision was made. So cut the poor guy some slack, huh?
Teresa1643
QUOTE (Outerbankschick @ Sep 26 2009, 08:08 PM) *
I have to echo CIaddict's comments. It's not fair to bash JG and SB. Bash TPTB all you want (in the appropriate threads, not this one). It's their fault.

I know nothing about SB, however, JG is a fine actor. It's not his fault this decision was made. So cut the poor guy some slack, huh?

I enjoyed the Goren/Eames episodes and I'll continue to enjoy them in reruns for many years to come, but I love Jeff Goldblum (Anyone else catch him playing Battleship on the Colbert Show the other night?) and as long as he stays with the show I'll be a loyal viewer. Considering how the split was done with different leads for the past few seasons, I don't think it will be a problem for the show to continue with Nichols and his new partner alone. With the shorter cable season it's not that demanding of a schedule. Naturally they're going to lose some of their audience, but with the right promotion and scheduling they should be able to make up for the loss. We'll find out in March, I suppose.
Wallyhorse
QUOTE (Teresa1643 @ Sep 26 2009, 11:55 PM) *
I enjoyed the Goren/Eames episodes and I'll continue to enjoy them in reruns for many years to come, but I love Jeff Goldblum (Anyone else catch him playing Battleship on the Colbert Show the other night?) and as long as he stays with the show I'll be a loyal viewer. Considering how the split was done with different leads for the past few seasons, I don't think it will be a problem for the show to continue with Nichols and his new partner alone. With the shorter cable season it's not that demanding of a schedule. Naturally they're going to lose some of their audience, but with the right promotion and scheduling they should be able to make up for the loss. We'll find out in March, I suppose.


And I suspect by March-early April (as I think by then USA Network may realize it would be smarter to run all 16 episodes was done this past season), I suspect some of those steaming now over VDO's departure in particular will realize that it is still "Criminal Intent" and won't leave after all (and if all 16 episodes do run together, with an April 11 premiere to avoid on April 4 having an episode air directly opposite the "two-headed monster" of the national semifinals of the NCAA Women's Basketball Tournament on ESPN and the Major League Baseball season-opening game on ESPN2 that as of now is widely expected to be Yankees-Red Sox, which is the biggest rivalry in all of sports as the Yanks actually open and close next season in Fenway Park against the Red Sox).

As said in another thread here, I do think a lot of this had to do with NBC-Universal (parent of Wolf Productions) having to break the bank to pay Chris Meloni and Mariska to stay on "SVU," a show NBC could ill-afford to lose due to it being the higest-rated returning series NBC has this season. That, coupled with severely decreased ad dollars and skyrocketing production costs (in general, a big reason NBC went with Leno on weeknights at 10:00 PM ET/PT) likely forced NBC-Universal to cut the salaries of VDO and KE, who balked and that was why they left.
Outerbankschick
I don't agree that VDO fans will decide it's still the same show, however there will be some people who will tune in because they still enjoy the "intent", if indeed they keep it that way. If it continues to be like Revolution and Major Case, it may have a chance. If all the eps are more like Rock Star and Passion, not so much. Not that they were not good episodes, but they were pretty obvious and a little to "light" where CI is concerned. So we'll see, I suppose.

globetrottersara
I agree with OBC.
SecretPhoenix
Some fine points have been made, many of which i agree with. The actors who remain on the show should not be dis-regarded or copped with criticism. We know how much it hurt when V'do was constantly criticised for his work. And its definatly not JG fault V'do and KE are leaving.

However, I dont think we Goren/Eames fans should 'get over it'. We dont need to get over it. Goren and Eames started this show. And have been with it 8 very long years. It is easy to become attached.

And whilst some may argue that it will continue to be the same Criminal Intent, we will have to wait and see. They want CI to become 'lighter' and if that happens, it wont be the same Criminal Intent. It will be very very different to the show we watched for the last 8 seasons.

Everyone has the right to stay and everyone has the right to stop watching this show. With great sadness we all might add..

For myself, personally, i wont 'get over' this quickly. Just like every change it takes time. I will, however, stop watching. For me this show was about the crime, the intent and the characters - Goren and Eames.

For those who will continue watching, I hope it is enjoyable

biggrin.gif




InfinityStar
QUOTE (Wallyhorse @ Sep 26 2009, 11:46 PM) *
And I suspect by March-early April (as I think by then USA Network may realize it would be smarter to run all 16 episodes was done this past season), I suspect some of those steaming now over VDO's departure in particular will realize that it is still "Criminal Intent" and won't leave after all


I wouldn't hold my breath for this to happen, Wally. Those of us who are "steaming" over VDO's departure are not likely to "get over it" nor are we likely to be very forgiving. I hope you enjoy your show. With Goren gone, it's no longer mine.
SecretPhoenix
QUOTE (InfinityStar @ Sep 27 2009, 05:43 AM) *
I wouldn't hold my breath for this to happen, Wally. Those of us who are "steaming" over VDO's departure are not likely to "get over it" nor are we likely to be very forgiving. I hope you enjoy your show. With Goren gone, it's no longer mine.


Totally agree InfinityStar!
ciaddict
I agree that the "get over it" was a bit insensitive. Many, many people will never "get over it"....and for those who will, it's much too soon. I expect there will be a shift and they have pretty much written off a huge portion of their fan base. There will be some like me, who will stick with the show....or at least give it a chance. And there will be new viewers brought in by Jeff....although, I would think those people have already started watching. I can't comment on Saffron Burrows. I know it says she was in "My Own Worst Enemy", but I just can't place her, not even seeing her character's name on IMDb. I don't know if that is a comment on her or on the show that I only watched a handful of times (I'm thinking it was the show...I really wanted to like it but just never really "bonded" with it).

It may even be too soon to try to get some support for Jeff going...that's why I haven't bumped up his thread and tried my cheerleader routine. But since this thread was started by one of his fans, I just wanted to make sure that it stays safe from any Jeff or Saffron-bashing.
jr003
QUOTE (InfinityStar @ Sep 27 2009, 05:43 AM) *
I wouldn't hold my breath for this to happen, Wally. Those of us who are "steaming" over VDO's departure are not likely to "get over it" nor are we likely to be very forgiving. I hope you enjoy your show. With Goren gone, it's no longer mine.


couldn't agree with you more!!! mad.gif
scarletbegonia
I certainly don't blame Jeff Goldblum. He's just out there doing his thing. He's an aquired taste, as is D'Onofrio. Kudos to those who will be able to stick with the show after the main players who helped build it are gone. I think I speak for many of us when I say that I am so invested in Goren and Eames and they were such strong and sympathetic characters. That it will be painful to watch the world of LOCI turn without them. But it's certainly not a Goldblum hate thing.
vfiler
QUOTE (InfinityStar @ Sep 27 2009, 06:43 AM) *
I wouldn't hold my breath for this to happen, Wally. Those of us who are "steaming" over VDO's departure are not likely to "get over it" nor are we likely to be very forgiving. I hope you enjoy your show. With Goren gone, it's no longer mine.


Exactly! I have a feeling next year when it comes renewal time for this show Jeff G fans might just
have to "get over it" if the show is canceled . Since I now know what it feels like I will be a little
more sympathetic. It's now your show......enjoy it while it lasts. I had 8 great seasons I wouldn't
trade for anything.
heartbrokenfan
QUOTE (InfinityStar @ Sep 27 2009, 06:43 AM) *
I wouldn't hold my breath for this to happen, Wally. Those of us who are "steaming" over VDO's departure are not likely to "get over it" nor are we likely to be very forgiving. I hope you enjoy your show. With Goren gone, it's no longer mine.

Amen, and keep those fan fics coming. You're what's gotten me through this weekend.
___Kerli___
*raises hand wildly* ME! ME!

++++

I also agree wtih Cia, and OBC.

This IS still going to be CI, G/E there or not.

Jeff is the main part of the show now, and he was half before.

If we all leave because of G/E going away... We're not real CI fans are we?

think about it.

___kerli___

P.S. GOOO JEFF!!!
CharleneSVU
Folks here me out for a minute

Maybe I shouldn't have said "get over it", but at the time I couldn't choose a better choice of words at the time. I WAS MAD! VDO, KE, JN, AND EB are leaving!

But what I was really mad about is How people judge future CI episodes just because they like/hate Jeff Goldblum and/or Saffron Burrows! BOTH Jeff Goldblum and Saffron Burrows are multi-talented actors! And even the person who will replace Eric Bogosian!

I hate when you guys judge people or episodes before they even air! Who knows? CI could have a great 9th season and we could expect a 10th with Goldblum/Burrows as the dectectives! Look at Law & Order, 20 years and over the years it's done the same thing CI is doing now!
___Kerli___
QUOTE (CharleneSVU @ Sep 27 2009, 12:41 PM) *
Folks here me out for a minute

Maybe I shouldn't have said "get over it", but at the time I couldn't choose a better choice of words at the time. I WAS MAD! VDO, KE, JN, AND EB are leaving!

But what I was really mad about is How people judge future CI episodes just because they like/hate Jeff Goldblum and/or Saffron Burrows! BOTH Jeff Goldblum and Saffron Burrows are multi-talented actors! And even the person who will replace Eric Bogosian!

I hate when you guys judge people or episodes before they even air! Who knows? CI could have a great 9th season and we could expect a 10th with Goldblum/Burrows as the dectectives! Look at Law & Order, 20 years and over the years it's done the same thing CI is doing now!

Oh yes I agree!!

The original L&O doesn't have even ONE of the same charecters from when it originally aired, and yet it's still going strong.

I have a good feeling Jeff is going to do VERY good this season.

I've never watched anything with S. Burrows in it, but she sounds like a good actor. smile.gif

___Kerli___
heartbrokenfan
QUOTE (CharleneSVU @ Sep 27 2009, 01:41 PM) *
Folks here me out for a minute

Maybe I shouldn't have said "get over it", but at the time I couldn't choose a better choice of words at the time. I WAS MAD! VDO, KE, JN, AND EB are leaving!

But what I was really mad about is How people judge future CI episodes just because they like/hate Jeff Goldblum and/or Saffron Burrows! BOTH Jeff Goldblum and Saffron Burrows are multi-talented actors! And even the person who will replace Eric Bogosian!

I hate when you guys judge people or episodes before they even air! Who knows? CI could have a great 9th season and we could expect a 10th with Goldblum/Burrows as the dectectives! Look at Law & Order, 20 years and over the years it's done the same thing CI is doing now!

You may not agree with me, but Goren and Eames were the heart of the show. If the heart is being cut out, it's just never the same. I have nothing against because I do enjoy him in other things, and I don't know the other actress from Adam, but if the reason I started watching CI was Goren and Eames, and the reason I continued watching CI was Goren and Eames, the reason I will stop watching is Goren and Eames. I am not going to invest time and energy in a show that treats it's fans so badly, not to mention the way they are treating the actors who made this show what it is. Besides which, Nichols came off as Goren light to me. I'd rather have the real thing that a wannabe.
___Kerli___
QUOTE (heartbrokenfan @ Sep 27 2009, 12:51 PM) *
You may not agree with me, but Goren and Eames were the heart of the show. If the heart is being cut out, it's just never the same. I have nothing against because I do enjoy him in other things, and I don't know the other actress from Adam, but if the reason I started watching CI was Goren and Eames, and the reason I continued watching CI was Goren and Eames, the reason I will stop watching is Goren and Eames. I am not going to invest time and energy in a show that treats it's fans so badly, not to mention the way they are treating the actors who made this show what it is

Think of davy jones. lol.

he was still living... and he was still a.... what am i trying to say? yes i know now. rude, mean, cruel person.

i have complete trust in Jeff.

Yes i started watching because of Bobby... but eventually everything/ everybody has to move on. it's life.

leave if you must. If you think it will help.

___Kerli____
heartbrokenfan
QUOTE (___Kerli___ @ Sep 27 2009, 01:45 PM) *
Oh yes I agree!!

The original L&O doesn't have even ONE of the same charecters from when it originally aired, and yet it's still going strong.

___Kerli___

and that's exactly who I no longer watch the mothership. I don't know the characters anymore and it just doesn't feel right. Yes, I sat through many years of changing casts, but CI is not the mothership and the whole premise of CI is dfferent than LO
___Kerli___
QUOTE (heartbrokenfan @ Sep 27 2009, 12:54 PM) *
and that's exactly who I no longer watch the mothership. I don't know the characters anymore and it just doesn't feel right. Yes, I sat through many years of changing casts, but CI is not the mothership and the whole premise of CI is dfferent than LO


fine by me.

i just don't want this show canned, IMHO.


___Kerli___

…the journey doesn’t end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take. The grey rain curtain of this world rolls back and all turns to silver glass. And then you see it… white shores, and beyond, the far green country under a swift sunrise.

~~Gandalf ~~ The return of the king.
heartbrokenfan
QUOTE (___Kerli___ @ Sep 27 2009, 01:53 PM) *
Think of davy jones. lol.

he was still living... and he was still a.... what am i trying to say? yes i know now. rude, mean, cruel person.

i have complete trust in Jeff.

Yes i started watching because of Bobby... but eventually everything/ everybody has to move on. it's life.

leave if you must. If you think it will help.

___Kerli____

Thank you for giving me permission to do what I planned on doing. I wasn't aware I needed permission to stop watching, but thanks for giving it.
CharleneSVU
QUOTE (heartbrokenfan @ Sep 27 2009, 01:51 PM) *
You may not agree with me, but Goren and Eames were the heart of the show. If the heart is being cut out, it's just never the same. I have nothing against because I do enjoy him in other things, and I don't know the other actress from Adam, but if the reason I started watching CI was Goren and Eames, and the reason I continued watching CI was Goren and Eames, the reason I will stop watching is Goren and Eames. I am not going to invest time and energy in a show that treats it's fans so badly, not to mention the way they are treating the actors who made this show what it is


All what you said is so true, but Jeff and Saffron may turn the show around! Who knows?
heartbrokenfan
QUOTE (___Kerli___ @ Sep 27 2009, 01:56 PM) *
fine by me.

i just don't want this show canned, IMHO.


___Kerli___

…the journey doesn’t end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take. The grey rain curtain of this world rolls back and all turns to silver glass. And then you see it… white shores, and beyond, the far green country under a swift sunrise.

~~Gandalf ~~ The return of the king.

Then watch it. If it is good, it will bring in new viewers, if not, the show is over. I just think that USA and those who made the decisions will see just what the majority of viewers really want.
vfiler
QUOTE (heartbrokenfan @ Sep 27 2009, 01:54 PM) *
and that's exactly who I no longer watch the mothership. I don't know the characters anymore and it just doesn't feel right. Yes, I sat through many years of changing casts, but CI is not the mothership and the whole premise of CI is dfferent than LO


Heartbrokenfan I agree. The handful of people who are actually excited about the change are VERY
low (maybe 8 or so posters).I am not a fan of all three law and order shows. I just liked CI because
of the characters of Goren & Eames. To say it will survive because all the other law and order have
is not true. CI was always much more character oriented thats why I watched......just my opinion.
CharleneSVU
QUOTE (heartbrokenfan @ Sep 27 2009, 02:02 PM) *
Then watch it. If it is good, it will bring in new viewers, if not, the show is over. I just think that USA and those who made the decisions will see just what the majority of viewers really want.


Yes, but do the viewers want another L&O spinoff? Mike Ausiello says Dick's getting back in the game to create another spinoff ???????
Vincentsgal
Whatever the show is after VDO/Kate/Eric leave it will NOT be 'Criminal Intent' - that would be the show that was originally written for an actor called Vincent D'Onofrio, someone Dick Wolf went looking for. I gather USA want 'fluff'...er...'lighter' shows, so perhaps they could rename it 'Law and Order: Comedy Intended'

I can assure you those of us still steaming over the appalling treatment being handed out to founder cast members who've had their loyalty of 8 years repaid by being shoved out the door, will certainly not forgive or forget who is responsible (USA!), and we will not be there to watch once G/E have left. I haven't seen any suggestion anywhere that this dastardly plot has anything at all to do with Mr Jeff Goldblum. He's probably as appalled as the rest of us!!

I sincerely hope that Jeff is tied to at least a 2-year contract and that USA have to keep paying him, long after the show has tanked; which won't take long. Ah, the sweet taste of revenge smile.gif
CharleneSVU
QUOTE (Vincentsgal @ Sep 27 2009, 02:15 PM) *
Whatever the show is after VDO/Kate/Eric leave it will NOT be 'Criminal Intent' - that would be the show that was originally written for an actor called Vincent D'Onofrio, someone Dick Wolf went looking for. I gather USA want 'fluff'...er...'lighter' shows, so perhaps they could rename it 'Law and Order: Comedy Intended'

I can assure you those of us still steaming over the appalling treatment being handed out to founder cast members who've had their loyalty of 8 years repaid by being shoved out the door, will certainly not forgive or forget who is responsible (USA!), and we will not be there to watch once G/E have left. I haven't seen any suggestion anywhere that this dastardly plot has anything at all to do with Mr Jeff Goldblum. He's probably as appalled as the rest of us!!

I sincerely hope that Jeff is tied to at least a 2-year contract and that USA have to keep paying him, long after the show has tanked; which won't take long. Ah, the sweet taste of revenge smile.gif



I'm just hoping its all lies!!!! Vincent, Kathryn, Julianne, and Eric aren't leaving its an early April Fools joke! sad.gif
___Kerli___
QUOTE (CharleneSVU @ Sep 27 2009, 01:21 PM) *
I'm just hoping its all lies!!!! Vincent, Kathryn, Julianne, and Eric aren't leaving its an early April Fools joke! sad.gif


I'm looking on NBC's site...

ROTFL.
they still have falacci on the LOCI page on NBC.com

and why can't i find a news article on this VDO thing on NBC.com.

Help there perhaps?

___Kerli___
___Kerli___
QUOTE (CharleneSVU @ Sep 27 2009, 01:21 PM) *
I'm just hoping its all lies!!!! Vincent, Kathryn, Julianne, and Eric aren't leaving its an early April Fools joke! sad.gif

Yea what if this is just like when somebody told the world that Jeff Goldblum had died?

very unlikely... but a funny thought. lol. tongue.gif

but i DO hope...

___Kerli___

YES i know VDO is leaving!!
CharleneSVU
QUOTE (___Kerli___ @ Sep 27 2009, 02:27 PM) *
Yea what if this is just like when somebody told the world that Jeff Goldblum had died?

very unlikely... but a funny thought. lol. tongue.gif

but i DO hope...

___Kerli___

YES i know VDO is leaving!!



Yeah, when MJ died everybody did! LOL smile.gif
___Kerli___
QUOTE (CharleneSVU @ Sep 27 2009, 02:30 PM) *
Yeah, when MJ died everybody did! LOL smile.gif

I remember my mother told me there were rumors Jeff had died... but she said they were fake.

And isn't it just WEIRD how i can't reallly find an article on this issue on NBC.com? or am i just not looking hard enough.

hm... I wonder...

Charlene.... You've made me a partial doubter now..

Okay i googled it!

There's a bunch of sites on this news... but none of them I trust.

hm...

lol.

dont' listen to me. i'm wrong. smile.gif

___Kerli___
InfinityStar
QUOTE (heartbrokenfan @ Sep 27 2009, 11:58 AM) *
Amen, and keep those fan fics coming. You're what's gotten me through this weekend.


Aw, thanks...I'm glad I've helped :-) Yeah, there's more coming. As I pointed out before, a great many wonderful shows that are no longer in production are being kept alive by fans, at least through ff. I will do my part for Goren and Eames.
InfinityStar
QUOTE (CharleneSVU @ Sep 27 2009, 12:41 PM) *
Folks here me out for a minute

Maybe I shouldn't have said "get over it", but at the time I couldn't choose a better choice of words at the time. I WAS MAD! VDO, KE, JN, AND EB are leaving!

But what I was really mad about is How people judge future CI episodes just because they like/hate Jeff Goldblum and/or Saffron Burrows! BOTH Jeff Goldblum and Saffron Burrows are multi-talented actors! And even the person who will replace Eric Bogosian!

I hate when you guys judge people or episodes before they even air! Who knows? CI could have a great 9th season and we could expect a 10th with Goldblum/Burrows as the dectectives! Look at Law & Order, 20 years and over the years it's done the same thing CI is doing now!


I agree with you that Jeff Goldblum is a good actor. I have absolutely nothing against him.

The mothership is a very different show than CI. It has survived because it is about the cases and not about the cast. Aside from Lennie Briscoe, Mike Logan and Jack McCoy, I never developed any real feelings for any of the cast. It is intentionally a "In tonight's episode, (insert detectives here) solve the murder of a..." show, more or less designed to survive casting changes. Criminal Intent was never, ever designed to be that way. CI was developed around a single character, a single actor. And that character/actor is Robert Goren/Vincent D'Onofrio. Without Goren, it is a different show, carrying the same name. Over the last 8 years, CI has built a huge, loyal fan base, mostly devoted to Goren. That's just the way it is. I am not judging the new CI, just stating the truth about a show I love that lasted eight seasons, plus one two-part episode. If I want to watch cops solve a case, then I will watch Law and Order, or SVU, or any other of the many cop shows out there. I watched CI not because I wanted to see cops solve a case. I knew they were going to solve a case. I always watched CI because I wanted to see Goren solve a case. If CI: Nichols continues for another five seasons, I'm happy for the show and its new fanbase. I predict that won't happen. It doesn't matter to me one way or another. The Criminal Intent I have been devoted to ends with Goren's departure and mine.
Outerbankschick
QUOTE (InfinityStar @ Sep 27 2009, 05:29 PM) *
Aw, thanks...I'm glad I've helped :-) Yeah, there's more coming. As I pointed out before, a great many wonderful shows that are no longer in production are being kept alive by fans, at least through ff. I will do my part for Goren and Eames.


Everyone please check out the thread to "save the real Criminal Intent". There is information there to help you get in touch with Bonnie Hammer at USA and VOICE YOUR OPINION about this!! If nothing has been signed just yet, we've got a very small window to make a difference...but it's a window. The suggestion is to do something today or Monday...do not wait!! Let's show them how much we love our show and that we absolutely DO NOT want them to change it...nor do we want them to kick out the two people who have made it what it is!
heartbrokenfan
QUOTE (InfinityStar @ Sep 27 2009, 05:29 PM) *
Aw, thanks...I'm glad I've helped :-) Yeah, there's more coming. As I pointed out before, a great many wonderful shows that are no longer in production are being kept alive by fans, at least through ff. I will do my part for Goren and Eames.

I may take the plunge and write. It's been awhile since I've dabbled. I've outlined a couple of stories but I am really worried about my canon.
LOCInumber1fan
QUOTE (ciaddict @ Sep 26 2009, 10:59 PM) *
I've been ignoring the not very complimentary comments about Jeff Goldblum and Saffron Burrows on the other threads, even though it seems harsh to blame them for something that is obviously the producers and the network decision. I understand people are grieving and angry and are going to lash out (even if it is the wrong person). That's fine. But Charlene wanted to start a nice thread to discuss positive things about the show continuing with these two actors. I am going to ask that you all respect that please. If you see nothing positive about the change or about either of these actors, fine. There area about 20,000 other threads to have your say. No one is forcing you to open this thread or read the posts. So, as Thumper says: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

Thank you.


::clapping, proudly::


QUOTE (SecretPhoenix @ Sep 27 2009, 05:15 AM) *
Some fine points have been made, many of which i agree with. The actors who remain on the show should not be dis-regarded or copped with criticism. We know how much it hurt when V'do was constantly criticised for his work. And its definatly not JG fault V'do and KE are leaving.

However, I dont think we Goren/Eames fans should 'get over it'. We dont need to get over it. Goren and Eames started this show. And have been with it 8 very long years. It is easy to become attached.


I agree with you there, SecretPhoenix. I won't 'get over it'... But I'll cope... somehow... I am VERY attached.... I was viewing 'Goren' as a REAL person, even though I know deep down, that VDO is an actor, pretending to be Goren.... Yes. I am pathetic! But, I'll see how the 'NEW' show is when it airs next year... I think I saw Saffron Burrows before... Yes! (in 'Deep Blue Sea') Was she the one that jumped in the water and got eaten by the shark in the end? Jurassic Park is my favorite movie, so Jeff Goldblum is kind of yes, yes, yes in my book... cool.gif ... I am willing to give Saffron a chance...

I truly do LOVE Goren!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a true CI fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! biggrin.gif blink.gif cool.gif



Vincentsgal
I wonder why USA haven't updated the LOCI board front page here with the 'great' news that they've dumped most of the cast and killed the show??!


Maybe someone could tell me what a 'true' C.I. fan is?! I always thought I was one, but apparently, when I follow Vincent out the door, this means I'm not a 'true' C.I. fan. Gee, and I've been there since day one of 'ONE', stuck with C.I. thru writer's strikes, Jamey and Courtney leaving, Kate's pregnancy, Noth coming and going. I've seen the 'passing of Annabella, Alicia and Julianne, Goldblum arriving, seasons being given a start date that then changed by 6 months at the last minute, sudden 'breaks' in the schedule and G/E episodes being shown out of order which mightily screwed with the continuity of things. Through it all, I've been there, for the last 8 years, because there has been one 'constant' ; he's called Vincent D'Onofrio. When Vincent goes, the show is DEAD, so 'whither he goes, I will follow'. Does that make me less of a C.I. fan? Talk to me in another 8 years of C.I - although I doubt C.I. will last 8 shows without it's heartbeat.


As you can see, I'm still really struggling to come to terms with this - probably because it still SUCKS! blink.gif
heartbrokenfan
QUOTE (Vincentsgal @ Sep 28 2009, 07:38 AM) *
I wonder why USA haven't updated the LOCI board front page here with the 'great' news that they've dumped most of the cast and killed the show??!


Maybe someone could tell me what a 'true' C.I. fan is?! I always thought I was one, but apparently, when I follow Vincent out the door, this means I'm not a 'true' C.I. fan. Gee, and I've been there since day one of 'ONE', stuck with C.I. thru writer's strikes, Jamey and Courtney leaving, Kate's pregnancy, Noth coming and going. I've seen the 'passing of Annabella, Alicia and Julianne, Goldblum arriving, seasons being given a start date that then changed by 6 months at the last minute, sudden 'breaks' in the schedule and G/E episodes being shown out of order which mightily screwed with the continuity of things. Through it all, I've been there, for the last 8 years, because there has been one 'constant' ; he's called Vincent D'Onofrio. When Vincent goes, the show is DEAD, so 'whither he goes, I will follow'. Does that make me less of a C.I. fan? Talk to me in another 8 years of C.I - although I doubt C.I. will last 8 shows without it's heartbeat.


As you can see, I'm still really struggling to come to terms with this - probably because it still SUCKS! blink.gif

I hear ya. I'm getting really tired of the implication that I'm not a true CI fan
globetrottersara
I have already moved on to the fact that LOCI is virtually dead, as it's just a matter of time till we see VDO et al.'s send off. This doesn't mean I'm not a true fan. I also have followed the show from its very first episode. I went to the ordeal of finding people to tape the show for me when I was in Latin America and could only watch random reruns... I've always followed the show. And I'm also willing to stay for season 9, just out of curiousity. Maybe the send off won't be that bad? I don't know...
Not to mention, I did express my doubts regarding the effectiveness of any campaign fans can put up to try talk the network into reconsidering their decisions. However, I am willing to join a campaign if I can.
I am very disappointed in the network's decision, but I tell myself it's a TV show. There are definitely worst things in life than having a favorite TV show cancelled or completely changed in its original nature.

Do these words I just wrote mean that I am not a true fan? To some people, they might. But I don't mind. And I guess I will still consider myself a true fan.
TJara
I like Goldblum. All through the past season I have been a vocal supporter of his episodes, I have always watched and enjoyed both teams and I certainly don't have an issue with those that continue watching after they cut the main cast out. I do think Jeff can carry a show! However, I feel betrayed because of my aforementioned support of Jeff. I don't appreciate the way that the Network is treating VDO, KE & EB, and this is why I'm speaking up, and this is why I'd urge everybody, whether you're a Jeff fan or a Vincent fan to join this. Rene Balcer said of the mothership "We will not be ignored" and I think that's what we, the Criminal Intent fans who happen to like the whole show should put on our banner.
cat lady
I'm thinking back to an article from a couple of weeks ago where golbloom is quoted as saying how much he was looking forward to returning to the show to begin filming in a month or so, do you really beleive for a moment he didn't know he was the new lead and that everyone else had been let go? Are you so naive to think he couldn't possibly have been given the green light, please people, he has an agent and a manager, he knew and frankly that just makes me want to drop kick him even further into the Hudson. Anyone got a rock!!!!!!!
Kayne



I dont know how to do the link thing, but I came across this article...from Slate.


That Guy From Jurassic Park Would Like To Ask You a Few Questions
What is Jeff Goldblum doing on Law & Order?
By Nathan Heller
Posted Monday, Sept. 28, 2009, at 12:26 PM ET

It was recently confirmed that Vincent D'Onofrio, who has played Detective Bobby Goren on Law & Order: Criminal Intent since the show's inception, will leave at the start of the ninth season. Jeff Goldblum, who joined the crime procedural earlier this year, will instead take the helm as Law & Order: Criminal Intent's male lead. Soon after Goldblum's debut, Nathan Heller suggested that the big-screen star of Jurassic Park and Independence Day was a welcome but completely subversive influence on Law & Order's long-established style. The article is reprinted below.

Hardworking American, you are having a bad day. You dropped your cell phone in the sink this morning, used the bleach detergent on your colored laundry, got sneezed on while waiting at the drugstore checkout. If ever a person deserved an hour of mindless television, you are that person. You sigh. You wake your DVR. You call up Law & Order: Criminal Intent. Zoned out with New York's finest, swaddled in your favorite couch pillows, you feel, at last, protected from the day's unkind surprises. Or do you? Something weird is happening on your screen. You blink, then double-blink. You wonder: What is Jeff Goldblum doing on my show?

That is the question millions of Americans asked, or should have asked, beginning earlier this spring, when Goldblum replaced Chris Noth on the eighth season of the crime procedural. The question has an easy answer: Goldblum plays Detective Zack Nichols, a wily shamus with a murky past who serves justice and limp wisecracks to the city's worst criminal offenders. But that is not a satisfying response. The real question is what Jeff Goldblum, a guy who cannot for the life of him come off as a gritty, self-serious human being, is doing in the citadel of gritty, self-serious human beings. And why is he smirking? What's so funny? To see Jeff Goldblum on the screen these days is to be confronted by a topsy-turvy version of the show you planned to watch.

We all know Goldblum is a quirky guy. But it's rare that quirkiness is so starkly at odds with its surroundings. Law & Order has existed in one flavor or another for just short of 20 years; the recipe is as golden as a Wonka chocolate bar and basically unchanged since the ascendancy of Hammer pants. Our overcoated heroes beat the New York pavement in pursuit of heinous criminals, trawling from lavish townhouses to grim walk-ups and keeping countless coffee carts solvent along the way. Criminal Intent is the series' most eccentric flavor, blending a high tolerance for idiosyncrasy (Vincent D'Onofrio's Detective Robert Goren gets more fitful, obsessive, and shabby-looking with each season) with a low attention span for jurisprudence. But Goldblum exceeds even these allowances. The latest season doesn't come across as Law & Order with Jeff Goldblum cast as a police dick. It comes across as an oblique, high-irony parody of Law & Order with Jeff Goldblum playing both the premise and the punch line.

His weirdness works from outside in. For reasons unknown, Nichols generally eschews the customary overcoat in favor of—in one key episode—a ski parka over a leather jacket over a fleece over a tie over a shirt, performing a number of his civil duties with his arms hanging slightly out and down, like a 4-year-old bundled up for a snow fight. In warmer climes, he glides behind his colleagues with his hands stuck in his pockets and a wan, dubious grin imprinted on his face. Words are exchanged. The words are normal Law & Order words, but you wouldn't know it: Goldblum turns dialogue inside-out with stylized speech and a range of pregnant pauses, looping his eyes around the room with each caesura as if tracking an imagined hummingbird.

It's hard to regard Law & Order through the usual lens of gray sobriety when its leading man is seen (for instance) doodling a giant eye on a legal pad instead of poring over case files. Yet Goldblum's subversion reaches past these eccentricities. When he turns the show's clunky punch lines on themselves—or when he grins impishly into the camera—he is doing something Law & Order characters aren't supposed to do: He is communicating with a world outside Law & Order.

For several years now, Jeff Goldblum's hallmark has been to play Jeff Goldblum characters as people who realize they're living on a screen. By talking just a bit too loudly, by holding smiles a bit too long, by dwelling on his vowels and feathering his T's with drama-school affectedness, he keeps us from suspending disbelief. And the net effect is irony: Even as the Goldblum body plays its role out on the screen, the Goldblum mind is pondering the episode right beside us, poking fun and throwing monkey wrenches where it can. The result is, not infrequently, brilliant. Recall Goldblum as preening oceanographer Alistair Hennessey in Wes Anderson's The Life Aquatic (2004):

Hennessey's behavior is so stylized, he seems to be responding not just to the other characters but to the presence of the movie camera itself. For the typical Law & Order viewer, though, Goldblum's style probably comes as something of a surprise. In the blockbuster films for which he is best known—Independence Day, Jurassic Park—his excesses were buffered and explained away by the tech-whiz parts he always seemed to play: Quirky behavior is nothing strange if you are a mad scientist.

Lately, Goldblum's role selection has gone scattershot. No more is he typecast as an inventor (The Fly), a chaos theorist (Jurassic Park), a cable engineer (Independence Day), and the like; instead, he shows up as a white-collar thug, a comedian Holocaust survivor, and a dog-faced CIA agent. These recent roles are colored more by Jeff Goldblum's distinctive touch than Jeff Goldblum is by their demands. To go see a Goldblum movie these days is to wonder what Goldblum will make of it. This stylized presence sets him up to be a more nuanced, distinctive actor—even as it narrows the pool of parts that can accommodate him.

If anybody knows this, it's Jeff Goldblum. In the 2006 faux documentary Pittsburgh, one of several recent indie film parts, Goldblum plays Jeff Goldblum trying to play Harold Hill in a small-time production of The Music Man, all so his Canadian lover can get a green card. (In a typically Goldblum-esque confluence of real life and performance, the situation is invented, but the actors are all playing themselves; their dialogue was largely made up on the spot.) On one hand, Pittsburgh is a spin on the mockumentary, a form that is already spun. But it's also a movie about the perils of trying to fit an outsize screen presence in a cookie-cutter role. As The Music Man's exasperated director puts it near the film's climax: "You can never not be Jeff Goldblum. You can never not bring your particular quirkiness or your particular eccentricity to it. But my job is to make sure we're all in the same play."

This pithy formulation is the problem facing Law & Order in a nutshell. In the past decade, Goldblum has gone from being a product of Hollywood—an actor best known for his dealings with dinosaurs, space aliens, and giant insect mutants—to an artist clawing at its boundaries. He's fun to watch on Criminal Intent, despite his ravages on the show's long-standing personality; his season has more than once nosed into the Top 10 in cable ratings. Part of the fun comes from watching an artist with a major-motion-picture style bring his talent to a more constrained form—like John Updike kicking off a crime thriller or Yo-Yo Ma attempting tango music. But there's also pleasure in seeing the formulaic behemoth of Law & Order tripped up and cast onto new, uncertain ground. Goldblum's irrepressibility, the sheer volume and variety of his performance, makes him one of the most interesting things to show up on Criminal Intent in years. Interesting is not the same as fitting, though. The show is going to have to grow a lot if it intends to hold him.


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