At first, I was in denial, because I was ready to believe Mr. Ausiello, then the Hollywood post. But someone on another forum showed it as a New York Times piece. It was early morning, and I couldn't sleep at all for crying. The crying was not only for the show but for the sheer stupidity of this decision. I was also still in denial somehow, thinking tomorrow they would say that the gossip-mongers got their facts dead wrong. I was also trying to get into the acceptance stage. I posted that it was time to start moving on if that was possible.

What really hit was when we learned from Dick Wolf's own mouth that Goren would leave in the two-part seasoin opener, then I felt fear that they would send off a hero badly--remember Logan? Just got up and left and we never saw him again.

I get mad every time I hear people supposite that they are making "LOCI" another "Monk." I don't believe that they will actually do this, but if they do it almost certainly will be a huge ass mistake.

What do you do when what you love most is being destroyed?

I believe that I am in shock still. Waiting (hoping) for news that Erbe has worked out a deal to stay on the show. I don't see that happening with VDO.

First I was shocked
Then I was sad
Now I am mad
I have a felling I will be mad for a LONG time.

I just read the news around 6 P.M., yesterday evening. I was in denial, still kind of am, hoping there is some way to get him back. Not that he is a proud person, but it would kind of be insulting if USA begged for his return after getting all the bad press. The only way he would consider it is for his fans. Now, I'm in the total depression stage and very angry, also. Still kind of in denial and disbelief, though.

I'm at the "sick-to-my-stomach" phase at the moment.
Angry and sad, too.

i'm broken hearted i love loci. when goren and eames are on.since they be gone, i want be watching loci any more.

This is rather insane, but I guess a good thing is that Vince is number 3 on yahoo searches today.

The upside of all this is that we'll see him/them in other works and all in all, leaving LOCI might not be such a bad thing for their careers I'm sure they'll find interesting projects and will work with people who really appreciate their talent.

I just logged on to yahoo and saw VDO was one of the top searches. My first thought was that maybe he was sick or had been hurt. Thankfully that was not true but the truth that he is leaving CI is almost as bad. Him and Katherine Earbe have made that show. They might as well change the name. It will never be the same. They are worth whatever they cost. I think a big mistake is being made. I will watch their exit and will watch for any guest appearances but that is all. My loyalty to the show is over. I'm angry and disappointed in the powers that be. How dare they. I was mad when they got rid of Courtney Vance as Carver to save money. They keep up the cost cutting and they will eventually put an end to what was a really good show.
I had to use this thread because I'm truly in mourning.

The show must go on. Its very sad that they are leaving the show (and the fact that Bogosian is leaving gives me some pause), but I hope that tings ultimately go well. Its kind of exciting in a way because it is like a whole new show getting a new start.

I guess that means that it will be starting with a new fanbase, too. I hope that some of you guys at least stick around the boards.

These are the five stages of grief, I think that a lot of us are going through this. Hopefully this will help you guys recognize and cope in this trying time.

Denial (this isn't happening to me!)- The cast isn't leaving. Its all a joke. The sources are wrong.
Anger (why is this happening to me?)- Why would (Dick Wolf, Rene Balcer, VDO, KE, EB, JG, TPTB, USA, NBCU, etc.) do this to the show, to their fans?
Bargaining (I promise I'll be a better person if...)-maybe if I pray, write letters to the parent company, show support for the show, the actors will come back.
Depression (I don't care anymore)- I don't care about the show any more.
Acceptance (I'm ready for whatever comes)

Wow, thanks for the reminder, JC.

::: singing dabadeee dabadahhh... dabadee DABDAAA... ::::

I haven't visited the forum in a while, but when I heard the news this morning I was so upset, I came to join in the "mourning"

Truth be told, I'm sure VDO is happy (depending on how they send off his character) with this, as it opens more room for additional roles. But as a huge Goren/Eames fan, it's just so sad that the producers think the show can go on without them. They really were the only 2 characters that could have carried the show for 9 years, and without them it will be hard to carry the show with new detectives (even though I do like Jeff Goldbloom - I like him better when he's on every other week )

I know that VDO loves doing movies, because he can move from one project to another that may be entirely different. He enjoys the changes. But he has made no secret of the fact that he did enjoy doing CI. I'm sure the steady paycheck was a bonus, too. He promised to stick with it "as long as they'll have me." I think his gracious statement and promise to his fans shows exactly how much of a class act he is.

That being said, CI survived the change in captains. It survived the loss of its ADA (without a replacement). It survived Logan's frequent change in partners and then his departure. But it will not survive the departure of Goren and Eames and, with them, the majority of its fan base.

I'll watch Goren's swan song (and get it from iTunes). If they let him pop in occasionally, I'll get those episodes from iTunes. Beyond that, I no longer care what happens to the show. USA has made its fatal error regarding Law and Order's red-headed stepchild. Honestly, CI never, ever got the respect it deserved, and Vincent doesn't get the recognition he so richly deserves for the work he has done.

Will I stick around the board? Maybe. Anyone who cares to knows how to get in touch with me. I certainly plan to keep the friends I have made here.

I'm still in shock. I cannot believe what total idiots the show programmers at USA are. I can already hear this awesome show's death throes. I'm a longtime admirer of D'Onofrio's, and my loyalty to him remains staunch. If those idiots push him out the door, I'll be right behind him.

LONG LIVE ROBERT GOREN!

Gypsy

What do you guys think of "Goren lives!" t-shirts?

I dealt with this by reading fan fics, which would still put me in denial mode because if it isn't in the fics, it hasn't happened, right?

I may tune in for any Bobby returns, although that will depend on how his departure is written. If they kill of Eames, a feeling I can't shake, my tv will have USA removed from my channel index. They will never see me again. A part of me doesn't even want to watch the final episode, because if I haven't seen it, it can't have happened (are you noticing to what lengths I'll go to stay in denial?)

I'm sorry everyone is taking this so hard. I really am. The show may have ended for some, but the actors will go on.. The Goren/Eames partnership will survive anything. I hope those that are suffering...(Unsteady, girl, you're taking this so bad...I feel for you as much as I feel for the show losing its stars)...will remember that LOCI will live on in our hearts, memories and Fan Fiction..(which , personally, is better writing then the current staff)...just have to keep our chins up and stop our lip from quivering and think of our own storylines....

All the saddness, remorse, and fatality that your feeling is normal, grief.. plain and simple..Grief. This too shall pass...

I so agree. I'm watching the marathon today and as much as I enjoy them there is this sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach. I guess thank God for re runs.

I'm getting high speed internet on Monday and would have been on much more. This news takes some of the joy out of that.




Kool. Maybe Goren and Eames live on




OMG perish the thought if they do that to either of them.

That sounds like a really good idea. Or about T-shirts or bumper stickers that say no, KE, No VDO, No Doink Doink or you you could just put a flat line underneath there names, meaning the show is going to die? What do you guys think? Or we could make a bunch of shirts like that and send tem in a container to TPTB at USA or Dick Wolf? :>

That's exactly what it's like, a pit in my stomach. I really thought I'd get no pleasure from watching the reruns at all, but Goren's genius sucked me right in.

This is gonna be even tougher than I thought.

hey guys,

i never fully realized my potential on this forum. i've lurked here for years only occassionally participated but have always enjoyed reading everyone's opinions and debates about goren and eames. i am sending love to everybody because this is just devastating and want you all to know that even tho i didn't participate much in the action on this board, you all have meant something to me.

to say that CI was my favorite show is an understatement. i have relished each and every episode and i adore vdo and erbe. in fact, i never realized how understated and wonderful an actress erbe was until i started watching the show. what an amazing team of characters, goren and eames, not to mention the actors. while i look forward to seeing them in future work, i am crushed that there won't be new episodes to watch them get their bad guy.

i'm also saddened that this is going to affect the amount of fanfiction written about goren and eames. i'm a fence sitter/shipper without much vested in them ever really getting together on the show. but i love reading about the possibility. i didn't know where else to post my thanks to all the great writers and my wish is that they'll still continue but i understand how this may be difficult. you'll never know how many hours i've spent in wonder and awe at the infinite possibilities that faced our heroes that you all created. i am in deep debt to you all. thank you.

one thing that i am wondering about, in today's economy many major movie actors have moved to television (i'm looking at you goldblum) because of the lure of the steady paycheck. i am always floored when i see another big time actor take a role away from a hard-working character actor. that being said, d'onofrio's work on CI has elevated his status and perhaps we'll see him again on another show? i'd like to think it's possible.

anyway, again, i appreciate having had this place to come to because you all have made it so great.

again, love and hugs,
jennifer

I don't want to lose this forum.

Honestly, I'm not sure. My first thought when this was just a rumor was that he quit. There was probably factors, like USA not offering enough money for him to stay. Both him and KE said back in April that staying was a combo of three things: paycheck, comfort zone, and characters. Take one or two out (don't know how great USA has been to them), and it may not have been worth it to them anymore.

I 100% agree with you on everything else. That show won't see another season with them gone.

Edited because I am now 100% they're leaving over money.

Hi Jennifer,

welcome on the board and thank you for the really nice message. I also enjoy reading fanfiction, though I haven't written any yet. I am glad you decided to join in, even though I would have preferred it happened on a lighter occasion. But the show and its future really seem to have affected so many of us, on different levels, that it is even more unbelievable that The Powers That Be never realized how steady, united and loyal LOCI fan base is. I came here about 2 months ago, so I'm fairly new myself. But I met some really great people and had a blast. I know right now some are in mourning. I wouldn't use the word morning in my case, but I definitely am saddened. I know a tv show has to end, sooner or later, but I don't like the way the thing is being handled, the actors are being treated. Some are 'amicably sent out', some are left in there on a sinking ship. I guess if Goldblum joined LOCI for a steady income, he might have joined another show, as I don;t think the future ratings will grant him such a steady career at 1PP, but this is my opinion and I could be proved wrong in a few month.
However, I think I will stay on the board... as long as they'll want me

-Sara

thanks so much sara. like i said, it's really great to be a part of this community.

you might be quite right about goldblum's paycheck, heh. it's too bad really because i have liked his episodes (not as much as vdo's and erbe's tho). the only thing i can add is that i know some actors who live in LA. some of them have worked for television and know for a fact that these higher paid movie actors are taking TV roles because big movies are not raking in the same kind of dough they were even five years ago.

i just saw a commercial for a new series starring christian slater, his second in two years. laurence fishburne on CSI. and this doesn't even touch on the guest starring roles where in the past you would never see a movie star (on CI, in fact, Brooke shields & Lynn Redgrave).

it's a growing trend and while it is really great to see these guys on tv, and i'm not saying they shouldn't get the work, i do worry about the working television character actor. i guess it all points again to the possibility that maybe VDO could get another series. maybe? perhaps? please? i know that if was writing a series, i'd be writing one with him in mind, that's for sure!

Hey guys. I have been ranting all over the place. I think i may just be on here every day for a little rant. I am not handling the impending Goren/Eames departure very well. Ah well ranting might just be theraputic.

I started watching this show when i was 11. With the very first episode and bygod was it brilliant. Instead of whatever else kids at that age had up on their walls, i had Goren and Eames. Im now 19 and was crushed when i learnt that Goren and Eames were indeed departing the show.

*Starts Rant*

Would just like to point out to the Usanetwork, Nbc network and just any other person listening who thought it would be a brilliant idea to carry on this show without Goren and Eames -- That you have lost (at least part) of a ridiculously LOYAL fanbase. EIGHT years we have stood by. Through continuing storylines. Through changing air times and nights without notice! (Even if im in Australia, i still felt the pain! lol). Stood through the airing of episodes in wrong order. We stood by the show even through the critisism of it and its actors. We went through a change of network and writers changes. We stood through numerous cast changes and still watched with enthusiasim, completely in awh of these characters.

The main point. We all stayed and stood by this show. Thats loyalty to a show if i ever have seen it.

I hate to say, but this time you have lost me.

It started with 'One' and for me, it will end when Goren and Eames walk out the door.

*Stops Rant*

*Goes and sits in a corner*

I don't want to lose this forum, either. I lurked since Endgame aired and finally joined this past summer. I just realized, this morning, how profound an impact Bobby has had on me. I really only started watching in season 6 and I don't even think I was watching religiously until Endgame aired. So, for me, it has only been 3 seasons and I am totally hooked! Who else but Bobby can do that for you? I mean, I was sad when ER ended, but the show had clearly gone down the tubes for me w/ the loss of so many major players. With CI, it is still compelling and still has the original major players, and now the "real" show is being yanked from us after only 2 more eps? There is no time to grieve or let go.

First, I convinced myself not to feel so bad. After all, we go most of the year just watching marathons and reruns, then we only get half of a very short USA season w/ Bobby and Alex when the season actually does start. Hey, if season 9 doesn't start until March or April, we have time to let it sink in, the writers have time to work out a great ending, the network bigwigs have time to grovel back to Vincent and Kate to please come back, etc.

But, then, I think about a recent blurb where Jeff said they'll be getting back to work, soon. After last season, USA is notorious for airing eps out of the filming order, but, this year, I hope that really does happen. Let Jeff get back to work filming his own eps, and let the writers, producers, actors hash out how they want the 2-parter to go. Give them time to get together a decent farewell. But, alas, they'll probably film it fairly early on (not saying they couldn't go back and alter it, later) due to the fact that they all need to find new jobs. I guess it's kinda late for Kate and Eric to get any major TV roles for this season, since the fall season is already underway. But, I think they probably all want to get some personal closure w/ the show before moving onto other projects. We don't expect Eric to ever come back and don't know if Kate will agree to guest star w/ Vincent, so they probably want to just film the last ep and get out to find work.

So, now I'm really panicking. There's no real way to wrap things up w/ only 2 eps, but filming later in the season would at least give some thought to how things should end. I was thinking about those final scenes. I really don't think Bobby and Alex will leave together, professionally or otherwise. It's too storybook and, if Bobby returns for guest spots, he would have to keep saying, "Oh, Alex couldn't make it b/c..." (like they do on soaps all the time...like when a character is dying in the hospital and her mom can't fly in? sure). So, I think they really will separate, w/ Bobby moving closer to family to get some personal closure for the character. Alex will probably take another job offer after Bobby leaves, Ross will get transferred, etc.

So, assuming they're splitting up, I think we do deserve some sort of physical contact b/w them. Even if not shippy, c'mon, these two have been through a lot together. Some people feel that a hug would be out of place for the characters who never really touch each other. But, both are closed-off people who have always known that the other would be there. If they have to split up, I can't see just "bye" or "nice working w/ you" handshake, after really being each other's lives all these years. Sometimes, it seems they don't share a lot b/w them and don't know what is going on w/ the other, but they have been through so much. For me, even in a non-shippy manner, they would have to break down and really give a long, hard hug when faced w/ the idea that they may not cross paths, again. Otherwise, it just won't be enough. That's why I'm so sad that we won't have the whole season to watch them get closer before the final goodbye. Now, any ending we see will probably seem out of place, w/ only 2 eps.

Well, here are my stages to the horrible news:

1) I told myself "You knew this was coming"

2) Horrible apprehension on what's gonna be the B/A ending (just a two hours ep...)

3) Trying to take it easy, waiting for these six months to go by

4) Failing to take it easy ... Imagining endings in my head

5) A bit numb... just waiting in agony, hoping for a satisfying ending. But still imagining endings

6) Resigned to the fate of Goren and Eames while still hoping for a good ending (imagination still at work)

....... sorrow

That's kinda how it went for me, I admit, I didn't sleep well after hearing the news (that and watching the Dawn of the Dead remake didn't help much either). Now it's just a mixture of sadness and anger but I find that discussing the logics with like minded people helps a bit. I'll probably pass in a while but you know it'll come back to hit you like a ton of bricks in the spring.

First I was FURIOUS - it doesn't sound to me like it's the 'choice' of ANY of the actors, and I think it's shameful that they are being treated this way, ESPECIALLY the wonderous Vincent and Kate.

Then I was UPSET, so wept into my pillow for the first time in a loooooong time,

Now I'm just upset AND furious!!

The next sound you'll hear USA is the stomping of feet, leaving with Vincent.

I was doing so well today until I was forced to face the thought of these two separating . . .

Well, this fits my stages of mourning perfectly. I went through denial and anger (still there a bit, actually). Now I am in the bargaining stage. And I'm hoping, hoping, hoping I don't have to move on to the last two stages because all our hard work (bargaining) will result in their return.

And because I am nowhere near acceptance, I just haven't been able to post anything in the Message to VDO, KE, and EB thread.

For the first few days, before the campaign started, I was totally depressed and in denial. When the campaign started, I felt a lot better, like we were doing something to get the actors back and USA would be forced to do something. And, if that didn't work, at least Vince and Kate would get to hear that we really love them and how much. That is some consolation, at least. Then, when the first post of EDO's blog came out, I was depressed, but people explained that away. Now, though, after reading EDO's second blog about this, I'm inclined to believe her. But, I still think that, if Vince hears how powerful his fanbase really is, and if USA is forced to offer more money, he may reconsider and give us one last season to satisfy our need for closure. If not, I think I'm going back to "dead to the world" mode and that's very scary.

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I believe that's the stages of dealing with death.

It is.

Yes it is. But it also applies to the stages of grieving...whatever the cause. I know I went through all 5 stages a few months ago when I was suddenly transferred from the job I had held, and loved, for 8 years to the last job I would have ever applied for. For me and for that situation, acceptance came with a happy ending...I love my new job. But if our campaign to save our show fails, I know I will reach acceptance eventually...but I don't expect to be happy with the "lighter, fluffier"....gutted LOCI.

Man! I am angry too. VDO and KE are probably leaving because the bosses won't give them a raise, and actually told them that they will get a pay cut. SVU and the original, I heard, got a 5% raise, but not LO:CI.

Oh, that thread isn't only for goodbyes. My first post was more what I had in mind for my own posts (I'm going to do a long one soon). I am definitely nowhere near acceptance. I'm in fight mode. I was weepy and upset for the first couple of days. Now I'm pissed and I'm working hard to get us our S9 to say goodbye properly. I'll do my grieving then.