For the last week or so I've been watching my dvds of Gilmore Girls final season. It's the first time I have watched it since it originally aired. And it's just as good as the first time I saw it. The last 3...maybe even 5....episodes just had me in tears. And the very last scene of the very last episode was just SO satisfying. And the entire season touched on all the characters and quirkiness (gee...where have I heard that word before?!) that had made the show so special. And I kept thinking, "THIS is how you say goodbye to iconic characters with a loyal following." Now, I realize Gilmore Girls is a VERY different kind of show from LOCI, and I don't really expect a tear jerker...but something that tells me the producers, writers, and actors all love these characters as much as I have loved them, that they recognize what a special place they hold in TV history. What is NOT acceptable to me is a statement that the Goren character is too "dark" for USA programming and will be written out in a 2 hour show.

Oy, with the poodles already!

Isn't that incredible? It's not like they didn't know this when they brought the show over from NBC. Or maybe they didn't know. Maybe they're just not that bright. Well, we know that, or they wouldn't be trying to get rid of the best "character" ever on USA. And in my personal opinion, the best character on TV, period!

I have every season except the last one and haven't bought it because I know I will cry too and I just haven't wanted to face it, but now you make me want to go get it. You are absolutely right -- that is the way to end the series. It would be great for the show if they let that happen with ours -- the fans would probably stick around to watch JG. It is incredible to me that these network types don't have a pulse on their audience better. It's like they live in lala land or something -- not in touch with reality.

I'm almost convinced that they moved up the episode of Monk with Sharona in it to tomorrow night instead of next month so they can try to get a huge ratings hike with having it on tomorrow along with the premiere of the new White Collar show. I was seriously thinking about tuning in to see Sharona. I liked the actress that played her but now I'm just mad about it all. Now I'm thinking I'll just watch a movie online or put in some dvds or something instead and save myself some anger.

It is shocking that D'nofrio is leaving given that the show was originally created as a vehicle for him. I'll miss him and Erbe. Erbe is very cute and an underrated part of the show

Very nice KimT. I agree with everything you said as I usually do.

Niiiiice slide show

I didn't catch it. do you know what station it was on? Maybe I could google it and see if the station has a website and maybe they archived the interview?

I don't know which station it was on, danicharlie. I wish I knew. I did check the npr.org site that Rene Balcer was on awhile back and I did not find it there when I searched by his name. But some of their shows have more than one guest per show so it would help to know more. Please post if you find anything about it. Thanks

Your Welcome!! Thats a good idea that you checked the NPR site, I would have never thought of that, thanks for checking.

O.K, Ill post it if I find anything I'm on a mission LOL

I don't know. My friend just said 'the radio' and all I can find elsewhere is someone on twitter saying he was on 'FM radio in NYC...' I looked at a few stations but havent found anything yet.

Oh wait, that same person http://twitter.com/MermaidsTears has now said:



and




I know for a fact that Pinfield not only audio records ALL his interviews but often videos and youtubes them searching.. http://www.1019rxp.com/pinfield/ If theres no audio there now though there will be soon. Hopefully there will be video too. although it was probably a phone interview so



edit: hmm. nothing about our vincent but this happened yesterday...



I wonder if the person writing that got the surnames wrong and is actually talking about VDO... Seems like it's quite likely I think because it says nothing about him elsewhere.

"9am - Matt went through his cell phone and randomly picked a number to call, which today happened to be that of Vincent Pastore. Deep down, I was secretly hoping he'd be annoyed by the unexpected call and would yell at Matt (conflict makes for good radio), but Vincent was excited to join the show."

There is a picture of Vincent Pastore next to the blog entry on the referenced radio station.

yeah but it seems odd that we know VDO was on but it mentions nothing about him but does mention another italian american vincent . It could be a simple mistake by the person writing the blog. the picture is an old one from sopranos time...

I will email I think...I'd like to hear it.

Just to mention the "other" interview (the French one), it is now on Youtube, in English. The poster titled it something like "Vincent leaving" like he's going to talk about that in the interview. Well, nowhere does he say that. He talks about why he took on the show in the first place, how it DOES NOT keep him from doing films and spending time w/ his family, and then discusses season 9. I couldn't translate the French titles of each segment, but it said something about Season 9, so it could have been that same French interview from over the summer, as others have said. He just says that he thinks Jeff's eps will be just as good or better than his eps. Still, that doesn't address him leaving, does it? I posted a comment saying the same over on Youtube.

I'd be very curious to know about the radio interview.

So Vincent D'Onofrio was NOT on the radio? Or he was, it was posted online somewhere, and it has the wrong person's picture? I'm a little tired and a little confused right now.

he was, but the blog mentions vincent pastore and not him (so either a coincidence or more likely a mistake) but a friend of mine and also someone else on twitter (who now says she is getting 'hate' because she can't confirm it)....says it was VDO in that section and not pastore. They heard it.

Now there are two comments on the blog there that also confirm it was VDO.

http://www.1019rxp.com/Blog/Matt/blogentry...ntryID=10068064

ok this is killing me!! what was said??? i cant find it anywhere.... if it was his decision why did they all leave (KE and EB)?? and i just cant believe that if it had been his choice he would leave just after 2 episodes... seems like he would do more than that. maybe he did eventually wanna move on but it seems to me he got pushed out the door quicker than he thought. 2 eps is hardly a "transistion" and what about the money issue? and the ausilleo files saying that he DID get fired.... i just dont understand any of this... im getting depressed all over again... plz somebody cheer me up......

"gorenisababe" on youtube posted the snippets of the French interview (not the radio interview). I commented there that the French interview doesn't say anything about him choosing to leave the show. She commented back that there is a full interview that she couldn't download with a statement saying he chose to leave. Even she said she didn't know whether or not to believe it. I asked for a link but haven't received one, yet.

If we hear an interview saying that he did choose to leave, I don't know whether or not to believe it. Maybe he has to say something according to USA regulations in order that the door stay open for him at USA. Maybe he is obligated to make a certain statement. Now, if he did really choose to leave on his own, there is no reason that he couldn't change his mind if he wanted to. All this viewer backlash could only help his career, not to mention being a world of flattery. If he said in the French interview that doing CI for 8 episodes a season afforded him the opportunity to work on films and spend time w/ his family, what would be a good reason for leaving? Now, I don't know his personal life; maybe personal circumstances have changed.

Bottom line: I would be terribly depressed to hear from the horse's mouth (or the stud's mouth! ) that it was his decision to leave. But, I see no reason why we couldn't change his and USA's minds! Let's keep it up, guys!!!

Personally, if we hear something where he says he chose to leave...I MAY change the message to USA Network but they ain't off the hook as far as I am concerned.

But I hope they left on their own and they are happy with the decisions they have made!

I would still like to hear it from them though...not through a statement from USA Network.

Thanks.
Hugs to all.

ATTENTION!!! (lol) ATTENTION!!!


I got a tweet from mermaidtears - she had sent an email to the radio station to inquire about last week's random phone call to VDO. She tweeted that they returned her email.

They confirmed it was Vincent D'Onforio and she said they reported he WILL BE ON THE RADIO TUESDAY MORNING AT 9am.


"it was Vincent DOnofrio and he will be in the studio at 9am tuesday morning!" this is e-mail quote from RXP 101.9 FM NYC"


Thanks!

So cool! I hope one of our very smart buddies can get on Youtube or somehow share it with us all!

The radio station does stream live you want to tune in - or can at that time - to see if he is there and what he has to say.

Their site sorta sucks. They don't have tomorrow's interviews posted or anything...urg.

I have to work tomorrow....urg is right.

The Hollywood Reporter has just released news that one of the departing stars is going to be murdered in the season premiere, and I have a sinking feeling it will be Eames. The fans don't care enough about Ross and since we know it won't be Goren, killing Eames will get TPTB the biggest bang for their buck. Apparently, the premiere, which has completed filming, will be the good-bye for all three. This sucks....

http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/law-order-...-eric-bogosian/

It sucks big time.

No, it's obviously Ross.

Here's what the article says:
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"I am told by “CI” insiders that Erbe, especially, is very unhappy with the way things have worked out over there. “She was told everything was going fine, and then they were fired.”

"Whoever was murdered isn’t too happy, either. But I’m not giving that part away."
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So we know it isn't Goren, and then they quote Erbe/Eames, and then they say the murdered one isn't happy either--therefore it's Ross.

I haven't been active in the campaign since Fluff Day, but I don't regret it a second, especially if Kathryn is alleging they were fired, as we suspected all along.

I think it's Ross also. But in the end, I don't think it matters....the show is over.

Yeah...but I would be happier knowing Goren and Eames are alive when the show does end. It's the only thing that will leave me at peace about this whole thing. I agree with tigger, I think it's Ross too. It wouldn't make sense for them all to leave at once, so maybe killing him off leads Goren and Eames to leave somehow.

I really have a sick feeling that it's going to be Eames. Bobby and Eames wouldn't leave because of Ross, they don't like him. I can see Eames being killed and Bobby either being somehow responsible or feeling like he's responsible and that will send him into one of his depression spirals, yada, yada. * pours a cup of hemlock * :-(

My fear all along has been that Eames was going to be dead when the show opened, that Bobby couldn't handle it and he leaves. If this is the case, I won't be watching the show at all. If it's Ross and Eames and Goren do leave together, I may dvr and watch in on my death bed. In any event, the fans are really being screwed over, whether you are a JG fan or not, those who have watched all these years deserve better than this.

I can see the same kind of scenario for Ross dying ::sob:: If Bobby feels responsible for his death....or if it comes about because of interference from the COD's or corruption from him or someone higher up, I could see Goren and Eames getting fed up and leaving.

But honestly...there is no scenario involving the death of any of them that I can see as acceptable.

I seriously need a cyber hug!

Me, too! Here you go! **HUGS**

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hug}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
right back at you!

At the time VDO made comments about making future appearances on the show, it was also mentioned somewhere that the idea of killing someone off had been rejected. So obviously, if they changed their minds and go with that idea anyway, it makes VDO's earlier comments outdated and would also explain why the person getting killed off is pissed.

hahahaha

That's good logic, Amy.

I'm going to go to a corner and cry now.

Wasn't there a rumor a year or so ago about Goren being killed off by being hit by a car? Has that script been dusted off?

I really hope USA isn't stupid enough to kill of either Goren or Eames. if they do and the show tanks, as it will, they will have no one who can pull the fans back in. I think they have to have VDO available in case the show sinks. Killing Eames will sink the show because all of us who have watched for so long would be watching family die.
While Ross isn't my favorite character, I'd rather it be him with Goren and Eames walking out the door together.

Hugs for everyone.

I just can't imagine that it's Eames. That would be such a terrible slap in the face for both the fans and KE. Also...That woule end ANY future time that the two could appear together and I don't think TBTB are that stupid. (well, maybe they are, but still...) Also, didn't someone here mention a while ago that D'onofrio had a made a comment about him and Erbe coming back from time to time? Maybe I'm wrong. I also can't believe that Dick Wolfe would do such a thing to an actress that has been nothing but loyal and hardworking for nine years. No, the more I think about it, the more I believe it's Ross. AND...I read somewhere that Begosian tweeted (is it twittered, or tweeted?) that his characther is killed off. I don't know. Could someone who's twitter savvy find any info out?

I had a thought -- I remember someone wrote on a thread that there were various options for cost reduction and one was that Eames was killed and Goren goes on alone( I think that is how it was) AND, this option was rejected, supposedly by Vincent? Anyhow, what if that is how the negotiations ( yea, right) ended up so that is when VDO decided not to renew his contract. All of the press continues to state that he is leaving voluntarily. His own sister says that on her blog. Maybe because of what is being done to Erbe, or Bogosian,he decided it is time to move on. I rambled. Sorry. Any thoughts?

Vince said he was open to returning. No mention of Kate. I hate twitter but I'll look around.

Do you have a link to his sister's blog? I have no idea how to find it.

I think everyone is referencing this blog post, when the author called someone she knew and got insider info on contract negotiations and different ending scenarios:

BASRIC - LOCI Dish

WELL CI FANS, READ THIS. IT'S A SHOCKER. I'M STUNNED RIGHT NOW AND WILL COMMENT LATER...JIM, Columbus, OH

LATER...http://www.cleveland.com/tv/index.ssf/2009/10/law_order_criminal_intent_kill.html

SORRY, TRY THIS LINK...

http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/law-order-...-eric-bogosian/

Nobody, nobody, nobody wants our duo split up by death. Here's the gist of what I wrote to one of my shippy peeps (but it's not shippy):

We are so used to being screwed by USA by now that we aren't being logical. My heart says, "Oh God, it's Eames!", but logic, from reading the article, says it's Ross. Read the article again regarding the word "either".

Here's the most likely scenario:

-new detective Burrows shows up at MCS. Welcomes all around
- she's there, like, 1 day and her boss is killed in some kind of terrorist incident (enter Somali pirates)
- this requires all the best detectives ( all 4) to band together to catch the killers. One of the detectives, Nichols, has special interest in the case because the captain was his former partner. Goren and Eames have special interest in the case too, because, duh.
- the case is solved of course, and Goren/Eames are asked to go off to fight terrorism together (note--shippy or not, this fulfills the "fluffy" portion of the show)
- Nichols (of course) stays on MCS--it's what Ross would have wanted him to do

If/when they bring Bobby back to guest star, it's for a terrorist-related episode. Where's Alex "At the Pentagon" or wherever, just like they did with Bobby ("he's on the phone from Tennessee") when Alex had to partner with Zach.

It's logical and an "easy" story to follow. Fluffy stories are not complicated stories. Bobby would literally go insane without Alex. How are they gonna bring him back then--in a straightjacket? It's Ross. I'm, like, 90% sure it's Ross.

Think logically, not emotionally: in the most likely scenario, and the plot best geared for future bringing back of Bobby to visit if needed, who is the most likely person to be killed off?

That's what I'm hanging my hat on.

Try to think of a scenario where Alex dies and getting all of the other players to solve the crime and then having Bobby AND Ross leave at the end without it getting too complex. That's why it's Ross. It's easy to see Bobby leave were Alex to die. But why would Ross leave if Alex died? It's Ross who dies. Bobby and Alex leave together. That in and of itself is fluffy. And happy. And the "new" USA tone.

I hope that makes you feel better!

Effing lovely