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Liv
I thought I heard on a commercial just now something about going to the USA Monk site to see Trudy's case file, but I don't see it there. Did I mishear or am I just not seeing it?
TwoWolves
QUOTE (Liv @ Sep 17 2009, 06:20 PM) *
I thought I heard on a commercial just now something about going to the USA Monk site to see Trudy's case file, but I don't see it there. Did I mishear or am I just not seeing it?



I'm considering my responses

1. Sure Liv we all heard and seen it.....don't get excited now just take your meds smile.gif

2. Liv have you taken leave of your senses.....now drop the baseball bat and step away from the computer. mad.gif

3. Hey guys does anyone have any idea what she's babbling about??? Crazy chicks! dry.gif

4. Hey GREAT INFO Liv.....I don't know for sure but it's great if it's true biggrin.gif

Don't laugh ....it's not ez being me! blink.gif
USA_Admin
Oops, that ad must have run early. Trudy's Case Files launches on the site tonight.
TwoWolves
QUOTE (USA_Admin @ Sep 18 2009, 04:24 PM) *
Oops, that ad must have run early. Trudy's Case Files launches on the site tonight.



Oh boy we have our own BIG BROTHER watching over us biggrin.gif Got any more "giftseees" you can share with us?? rolleyes.gif
USA_Admin
In fact, I do... you can look at the case files right now!

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/monk/webe...ves/trudyfiles/
Teresa1643
QUOTE (USA_Admin @ Sep 18 2009, 01:46 PM) *
In fact, I do... you can look at the case files right now!

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/monk/webe...ves/trudyfiles/

Excellent!
TwoWolves
QUOTE (USA_Admin @ Sep 18 2009, 03:46 PM) *
In fact, I do... you can look at the case files right now!

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/monk/webe...ves/trudyfiles/



Mercy Boops Coop as the French say!! biggrin.gif
TwoWolves
QUOTE (Teresa1643 @ Sep 18 2009, 04:32 PM) *
Excellent!



Ya know Teresa your beginning to take on a Clark Kent personna.....ya know where Clark and Superman are never in the same room at the same time......it's like that with you and the USA Admin ....if that is his/her real name. I'd like to see you with your glasses off to be sure.....those things always fooled me just like they did Lois. unsure.gif

Or maybe it's like your the Lone Ranger ....and USA Admin is Tonto......he/she watches us silently then gives the LR the happenings of what's what in town. cool.gif

Or maybe it's like your Dr. Frankenstein....and USA Admin is Igor....anyway you slice the cake it's weird. blink.gif
Teresa1643
QUOTE (TwoWolves @ Sep 18 2009, 03:10 PM) *
Ya know Teresa your beginning to take on a Clark Kent personna.....ya know where Clark and Superman are never in the same room at the same time......it's like that with you and the USA Admin ....if that is his/her real name. I'd like to see you with your glasses off to be sure.....those things always fooled me just like they did Lois. unsure.gif

Or maybe it's like your the Lone Ranger ....and USA Admin is Tonto......he/she watches us silently then gives the LR the happenings of what's what in town. cool.gif

Or maybe it's like your Dr. Frankenstein....and USA Admin is Igor....anyway you slice the cake it's weird. blink.gif

That's pronuonced Fronk-en-steen.

There's no truth to the rumors. We're just good friends. Actually, there's no truth to that rumor either.
Liv
QUOTE (USA_Admin @ Sep 18 2009, 04:24 PM) *
Oops, that ad must have run early. Trudy's Case Files launches on the site tonight.


Ha! I knew I wasn't crazy!! Take that, Two Wolves! tongue.gif
Liv
QUOTE (Teresa1643 @ Sep 18 2009, 06:30 PM) *
That's pronuonced Fronk-en-steen.

There's no truth to the rumors. We're just good friends. Actually, there's no truth to that rumor either.


Oh! I wanna be Frau Blucher! :horses panicked neigh in the distance:
TwoWolves
QUOTE (Liv @ Sep 18 2009, 06:39 PM) *
Ha! I knew I wasn't crazy!! Take that, Two Wolves! tongue.gif


I never doubted you for a momement rolleyes.gif Frau Blucher biggrin.gif
jo43
I can't wait for some "exclusive content!"
Liv
QUOTE (jo43 @ Sep 19 2009, 11:10 AM) *
I can't wait for some "exclusive content!"



Yeah, I'm very interested in that. I'm guessing the exclusive content has something to do with the key.

Did anyone else see the water ring on the desk surface and think that was strange for Monk?
TwoWolves
QUOTE (Liv @ Sep 19 2009, 02:48 PM) *
Yeah, I'm very interested in that. I'm guessing the exclusive content has something to do with the key.

Did anyone else see the water ring on the desk surface and think that was strange for Monk?


Yes but immediately dismissed it because the whole desk was too messy to be Monks desk.....but the key could be THE KEY to unlocking the mystery.....OHHHHH I CAN'T WAIT!!


(Liv was that pointing out the obvious and gushy enough to be a real fan or was it a little over the top?? I was going for the teenage girl anticipating next months issue of Teen Beat magazine but I might have overshot the mark)
lovethatmonk
I read the case file but nothing really new....hope they put more on soon!! biggrin.gif


LTM
Araeph
Oh...so...tantalizing.

This is the one thing that has me glued to the screen time and time again.
adrianna10
QUOTE (lovethatmonk @ Sep 20 2009, 08:30 AM) *
I read the case file but nothing really new....hope they put more on soon!! biggrin.gif


LTM


That is, what I think also. That they have just collected the info, which we already know for sure. But I hope, that they are not going to reveal too much beforehand, I like surprises....as long as surprises are not unpleasant. But I still have a confidence towards the writers, that they are goin to make the right thing and pick out a suitable murderer. smile.gif

And no, Liv, I didnīt notice the water ring, I donīt notice such details.......I just went through, what were on the desk. But yes, the ring circles the key.....like on purpose - of course it is deliberately so. It means, that the key is significant. cool.gif
KellyK
How interesting that the link to the comments is to connect to facebook to comment and not directly to this message board to comment. Did someone do that on purpose?

From reading all the information provided this week everything points to Dale for further investigation. While he is not currently considered a primary suspect he has information and could easily become one or offer up the clues to find one by identifying the source of his information.

I have not thoroughly examined all the photos yet so I won't post a lot yet but I did almost immediately notice on the scrap of paper from the crime scene that there are possibly one or two words missing after the word "re." and before the next line of "Mr. Simon." It would appear that they begin with the letter A, M, or N if the handwriting is consistent. It could be the contrast settings on my monitor playing tricks on me. Can anyone else see this? And does anyone know what day of the week new clues will be added?

Thanks.
SteveMC
QUOTE (USA_Admin @ Sep 18 2009, 04:46 PM) *
In fact, I do... you can look at the case files right now!

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/monk/webe...ves/trudyfiles/



I don't see anything new there but I like where this is going. Everyone will have their theories and start debating them.
Liv
QUOTE (KellyK @ Sep 20 2009, 06:29 PM) *
How interesting that the link to the comments is to connect to facebook to comment and not directly to this message board to comment. Did someone do that on purpose?

From reading all the information provided this week everything points to Dale for further investigation. While he is not currently considered a primary suspect he has information and could easily become one or offer up the clues to find one by identifying the source of his information.

I have not thoroughly examined all the photos yet so I won't post a lot yet but I did almost immediately notice on the scrap of paper from the crime scene that there are possibly one or two words missing after the word "re." and before the next line of "Mr. Simon." It would appear that they begin with the letter A, M, or N if the handwriting is consistent. It could be the contrast settings on my monitor playing tricks on me. Can anyone else see this? And does anyone know what day of the week new clues will be added?

Thanks.


It could very easily be an 'A'. If you want to see a larger image of it, you can here. I screen capped it a while back.
KellyK
QUOTE (Liv @ Sep 23 2009, 05:27 PM) *
It could very easily be an 'A'. If you want to see a larger image of it, you can here. I screen capped it a while back.

Thank you so much, Liv!!! I can see it much better there especially when I click to make it bigger. It does look like an A there. I guess it could still be an M - maybe. But I'm ruling out the N now. lol. I hope the new set of clues gets put up soon.
Liv
QUOTE (KellyK @ Sep 23 2009, 08:03 PM) *
Thank you so much, Liv!!! I can see it much better there especially when I click to make it bigger. It does look like an A there. I guess it could still be an M - maybe. But I'm ruling out the N now. lol. I hope the new set of clues gets put up soon.


No problem. smile.gif If you go here I have a few other screen caps that are things related to Trudy's case (only the pictures toward the very bottom of the page, the ones closer to the top were just screen caps in general) but they are either basically the same things that we have already seen in the case file on the website, or pretty much useless of iffy now because I guess they decided to go in a different creative direction with the case as well. biggrin.gif Like the dates on this police report that say she was killed on 11/11/97. Then in Up All Night and in the case file here, they said she died on 12/14/97.
jbrande55
QUOTE (Liv @ Sep 24 2009, 09:30 AM) *
No problem. smile.gif If you go here I have a few other screen caps that are things related to Trudy's case (only the pictures toward the very bottom of the page, the ones closer to the top were just screen caps in general) but they are either basically the same things that we have already seen in the case file on the website, or pretty much useless of iffy now because I guess they decided to go in a different creative direction with the case as well. biggrin.gif Like the dates on this police report that say she was killed on 11/11/97. Then in Up All Night and in the case file here, they said she died on 12/14/97.

It all doesn't really matter . Dale The Whale murdered Trudy Monk. Also bring back Adam Arkin as Dale , its the last season. At least have a good actor playing the role , not like the hack who played the part last.
KellyK
Does anyone know if the new set of clues are posted up yet? I haven't checked yet but it's Friday again so they should be...unless they don't do them until later in the day.
TwoWolves
QUOTE (KellyK @ Oct 2 2009, 02:37 PM) *
Does anyone know if the new set of clues are posted up yet? I haven't checked yet but it's Friday again so they should be...unless they don't do them until later in the day.



As far as I can tell nothing new since last week.....but there are new FB posters using the same theories that we have posted .......I'll check back late tonight and see if USA has added anything to "Exclusive Content" cool.gif they better have or I'm going to ask for a refund mad.gif
KellyK
QUOTE (TwoWolves @ Oct 2 2009, 05:33 PM) *
As far as I can tell nothing new since last week.....but there are new FB posters using the same theories that we have posted .......I'll check back late tonight and see if USA has added anything to "Exclusive Content" cool.gif they better have or I'm going to ask for a refund mad.gif

Thanks, TwoWolves, I thought USA_Admin said it would be up on Friday but now that I think about it...that may have just been the first day it was supposed to go up and not the day of the week for new stuff to be posted every week. I'm just anxious to see the new clues!

QUOTE (TwoWolves @ Oct 2 2009, 05:33 PM) *
refund


laugh.gif
Liv
I thought I would post some information here from the Timeline I no longer really keep up with. It might come in handy.

1990 Trudy and Adrian get married apparently some time in the fall or late summer. In 'Mr. Monk Gets Drunk' Adrian goes back to the inn and vineyard where he and Trudy honeymooned for their anniversary. They are holding a wine tasting and making the red wine that was Trudy's favorite during this episode, and red grapes are harvested for wine making usually from the middle to the end of September. Considering that the grape stomping process takes longer than the machine process, they may have started making it earlier than the other red wines. It's possible that this episode took place anywhere from mid-September to early October, but I tend to think it was in late September. All of the other episodes for the first half of the fourth season appear to have taken place in the fall of 2005.

'90 is also the year that Dale loses his mother, goes to bed and balloons from 422 to 927 pounds over the next eleven years. 'Dale The Whale'

'92 Trudy was working at a paper, I think it was the San Francisco Times, from what I can see of the front page in 'Mr. And Mrs. Monk'. Adrian pointed out a desk and said it was hers for five years, and he pointed out a mark that he said he did, leaning over to kiss her and he spilled some coffee. He told Natalie he spilled something again seven years later, on Jan. 12, 1999 during an earthquake. '99 minus seven years means she worked there in '92, and she was killed in '97, so she could possibly have worked there till her death, but, In 'Billionaire Mugger', Adrian said she was a columnist for the Examiner.

'93 Trudy writes the article about Dale, he sues them even though he knew he couldn't win, and drew it out for a year so that they had to sell every thing they had, including their home, which he bought, I assume out of spite. I wonder why he didn't just buy the paper to keep his name out like Leland said he was known to do, it seemed he formed some odd fixation with Adrian and Trudy and seemed bent on destroying them. But he told Sharona that he sued them nine years before that episode took place, which seems to have been in spring of 2002. (On the 'Exclusive Content' section of Trudy's Case File, the exact publishing date for this story is given as Tuesday, March 9, 1993).

'95 was the last time Dale and Adrian had contact before 'Dale The Whale'- Dale asked him how
long it's been, and Adrian says it's been 7 years, but it isn't stated what this meeting was about. The lawsuit was presumably over the year before that.

'95 Trudy and Janice Ellinghouse wrote a story together on the dockworker's union that caused Jack Bollinger to become union president after he was their source and the former president (Ed Lemley) went to prison where he was still in Oct. 2005. Mr. and Mrs. Monk

As of June 21, 1997, Randy was still a sergeant working in Philadelphia PA, a few days after Darlene Coolidge married, then killed one of her husbands. Randy was the lead investigator in the case. The newspaper article that the captain brings from the photographer's business is dated June 21, 1997. More than once, references have been made to that event being six years prior to that, meaning Wedding happened probably after June of 2003. I think there is another error in here. Wedding first aired on August 19, 2005. Six years before, would have been 1999 when Randy would have been working in San Francisco. If Wedding was supposed to be taking place in 2003, then there is the problem of Natalie not coming to work for Adrian until 2005.

'97 November 11,* at 9AM Trudy is killed by the car bomb. (Billionaire Mugger, this date can be seen on a forensics report that Adrian is looking at). There are inconsistencies here- in 'The Candidate' one of the articles said Trudy was 35 when she died. In 'Dale The Whale', Adrian told Dr. Kroger that she only had 34 years, that Dale stole one of them. With her birth date being Oct 10, 1962, and her death being Nov. 11, 1997, she would have been 35 years old.





* In the episode 'Up All Night', a different date is given, December 14, 1997. Since they included the fragment of the date book with '530 Kelly Street' on it, as well as the list of items recovered from the scene that were only referenced in the police reports in the same episode where I saw this date, I am guessing that this date has been changed or will be irrelevant in the end.

1998 – Captain Stottlemyer has to take Adrian's badge. In 'The Candidate', he said
'When I took you badge three years ago..." and a little while later, Sharona tells Miranda St. Clair that Trudy was murdered four years ago. I am guessing that he must have tried to work for the police department for a while after her murder but it became apparent that he wasn't well enough.

Also in 1998, Sharona started taking care of Adrian. In Asylum, which took place in August 2002, she told Oliver that she had been taking care of Adrian for four years, and Randy told Gail in Earthquake that he had known Sharona for about four years.

You can view the entire timeline here, though I don't know if there is anything there that will be of use in this case.

Also, there is Teresa's Remembering Trudy Page which I and a few other posters to this board contributed a good bit of information.
Liv
QUOTE (jbrande55 @ Sep 25 2009, 11:59 PM) *
It all doesn't really matter . Dale The Whale murdered Trudy Monk. Also bring back Adam Arkin as Dale , its the last season. At least have a good actor playing the role , not like the hack who played the part last.


I disagree that it's Dale, I don"t think that he knows who killed Trudy either, but he wants to find out because he hates not knowing something, and he wants to find out before Adrian does so he can hold it over his head, torment him with it, and possibly use it to see just what he could get Adrian to do in order to gain whatever knowledge he might have. He was able to get Adrian to solve the case in the prison episode to get the information about Warrick Tennyson. If he had information about the motive, or Trudy's activities in the days before she died, or even information that could lead Adrian to her killer, what might Adrian be willing to do to get that information? Solving a crime is one thing, he does that all the time, it's a positive thing, nothing at all wrong with it.

I'm fairly certain that he wouldn't do anything illegal, but would he investigate someone and report his findings to Dale? Would he dig around in a person's background and find out if they have ever been charged with a crime? Whether the crime was minor or not, whether they were found innocent or guilty, if they did their time or not, chances are, there are probably people in their lives now who don't know about it, people they don't want to know. Then there are secrets in a person's past that might not have anything to do with criminal activity, but still be something they don't want brought to light, like the pictures of Sharona in Playboy. Could Adrian justify helping Dale gather black mail material on someone else in order to get information about Trudy's killer? He might think, "If they hadn't done anything wrong, they'll have nothing to hide." But how long could he believe that?

I wouldn't put it past Dale to tell Adrian he had to look into his friends' pasts if he wanted to get some new piece of information about Trudy. Dale might already know what Adrian would find, but he would want to watch as Adrian found out things about these people and then has to fit that knowledge into what he thinks he knows about them, and have to work with them and look them in the eye. What if he found out that Leland got arrested on a minor drug charge back in the '70s? We still don't know if he is aware of Natalie's arrest for pushing that guy through a window. Maybe in Randy's time in Philadelphia, he was working under cover as a dirty cop and the files are sealed, so that all Adrian would find would be rumors that might have been started specifically to get the guy to trust Randy but weren't true. If Dale could undermine Adrian's trust in his friends, and make him doubt them, he will do it. And he'll enjoy watching Adrian become alienated, isolated again.

Or maybe he would give Adrian information or leads in a way that would make Adrian have to consider the possibility that Trudy was doing something wrong when she died, or make him have doubts about her. Dale does like to torture people.

But I'm pretty sure that if he actually knew something more about Trudy that Adrian didn't know, even if he was in fact, the guy who did it, he wouldn't be able to resist the urge to use that information to tweak and torture Adrian. Why wouldn't he go ahead and start dropping hints to Adrian? He's already in prison for two consecutive life terms, he has nothing left to lose. On the other hand, even if Dale was the guy, he could string Adrian along, feed him tid bits of all the information he would have about it without ever actually giving him the information he would need to actually solve it, and keep Adrian under his thumb. And if Adrian did figure it out, then Dale could take great pleasure in telling Adrian exactly why and how he did it, and who he paid to do it, and could probably even describe in detail what happened in her last moments. Hell, if Dale did it, I have no doubt in my mind that he has the video footage on tape or DVD, he could show it to Adrian so that he could watch Adrian's reaction, without even confirming that he, Dale, had anything to do with it. For that matter, if Dale didn't do it, but he did own the garage it happened in, he probably does have the recording from the security cameras. He could have made a call as soon as he found out about it, and made sure that the tape was saved, and that he got a copy. If possible, he would also probably want to be sure that he got the only copy, if he could avoid giving a copy to the police.

The point is, Dale wants Adrian to suffer as much as he possibly can. If he actually knew who killed Trudy, even if he did it, he could be using that information to torment and control Adrian so much more than we have seen him do.

I'm very curious about what the meeting between Dale and Adrian in 1995 was about. I wonder if it will come up in the case file at a later date or if it was just a red herring? I guess it's possible that it could have been in the course of an investigation, but I doubt that they would have allowed Adrian to take part in an official investigation of Dale while he was on the force because of the possible conflict of interest. I think it's more likely that Dale contacted Adrian during the time when Trudy was working on the dockworkers' union story under the pretense of something else to try to plant seeds of suspicion between Adrian and Trudy, like making leading comments about how much time Trudy was spending in the company of this other man (the guy that paid the actress to pretend to be Trudy). I remember Adrian saying that Trudy wouldn't even tell him who her source was, which would suggest that he asked. He would know about a reporter's code of ethics and that Trudy wouldn't reveal her source, so ordinarily I wouldn't think he'd even ask her. Possibly he asked her about the man that she had been seen meeting on various occasions, and she wouldn't tell him who it was, but would tell him that it was just a source for a story. This could also explain why that was the only story that Trudy ever wrote with Janice Ellinghouse- because Janice's presence was meant in part to help remove the suspicion that she was having an affair. If you think about it, it was important that Trudy and her source meet in secret, so it could look very much like she was cheating on Adrian. *But*, if she was cheating on Adrian, she wouldn't ask her friend from college to go along with her to these meetings. There are also safety concerns that would be at least partially addressed by working with Janice on this story, even if Janice wasn't always present at these meetings with Trudy and her source, she would at least know where Trudy was going and who she would be meeting if Trudy were to disappear, so it might not have been that Adrian was questioning whether she would cheat on him or not. He could have been asking about it because he was worried about her safety and he wanted her to tell *someone* who she was meeting, what she was working on, where she was meeting them and when. Maybe Dale wanted him to think Trudy was cheating on him, but instead, Adrian became worried that something would happen to her and no one would know where to look for her or who to question.
Liv
I was just reading the 'Pier Pressure' article on Trudy's case file again, and I was wondering if someone could explain something to me.

It says- "In addition to embezzlement, union financial operations are marked by payouts. A kickback-for-hire system has been in place within the union for years, with union leaders often demanding bribes of up to $15,000 to grant jobs or more dock hours for workers. In direct defiance of official union policy, friends, family members and political supporters of union leadership have consistently been granted favors such as choice job assignments and perks designated for workers with greater seniority.”

Okay, so, if you are a dock worker and you have $15,000, why do you need to bribe a union official to get more hours? If you need more hours to earn more money, where do you get $15,000 for a bribe? Or, if you have a friend of family memeber who has the money for a bribe for you, wouldn't it just be easier to give the person a loan or help them out? I mean, at least that way you might get the money back, or part of it. Maybe I'm missing something or it's because I have no experience with crime syndicates and unions, or because I flunked math, but something's not adding up.
Liv
On the new 'Exclusive Content' is a letter to Frank Nunn from someone calling herself 'Baby Cakes'. The letter makes me think about Frankie DePalma and Lola.

On another note, it would have been nice if she had dated her little note. It's impossible to know if this note wad written around the time he killed Trudy, or after he came back and was killed by Sheriff Rollins. It seems possible that she wrote it after he came back to the US because she said she hadn't heard from him in a long time, she was worried about him, and she kept having a dream he was in a car that blew up. It makes me think, too, that she doesn't know anything about what he did professionally and probably doesn't know anything about Trudy, or at least, not anything that she realizes is information about Trudy. If Monk found her and talked to her, he might find out something about FN's activities during that time from her without her even knowing that it's helpful, or that FN was responsible for anyone's death. I mean, face it, anyone who signs a letter 'Your Babycakes' is probably not the sharpest kn9ife in the drawer.
MrsNatalieMonk
QUOTE (Liv @ Oct 24 2009, 11:53 AM) *
On the new 'Exclusive Content' is a letter to Frank Nunn from someone calling herself 'Baby Cakes'. The letter makes me think about Frankie DePalma and Lola.

On another note, it would have been nice if she had dated her little note. It's impossible to know if this note wad written around the time he killed Trudy, or after he came back and was killed by Sheriff Rollins. It seems possible that she wrote it after he came back to the US because she said she hadn't heard from him in a long time, she was worried about him, and she kept having a dream he was in a car that blew up. It makes me think, too, that she doesn't know anything about what he did professionally and probably doesn't know anything about Trudy, or at least, not anything that she realizes is information about Trudy. If Monk found her and talked to her, he might find out something about FN's activities during that time from her without her even knowing that it's helpful, or that FN was responsible for anyone's death. I mean, face it, anyone who signs a letter 'Your Babycakes' is probably not the sharpest kn9ife in the drawer.


Also, anyone who says "your" two or three times when it's supposed to be "you're" isn't too bright either...

Anyways, I also immediately thought Frankie and Lola. And it even says "Frankie" instead of Frank or F. That's why I'm not sure it's really Frank Nunn. Or at least, not Frank Nunn as we know him. Perhaps the Frank Nunn we thought we saw in "On The Run" was somebody else set up by Dale because he knew that Monk would go after anyone with six fingers. Maybe it wasn't really him at all, but just an impostor. Maybe Frankie DePalma was the real Frank Nunn (maybe one of his aliases). That would be the cruel irony since Frankie was Adrian's doppelganger.
Tweedlebug
Here's my post from the who killed Trudy discussion

Has anyone else noticed that the last two episodes (Happy Birthday Mr Monk and Mr Monk and Sharona) were very closely based on information in two paragraphs of Trudy's article she wrote before she died?

In paragraph 2 Trudy says the exclusive source of her information wanted to remain anonymous to protect himself and his family. Well the captain's new girlfriend would only use her initials throughout the episode Happy Birthday Mr Monk. She may be family to this exclusive source.

In paragraph 3 Trudy says a guy named Lindley diverted hundreds of thousands of union funds towards mobster owned businesses including "an exclusive golf club" and towards his own family including "his daughter's wedding". In Mr. Monk and Sharona, the episode takes place in an exclusive golf club and the wife of the murderer may very well be Lindley's daughter.

Read Trudy's article here and see what you think (click on exclusive content). http://www.usanetwork.com/series/monk/webe...ves/trudyfiles/



My guess is each paragraph of Trudy's article holds a clue and each new episode will tell us more about that clue finally revealing her killer.
digthemonk
QUOTE (Liv @ Oct 21 2009, 06:18 PM) *
I was just reading the 'Pier Pressure' article on Trudy's case file again, and I was wondering if someone could explain something to me.

It says- "In addition to embezzlement, union financial operations are marked by payouts. A kickback-for-hire system has been in place within the union for years, with union leaders often demanding bribes of up to $15,000 to grant jobs or more dock hours for workers. In direct defiance of official union policy, friends, family members and political supporters of union leadership have consistently been granted favors such as choice job assignments and perks designated for workers with greater seniority.”

Okay, so, if you are a dock worker and you have $15,000, why do you need to bribe a union official to get more hours? If you need more hours to earn more money, where do you get $15,000 for a bribe? Or, if you have a friend of family memeber who has the money for a bribe for you, wouldn't it just be easier to give the person a loan or help them out? I mean, at least that way you might get the money back, or part of it. Maybe I'm missing something or it's because I have no experience with crime syndicates and unions, or because I flunked math, but something's not adding up.

liv, maybe it means that someone is paying the money to get someone else a job. like, if some leader/rich guy/official wants to help out or pay back someone, he could pay to get him/her a new job.
Liv
QUOTE (digthemonk @ Oct 26 2009, 11:30 AM) *
liv, maybe it means that someone is paying the money to get someone else a job. like, if some leader/rich guy/official wants to help out or pay back someone, he could pay to get him/her a new job.


Maybe. It just seems to me like if they wanted to help them out that much they would just give them the money directly. Unless they are buying them a big promotion or want someone who's in their pocket to be in a certain position. I'm not a criminal mastermind, so This isn't my strong point.
KNOMYDURT
Okay... I'm going way out on a limb here...but I think I've solved the crime...or at least part of it...In some of my previous posts I have mentioned that I felt "bread-and-butter" meant something else other than the romantic link indicated by Monk. I have for sometime felt that the bread and butter comment was meant to be a clue to Monk as to who killed Trudy... Again, I do not believe it was Dale. For some reason I think Dale liked Trudy or at least liked pulling her strings...and when she was killed ...Dale wanted to be the first to find out who did it ...before Monk. Here's where this starts to get strange. I thought that the Bread and Butter some how referenced Alice in Wonderland because the Mad Hatter says it...but something about that signed "babycakes" note in Trudy's File made me look again. There is another character in Alice...who uses the phrase bread and butter...Chap 5 in Alice through the Looking Glass it is the White Queen who murmurs this phrase as she approaches Alice. The White Queen lives her life particially in reverse...for example...she reacts to the pain and bleeds before she is pricked with a pin. I think this also alludes to reflections...like through a mirror...The White Queen is the opposite of the Red Queen...White/Good (actually not totally good but still an Aly to Alice) .and then.....Red/Evil. I believe that the person who wrote to the six fingered man was Lovely Rita...remember her from the Birds and the Bees...helps Stottlemeyer and Monk figure out the connection between two people and solve the murder. She makes a comment something to the about a man and wife can live in the same house and not really love each other....take it from me I know...I just ran as many characters through my head that have appeared on MONK and tried to think which character would most likely use a phrase like "babycakes"...

Now I am going to go back to episode one. Miranda St. Clair when being interviewed by Monk, Miranda makes a comment something to the effect of he's the only one that was ever willing to give me a second chance...she was talking about Warren St. Clair. We never really learn what she meant by this.

Just so happens that Miranda and Lovely Rita are played by the same person.

What if Miranda meant by second chance ...the second time to be married to Warren St. Clair. What is Miranda has a twin sister (Lovely Rita)...and in getting a second chance...I(See a reply I post below regarding correction about what Miranda said). I am wondering if perhaps the sisters some how switched places... Miranda remarrying Warren instead of her sister, who apparently couldn't stand him. My guess is the twin married to Warren is doing this for the money.

I am thinking that Trudy was trying to get Monk to look backwards...go backwards...in time like the White Queen did...to maybe the day before the day she was killed. If that page out of her calendar was from the day before I am thinking that there is some connection there with Rita...and perhaps Trudy stumbling onto Miranda's secret. ...It could be the birthday listed...and using that same bread and butter clue...one might remember that in Alice through the Lookingglass there was a huge scene about an unbirthday party. I think Monk needs to explore the day before in order to solve Trudy's murder.

I not sure if the big thing the Trudy discovered was just the secret of Miranda versus Rita or not...or if there was something bigger than that...

I may be way way off base here but I think that there was just too much left opened ended about Miranda in that first episode...like she is guilty of something... I've thought about the possibility of Kelly Street being the mother of the twins...but nothing to back that...and MR. Simon doesn't fit in at all to this theory...unless Trudy truly did go to do an interview on the stuffed dog but discovered something else during the interview...

Is this wild or crazy or what....???? Maybe it's all a dream....but I don't think so...
Tweedlebug
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Oct 26 2009, 02:56 PM) *
Now I am going to go back to episode one. Miranda St. Clair when being interviewed by Monk, Miranda makes a comment something to the effect of he's the only one that was ever willing to give me a second chance...she was talking about Warren St. Clair. We never really learn what she meant by this.

Just so happens that Miranda and Lovely Rita are played by the same person.

What if Miranda meant by second chance ...the second time to be married to Warren St. Clair. What is Miranda has a twin sister (Lovely Rita)...and in getting a second chance...I am wondering if perhaps the sisters some how switched places... Miranda remarrying Warren instead of her sister, who apparently couldn't stand him. My guess is the twin married to Warren is doing this for the money.

I am thinking that Trudy was trying to get Monk to look backwards...go backwards...in time like the White Queen did...to maybe the day before the day she was killed. If that page out of her calendar was from the day before I am thinking that there is some connection there with Rita...and perhaps Trudy stumbling onto Miranda's secret. ...It could be the birthday listed...and using that same bread and butter clue...one might remember that in Alice through the Lookingglass there was a huge scene about an unbirthday party. I think Monk needs to explore the day before in order to solve Trudy's murder.


You make some good points. I like your idea about Rita mostly because the person who wrote the letter mentioning "The Judge" signs it with the initial R. The other possibility is it could have been signed by Sheriff Rollins. But since the shows producers went to so much trouble to use the same font for both letters and the second letter is obviously written by a woman, R could stand for Rita.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Tweedlebug @ Oct 26 2009, 09:45 PM) *
You make some good points. I like your idea about Rita mostly because the person who wrote the letter mentioning "The Judge" signs it with the initial R. The other possibility is it could have been signed by Sheriff Rollins. But since the shows producers went to so much trouble to use the same font for both letters and the second letter is obviously written by a woman, R could stand for Rita.

I have to change my original post regarding Miranda and Rita...the part where Monk is interviewing Miranda, she doesn't say "second Chance" she says that he is the only one who never gave up on her.
I thought about that other letter being signed with an "R" but that letter sounds more masculine to me...some how I don't picture Lovely Rita handling Magnesium for a bomb...the babycakes letter almost makes it sound like the writer of it didn't know exactly what her boyfriend was involved with...just that "thing"...and that he had to stay low...I am thinking that her reference to her dream was coincidental...just because she knew he was involved with using explosives. There still is much I can't really link together...but the best link in literature I could find referencing bread-and-butter was quotes from Alice and Wonderland...I think Trudy was very much into literature/poems etc so I thought her clue to Monk would pull from her knowledge of literature. I did find a quote from Alexander Pope which believe was one of Trudy's favorites but the context it was used in didn't seem to fit...it was something about people standing in line for their "bread and butter"...
KNOMYDURT
I'm going back to something others mentioned in here about the babycakes letter... I think that it was the original letter generated to get Frank Nunn in to do the Trudy bombing. I think that Frank and Rollins and perhaps some other characters may have been connected previously by being in the navy together...like on a bomb squad so would have lots of knowledge of explosives. I think Babycakes might be a code for something like bomb commander...so the Judge may have been over Frank and others in the military...and now uses secret messages to summon his men for criminal activity....I don't think the top of the line is the judge though... I think the Judge whover he or she is may...be a real judge that we briefly met somewhere along the line...but a judge who is being controlled by someone else. I noticed Frank wore a bomber jacket....which got me to thinking about how all these pieces connect. I think Mitch Teeger probably fell upon the same thing that Trudy got wind of...

And here is one more thing I'll throw out there. I think that Dale may have been Trudy's informant. He may have become slightly aware of some type of smuggling activity going on and was finding out and giving Trudy just enough information to get herself into deeply....I don't think this was Dale's intention...I mean I don't think he wanted to get her harmed...but I think he was disturbed by information he was being fed about some corrupt activity going on that he wasn't involved in and I think he may bribed Trudy to investigate for him. Maybe by giving her the key to their old house back...and that may be what is in the Christmas present to Monk.
Liv
That scrap with the note about Kelly Street on it might not even be from Trudy's appointment book. Why would Trudy have two appointment books, and why would the handwriting be different the one that was burned in the car from the one that is now in the case file?

And it seems pretty obvious by what's written in the undamaged one that it is Trudy's book- it includes details like who she's gotten gifts for, and Ambrose's medicine, but the other one, there isn't really anything in it that seems specific to Trudy. I mean, I imagine just about anyone with an appointment book in it has 'Pick up drycleaning' in it somewhere. We don't know who Quincey is, or what Adrian might have ever found out from Kelly Street, such as maybe that Mrs. Street never met Trudy and has no idea why she would have her name in her book. but we do know that Trudy knew Leland, Janice, Adrian, Ambrose and Joe. That whole book is obviously her's.

Also, I'm curious why she changed her mind about going back to the library on the day she died, and when she changed it. Also was she planning to possibly eat out Sunday evening to celebrate something?
Liv
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 6 2009, 05:12 PM) *
I'm going back to something others mentioned in here about the babycakes letter... I think that it was the original letter generated to get Frank Nunn in to do the Trudy bombing. I think that Frank and Rollins and perhaps some other characters may have been connected previously by being in the navy together...like on a bomb squad so would have lots of knowledge of explosives. I think Babycakes might be a code for something like bomb commander...so the Judge may have been over Frank and others in the military...and now uses secret messages to summon his men for criminal activity....I don't think the top of the line is the judge though... I think the Judge whover he or she is may...be a real judge that we briefly met somewhere along the line...but a judge who is being controlled by someone else. I noticed Frank wore a bomber jacket....which got me to thinking about how all these pieces connect. I think Mitch Teeger probably fell upon the same thing that Trudy got wind of...

And here is one more thing I'll throw out there. I think that Dale may have been Trudy's informant. He may have become slightly aware of some type of smuggling activity going on and was finding out and giving Trudy just enough information to get herself into deeply....I don't think this was Dale's intention...I mean I don't think he wanted to get her harmed...but I think he was disturbed by information he was being fed about some corrupt activity going on that he wasn't involved in and I think he may bribed Trudy to investigate for him. Maybe by giving her the key to their old house back...and that may be what is in the Christmas present to Monk.



If Frank and Rollins had been in a bomb squad and knew a lot about explosives, why would they have to hire Warrick Tennyson to build the bomb? the more people involved in a crime, the greater the chance that one of them will roll over on the others, especially if it might mean a lighter sentence or no jail time at all in favor of witness protection. And I really don't think that Tennyson would have been able to get into the Navy.

As for a bomb squad in the Navy, I can't say whether they would have such a thing or not, I'd have to ask my husband tomorrow after he gets home from work, but I'm thinking if they were in the military working with any kind of explosives, it would most likely be Army or maybe Marines.
MrsNatalieMonk
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 6 2009, 05:12 PM) *
And here is one more thing I'll throw out there. I think that Dale may have been Trudy's informant. He may have become slightly aware of some type of smuggling activity going on and was finding out and giving Trudy just enough information to get herself into deeply....I don't think this was Dale's intention...I mean I don't think he wanted to get her harmed...but I think he was disturbed by information he was being fed about some corrupt activity going on that he wasn't involved in and I think he may bribed Trudy to investigate for him. Maybe by giving her the key to their old house back...and that may be what is in the Christmas present to Monk.


I can definitely see the house coming back into this. Maybe that's what the key on the "desktop" is really pointing to. It would most definitely have been small enough for that little gift. Of course, this is inconsistent with Dale's intense hatred in "On The Run" and why he would still want to switch places with Monk.

But whatever's going on, I definitely think it has something to do with the Chemical Dumping story Trudy was wanting to work on.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 6 2009, 11:38 PM) *
If Frank and Rollins had been in a bomb squad and knew a lot about explosives, why would they have to hire Warrick Tennyson to build the bomb? the more people involved in a crime, the greater the chance that one of them will roll over on the others, especially if it might mean a lighter sentence or no jail time at all in favor of witness protection. And I really don't think that Tennyson would have been able to get into the Navy.

As for a bomb squad in the Navy, I can't say whether they would have such a thing or not, I'd have to ask my husband tomorrow after he gets home from work, but I'm thinking if they were in the military working with any kind of explosives, it would most likely be Army or maybe Marines.

I have found reference to an elite naval bomb squad on the internet. I am still thinking that these guys are some how linked together through miltary....Why would Tennyson not make it in the military....? I know he was dying the last we saw of him but that doesn't mean he's been dying his whole life..it could be that Tennyson was an outsider f the group. Maybe Nuun knew how to detonate etc but never built bombs I think that in bomb squads...each man had a specialized duty...and maybe the military connection isn't through a bomb sqad...maybe just military like battleship captain...or something like thst
Liv
QUOTE (MrsNatalieMonk @ Nov 6 2009, 10:48 PM) *
I can definitely see the house coming back into this. Maybe that's what the key on the "desktop" is really pointing to. It would most definitely have been small enough for that little gift. Of course, this is inconsistent with Dale's intense hatred in "On The Run" and why he would still want to switch places with Monk.

But whatever's going on, I definitely think it has something to do with the Chemical Dumping story Trudy was wanting to work on.


I sort of doubt it was about the chemical dumping article, since she apparently had that idea the day before she died, and the plan to kill her would have to have taken longer than that. The same for the possibility of revisiting the Ed Lindley story as a motive. Whatever reason the Judge might have had to kill her, it had to be something that started at least a couple of weeks before she died, probably more.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 6 2009, 11:31 PM) *
That scrap with the note about Kelly Street on it might not even be from Trudy's appointment book. Why would Trudy have two appointment books, and why would the handwriting be different the one that was burned in the car from the one that is now in the case file?

And it seems pretty obvious by what's written in the undamaged one that it is Trudy's book- it includes details like who she's gotten gifts for, and Ambrose's medicine, but the other one, there isn't really anything in it that seems specific to Trudy. I mean, I imagine just about anyone with an appointment book in it has 'Pick up drycleaning' in it somewhere. We don't know who Quincey is, or what Adrian might have ever found out from Kelly Street, such as maybe that Mrs. Street never met Trudy and has no idea why she would have her name in her book. but we do know that Trudy knew Leland, Janice, Adrian, Ambrose and Joe. That whole book is obviously her's.

Also, I'm curious why she changed her mind about going back to the library on the day she died, and when she changed it. Also was she planning to possibly eat out Sunday evening to celebrate something?

Maybe it was the planner of the person in the car with her just before she was killed...
MrsNatalieMonk
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 6 2009, 11:10 PM) *
Maybe it was the planner of the person in the car with her just before she was killed...


So, maybe it was Janice's? She would be the most likely person to have been in the car with her. I guess I'm just pretty convinced Janice ties in some way, somehow, lol.
Liv
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 6 2009, 10:57 PM) *
I have found reference to an elite naval bomb squad on the internet. I am still thinking that these guys are some how linked together through miltary....Why would Tennyson not make it in the military....? I know he was dying the last we saw of him but that doesn't mean he's been dying his whole life..it could be that Tennyson was an outsider f the group. Maybe Nuun knew how to detonate etc but never built bombs I think that in bomb squads...each man had a specialized duty...and maybe the military connection isn't through a bomb sqad...maybe just military like battleship captain...or something like thst


He may not always have been as sick as he was in Manhattan, but when a person dies from kidney failure and heart disease, they have been pretty sick for a long time, and probably ha something from a pretty young age that predisposed them to it. But then, maybe his problems were the result of the lifestyle he lived, or something like that that accelerated his illness.

I guess boats and submarines can be bombed too, and they need to know how to disarm torpedoes and things, so there probably are bomb disposal units in the Navy, or at least Army or Marine Units assigned to Naval vessels and things to do it for them. But in order to disarm a bomb, you have to know how the various kinds of bombs are built and how they work, otherwise you'd be more effective just throwing yourself on top of it rather than trying to disarm it. A person with military experience, working to disarm IEDs would be credible as a person who would be able to build the bomb that killed Trudy, since a bomb detonated by cellphone is pretty popular with terrorists, and I think they had only started using cellphones in the making of IEDs in the Middle East in 1996. Now days, bombs that are detonated by cellphones or even bombs inside cell phones are pretty universal, but I think back then, not as much.
Tweedlebug
QUOTE (MrsNatalieMonk @ Nov 7 2009, 12:21 AM) *
So, maybe it was Janice's? She would be the most likely person to have been in the car with her. I guess I'm just pretty convinced Janice ties in some way, somehow, lol.



The evidence said Trudy's car was uncharacteristically parked facing forward. Maybe Janice suggested she park it that way. I think she was involved too.
Liv
QUOTE (MrsNatalieMonk @ Nov 6 2009, 11:21 PM) *
So, maybe it was Janice's? She would be the most likely person to have been in the car with her. I guess I'm just pretty convinced Janice ties in some way, somehow, lol.


I thought of Janice, like maybe she went somewhere with Trudy and left it in her car or she left it at the library by accident and Trudy was going to take it back to her, but it doesn't match Janice's handwriting, either. Not that that's exactly conclusive, I guess. They may not have had a font that matched the handwriting that was on the sticky notes all over Janice's computer monitor in Mr. and Mrs. Monk.

You know, if it's not Trudy's appointment book, that makes a lot more sense about the Mr. Simon theory. I mean, it did seem strange that Trudy would be writing a story about a taxidermy dog after writing a story that her editor felt should have won her a Pulitzer about corruption in the dock worker's union. It would make more sense if someone else was going to talk to Mrs. Street about her dog, I mean.

Hmmm... Maybe some other reporter was given the Mr. Simon story, resented that he/she only got to write fluff pieces and filler while Trudy got important stories that could earn her a Pulitzer, so he/she thought if they eliminated the competition, especially if they did it with something big and flashy, but inexplicable like a car bomb, that they could take the story about Trudy's murder, and use it to impress the editor so that he might give him/her bigger stories in the future. Think about it, people are stabbed or shot every day, it's hardly news, especially in a big town like SF, but car bombing are different and noisy enough to attract a lot of attention and are kind of a sensational news item. Possibly the killer wasn't even a person who worked for the same paper as Trudy, but who worked for another paper, someone that Trudy beat out when she won the awards mentioned in one of the articles about her death. I mean, if they knew when it was going to happen and where, it would be really easy to be the first on the scene. And it wouldn't hurt to have bits of information that no one else had when writing a story about it. As long as they didn't include any information that could tie them to the bombing.
ProfessorAwesome
Trudy's car being parked forward could be another thing pointing to military involvement. They call it commando style for a reason.
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