OK, here we go. I like the rules proposed by Kayne. Any other suggestions?


I would like for this thread to be free from the fear of retribution from us moderators. If anyone has a complaint or criticism, they need to be free to express it without fearing that we will warn or suspend. Constructive criticism would be best...but as long as you refrain from making assumptions about our parentage or make rude comments about our families , people should be free to complain, question, etc.

And who is going to be the first to speak their mind?

Oh...are we only going to talk about the show here? Or is any topic open for debate? If it's any topic, I'll go first.

OK, I'll start. Maybe not too awfully controversial, but it's a pretty day outside and it's quiet here in my mother's house and I'm just not feelin' the hate this morning.

There are very few episodes I don't like, but Poison is one that makes me angry with Carver and with Goren (sad to say!). I absolutely hate the part where they go to the Grand Jury to indict the mother. I know they lie to suspects all the time, and there have been times that they have arrested someone they know is innocent in order to trick the real "perp" into confessing something. But C'MON! This is an elderly lady, recovering from surgery, in shock over what she realizes her daughter has done. AND Carver LIES to the Grand Jury. The scene in the courtroom when the mom is arraigned breaks my heart every time. This is one time I just can't go along with the means justifying the end.

Having said all that--how COLD was that daughter! She would have gladly let her mother go to prison as long as she got her franchise! Did Mom potty train her too early or something?

Ya beat me to it! I have a question ...when Carver says stuff like "I got lost on the LIE"...is that really a freeway there in NY? I dunno...but I do have an off topic Id like to speak of...here goes...

Welcome one and all, this thread was specifically designed for all you out there that have issues, with the show and perhaps each other. If you have a strong opinion that you have to get out,and are afraid of the repercussions, heres the place to do it. Onc eyou place your thoughts here, you cannot get offended at others responses. I mean, if your willing to put it out there, then be big enough to take the crap that may follow.

If you feel you've been wronged, treated unfairly,or feel your opinions dont matter, this thread was created with you in mind. So dont muck it up with personal attacks and silly behaviour. ok...ok...thanks.

So who has an issue that you want addressed? I got one...Just wanna put it out there..

Its simple really, but I noticed some of my pictures have been floating around this board. seems as soon as I post one, its pinched and placed on another thread... Yes at first I was like, Ahh man! that was my best burn face...then it gets used outta the context that I had intended...its disheartening.

Then I started to get angry, I mean, I know I didnt actually take the pictures..(those from my teddy bear nanny cam I'm not allowed to post, because we cant go over pg13 )..but I did work hard to get them, I spent long hours googeling them (hours that I could have spent with my kids if I choose) I searched and searched, saved, cut, cropped, pasted, and edited them.. And it really sucks, the pictures are kinda my thing. I talk thru them, and if you take them you take my voice.

Also it pisses me off.

I mean, I am more then happy to give you a pic...Ive been doing it with my, what I feel are too shippy pictures...and post them on their thread...take them, do what you will with them(gross)...If you want one, ask me..I'm a good at sharing (my mommy told me so). but dont steal from me. The sites I visited, I left a lil message, (its the decent thing to do) I gave them props and said I would put them to good use.

I cant control what you do, I can only ask that you give me a heads up or something. If you want a pic of Bobby with curly brown hair, or Bobby with waves, or Bobby with a smile or Bobby with a boner. Just ask and you shall recieve..I will be happy to oblige.

There I've said my peace.

So, see how easy that was? If you have an issue, this is the place to be. You may not get the response you want, or even a response at all. But you will feel better just by getting it out.

Remember, no rain, no rainbows.

OK CIa'...I'll play too.

I just watched "Poison" last night and I was thinking of how you said you didn't like the episode. I actually liked the plot...finding a serial cyanide poisoner...and I could not wait for them to bring that selfish, horrible woman down. What a piece of work she was!!! It was too bad that her mother got caught in the middle, but I guess I didn't have the strong reaction against it that you did. I more thought that Carver's influence over the grand jury was unrealistic with such a weak case. I did like the mother's public defender...she was a hoot!

I can't really think of any episodes off-hand that I don't like, I just like some more than others. I guess if I had to speak my mind about one thing regarding the show, it would be to put to bed the whole idea of "resurrecting" Nicole Wallace. I really do want to scream at my computer screen every time someone suggests that. She was a great character and I enjoyed the story line, but it's over and I want the writers to go on to do other creative and interesting things and not resort to soap opera tactics.

Gee, I do feel a little better now that I got that off my chest. Good thread topic, CIa'!

I think I'll keep it show-related for now
ok, one thing I wouldn't like to see is that crazy Nicole Wallace chick again. I don't like when things go on endlessly, like in soap operas. If they really want to bring another nemesis-like character, maybe it'd be better to find another one. Or even maybe someone else's nemesis?
Also, I remember my NYC days. Moving around was easy enough (I had no car ), but it sure would take some time. I don't have any particular reference right now, as in episodes or scenes. The time lapses are mostly well done, also in the Mothership series, where they occasionally have to semi-stalk judges in the evening to have them sign a supina, warrant or whatever they need to have signed to proceed with the investigation. But I do remember I occasionally thought: wow, they moved real quick. They went from this to that part of the town/5 boroughs and all... in virtually no time, the sun is still up, lol. 36 hrs days?! They move by car, don't they? And they can't use the lights & co. even for 'ordinary' moving, can they?
I don't know, just one of those silly details I notice...

::tries to remember if I pilfered any pictures::

If I have, I apologize. This is something I haven't actually thought much about. I guess I just figured since they all come from public sites anyway, once they are posted they are fair game. I wasn't thinking about how much work is involved in tracking them down. That's one of the reasons I don't post more pictures....my computer and internet are so slow that if I try too hard to find too many pictures, I don't have time for my sparkling repartee. But I promise not to take any of your pictures in the future without permission.

I don't know how these things work, but can you put a watermark on them, like The Velocity of Vincent does (this is where I get most of my VDO pictures)? I remember last year one of our members posted pictures of herself and Vincent when she met him at the Nashville Film Festival and not long after they turned up on Ebay, being sold by someone else! Tasha went back and put watermarks on them...but of course it was too late to stop the thief. I know that is a little different because these were actually her personal pictures, but surely if VOV and Valentine Cat can put their watermarks on pictures, you could too.


Oh, and Sarah and LBD...I totally agree about Nicole Wallace. She's dead, dead, dead....and they really would be jumping the shark to concoct some story to resurrect her.

Wow, what an interesting thread. I'll give it a go. I believe the LIE stands for the Long Island Expressway which I believe exists but I don't live in NY so I can't say for sure.

As for swiping pictures, I'm as guilty as the next. When I see a cool pic I that's posted here, I figure it's fair game, unless otherwise marked. But I'll try to refrain from taking yours without credit to you.

As for speaking my mind... I'm exhausted thinking about old Bobby/current Bobby/future Bobby. I like them all but I just wish they were real. There. I said it. I wish he were real.
The End.

I'm shocked, fdl, shocked!

Wait a minute! You mean he's not?! ...



I guess I'm moody today but...

I need to clairify something...You can take any and all of my pictures...as long as you use them on another site! (this is my one and only so, I wont be jealous ) As to water marking them, do you know how time consuming that will be.,.I have 1000's of them! I do try to blur the edges of my favorites but sometimes I get caught in the moment and forget...(not due to meds or anything. )..But, I kinda want to be able to trust here.
I have come across some of Tjara's and have respectfully left them alone..(by the way, you go girl, some of your stuff is great! how come we dont see more of it here?) I work on the honor system, you know, take a penny, leave a penny...just a heads up is nice. I'm cool like that.

Now as to you "bring back Nichole" champaigners...I'm pretty sure that the writers...the NEW writers arent going to ruin the reputation of Dick Wolf and the Law and Order franchise by turning a great crime drama into sci fi/horror. Sorry to dissapoint but, you have to be real about this.It would ruin the credibility of the entire show. I dont think anyone would risk it.

Perhaps you can take your champaign to the FF threads and run with it...there seems to be a few people here that share your opinions...go forth and nichole fantasize to your hearts content!

Interesting thought though..Say Nichole does come back..how? as what a zombie...did that girl from the Logan episode work her voodoo on her too? OOoooooo spooky....lol



Good thing theres a Bobby the monster slayer and Alex the vamp slayer floating around here some where...bet the two of them can dispose of zombie Nichole right quick!

Kayne, who are you addressing this to?Are you saying noone can copy and paste your pics of VDO? People have copied mine and other members as well, do we need permission from you, is that what you're saying? Or post them on another board?

I only use here,specially in the picture game but it´s no big deal, I go to other forum and the majority of my avatars are Eames or both Eames and Goren but I look for them mostly on google photo search but I agree you like you photos and I´ll respect it.

I really like to see Nicole back to give a proper closure to her, not a so-called "death" which no one saw and could be a good turning point for Bobby to clean up his closed and put all skeletons away, I like Nicole as Bobby´s nemesis and I really hope a good story can come up this new season,just what I think. I also like to see a new ADA, like Sara properly mentioned, a new one is needed.

Another thing I´d like to see is the high spirit, no fights or problems after all, this is by far and for me the best forum I go and That´ s the reason I post here.

The LIE or L.I.E. - Long Island Expressway (I-495). It starts at the end of the Queens-Midtown Tunnel (on Long Island) and runs eastward across the northern part of the island until it dumps off on Rts. 25 and 58. It parallels the Sunrise Highway, which runs eastward along the southern end of Long Island, into the Hamptons.

Because I write so much CI FF, Google Maps and I are best friends now!

Wow.

I dunno where you got that from Krod...That is not at all what I said (methinks thou protest too much ) you totally misunderstood. I'm not a picture miser so please dont paint me out to be one.

I think if you guys reread my two posts here you'll see that I said nothing of the sort. Take them if you want, ya it will suck for me to see them posted right back here on these threads, but I will suck it up buttercup and soilder on...but I never said NO..I never said you needed permission..thats silly.

I just think its real tacky to do it, especially after I have made this request...the only request.... was to give me a heads up.

Thanks Cpahl, your a groovy guy...and to everyone who supports this thread.

I would too like to see a final closure as well of Nicole Wallace! We were sort of left hangin', with no body!!

From your post. We all have lots of pics as well.

Yay! I'm in good company! ::Humbly bows::



Nicely said, fdl! That about sums it up for me, too!

As for Nicole - much as I loved her sparring wars with Bobby, she is dead. The writer's made that irrevocable by putting her heart in a box and having the DNA match. No going back, unless they turn our show into a campy, wannabe soap opera. No way!

Goren needs a new nemesis. A man, this time. I'd love for him to have someone even smarter than he is, someone who is always one step ahead of him, frustrating him into "engaging" all the more in order to catch him. I'd love for Jeremy Irons to do a reprise of his evilness from Die Hard 3 - not the same character, obviously, but Irons does such "good" bad guys! As Gabriel Byrne is already taken by In Treatment, we can't have him, though he does evil so wonderfully, too!

I can just see it. Taunting phone calls to MCS, giving the location of the dead bodies that just keep piling up. The killer would be methodical and cold. Not a wild, sadistic type that would be more likely to make a mistake, but a cool-headed, truly evil person with no heart, no soul. Someone with no regard for human life, who feeds on the fear of his victims and murders them while looking straight into their eyes.

Oooo! I'm getting chills! I might have to write this guy....

ROTFLMBO! That is exactly what I said after "Frame"!

Go for it! I bet you'd do a great job!






You know, I would be OK with a secondary story where her body (what's left of it) turns up (maybe in conjunction with another case), to provide the closure that some folks are hoping for.

Simon says... he got stuck on the LIE coming back from his safe-place in Ronkonkoma. There was a detour and he had to take the Van Wyck exit. But he's trying his best to be at 1PP in time.

OBC, I love your idea of having Jeremy Irons as the bad guy!!

Maybe we should petition Dick Wolk to get Jeremy to do it! LOL! I love that guy. He does good guys well, but he's also so good at doing creepy bad guys. And then there's the combination of good and bad he did in Dead Ringers (about the twins who slept with the same woman). Evil twin/good twin and I think they were both gynecologists. Talk about creepy! And then there was Lolita - a fascinating movie, though hard to watch at times.

Yeah, just for closure!

Actually, though I'm in no way an advocate for the possibility of her return, there is a plausible way to do it. Rodgers matched the DNA from the heart to the DNA from her database, correct? I figured it would be easiest to alter the records in her database, and switch hers with the dead person's. Though I think that might be too far-fetched to believe a deranged person like Declan was capable of.



Sorry, but I think Nicole was the perfect nemesis, and anything else would fall flat, especially a man, because nothing could ever match the sexual tension that existed between Nicole and Bobby.

Awww! Thanks, LBD!

Yeah, finding Nicole's decomposed body would be nice closure for our detectives...though maybe it would just be bones by now...

Ack! I never felt there was any sexual tension, so that wouldn't make any difference for me. I do think Bobby would feel much more territorial and insulted by a male who could one-up him at every turn. It would trigger the "alpha-dog" in him and send his Type A personality into a tailspin in a way that not even Nicole could have achieved.

A body is required to make sure Nicole is really dead.

Blaah, Nichole, I got enough closure. Shall we discuss the other topic floating around? You know the one...Bobbys weight. That seems to be an issue here.



Ok, yes he really gained weight, but you have to consider that he was filming two or three? movies between the time of season 7 and 8...
Thats alot of eating out..(and we all know we go overboard when we eat out)...fast food, drinks after work...Not to mention all the long hours he puts in each day filming, plus all the promotional stuff. Fly here, fly there, sleep at this hotel (hotels are know for snacking), now this hotel..( I know I dont sleep well unless in my own bed(hence my walks of shame )..Its hard to take care of yourself when your "on the road" so to speak.

hell I cant even go camping for a week without coming home puffy, grouchy and gained five pounds! So, ya, I guess a year or so will do that to you. Plus his age is a factor, i heard that the older you get the harder it is to stay in shape, or to bounce back...

But it seems that he has been trying to get healthy...If you watch season 8 in the order intended you can see the changes in him already! I'm hoping he comes back with the old Goren Vigor!

I also noticed since he did that movie Full metal jacket, and had to pack on the weight, then the rapid weight loss for The Cell shows on him...the way his skin on his stomach is kinda loose in the nude scenes...wait... I need a moment...thinking of Carl, naked and suspended by chains, hovering over my body....WHEW!!

Ok, I broke outta the daze

Anyway, Vincent is a big guy, I like a big guy, With a little meat on em'....nothing worse then huggin' on a skinny dude where you can feel his ribs and boney arms!
Give me a big bear of a guy anyday!

Seriously Kayne-pictures are "your" thing? People have been posting pics on this site since it began. Did you copywrite them? Did you take them? I don't think so. I don't see where you give credit to the site or photographer that you got them from. Yes, it would be nice if people said thanks Kayne for the pic but to ask people not to use them (when most of them we have already seen on here before anyway)-that's going a little too far IMHO.

Whoa... slow down there...

Did anybody even read my posts?

Holy crap...where did I say they were mine all mine?! Where did I say that I wouldnt share? Where did I say they are absolutly mine, no one can have them, no one can take them from me..Sheesh, I know I didnt take the actual photograph...but I did dig for them...sorry if you've seen them all before. But I plainly stated I would and have been sharing them...just sux that as soon as I place one, it's pinched and re posted...the same day... As for giving credit where credit is due..umm ya I have...I said so before...up there...how when I take some from the sites I always give them a heads up, I will use them in good faith kinda thing..(again maybe read the posts before you get froggy and ready to jump) I dont think I took anything too far...

Matter of fact, somewhere around here I posted to Ciaddict that I would give her loads of them because I thought her photobucket was on the fritz...but I guess that doesnt matter huh?

Sorry if I pissed people off...well not really, because I'm a little pissed myself...how many times, and ways do I have to post this? As for the "its my thing"...it kinda is...yes you guys have your pictures and use them well, but all of you here know that I use them to express myself...humm at first everyone appreciated that quality..but not so much anymore huh? Groovy. Guess you can call me the picture Nazi from now on..OK...Ok...whatever.

I am however a little upset that you feel this way Hullbound...really...My statements were either read wrong or I wrote them wrong, but To make myself perfactly clear...take the pictures, do what you want with them, I have no control over what you do, but I find it tacky to do so. Hope theres no more misunderstandings.

Anyone else?

I'm sorry if I misunderstood Kayne I don't want to argue. I do enjoy your pictures and your posts. But you are the one who said ".You can take any and all of my pictures...as long as you use them on another site!" Guess I don't understand what the big deal about other people using your pictures is. I know I shouldn't assume anything but I imagine that you put them on here for other people to enjoy. I've spent hours myself photoshopping pics and when other people find them here or on photobucket and use them I take it as a compliment and am glad that they enjoy them.

I would like that. Her character really galled me.
There is no closure until we see her dead face,
because there is always a way to explain away
anything, like switching dna, etc. They like to
keep deaths open so there's always a last chance
for them to get together, maybe go out in a blaze
of bullets as we see him fire his gun for the first
time, gack!

**sigh** I do want people to enjoy them, if I didnt, well then my post would be pretty boring. The "take my pics and use on another site" was a rebutle to a pm and Krods response the first time I had to defend myself...never said ask for permission...not once..

You guys are taking things outta context...crap I wish I knew how to copy my first posts down here...so I could point out where Im not a B**ch about it...just wanted to B**ch about it...get it...? Probably not...ok...one more time...I dont mind if you take the pics...I mind them being posted, mere seconds after I posted it..you know? Take them , enjoy, but a heads up would be nice...

Ok..maybe this will do the trick...ok..pretend you write FF...you love your FF..and after you posted your three pages of stuff that you are proud of, someone comes along behind you and changes it up, put pictures where they arent supposed to be, decides to rewrite it their way..totally not the way you intended it to be read...and then just goes about their business like they werent even there...you'd be like AH HELL NO!! Am I right?

Please, if I'm in the wrong here, let me know...

Well, I guess I'll post my 1 and 1/2 cent here...

I really do not think it's a matter of copyright infringement, even though reading a couple of replies to Kayne, it could sound almost so
I totally understood the intent in Kayne's first post. The photo she posts are "her own thing" in the way that she spends time looking for them, uploading them to *her* photobucket account and choosing one that is appropriate with the text she writes and its tone. It has been mentioned earlier in this thread, it could be useful to add a watermark or something. But this also takes time, of course. Moreover, they are not Kayne's personal photos, but mostly screen captions. This being said... I think we are only talking about fair play here. If someone wants to use a photo Kayne (or anyone else, for that matter) posted, well fine, use it.

However, I think there are different possible scenarios:

1. photo re-used on this same board: well, fine... it's floating around here. No biggy, right? A bit like in the Caption it! thread. One can repost a photo and change the caption, of course.
   
2. photo re-used on another website: the photo Kayne posted here already comes from another website, where she left a note to say she would use it for this or that purpose, blah blah blah... (which, by the way I find a *very* respectful way to use someone else's online photo collection).
   

   If the photo hasn't been modified by Kayne (faded borders, for example), it may be posted elsewhere, just as it was picked up from the same site Kayne visited in the first place.
   
   If Kayne modified the photo a little bit (fade borders or other minor changes), well in this case, if I wanted to re-post it somewhere else, it would be Fair Play notifying Kayne. Like, "hey, that photo really rocks! Where did you get it?" or "hey, that photo is so cool, I'm gonna post it on that other website I visit..."
   
   It's not asking for permission, it's just being nice and show some appreciation to her work or time she spent posting the photos we all love so much. Coz we gotta be honest here. Who doesn't like those photos and how they fit perfectly with the text?

So, let's just be nice and if we want to re-post one of the photos Kayne used, at least let's upload it on *our own* photobucket account, so Kayne's account bandwidth doesn't exceed the limit (when it does, none of her photos will be viewable by anyone). This may sound a technicality and also, I haven't checked if the "re-posted photos" were actually posted using Kayne's photobucket url or uploaded on another photobucket account. Take this technicality with a big grain of salt, please...

In the end... Play safe and be nice, kids or play nice and be safe?



PS: as for Mr D'Onofrio weight issues... Well, if I was a man and an actor, and they asked me to put on 40 pounds for a role... and then lose 'em in 2 months for that other role... I'm not sure I would accept the roles, lol. But I'm a woman, and if I was an actress, they would just have to try and ask me to shift weight that fast. I would knock 'em out with a kick in the *****.
Seriously, I don't know what to think about actors weight problems, lol. I do know some actors do not work out at all, unless they are required to be particularly fit for a specific role. In that case, they cut on the pasta and spend hours in the gym, I guess. But other than that, I think it all depends on the person. For example, I gain weight when I'm very stressed. I could starve myself or go vegetarian and work out etc... but I would still gain fat. Other people just become skinny hangmen when they are stressed.
I do not travel as much as VDO probably does, but I know a bit about travelling, hotels, moving, change beds, food, drinks... It's so easy to go way over board, probably because we get tired from the whole travelling.
Plus, when you attend 'official dinners' you can't really say: I'm skipping desert, thanks... or no thanks, I'll have some still water all dinner long, lol...
And you can't even think of skipping all the other meals coz you're gonna eat like a pig at dinner.
One of the things you are told when you want to have a better diet is: Eat breakfast as a King, Lunch as a Queen and Dinner as a Prince. I'm not sure the translation from the Italian version is correct, but it means we should eat more at breakfast, ok at lunch and little at dinner.
Then, I think that if all the official meetings, galas, events etc... were at breakfast time or at lunch, VDO's weight would come back to normal
AND this PS is way too long... I'm gonna cut it here

IMO, we all find our own pics, and yes, as HB said we do copy and use others, so what? That's not plagerism! That's when you copy something someone has written! Kayne, you did clearly state they were YOUR pics! I'm not hear to argue either, but you wanted this topic, we all have a right to say how we feel, and the way you posted it, clearly was offensive.We all enjoy your pics and little responses you put, but HB sure has made quite a number of stuff, including the fan cards for alot of us!

Ok here we go, round 2...or is it 3? DING DING...

First off, Thank you Sara, I may not agree entirely with what you said but you did put it eloquently .

I never said the word plagerism...that was all you guys.. never said copyright either...just said a lil respect please...What if I started posting candles every morning? Wouldnt that hurt Lynnanns feelings? Isnt that "her thing"? And Hullbounds fan club cards...I agree, it was very nice of her to make them...I asked for one myself...gave her a bunch of zen flowers as a bribe to go with the request...But what if I took that card and changed it, made it my own original thought and started handing them out? wouldnt that sting a little?Or if I started coping Chimeras Hoss pugg spiel....its not right....

For the record...I dont want kudos...I dont want you guys having to say this is Kaynes pic in every post...its silly...all I wanted was exactly what Sara said...a little respect and appreciation for the time I put in...but hey, guess you cant have everything....

I really dont see how I "offended" anyone...thats a little extreme...I didnt say Krod, stop taking my pictures did I? And yes...they are my pics...I placed them in my photobucket account myself.and did all the edits..."clearly offensive " doesnt apply here, No thin skins...does however apply. There is obviously nothing "clear" about what I said, or else it wouldnt have gotten this far....in the future I will try to be more blunt...heh heh..



I love how no one wants to argue but...lol. Sorry but I find that funny...and ironic.. I know some of you have been against this thread from the get go...and you are absolutly right...I did ask for it...And its serving its purpose nicely..

I wonder to myself where all my pm supporters are? Please dont be afraid to make your thoughts public. There are no ramifications on the thread....Well other then taking a few hits on the chin...and half the people here thinking I'm a picture whore and all, but hey...you say tomato, I say vodka...

I still stand behind what I've said. No matter how outta context it was taken. And will continue to post here.

Hmmm....good points on the picture posting, Sara.

As for VDO's weight. Well, I love him no matter what he weighs. I actually love the "polar bear" look. But I remember, before becoming a member here, reading on the NBC message board a discussion about it. There were a few people who felt that VDO had "sacrificed" his Robert Goren character in order to do movie roles that required the extra weight. They felt that the change in direction LOCI took in season 6, with Goren's personal story taking prominence, was because they had to account for Goren's weight gain and the different way he moves because of it. And they felt that VDO owed it to the fans who have made Goren popular to give that role more than any movie role...and he should lose weight to do it.

Now...I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg (actually, I DO know..but that's a theological discussion for another place and time ), was the show changed to accomodate VDO's weight gain. Or...having gained the weight for a movie role, did he keep it on because it fit with the direction the show was going with Goren (this is my favorite theory). Or...did he gain the weight for a movie, thinking that he could quickly get it off just as he always had in the past, only to discover that age and metabolism are now against him?

I don't really buy that the show changed directions because of his weight gain...VDO said in an interview before season 6 that he wanted to see the "deconstruction of Goren". So it may have been his "fault" that the show changed, but not because of his weight...rather I think it was Warren Leight and his writers going with VDO's wishes for Goren.

But I'm curious what others think about this idea that VDO "owes" Goren's fans to get him back to the way he was in the early seasons? I'm afraid I can't be very impartial because I love season 6-8 Goren and the stories.

And on a final note....I think it was in TV Guide once, a comment was made that if Kathryn Erbe had gained the kind of weight that VDO has, she would be replaced. I would like to think that the producers are as loyal to her as they have been to VDO...but I think there may be some truth there.

Kayne, on the candle issue, to set the story straight, as you put, I was asked by a fellow member here, by e-mail, if I would post a candle for those with a terminal illness, or not terminal, and somehow I slacked on the job, and Lynnann took over from there, so IMO, it helped me, and I appreciate it, that IMO, has nothing to do with this subject.

See, I'm such a cr***y fan. I didn't think of the movies he was filming while also filming LOCI. D'OH!
Well... in this case, my Major theory is... he had to gain weight for the movie. Maybe thought getting rid of it wouldn't be such a big problem. Then getting back to the original weight didn't turn out to be as easy as expected. LOCI just followed the flow...
I don't think the LOCI people brainstormed too much about the weight issue. After all, they managed to slip in 2 pregnancies in the story

On the other hand, I am sure weight changes in actresses do have a bigger influence on roles and contracts, compared to actors.
This is a way too wide topic. It's not the movie business, really. It's the way we look at people, in general. A man who is overweight can still be considered sexy or attractive anyway. While a woman overweight is generally not considered attractive. I said generally, because it is always, man or woman, a matter of personal taste. We all have our own preferences...
Think of how many LOCI male fans would love to see chubby female detectives?

Yes, I have said before, VDO gets older and bigger and grayer...and hotter. I get older and bigger and grayer....and not so hot.

haha! and today I was asked for my ID because I wanted a beer it makes me giggle, but it's somewhat sad also, LOL...
What the... my ID?!? Whatever...

::: ducks to avoid flying to-mah-toes :::

Sigh...I can't remember the last time I was asked for my ID. But then, I also can't remember the last time I did anything that would require an ID. Now I'm trying to come to grips with the fact that it won't be too much longer before I will be showing my ID in order to get my senior citizen discounts. At least I hope I have to show ID for that, for a very long time.

Aaahh ciadict, as someone who has been getting the senior citizen discount for some time I can tell you that the first few times you are asked if you want it your feelings will be hurt a little but you get used to it and before long you will ask for it.
VDO is like aged wine. The older the better.

I really don´t want to heat up things but after reading all posts I came across much problem for nothing and unnecessary tension for about anything. Kayne s post are her own, not the photos, she likes to present her opinion and posts with the pics and it´s fine to me and I think all other members too, it´s great different from my case, I only use when it is required, like the party topic , Kathryn´s photos, etc, not that those images are hers, you can find almost everywhere and I have some too and for coincidence, some are kayne´s , that isn´t the issue, I think she tried to say something but was not interpreted right, any one has a different way to expression, my posts are mostly short and I use image on my sigs and as I previously mentioned and I still thing it´s no reason for any animosity, I think it´s more useful to forget the whole thing and move on, I´m not attacking or reprehending anyone but let´s enjoy the series which is full of things to talk about.

I really don´t care about Vince´s weight, I can see he is a little fat but he is now doing something to lose it and become in shape, the way he used to be or a little lighter, I don´t like the current way of behave and dressing of Goren, he looks bad and laze, different from previous seasons which he was all dress up and in a good attitude but I believe writers and Vince will change it and bring back the good old Goren but I like him anyway after all he is good at what he does.

I believe and I want a decent closure for Nicole, she needs it, the story needs it and so Goren, just being dead, without a body is too easy and we know Nicole isn´t easy to get rid and that´s the reason I believe she will return, I know most don´t like her and want her dead but why not with a good closure, in a great style, with Bobby gets the final victory over her.

Woo! Well, I'll jump in again now. In the interest of respecting the time and effort it takes to search the 'Net for all those great pics, Kayne, I'd like to say that I wouldn't mind snagging a few now and then and putting them on my own Photobucket page for personal use in collages and sigs. I've done image searches now and then, and I have a lot of screen caps thanks to The Reel, but it does take a long time searching out photos. I found that out the night I started out to memorialize Michael Jackson with a collage. I had to weed through tons and tons of bad pics to get really good ones of him in his younger days. Took me hours! So I "get it" about the time and energy expended searching them out.

As for Vincent's weight, I've been over it before on other boards and I have to say that I'm attracted to the man and just because he's gained weight doesn't mean I'm not attracted anymore. Do I love that lithe, sexy body from S2? You bet! But I also love the way he looks now. I think he's just as attractive now, he just looks different. And sometimes I think that what really bothers people is that he just looks older than he did back then. Well, duh! But still, it reminds us all that we are aging and if there's one thing our society can't stand, it's getting older. And why? We all have to do it, and we can do it with style! And I love that Vincent is so up front and real about stuff. I saw an interview where he made a crack about not doing any bikini contests anytime soon so... LOL!

Men are more visual than women and there are plenty of them out there that wouldn't like it if KE gained a bunch of weight. And to them I would say, "BAH!" 'Course, I ain't exactly a featherweight myself. I hover around 178-180 right now with a few kickin' curves. Do some men not give me a second look? Sure. Do I care? No. Ask me how many men give me a second, third, and fourth look. LOL! Plenty!

Love your signature, OBC. Great idea with 9/11 coming. Oh! I've got a picture I posted in my fanfic about 9/11...think I'll add it to my signature. And we have a 9/11 thread...I'll find it and bump it up.

Found it! I posted a couple of pics there.

Cpahl, you seem like a reasonably sane person...care to adopt one of my childern? lol...kidding...I'm kidding...maybe...Thanks for everything.

Of course you can swipe them OBC...swiper no swiping!...sorry couldnt resist!

As to Vincents weight gain, he still looks good, largely due to his great acting skills...Its true when I first saw him this last season, I was like ohhh poor Bobby what happened? But then I started getting into the story line and all the shock wore off...He totally did not drop the ball in this season, he acted what the writers wrote....wait , that sounds wierd...he acted what the writers wrote..ya thats right...hummm. He played Bobby Goren to the fullest with what he had to work with...Though I would really like to see more of the Goren lean and how he pops up and down like he's made of springs...(a little more of that and he'll slim down nicely )..But He can stay heavy or thin...I just want him healthy and happy to do another season! But I prefer a little meat on him...love those chubby cheeks he gets!