Gemuk91
Aug 11 2009, 01:32 AM
I just heard that Jinx is not returning to the show . This is sad to me as much as Mary is the star of the show, the character of Jinx was starting to get intresting, I wish the powers that be would just let the characters grow and be part of the whole story line, the powers that be stated to do that , then like a lot of other shows just left off and just moved on it is nuts. this is how people loose intrest in shows, as of today i will still watch the show, how ever if it stats to change to much , I am gone, Please don't become just another cop show,
firelightandash
Aug 11 2009, 01:48 AM
I thought that Lesley Ann Warren was returning as a regular guest star and not a series regular, meaning she'd be in fewer episodes? Or the same but paid differently? And Todd Williams as well.
I really like Jinx (and Bobby D) and am reasonably sad about this. I love Lesley Ann Warren. And I know a lot of people find Mary's family frustrating, and they are, but I don't understand the hate I see for them. I feel like they give Mary a lot of depth as a character and add interest to her life story. The only thing I can come up with is that they take too much time away from Marshall (which upsets a lot of Mary/Marshall shippers). I like Marshall a lot and I love his banter with Mary, but I also love Mary's family and the way Mary interacts with them. Mary's family makes Mary real; we'd have no clue what a mess she actually was if it weren't for them. I'm sad they're further cutting Warren from the show, as she spent most of this last season shipped off to rehab.
KellyK
Aug 11 2009, 09:24 AM
I've thought several times since the beginning of the show that the actress playing Jinx was really good and I'm sure I've seen her in other things just not sure what. I wonder what she will be doing while she is appearing less on IPS. Does anyone know?
AmmoDog
Aug 11 2009, 10:53 AM
QUOTE (Gemuk91 @ Aug 11 2009, 02:32 AM)

I just heard that Jinx is not returning to the show . This is sad to me as much as Mary is the star of the show, the character of Jinx was starting to get intresting, I wish the powers that be would just let the characters grow and be part of the whole story line, the powers that be stated to do that , then like a lot of other shows just left off and just moved on it is nuts. this is how people loose intrest in shows, as of today i will still watch the show, how ever if it stats to change to much , I am gone, Please don't become just another cop show,
Jinx and Bobby D will not be regulars, but appear in very few episodes as guest stars. I like Bobby D but the storyline of Jinx' drawn out rehab and getting clean was kind of a downer.....plus you KNOW the FBI will never fix her house!!!!
madhatter85
Aug 11 2009, 11:00 AM
QUOTE (KellyK @ Aug 11 2009, 09:24 AM)

I've thought several times since the beginning of the show that the actress playing Jinx was really good and I'm sure I've seen her in other things just not sure what.
I primarily know Lesley Ann Warren from the Julie Andrews movie Victor/Victoria (amazing movie, go rent it!). She plays James Garner's dim witted yet horny girlfriend. When I first saw IPS I didn't recognize her immediately; I just kept thinking, "oh man...I know that voice from somewhere."
She was also on a couple episodes of Will and Grace playing the mistress of Will's father.
leighann1001
Aug 11 2009, 11:09 AM
Lesley Ann Warren has been around forever. She played Cinderella in the Rogers and Hammerstein musical back in '65. To this day mother complains about that. She thinks Warren was "too plain" to play Cinderella. But it's supposed to be a classic version of the story.
Summer_Fun
Aug 11 2009, 10:13 PM
The articles on the web regarding the change of Todd Williams and Lesley Ann Warren to recurring or guest stars say NOTHING about the number of episodes in which they will appear.
tvnerd
Aug 12 2009, 09:58 AM
QUOTE (KellyK @ Aug 11 2009, 10:24 AM)

I've thought several times since the beginning of the show that the actress playing Jinx was really good and I'm sure I've seen her in other things just not sure what. I wonder what she will be doing while she is appearing less on IPS. Does anyone know?
Oaky ready for the long list of places you may have seen Lesley Ann Warren in. Besides the Cinderella, Victor/Victoria, & Will & Grace allready mentioned we have she had some guest roles in Desprate Housewives, Crossing Jordon, The Practice, Touched By an Angel, & lets not forget my personal favorite Mission Impossible (70's tv show).
She has also been in some of my favorite movies. Clue (80's movie) as Miss Scarlet. (After watching her be Miss Scarlet, I always had to be her when playing Clue.) She's also been in a couple of my favorite old Disney moveies: The Happiest Millionaire, & The One and Only, Genuine, Original Family Band.
These are just a very few of the things you may have seen her in. If these didn't help check out IMDB; she has 104 listed under her actress part. Not to mention soundtracks & others.
firelightandash
Aug 12 2009, 11:47 AM
QUOTE (tvnerd @ Aug 12 2009, 09:58 AM)

She has also been in some of my favorite movies. Clue (80's movie) as Miss Scarlet.
One of my favorite movies ever and I
loved her in it.
RaoulNeppar
Aug 19 2009, 03:21 PM
This is so typical of programming executives who think they have their finger on the pulse. IPS has been a huge success so naturally they find it necessary to fire David Maples and drastically alter the show's direction. A prediction if I may, IPS without it's original creator and cast won't survive another two seasons. Control freak network chiefs are destroying good shows before they are out of their diapers. The recent body count is staggering, October Road, Jericho, Men in Trees, Moonlight, ad infinitum. Wouldn't it be marvelous if we could cancel the execs and keep the television?
cucumber
Aug 19 2009, 09:24 PM
QUOTE (Gemuk91 @ Aug 11 2009, 01:32 AM)

I just heard that Jinx is not returning to the show . This is sad to me as much as Mary is the star of the show, the character of Jinx was starting to get intresting, I wish the powers that be would just let the characters grow and be part of the whole story line, the powers that be stated to do that , then like a lot of other shows just left off and just moved on it is nuts. this is how people loose intrest in shows, as of today i will still watch the show, how ever if it stats to change to much , I am gone, Please don't become just another cop show,
Now if they could just get rid of the sister and boyfriend. I'd rather follow Mary and her career, not her private life. All those sub-stories are just filler. I'd rather try to figure Mary out by what I see when she's doing her marshal thing, allow me to piece her together from what I gather from her professional life. I don' t appreciate all the disclosure. In my opinion, it dumbs down the show.
firelightandash
Aug 20 2009, 01:05 AM
I'm just the opposite. I love Mary's family even though they are incredibly frustrating and I like watching her interact with them. They give her incredible depth. If you didn't see them, you wouldn't get why she was so bitter, it would just be a woman bitching constantly about her life which would be terribly, terribly dull TV. Bringing them to life makes Mary much more sympathetic.
I don't find Mary's and Marshall's witnesses all that interesting most of the time. Seeing Mary through her work is just part of her and I hope it doesn't become the only part. They did that on SVU, exposing Benson's and Stabler's private lives through their jobs (where many times, their families were actually involved) and it made for some really crappy television.
Plus, balance is good. I love Marshall, but he's even more endearing because he isn't in every second of every shot of every episode. Sort of an "absence makes the heart grow fonder" deal.
I don't really get why USA is going to change something that is working for them anyway.
closetfan
Aug 20 2009, 09:17 AM
While I find Mary's family annoying, the show would become boring very fast if they were eliminated. You can have just so many stories with Mary and her witnesses.
And we all know that as soon as Mary and Marshall hook up, the show's over. (It happened with Moonlighting, Dr. Mike and countless other stories)
KellyK
Aug 20 2009, 04:54 PM
Without Mary's family and boyfriend to interact with we will be left with just another cop show.
cucumber
Aug 20 2009, 05:21 PM
QUOTE (KellyK @ Aug 20 2009, 04:54 PM)

Without Mary's family and boyfriend to interact with we will be left with just another cop show.
Which I prefer to cop show-soap opera.
firelightandash
Aug 20 2009, 05:38 PM
I don't get why people are watching things they don't like. Stop watching and it'll go off the air, and then you won't be subjected to any more of cop-y soap opera.
cucumber
Aug 22 2009, 10:50 AM
QUOTE (firelightandash @ Aug 20 2009, 05:38 PM)

I don't get why people are watching things they don't like. Stop watching and it'll go off the air, and then you won't be subjected to any more of cop soap opera.
I don't get why some people think you have to like everything about a show to watch and (mostly) like it. Using that that logic, some people should stop reading message boards because they might find a comment they don't like.
firelightandash
Aug 22 2009, 11:41 PM
Nope, try again.
If you don't like Mary's family life, which is a bigger part of the show than even the witnesses, why are you watching the show? Wouldn't you mostly dislike the show then?
JaredD
Aug 24 2009, 02:51 PM
Any speculations on how they are going to serve up a Jinxless household. We know they are not going to kill her off, since she will be recurring.
Are they going to?
Marry her off?
Get her a job (a cosmetic company, for instance) in another city?
Hook her up with a show again and then send her on the road?
Have her become so overwhelmed by Mary’s accident that her “foot slips” and it’s back to rehab?
Move her in with Brandi and Peter?
Send her on a James quest?
Kelwarrior
Aug 24 2009, 03:11 PM
QUOTE (JaredD @ Aug 24 2009, 02:51 PM)

Any speculations on how they are going to serve up a Jinxless household. We know they are not going to kill her off, since she will be recurring.
Are they going to?
Marry her off?
Get her a job (a cosmetic company, for instance) in another city?
Hook her up with a show again and then send her on the road?
Have her become so overwhelmed by Mary’s accident that her “foot slips” and it’s back to rehab?
Move her in with Brandi and Peter?
Send her on a James quest?
I'm voting for option # 3. Seems appropriate some how, after all, that was her dream.
firelightandash
Aug 24 2009, 04:59 PM
I think she still might be living with Mary & Brandi but you just don't see her as often. Give her a job now that she's sober and all they have to do is have Mary & Brandi say things like, "Mom's at work" or "I spoke to Mom on the phone and..."
Esme49
Aug 25 2009, 06:40 PM
QUOTE (KellyK @ Aug 11 2009, 09:24 AM)

I've thought several times since the beginning of the show that the actress playing Jinx was really good and I'm sure I've seen her in other things just not sure what. I wonder what she will be doing while she is appearing less on IPS. Does anyone know?
Hi. She's Leslie Ann Warren & you may have seen her in Will & Grace, if you watched that show, as Will's father's girlfriend...she was wonderful as Tina. She's been around forever! Check her out in www.imdb.com.
Esme49
Aug 25 2009, 06:53 PM
QUOTE (cucumber @ Aug 20 2009, 05:21 PM)

Which I prefer to cop show-soap opera.

I agree. For some reason I find it very stressful following a 'personal' storyline. I much prefer the 'guts' of the show. It's a show about the witnesses they protect & how they protect & interact with them. That's what I want to see. That and their interoffice dynamic is good for me. The moment their personal disfunctional lives overtake what the show title implies, I'm done. The Unit & 24 are perfect examples of this. I don't care about their personal development. Just the facts of the implied story, ma'am.
cucumber
Aug 26 2009, 03:13 PM
QUOTE (firelightandash @ Aug 23 2009, 12:41 AM)

Nope, try again.
If you don't like Mary's family life, which is a bigger part of the show than even the witnesses, why are you watching the show? Wouldn't you mostly dislike the show then?
Number 1: The Witness Protection aspect of the show is of interest to me. Her family situation is trivial, it's filler. Writers' attempts to flush out a character with stereotypical baggage (baggage seems to appeal to people): abusive, or non-existent, or alcoholic, or depressed, sick parent. What an original twist! Do you think people would watch the show if it weren't for the witness protection angle? Do you think they would tune in only to watch her family? Seriously?
Number 2: What's it to you? I guess your interest in why I watch the show is reflective of your interest in the soap opera angle of the show. Really, find something else to fret over. There's more to life than fretting over why someone likes a television show. I promise you.
firelightandash
Aug 26 2009, 03:47 PM
QUOTE (cucumber @ Aug 26 2009, 04:13 PM)

Number 1: The Witness Protection aspect of the show is of interest to me. Her family situation is trivial, it's filler. Writers' attempts to flush out a character with stereotypical baggage (baggage seems to appeal to people): abusive, or non-existent, or alcoholic, or depressed, sick parent. What an original twist! Do you think people would watch the show if it weren't for the witness protection angle? Do you think they would tune in only to watch her family? Seriously?
Number 2: What's it to you? I guess your interest in why I watch the show is reflective of your interest in the soap opera angle of the show. Really, find something else to fret over. There's more to life than fretting over why someone likes a television show. I promise you.
Number 1: Do you think people would tune in week after week to watch someone who's really bitchy for no reason? People know why Mary has a mean streak and they STILL think she's too mean. Do you think they would be more sympathetic to the character if they didn't know why? The show is about Mary, not necessarily the witness protection program. Her job is part of her life, her family is too. If we never saw her family, all we would see is someone who was more or less bitter and closed off and generally unpleasant to everyone around her just because she can be. Her family makes her sympathetic and gives her depth. You take that away, Mary is just a nasty woman.
Number 2: Oh please. It's a discussion board about a television show. I asked you a question, and a general question to the rest of the board. If you don't want to discuss why you watch the television show, then why are you here?
cucumber
Aug 26 2009, 06:42 PM
QUOTE (firelightandash @ Aug 26 2009, 04:47 PM)

If you don't want to discuss why you watch the television show, then why are you here?
There you go again, worrying about what
I do.
The dysfunctional family angle is one attached to half the protagonists in TV dramas. I can do without the cliched characterization.
This show would never be broadcast without the Witsec angle. That's what's unique about the show, the Witsec program. I'm surprised you watch the show and haven't figured that out.
firelightandash
Aug 26 2009, 07:43 PM
QUOTE (cucumber @ Aug 26 2009, 07:42 PM)

There you go again, worrying about what I do.
The dysfunctional family angle is one attached to half the protagonists in TV dramas. I can do without the cliched characterization.
This show would never be broadcast without the Witsec angle. That's what's unique about the show, the Witsec program. I'm surprised you watch the show and haven't figured that out.
You seem pretty concerned with me, so give me a break. I "fret" and "worry" about what you do. I merely commented you don't seem to like the show too much and asked why you were watching it, and you got pretty defensive about it. Insecure much? (Rhetorical question. Don't you worry, I don't actually care.)
If you don't want to watch the family angle, watch Law & Order. The witness protection angle is only part of the show, not the whole thing (speaking of things that should have been figured out by now). USA shows tend to be more character driven. The program and its witnesses seem to be more of a vehicle for Mary to grow and learn than anything else. WitSec does make it unique but it's also easier to learn things from watching living witnesses than from investigating murder victims.
KellyK
Aug 27 2009, 04:20 PM
This show started out being about this Mary character who works as a Federal Marshall. With the creator of the show no longer being a writer of the show it would not surprise me if it became more about the Witness Protection Program than showing how Mary interacts with other people - family or otherwise. It would seem most new shows these days only last about 1 - 3 seasons before someone attempts to improve them by making changes. In Plain Sight has the potential to become a great show and run for a very long time but I have doubts that it will. It seems to include two unique aspects that make it popular. Drop one or the other or focus on only one aspect and we now have an ordinary show. Without knowing who the new writers are or what type of work they are known for I cannot tell what the show will become. But when I hear "change" is coming I am hesitant about investing myself in a show I formerly liked. Personally I liked the show as it was and enjoyed seeing the failures and victories of all the characters. I suppose Time Will Tell if we are to have another "robot" cop or a human being that struggles and at times overcomes personal issues while being a cop.
awnm
Sep 11 2009, 08:04 AM
I found
this article about Lesley Ann Warren today. I'm guessing that reducing her screen time on the show was either her idea or a mutual decision. Sounds like she wants to do more with theater again.
Thought you might find it interesting.
Maryinseattle
Sep 11 2009, 11:38 PM
I'm trying to be optimistic about this. Let's face it, there's less drama now that Jinx is sober, so it makes sense to cut back her character a bit. Note that they're not getting rid of Brandi, and one of the articles on the E! Online site said that they are adding a new character next year. For all we know that could be Lauren, the prodigal half-sister, or even Mary's father. I can't believe that even the NBC Universal suits are so stupid that they don't realize this is a character-driven show. They're also not getting rid of Raphael, and he's definitely not part of Mary's work life. I'm pretty sure they'll hook him up with Brandi. Peter is way too normal and healthy for her.
Basia77
Sep 11 2009, 11:58 PM
QUOTE (Maryinseattle @ Sep 11 2009, 09:38 PM)

I'm trying to be optimistic about this. Let's face it, there's less drama now that Jinx is sober, so it makes sense to cut back her character a bit. Note that they're not getting rid of Brandi, and one of the articles on the E! Online site said that they are adding a new character next year. For all we know that could be Lauren, the prodigal half-sister, or even Mary's father. I can't believe that even the NBC Universal suits are so stupid that they don't realize this is a character-driven show. They're also not getting rid of Raphael, and he's definitely not part of Mary's work life. I'm pretty sure they'll hook him up with Brandi. Peter is way too normal and healthy for her.
Do you remember which article mentioned that they were adding a new character?
I'm curious because I don't remember reading that and I've been looking for some news on season three.
Maryinseattle
Sep 12 2009, 01:33 PM
QUOTE (Basia77 @ Sep 12 2009, 12:58 AM)

Do you remember which article mentioned that they were adding a new character?
I'm curious because I don't remember reading that and I've been looking for some news on season three.
I swear I read that somewhere but now I can't find it. Maybe I was dreaming. My bad.
repketchem
Sep 14 2009, 11:02 PM
They should NOT change anything with IPS. It is perfect just the way it is. I understand they got a new writer, but, they shouldn't change the general flow or the characters of In Plain Sight.
I have an idea, they make one episode in season 3 a big showdown between Mary and O'Connor, in which O'Connor gets in trouble (meaning he's dirty and needs to appear to clear his name) and needs Mary to help him. In return, he calls the FBI to fix Mary's house. He himself stays with Mary and they (unbeknownst to Mary) nearly cover his troubles up. He and Mary split up to get the evidence to clear O'Connor (frame someone else), but then Mary overhears one of the guys talking to O'Connor, and figures what he really needed her for. She confronts him when he tells the other guys to leave, and O'Connor ends up getting shot by Marshall (Who caught on to what he needed her for, by some brilliant short scene in which he reviews the case on his computer, and quickly leaves to go help Mary.) right before he was going to shoot her.
Kelwarrior
Sep 15 2009, 12:26 PM
QUOTE (repketchem @ Sep 14 2009, 11:02 PM)

They should NOT change anything with IPS. It is perfect just the way it is. I understand they got a new writer, but, they shouldn't change the general flow or the characters of In Plain Sight.
I have an idea, they make one episode in season 3 a big showdown between Mary and O'Connor, in which O'Connor gets in trouble (meaning he's dirty and needs to appear to clear his name) and needs Mary to help him. In return, he calls the FBI to fix Mary's house. He himself stays with Mary and they (unbeknownst to Mary) nearly cover his troubles up. He and Mary split up to get the evidence to clear O'Connor (frame someone else), but then Mary overhears one of the guys talking to O'Connor, and figures what he really needed her for. She confronts him when he tells the other guys to leave, and O'Connor ends up getting shot by Marshall (Who caught on to what he needed her for, by some brilliant short scene in which he reviews the case on his computer, and quickly leaves to go help Mary.) right before he was going to shoot her.
Sounds fun...I'd watch it!
LI_Ann
Sep 15 2009, 08:18 PM
From what I've read in this thread, I'm assuming that Leslie Ann Warren will appear in IPS but not regularly. Is that true?
I think that Mary's family and backstory give us an insight into what makes her tick. I do agree that some of the episodes have had a little too much Jinx and Brandi. The creators and writers of the show have to balance keeping the show going without making too many drastic changes. Fans never like too much change. At the same time, limiting the number of appearances by certain characters can be tricky. What actor/actress would want to go from a regular role to a once in a while role? There has to be a huge decrease in salary. Then again, I know Leslie Ann Warren likes to do theater but I don't know what else Brandi has done. I can't recall seeing her anywhere else.
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