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KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (iamrazed @ Nov 8 2009, 02:23 AM) *
I've read in the other posts about this guy named Dale. I've seen every episode, but somehow I don't remember who Dale is. blink.gif And can someone explain about the home that was lost to Dale?

Dale the Whale...He appears in about three episodes. Very Fat...Played though by three different actors...Very Rich but through illegal means...corrupt...He sued the Monks...and they ended up paying so many legal fees in the suit that they lost their home...won the suit though
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Tweedlebug @ Nov 7 2009, 07:32 PM) *
This is really sweet

Mr Monk Dreaming of Home

Thanks ....wonderful video...!
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (iamrazed @ Nov 5 2009, 12:18 AM) *
I guess we can rule-out the possibility of a pregnancy test being in that little box:

Liv:
LovAdrian:
Zippo2u:
Liv:

Other theories that were mentioned were along the lines of the box containing some sort of evidence or clue that would lead to Trudy's killer...or even give reasons to why she was killed.

Then there are other people who think that it's just a sentimental gift given to Adrian from Trudy and nothing else.

I like these two together, so sweet!:
Liv:
Tinythinker:
But yeah, there's a good chance that we will never know what's inside that gift since Monk liked not knowing what was inside...and also that there probably won't be a Christmas episode.

Maybe he will just open it BECAUSE...

Jace_Monk
héhé... I was thinking that maybe trudy put in the gift "Bread and Butter" in a plastic bag of course wink.gif

Seriously, this is really difficult to know since the writer did a wonderful job to give us so much possibilities (and actually, nothing at all) XD

But in a serious tone, the gift is probably only the gift itself, well wrapped up since Monk did mention that he didn't like gifts at all. He never know what he wants. And maybe Trudy decide to give him only the square, wrapped gift and knew that this is the perfect gift for him?.... well, either we'll know it by the end of the season or never.
icdogg
I think the gift almost has to provide the missing clue needed to solve the case. The Christmas list is even mentioned in the appointment book.
Austria
QUOTE (icdogg @ Nov 9 2009, 12:04 PM) *
I think the gift almost has to provide the missing clue needed to solve the case. The Christmas list is even mentioned in the appointment book.


I don't think so, it's too simple for such a series like Monk, and too unrealistic, because he hadn't wanted to open it due now, why should he do it exatly now?
I think the writers forgot it, or they want to leave it a mysterium.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Austria @ Nov 9 2009, 12:59 PM) *
I don't think so, it's too simple for such a series like Monk, and too unrealistic, because he hadn't wanted to open it due now, why should he do it exatly now?
I think the writers forgot it, or they want to leave it a mysterium.

I think the writers put this gift scenario in for a reason...and like I said on previous posts.. my guess is it is the key to their old home.
icdogg
QUOTE (Austria @ Nov 9 2009, 12:59 PM) *
I don't think so, it's too simple for such a series like Monk, and too unrealistic, because he hadn't wanted to open it due now, why should he do it exatly now?
I think the writers forgot it, or they want to leave it a mysterium.


Monk is not a realistic series, nor is it terribly complex. It is light comedy-drama.

I do not know WHY he opens the gift. There are plot devices that can easily be imagined to set up such a scenario though.

I also do not have any personal guesses as to exactly what is in the gift. Might not even be the gift itself that is the clue - could be the box indicating where the gift was purchased, or an enclosed card or tag. Or any number of things that potentially could trigger Monk to put things together.
iamrazed
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 8 2009, 01:50 AM) *
Dale the Whale...He appears in about three episodes. Very Fat...Played though by three different actors...Very Rich but through illegal means...corrupt...He sued the Monks...and they ended up paying so many legal fees in the suit that they lost their home...won the suit though

*smacks forehead* Oh my god, I can't believe I couldn't think of Dale the Whale! He came out in 3 episodes and had this legal battle with the Monks, but I couldn't for the life of me think that was the same Dale they were talking about! I thought it was some random guy who guest-starred in the show named Dale. blink.gif rolleyes.gif Excuse the stupidity and the brainfarts. laugh.gif



icdogg
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 9 2009, 01:10 PM) *
I think the writers put this gift scenario in for a reason...and like I said on previous posts.. my guess is it is the key to their old home.

The fact that the gift was mentioned in two separate episodes, and the Christmas list is on the appointment book in the "web exclusives" of the Trudy Case File, leads me to believe it has meaning.

Either way, it's a nagging loose end that screams to be settled. That and what we don't know about "Kelly Street".
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (iamrazed @ Nov 9 2009, 01:31 PM) *
*smacks forehead* Oh my god, I can't believe I couldn't think of Dale the Whale! He came out in 3 episodes and had this legal battle with the Monks, but I couldn't for the life of me think that was the same Dale they were talking about! I thought it was some random guy who guest-starred in the show named Dale. blink.gif rolleyes.gif Excuse the stupidity and the brainfarts. laugh.gif

No problem whatsoever...you didn't have to excuse yourself...I find myself realizing what I have asked somewhere on here... to be obvious after I get an answer. And I have had a couple of my theories blown completely out of the water by obvious things that I forgot about...
So, brain cramps are definitely something I have familiar with ...and anyway, I think we all know Dale as "The Whale" rather than by just his first name...it is probably too much of a compliment to call him just by his first name but makes for less typing on these posts... smile.gif
ProfessorAwesome
There is a note in the box saying "Adrian, if I happen to die you may want to look into....... because he is probably involved".
icdogg
QUOTE (ProfessorAwesome @ Nov 9 2009, 01:58 PM) *
There is a note in the box saying "Adrian, if I happen to die you may want to look into....... because he is probably involved".


I don't expect it to be quite that straightforward, but it might be just as obvious - to Monk, that is.
Liv
QUOTE (ProfessorAwesome @ Nov 9 2009, 12:58 PM) *
There is a note in the box saying "Adrian, if I happen to die you may want to look into....... because he is probably involved".


Kind of pessimistic note to be wrapped up in such bright, cheerful packaging. Kind of like a Dear John letter in an envelope with little hand drawn hearts all over it.

The uncertainty of it is kind of funny, though. "Oh, and as just a little aside, if I just happen to be murdered, there is the possibility that ____ is responsible, so you might want to start your investigation there. Just a suggestion. PS. Is it okay if we change chicken pot pie to Wednesday instead of Tuesday?" I just think if she thought she might be killed and put a clue to who might be responsible in the box, that she would be a bit more definite about it. But most likely, I think she'd probably put something like that in an envelope and put it somewhere he'd find it or give it to someone like a lawyer with the stipulation not to open it and if anything happened to her, to make sure Adrian got that envelope.

But the idea of there being something in that box that would lead him to her killer seems very plausible to me. Maybe not that Trudy intended it to, just that it might give him some clue as to where she had been in the days before she was killed that he wasn't aware of before. If she wants to surprise him with his Christmas gift, it only makes sense that she wouldn't tell him, "I'm going to pick up your Christmas gift today at ____."
Liv
QUOTE (icdogg @ Nov 9 2009, 01:12 PM) *
I don't expect it to be quite that straightforward, but it might be just as obvious - to Monk, that is.


Kind of odd how it's kind of straightforward and vague at the same time. I think I get what you mean, though. It would probably be something that might just look like a regular gift, but that might serve as a clue to Adrian rather than a note saying that she might be killed.
Tobias2343
I just think it's something very sweet and simple...a new watch, maybe, or a medal with some kind of meaningful word or message about love and trust, etc.
icdogg
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 9 2009, 02:50 PM) *
Kind of odd how it's kind of straightforward and vague at the same time. I think I get what you mean, though. It would probably be something that might just look like a regular gift, but that might serve as a clue to Adrian rather than a note saying that she might be killed.

Right. Not an intentional message left by Trudy, but something that can be run down, or put together with something already known to determine what happened.

icdogg
QUOTE (Tobias2343 @ Nov 9 2009, 02:57 PM) *
I just think it's something very sweet and simple...a new watch, maybe, or a medal with some kind of meaningful word or message about love and trust, etc.


Well if it's something with an inscription, maybe the words of that inscription are significant.
Liv
QUOTE (icdogg @ Nov 9 2009, 02:30 PM) *
Well if it's something with an inscription, maybe the words of that inscription are significant.


Or even finding out where and when it was inscribed or where and when the gift was purchased could provide some clue or lead the investigation in a direction that would be productive, as it would possibly tell Adrian something about where Trudy was in the last few days that he was previously unaware of.
digthemonk
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 9 2009, 02:47 PM) *
But the idea of there being something in that box that would lead him to her killer seems very plausible to me.

i'm such a doofus but i can't help it--i'm always agreeing w/you! i think it would be awesome if monk were convinced to open up that box finally and it was a clue.... what a great idea!


Liv
QUOTE (digthemonk @ Nov 9 2009, 03:08 PM) *
i'm such a doofus but i can't help it--i'm always agreeing w/you! i think it would be awesome if monk were convinced to open up that box finally and it was a clue.... what a great idea!


Thank you, but I think someone else may have expressed the idea first, and I thought it was a great idea when they had it. It certainly seems possible, whether the gift is a clue or it leads to a clue indirectly.
digthemonk
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 9 2009, 05:07 PM) *
Thank you, but I think someone else may have expressed the idea first, and I thought it was a great idea when they had it. It certainly seems possible, whether the gift is a clue or it leads to a clue indirectly.

well, whoever came up w/it--i think it's a great idea!

Jrink30
I do not think it is possible for Monk to have had a child because he said that he never did anything with Trudy except hold her hand. That was said during one of his sessions with doctor Kroger. It was a very funny scene. So i doubt that there are baby shoes in Trudy's gift... But that would be an interesting twist.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Jrink30 @ Nov 9 2009, 05:18 PM) *
I do not think it is possible for Monk to have had a child because he said that he never did anything with Trudy except hold her hand. That was said during one of his sessions with doctor Kroger. It was a very funny scene. So i doubt that there are baby shoes in Trudy's gift... But that would be an interesting twist.

I don't remember the scene that you are talking about with Kroger...what episode was this in?
icdogg
One would think that since she lived for several minutes after the actual bombing, and was "intact" enough to say "Bread and Butter," that a presumably required autopsy would not fail to reveal if she were pregnant.

Though I suppose the "cuteness" factor might override the "making any sense" factor in the eyes of the writers, so you never know.
Jrink30
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 9 2009, 05:19 PM) *
I don't remember the scene that you are talking about with Kroger...what episode was this in?

i am so sorry i cannot remember! it seems like all of the episodes are turning into one bug blur. it's where doctor kroger says something along the lines of: "Well, Adrian, would you rather sing some sad love songs, or do you want to get over your problems?(sarcastically). then monk starts to sing an old love song because he would rather do that then talk about his relationship with trudy. I know that was a terrible description and if anyone can help me out that would be great.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Jrink30 @ Nov 9 2009, 05:33 PM) *
i am so sorry i cannot remember! it seems like all of the episodes are turning into one bug blur. it's where doctor kroger says something along the lines of: "Well, Adrian, would you rather sing some sad love songs, or do you want to get over your problems?(sarcastically). then monk starts to sing an old love song because he would rather do that then talk about his relationship with trudy. I know that was a terrible description and if anyone can help me out that would be great.

I don't know the episode to which you are referring....could it have been Monk just not wanting to admit to having a sexual relationship at this point in life...when he is turned off by everything...or afraid of everything... I guess that I find it hard to believe that all Trudy and Monk did was hold hands... I know he is currently afraid of things such as this but surely he wasn't during his marriage to Trudy. On a second note though...I really also can't believe that it would be baby booties in that box or anything else baby related for that matter...that would just be too tragic to throw in here at the end of the series...
Tobias2343
Honestly, it's a lot of fun to think about what MIGHT be in that box, but I personally don't think it will be opened in the finale. Even after he solves Trudy's murder, I think he'll keep it wrapped for his Christmas tree every year for the rest of his life...hopefully choosing to finally open it when he's an old man and he can look back fondly on his life without so much grief and loneliness.
icdogg
QUOTE (Jrink30 @ Nov 9 2009, 06:33 PM) *
i am so sorry i cannot remember! it seems like all of the episodes are turning into one bug blur. it's where doctor kroger says something along the lines of: "Well, Adrian, would you rather sing some sad love songs, or do you want to get over your problems?(sarcastically). then monk starts to sing an old love song because he would rather do that then talk about his relationship with trudy. I know that was a terrible description and if anyone can help me out that would be great.


Kroger: Adrian, we can sit here singing show tunes to each other, or we can talk about your sex life.

Monk: (singing) If ever I would leave you...
monklab2123

Monk did say the he and Trudy die "go all the way" in the ep where he helps the girl he had a crush on in school. I can't remember the name of the episode, but it was in the beginning when Nat answered the door and then told Monk that she was there and he kind of went into panic mode and blurted it out to Nat so she would tell Sherry (I think that was her name) and then he blurted it out to her himself.

Also, I think the reason Monk didn't want to talk to Dr. K about their personal life, is because I think Monk is the kind of guy that doesn't kiss and tell.
Liv
QUOTE (Jrink30 @ Nov 9 2009, 05:18 PM) *
I do not think it is possible for Monk to have had a child because he said that he never did anything with Trudy except hold her hand. That was said during one of his sessions with doctor Kroger. It was a very funny scene. So i doubt that there are baby shoes in Trudy's gift... But that would be an interesting twist.


blink.gif ...um... unsure.gif

Yeah, no comment.
Liv
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 9 2009, 05:19 PM) *
I don't remember the scene that you are talking about with Kroger...what episode was this in?


The episode was Paperboy in the second season and it really didn't definitively answer that question. What did definitively answer it was what Monk said to Sherry in Little Monk in the fourth season.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 9 2009, 07:24 PM) *
The episode was Paperboy in the second season and it really didn't definitively answer that question. What did definitively answer it was what Monk said to Sherry in Little Monk in the fourth season.

I don't have that episode yet...could you let me know what it was he said?
Jrink30
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 9 2009, 07:24 PM) *
The episode was Paperboy in the second season and it really didn't definitively answer that question. What did definitively answer it was what Monk said to Sherry in Little Monk in the fourth season.

what did he say?
Liv
QUOTE (KNOMYDURT @ Nov 9 2009, 07:51 PM) *
I don't have that episode yet...could you let me know what it was he said?


This isn't an exact quote, but he said, "We went all the way." A few seconds before that, he told Natalie, "Tell her about Trudy. Tell her how beautiful she was. Tell her we went all the way."
Jrink30
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 9 2009, 07:24 PM) *
The episode was Paperboy in the second season and it really didn't definitively answer that question. What did definitively answer it was what Monk said to Sherry in Little Monk in the fourth season.

what he said in that situation was just to sound more like a normal human being because he was obviously quite nervous and wanted to find a way to sound "cool" and to show sherry that he doesn't have feelings for her. it was his attempt to prove to her that he doesn't like her, even though she never even knew that he did.
Liv
QUOTE (Jrink30 @ Nov 9 2009, 08:26 PM) *
what he said in that situation was just to sound more like a normal human being because he was obviously quite nervous and wanted to find a way to sound "cool" and to show sherry that he doesn't have feelings for her. it was his attempt to prove to her that he doesn't like her, even though she never even knew that he did.


Whatever. That's your interpretation. Personally, I find it much more plausible that he and Trudy had a real marriage and he just didn't want to discuss it with Dr. Kroger in Season two.
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Liv @ Nov 9 2009, 08:25 PM) *
This isn't an exact quote, but he said, "We went all the way." A few seconds before that, he told Natalie, "Tell her about Trudy. Tell her how beautiful she was. Tell her we went all the way."

That's my Monk!
KNOMYDURT
QUOTE (Jrink30 @ Nov 9 2009, 08:26 PM) *
what he said in that situation was just to sound more like a normal human being because he was obviously quite nervous and wanted to find a way to sound "cool" and to show sherry that he doesn't have feelings for her. it was his attempt to prove to her that he doesn't like her, even though she never even knew that he did.

I just don't see it. Monk loved Trudy and with that love comes......normal and natural things....
Monk may be "clean" cut now but he's no virgin ....
KNOMYDURT
This present has the KEY.....
justsmileandwave
In response to these two quotes...
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The episode was Paperboy in the second season and it really didn't definitively answer that question. What did definitively answer it was what Monk said to Sherry in Little Monk in the fourth season

and
QUOTE
This isn't an exact quote, but he said, "We went all the way." A few seconds before that, he told Natalie, "Tell her about Trudy. Tell her how beautiful she was. Tell her we went all the way."

I think that Trudy and Monk had a more intimate relationship than just holding hands. They were married and loved each other deeply. And in the flashback clip, Trudy and Monk seemed affectionate towards each other. Actually, even though of course we know this is fiction, Trudy and Monk' marriage is something to admire. They both were so dedicated, loving, and selfless towards each other. It wasn't about lust and sex that so much other entertainment emphasizes on. What do you think?
I would not be totally surprised if Trudy's gift was related to her pregnancy.
chipee
Really, there is every reason in the world to assume that Monk had a normal sexual relationship with his wife, and nothing persuasive to suggest otherwise. He's just a gentleman who doesn't run around advertising his sexual life. From my old post:
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Monk has always been ripe for romance and will certainly seek out other women after he solves the Trudy murder case. It likely would have happened sooner if Stottlemeyer hadn't barged in on his encounter with Leyla in the "Falls in Love" episode. Just look at the evidence. My choice for him would be the woman from the "Other Woman" episode if she is available:

¶ episode #8. ..... 1- 8 ..... 23 Aug 02 ..... Mr. Monk and the Other Woman --Monk tells Dr. Kroger that he thought about thinking about dating, but he can't think about dating till he finds out who murdered Trudy. Monk has dinner with the woman, who looks like Trudy, whose husband is in Switzerland clinic it turns out.

¶ 32. ...... 3- 3 ..... 9 Jul 04 ..... Mr. Monk and the Blackout -- Monk actually dates spokeswoman (engineer?) for the power company, the one where they walk up the stairs to a restaurant on the top floor. She wants to date him again when he is better mental health-wise.

¶ 53. .... 4- 8 .... 26 Aug 05..... Mr. Monk and Little Monk -- former 8th grade female classmate comes to Monk for help regarding marred picture/killing. Monk wants to date her, his childhood crush. He asks Natalie to tell her that he and Trudy "went all the way." Monk is tempted to ask her out, but the art restorer lands her first.

¶ 99. .... 7-06 ... 22 Aug 08 .... Mr. Monk Falls In Love -- this episode really shows that Monk had sexual desire towards women. He visited Leyla at her apartment when he knew she was a suspect and Stottlemeyer didn't want him there for legal reasons. They discussed their dead partners and danced. She and Monk knew what was on his mind. He struggled to leave the apartment and started cleaning his wedding ring, which he took off. Monk says he has to go. They both say, "Good Bye." Monk says, "Why can't I go?" Silence. Stottlemeyer breaks in with a search warrant. Shucky darns! (from Favorite Show ep).
RavingBeauty
QUOTE (chipee @ Nov 27 2009, 04:04 AM) *
Really, there is every reason in the world to assume that Monk had a normal sexual relationship with his wife, and nothing persuasive to suggest otherwise. He's just a gentleman who doesn't run around advertising his sexual life. From my old post:


I have to agree with you. The only time i remember Monk telling Kruger that all he and Trudy did was hold hands was about PDA, Monk also never said that their marriage lacked anything...he was broken after her death...not dead himself. And I remember him with the all the way thing, not to mention the fact that people who are not having ummm cough cough errm erma relations talk about when to have a baby. I think we are so hung up on the Monk we know that we can't imagine him any other way. But he changed and his OCD got worst. So we don't really know the in love, not hurt or destroyed, spring in his step, smiling and it doesn't hurt Monk.
It's like when you talk to someone who knew your spouse long before you and you like JIm did what omg i would love to see that or i could never imagine you did such things.
KNOMYDURT
I don't think this gift has to do with whether or not Trudy and Monk had a sex life. I think the gift is an important clue...not anything having to do with pregnancy or a love life. Having said that I am sticking to my theory that the gift holds the key to the Monk's previous home...or something very much like that...something that will take Monk back to Dale one last time...but this time with a vengance...and demanding to know what his involvement was...
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