My guess on who the shooter is. It's Francesca. Marshall confronted her about why she moved to the bad house/neighborhood. Didn't Stan say they found blood in the tree, the front tree? Francesca shot her in the BACK. I agree shouldn't have to wait untill next SPRING to find out.

You make a valid point about Francesca. I trust Mary's instincts, she may have a hard edge but it has served her well before.
I am not happy about having to wait until next spring to see who the shooter is.... I know Mary will come back stronger in all her relationships. Can't fault her honesty either. I know most people think she is to hard on her family, and she may be, but I like that she calls a spade a spade. Her expectations of herself are high and she holds all to the same standard.

This Shrew is gonna have a long hard winter waiting for the spring opener.

hmmmm....interesting thought ! could be. Hate to wait so long to find out also.
Good finale...great to see Marshall's reactions. He surely loves Mary.
For some reason I just cannot see Mary and Raph ending up together..
maybe. As long as the show lasts...which I hope is quite a while...
I imagine we will see ups and downs in the relationship....and more
with Marshall too.

Given the angle at which Mary and Francesa were standing relative to one another, she'd have to have a gun that fired a bullet that could make a left turn to have shot Mary. Mary was standing diagonally across the driveway, so her shoulder would be pointed toward the porch, where Francesa was standing.

We have two dark horses in the field: the kid Marshall interviewed wasn't one of the ones who headed across the street, and the kid in the red car who bought the drugs. They put him in a red car and did a slow pan with him looking at the camera as he drove away - we were meant to see him. One of them was probably the shooter.

Francesca shot Mary—I think not. It isn’t enough to have means and opportunity there must also be MOTIVE. Where is the motive for Francesca to shoot Mary? We can see there is nothing thin about Francesca’s skin. AND considering her “life calling”, I’m pretty sure lot worst things have been said to and about her than what Marshall said.

AND, what kind of sense would it make for her to kill THE PERSON whose job it is to keep her alive. I think we need to keep looking.

I've watched the scene many many times to try and figure out the shooter, and Francesca does not have a gun in her hand -- her hands are visible in the scene, so if TPTB make it so she shot Mary, then they have some 'splain to do.

My pet theory is that it was Bobby - completely by accident of course.

I wondered if it was a police officer, too.

I was thinking Bobby D too. A split second reaction to Mary's "gun" call, Mario's appearance of going for a gun, and hearing the discharge of Mary's weapon. But, (1) Bobby D isn't the kind of person who wouldn't take responsibility; (2) He and Mary are friends—he probably would have been doing more crying than Marshall; and (3). Everyone of the folks Bobby D was holding at gunpoint would have been pointing and shouting "THE COP DID IT!". "THE COP DID IT!"

Then there is The Blood. They found blood evidence, leading them to believe that Mary had shot the shooter. Bobby D was not wounded.

I'll admit up front that I've probably watched "Bourne" way to many times, but what if the shooter was someone involved with the 'spooks' organization? I think it's strange that they moved her to that neighborhood. Maybe with Mary out of the way, either they or someone in that neighborhood would have the opportunity to kill the activist and make her a martyr. Since they had already said they were going to say it was El Presidente that had her what better way to advance the coup than to say he killed her. I know it's a long shot, but that's why it's fun to throw out there.

My money is on Mary Crosby (Bing's daughter) She already has a rep for sneaking in and being the mystery shooter.......

Maybe she is Mary's step mother, and came back for some form of revenge lol!





I hope there are some folks here old enough to "get it" :-)

John

I don't know who the shooter is. I couldn't actually see a gun when Mary said, "Gun," only what they showed us of the guy reaching towards his back waist area. I don't know what Mary saw and I'm not so sure they showed it to us. But after watching the second showing while falling asleep last night I did find Francesca's behavior rather suspect. Of course that could be intentional. I noticed she repeatedly try to get Mary to drink and that she really wanted her to get drunk not just have one drink. I noticed when Mario came to the door she did not even try to go to the door. I found that odd because it seemed so out of character for her. She did not seem to submit her will to Mr. Day easily nor to Mary easily in the first house or at all until then so I wondered why she made no move towards the door. When she stated the Mary was making things difficult for herself by calling the police was she still sitting in the chair? I'm not sure so maybe I'll watch it again. They seemed to show us Francesca asking Mary personal questions which is probably what you do when you go out to dinner but I don't recall prior witnesses asking much and caring about the answers. I'm sure that making it LOOK like Francesca could have something to do with it could be an intentional setup to keep us wondering all during the off season. I also found it odd though that Mary pointed out Raph to her on the television and gave up personal information so easily when Francesca questioned her. She did not seem to be her usual skeptical WitSec Agent self.

I missed a little bit in the beginning of the show both times I saw it. Does anyone know if she was also Dominican like Raph? I tried to compare their accents when they spoke to each other at the hospital for a clue but apparently I'm not good with accents.

Love it! All opinions are great! Love the "conversation". Can't wait till spring. I'll have to wait to watch the show in rerun. Your right about Mary's conversational vulnerability at the bar. Also admitting to fiance commercial. Very Very uncharacteristic, and unprofessional. The whole show (characters actions) seemed kinda WACKY. Love that! Keeps the brain working!

I don't think it was Bobby D. I got the impression he was more in front of her.

At first I thought it was Francesca but after watching the episode again, I saw she had no gun. I thought maybe it was the guy who had driven by earlier in the red car. He seemed to spend a long time staring at Mary and Francesca for no reason. Sure, both are attractive, but it seemed to be sort of significant for such a passing thing. I have no idea who that guy actually is though or how he'd be connected and shoot Mary. But that's the only clue I could find to the identity of the shooter.

It couldn't have been Bobby D. He doesn't turn around until he hears the shot. He was faced away from Mary holding off the guys crossing the street.

My first thought was Bobby D and I am sticking with it. Yes true there was blood running from the scene and Bobby wasn't shot. However, when Mary was shot and she shot back impulsively she wasn't trained on Bobby she was trained on Mario. Mario wasn't hit so whoevers blood it was remains to be seen. Alot of love for Bobby D here and it is waranted, but they only came to be friends near the end of the second season honestly. The look on Bobbys face in the police station when he was being questioned spoke volumes. He had the look of desperation on him...like he was in way over his head. Just watched it on DVR (I work odd hours, had to find time) and I have to say the emotion given by Marshall was incredible!

On a side note, the cast is changing next season and Bobby D is gone. What better way to let him go than this. Jinx is gone also which I don't really mind. Wish I could see the "16th episode" that they canned....really want to know the story!

How do we find out who is staying and who is leaving for the next season? I would really like to read it but don't know where to look. Thanks.

Maybe Mary was a bit more open-friendly-relax with Francesca because "Francesca was not one of her WitSec clients". She wasn't being relocated anywhere. She was a "revolutionary" being kept safe until the big unveiling. Mary was just "revolutionary sitting".

Since Mary was engaging in "girl talk" with her, I think that Mary admired her. I think it was even Mary who started down the "chit chat" road, by asking her how she had come to be in the rebellion business.

Without a WHY--Francesca shooting Mary just doesn't make any logical sense. (Of course, the why could be buried in part two.)

Read it on the E! pages. Only 2 are being removed, Bobby D and Jinx. They will make "Guest" appearances but not be central in the story or appear in a majority of the episodes. Also the writer has changed and plans to take the series in a new direction concentrating more on the job than homelife.

The final episode was supposed to be a 2 parter with us getting the goods on who did it and wrapping up the season nice and tight. The 16th episode was shot but scrapped in which we find out who the shooter was. The re-write will be the season opener in the spring. I WANT THE 16th EPISODE!!!!

Thanks for the tip about the E! pages. I love finding new places to read info about the shows I like.

Does anyone have a clue where Marshall was on his "date thing?" I don't remember a previous mention of it on this or another episode but I am curious how he was the one walking into to the hospital with her. I mean was he really just sitting around back at the office or possibly somewhere by a police scanner or maybe his date is in law enforcement too? I don't know how he could have gotten to the crime scene as quickly as the ambulance did if he showed up there first and rode to the hospital with her. Maybe he just got to the hospital before Stan did but the hospital surely didn't have the time to alert anyone if she was just arriving.

I'm definitely gonna watch it again tonight and maybe even record it since it is not posted yet or out on hulu yet either.

I agree that we deserved Episode 16 and I don't like waiting from this summer until next spring for another episode. That is more like 3 quarters of a year than a season of waiting time. I can't remember EVER having to wait that long to find out what happened on any show I've watched. EVER!

I'm sure Bobby D's next call after calling for an ambulance was to Marshall. Pretty sure Marshall didn't go to the scene. I'm sure he broke all laws of speed and physics to get to the hospital, probably halfway there before the ambulance even got to scene.

The last couple of dates we know Marshall's been on were either dinner or coffee. He might not have been too far from the hospital. I bet he's the one that called Stan.

That's what I figured. After Bobby made the emergency call, he called either Stan or Marshall, and whichever one he called called the the other. And Marshall probably got there breaking all speed limits and running red lights - but Stan was hot on his heels and really got there only about a minute after Marshall did.

If he was in the middle of a date, he probably took off in a little cloud of smoke. But I noticed that he still had his gun on him -- does he bring his gun on dates? Or I guess depending how late at night it was, the date may have already been over (especially if it was a first date/casual date thing).

Francesca isn't one to turn in early, they probably stayed late at the restaurant. If it was after 10, Marshall may well have already been at home. If he just went to dinner, he wouldn't have been out all that late.

Thats's true. I hadn't thought of his date being over already but he did it make it to the hospital 8 minutes after she was shot so he must have flew there or like been downstairs in the coffee shop.

I just watched it again and watched the shooting scene several times in slow motion.

Mario never took the gun out of his waistband if he had one there. He turned and ran as soon as he heard Mary call out, "Gun," and he realized she was drawing hers. Bobby D. was actually most of the way across the street with his back to Mary.

So it wasn't Mario or Bobby D even though Mario could still know something about it.

And if the shell casing and gunshot residue found on the tree in the yard means the shooter was close to that tree then Francesca could not have done it even if it looked as if she could have been ditching or dropping a gun when they showed her on the porch. Possibly she was just stumbling a bit from the excitement.

So it wasn't Mario or Bobby D. or Francesca even though she still could be involved or have known about it.

The shooter would have had to have been behind Mario slightly to his right and on the sidewalk between the short concrete looking wall just past the tree and the truck parked on the same side of the street with the truck on Bobby D's left while his back is facing Mary and with the truck blocking Bobby D's view of the shooter.

OR.... he could have been in the cab in the back of the truck and shot out of the tiny window which is directly beside the tree.

Looking at the front of the truck there does seem to be a shadow in the window that could be the silhouette of a person either inside of or standing behind the truck but it is not shown long enough for me to be positive. Possibly someone with better eyes than me can take a look about 30 minutes in (or less without commercials) right when Bobby D. is beginning to step into the street and right before he says, "I'm not gonna say it again" and tell us what they see.

When Mario takes off running he ran on the sidewalk between the short wall (where the three mailboxes are) and the truck so he may have seen the shooter if he was standing on the sidewalk when he/she shot at Mary but probably not if the shooter was inside the truck. If the shooter was standing on the sidewalk Mario could have easily tripped over him if he had been delayed from running away at all by being shot with a bullet from Mary's gun. I wonder where they found the blood leading away from the scene exactly.

I'm only counting 5 men across the street plus Mario making 6 of his crew even though Marion says 7 to 2 is not good odds. But I can't make it out very well and Bobby D. may actually be blocking the view of one of them because they keep moving around before they run off. (It happens so fast.) I cannot make out if one of the 5 I see across the street are either Lala or his other friend - the tall skinny one that also had a black muscle shirt on like Mario's when we saw them earlier in the day and he went up to the passenger side window of the red car. I was watching the tall skinny one because he looked similar to a tall skinny man in the opening scene standing around listening to Francesca's speech and I wanted to rule out him being a possible plant at both locations by any governments or revolutionaries because this would have been an excellent episode to incorporate that type of conspiracy.

If there are 6 men across the street with Bobby then the shooter wasn't any of the 7 of Mario's crew he was referring to but could still be someone he knows. In the end Lala says he's not going to tell Marshall anything and that does make it seem like he knows something he could tell.

In the commercial about next season at the end of this episode I did notice a red car outside in the scene where you see them breaking into someone's house and you hear Marshall yelling, "Federal Marshals! Drop your weapons!" I can't say for sure what kind of red car only that it was a small one and I cannot tell if it is actually in the same yard or a driveway next door.

Anyone else have any ideas who the shooter might be or where they were located when they shot? I love a good guessing game and all conspiracy theories.

Having watched it several times and slowed it down on the recording, I think one could make a case that Mary fired first.

The exchange was almost simultaneous, but Mary's gun seems to go off before the wound appears in her abdomen.

John

I thought so too, jbrush, so I recorded the ancient way on the VCR and went frame by frame as slow as it would let me and I actually saw the hole in her shirt before the flash from her gun. When I just watch it normally though I cannot really be sure what happened first.

I ran it through another mpeg editor, one frame at a time, and I am gonna call it a tie :-) You can see the small incendiary device seem to give off smoke as it is about to go off, just as she fires, but she does have a look on her face of having been hit, so perhaps you are right and the explosives just didn't react the way they hoped.

Not a big deal, because I don't think it matters to the plot, but it just looks a little 'fishy' to me <g>

Thanks,

John

Just FYI regarding slowing down the film to watch what happened:

I'm a third year film & tv production student, so I'm not just making this up. When shooting professional film with professional cameras, sound and picture are not recorded on the same device (unlike with digital cameras). Someone goes in and matches the sound recording with the picture recording. Also, they can layer sounds in later. Perfect timing is difficult, especially when shots are switching quickly. It is possible that the timing isn't exactly right when Mary's shot so she appears to be shot before you hear it, or she appears to fire before getting hit, etc...if you slow it down and watch too closely.

It's probably not relevant to the plot though or they would have made it much more significant.

If anyone here has better eyes than you, then they can probably see through walls.

I’ve watched that scene a few times; I didn’t see thatmuch of what you pointed out, and it never occurred to me to count heads.

Good point, but the problem is, no one is using the sound to show who shot first. Its all about watching the pictures. :-)

John

Wow an mpeg editor - You've got me outdated by a long shot, John! I'm gonna have to update my skills and technology here. lol. Yeah, I thought something was off with the explosives too. I found it odd when I saw the hole in her shirt for 2 or 3 frames before the smoke from the device. I was thinking, "What's on her shirt?" And then when I realized what it was I was like, "How can that hole be in her shirt already? There's no puff of smoke yet." I watched in reverse and forward in slow motion. I had fun with it. Some of the acting in the episode wasn't as good as I'd expected but I probably got about an hour or so of enjoyment out of the hunting for clues.




Wow, thanks firelightandash, I didn't know that sound is recorded separately. That must be torture trying to get it just right. They did a good job though of making it seem so close together so it is questionable as to who actually shot first - if that's what they were trying to accomplish. lol. And they did switch the focus of the shots very quickly like you said. I played with it for a while trying to figure out the locations of the stationary objects because they moved the camera so fast. I never realized so much goes into filming. Good luck with your schooling.



You made me laugh, JaredD. I think they had the ability to actually see through walls in that Deja Vu movie with Denzel Washington. I was envious. I was thinking, "Wow, if I could see through walls, I could earn a lot of money with my ability like knowing the answers for contests before the questions are even asked or something." OH well, I guess I'll have to stick to watching Jeopardy with the closed-captioning on so I can read the answers to a friend on the phone before the contestants even give them. Maybe I could pick up a few bucks that way.

I think the shooter is going to be someone totally shocking like the jerk CIA or FBI guy that Stan had words with. Maybe he was standing behind the tree watching how Mary was doing her job. Maybe he shot her so she wouldn't shoot the Hispanic kid and start a riot in the neighborhood.

Who knows, but I can't wait for the next episode!!

Yeah, I could see that "jerk" putting someone up to some kind of stunt for his own agenda. That would be interesting. I don't think it's his house they are storming into though on the commercial about next season that was on right after the show. It looked like the place had a red notice or flier (possibly a condemned notice or other such paper) and other things attached to the outside of the door they were entering. It reminded me of how a refrigerator might look in a household with a bunch of children. lol. It would follow the plot line if he did put someone up to it though. We could get to see Stan lock him in a closet or something again like he did with that agent who was after Brandi.

I watched again. When Mary left the house with her gun tucked in her back, she told Francesca to go to the bathroom and lock the door. Does Francesca strick you as the type that would listen and obey what Mary told her to do? NO. All the while Francesca claimed these are her people nice boys who had to grow up with drugs because thats the neighborhood/life they were born into. She moved from the rich house to the bad neighborhood, like Marshall said, so she would'nt look like she was living the high life while her people struggled back home. She didnt stay in the bathroom. She went out the back door and shot Mary in the back, then ran back into the house and out the front door, where you see her on the 1st/2nd step down from the porch (one foot on each step I believe). She blamed Mary B4 the guy banged on the door, asking why did she call the police they would have left us alone after a while.... All the focus was in front of Mary bcause The police man (forget his name) was trying to hold off about 8 guys comming at him and Mary and the suspected shooter was between Mary and the cop backing away, with his hand at his back as if he had a gun he was going to pull out. Marys was shot thru and thru. There was a bullett in the tree in front of the house with blood on it. That's the bullet that went thru Mary. That's not the bullet that Mary fired at the suspected shooter running away. Mary doesn't miss her target. If Mary hit him he's still got the bullet in him. As to why Francesca shot her, Jealousy perhaps. Mary has power, she's a US Marshall, she has Raf, whom Francesca seemed to covet in the bar. Maybe Publicity, the woman US marshal protecting her was shot while they were being attacked by 20 armed men involved in a conspiricy to kill Francesca???? Maybe Francesca realized she made a bad decision moving to that neighborhood and had to save face to get out of there, so she shot Mary, just to get the H out of there. Maybe, maybe, what if, what if. Francesca is hooked up with DUMB GUYS that are supposed to be protecting her. Why Mary got stuck babysitting her I still don't get. BUT I STRONGLY THINK FRANCESCA is the shooter who shot Mary in the back. I don't think the home boys would risk trouble on their own turf. As the saying goes 'you don't go to the bathroom where you eat' to put it nicely.

It's a great theory. I love it! But I think they have already disproved it

Doctor Bronstein told the mother, "Ms. Shannon, your daughter suffered significant loss of blood as the result of a gunshot wound to the abdomen." He then told Marshall, "There is no slug. The bullet went through and through."

It would seem Mary could have been shot through the back but as of now the paramedic and the doctor have both said that it was a gunshot wound to the abdomen.

Stan said, "Whoever it is we'll know him when we see him." and "ABQPD has found a trail of fresh blood leading away from the crime scene. The S.O.B. is carrying around one of Mary's slugs in him."

There was no blood in the tree - the fresh blood was leading away from the crime scene.

I wasn't sure I agreed with Stan about the slug, though. Couldn't the person that Mary shot have been injured with a through and through shot as well and left blood without carrying the bullet around inside of him/her? Does anyone know?

Stan said,"Forensics found a shell casing and gunshot residue on the tree in the front yard."

With the bullet's shell casing in the tree I think that means the shooter was near the tree and not behind Mary.

It would seem that Francesca could have easily gone out of the back of the house and shot Mary and then reentered the house and came back out through the front door but even if Mary had been shot in the back instead of the abdomen Forensics would not have found the shell casing and gunshot residue on the tree in front of her.

I think Francesca was on the front porch when Mary was shot. And even if she wasn't, I don't think she had time to run from the back of the house to the front before we saw her come down the front stairs. Interesting theory, but I don't think there was enough time. Plus, I don't think Francesca really has the motive, even with the arguments you made.

You make some good points KellyK. I have not recorded the show, but kudos to you for seeing as much as you did, and explaining in your prior narrative. I find it difficult to understand how a shell casing can get stuck in a tree trunk (anything is possible not always probable) But as you indicated if that is truely the case then the shooter would almost have to be next to the tree. Same would be true of the gunshot residue.

Information is not specific enough, alot of generalizations in the show. I'll have to watch again.

A couple of more confusing things to me one of which is Francesca can't remember the name of the fellow worker from the bakery from which her whole protesting career began? Seems odd that she would not remember or perhaps chose not to tell, because it never happened! Seems to me Francesca is hiding something and is not who she appears to be.

The other thing that bothers me is why did Mary use her backup gun? Doesn't she usually wear a holstered gun, with that leather strap thing that goes around her back thru both arm holes? I seem to remember her removing it in another show when she came home from work and took her coat off then the holstered gun, when no one was home. Was her holstered gun taken off by Mary and left in the house, and Francesca would then have access to it? They, the police, Stan, Marshall, FBI, wouldn't even think to check it, cuz Francesca would have put it back in the holster B4 going back out the front porch after shooting Mary?

CIA handles foreign work (FBI inside US) so I think it is the CIA who brought Francesca to Stan to give to Mary to watch. Again the job of watching/guarding Francesca "seems" to have been given to Mary alone, not Mary and Marshall. I think Marshall was just being a good friend helping Mary. He wouldn't leave his job to go on a date when it appears he is so in love with Mary. It makes no logical sence. It almost makes it appear as though Mary was the target all along, with Francesca being the facilitator or in my opinion THE SHOOTER.

Was Francesca in the US to testify against someone? Maybe Francesca wasn't to be guarded by Mary, maybe Francesca needed to meet Mary and see who this person (Mary) is? Perhaps going back to some link from a prior case or "Life Intersection" related to Francesca. Perhaps Francesca made a deal with the CIA to testify but only is she could be with/spend time with Mary to find out the type of person she is (so she said to the CIA), but really meant to kill her, for reasons as yet unknown.

Something just seems HINKY about Francesca and what ever she's involved in. However the show is "set up" to "appear" I stand by my opinion that Francesca is the SHOOTER.

Like I said above... information in the show is not specific enough and there are too many generalizations. Alot of unknowns and even perhaps misleading information. I have to watch it again.

Next ?

Wow, zoom, you gave me a LOT to think about and reply to but I'll try - forgive me if I leave anything out or miss something. lol. OH yeah, and SHAME ON YOU for making me watch this episode yet again! Just kidding but one would think I would have it all memorized by now - after like a thousand viewings.

Yeah, I found the bakery story and her supposedly not being able to remember the man's name odd too and I agree there's something HINKY about Francesca.

To my surprise I acutally found no mention in the episode of it being her backup gun. I may have read somewhere on the forum that it was her backup gun but it was the only gun they showed Mary having on her at the time. When she took her jacket off inside the house after they returned from dinner she didn't have the upper body holster on.

Francesca certainly witnessed events that took place by the current regime in her country but they have only shown us that Mr. Day said he wanted to protect her to keep her alive for after the total regime change and that if she didn't get on the plane with him she would be killed on orders given by El Presidente. I heard no mention or her actually testifying as a witness against anyone. If El Presidente survived a total regime change and was arrested for any of his actions I suppose Mr. Day could have her identify the shooters he interrupted in court and testify about her almost getting killed after her speech when she was organizing the labor strike. The details weren't forthcoming about most things in this episode.

Francesca certainly seems like the type of person that could have more than one agenda.



While I agree that Francesca is Most Definitely HINKY I still don't believe that she could be the shooter. After reviewing the scene again I found that just under 2 seconds had passed from the time Mary yelled, "Gun," and they showed Francesca on the steps. While Francesca could have left the back of the house and came around the right side of the house and shot Mary in the stomach from a position near the tree where evidence was found she could not have reappeared on the front steps of the house within 2 seconds and they haven't shown us any blood evidence on Francesca or anything that would point to her getting shot. Now Mary could have missed her intended target during the impact of the shot she took and clipped one of the onlookers instead but with the 2 seconds thing I still don't believe Francesca could have been the shooter - but she could definitely still be involved.

Just some side notes:

I found it odd that Stan would allow Mr. Day to relocate Francesca without making an official statement based on the fact that she wouldn't have been able to see the shooter from her position on the porch. I would have found it to be much more in character for him to insist on taking an official statement from anyone/everyone in the area that even heard a gunshot where the shooting of one of his Marshall's is concerned.

I suppose no one (on the show) finds Francesca to be a suspect since no one requested a gunshot residue test for her hands or clothing.



Hmmm...Let's see...For new conspiracy theories we could look in the direction of...

Doesn't anyone have a theory yet involving the connection between Raphael being Dominican and Francesca being a Latin revolutionary? The Dominican Republic is a Latin American country where Raph's mother still lives. If Francesca is a very active revolutionary I would think that Raph's mother will know who she is on sight regardless of the name change even if Raphael didn't seem to recognize her at the hospital. We don't have a lot of background information on Raphael or his sister's so theories could actually abound...

and...

LaLa is the one that stood up to stare at Mary when she carried a box inside of Francescas's house before they went to dinner. He seems to be the leader of the gang rather than Mario. He could have sent Mario to Francesca's just to see if he could get them inside the house easily. Stan said he thinks LaLa may know something. When LaLa told Marshall, "I ain't telling you nothing" at the end of the episode it seemed to imply that he knew something he could tell if he wanted.

Let's make that Mel Gibson movie (Conspiracy Theory?) character proud....

Next?

BAKERY MAN: The fact that Francesca can't remember the name of the guy at the bakery is the whole point -- he's just the little guy, the forgotten person who started her on her revolutionary path. He doesn't matter. It's all about her.

THE SHOOTER: How about if this is all a conspiracy that leads right back to Mr. Day having posted a shooter outside Francesca's house because he knows he screwed up by letting her move out of the nice house? Scenario One: When the shooter thinks the situation is getting out of hand, he drops Mary because that will disperse the gangbangers, get the cops there fast and make it safer to get Francesca out of there. Scenario Two: He shoots Mary because she's seen him with a gun and if she shoots him or he gets caught, he and Mr. Day risk exposure. While it appeared that Mary was referring to Mario having a gun, she could have seen a glint out of the corner of her eye from elsewhere and been referring to that -- and didn't Bobby D turn away from Mario at the gun's report? The shooter was clearly on the grassy knoll... Scenario Three: Mr. Day has set this all in motion as an assassination attempt by El Presidente, which he will keep quiet now and use at a later date when it's time for regime change in Country X.

EITHER WAY: Stan should call Janice, the reporter from "Rubble", on a disposable cell and let her investigate the story, leading to exposure of Mr. Day and the CIA operating within the boundaries of the U.S., an absolute no-no (but which we all know happens, with "Let's Get It Ahn" showing it's possible.) Janice wins the Pulitzer, Mr. Day retires with his pension, Francesca leads rabble-rousers at the next health care reform town hall meeting, and poor Mary has to wait until next season to regain consciousness and learn her fate.

I think that the shooter is the drug dealer in the red car, the one Mary called in when her and Marshal first got there. In the promo for the season premiere you can see the car in the background when Stan is busting through the door.

Yeah, That Mr. Day character shouts motive pretty loud. He wanted to skip town right away. He did not want to be at the hospital at all but Francesca insisted and he did not want Francesca to give a witness statement before he relocated her either. Anyway he makes a good suspect just because he was a jerk. lol



Yeah I saw that commercial too but I couldn't quite make out if the red car was the same one or if it was even in the same yard/driveway of the house they're bursting into or if it was at the one next door. But it does look like it could be him or possibly another gang member that is staying at his house.

They showed me just enough to keep me wondering. Then again, what they showed us in the commercial could actually be them going back for LaLa and arresting him as a material witness because even though they didn't find blood on him or believe him to be the shooter they think he knows something and lied about it or something else deceptive and not actually them locating the shooter.

I want to post my theory too...I love trying to figure out what the writers *want* us to believe vs. what they've scripted in reality. We know they enjoy yanking our chains. I've also always wondered if they will sometimes leave the details or finalization a bit open, read all the fun posts here, then fill in the blanks with cool ideas from the forum. I like that idea.
O.k., since I've always secretly wanted to be an FBI/CIA agent, I started thinking about this from the government's point of view. Here they have a highly visible, outspoken revolutionary in our country with the premise of seeding the revolutionary movement in her home country with the story she has been captured by El Presidente and may be imprisoned. They're hoping for a mass uprising against the current regime and when the coop occurs, can get some US goverment plants in place in order to exert our wishes into the new government's rule. It's all about who ultimately controls the drug flow, you know
I think the goverment's plan may be unraveling in Francesca's home country, they're starting to second guess their decision to keep her out of the picture and Mr Day's a** is going to be in a sling fairly soon if he can't invent a plausible story to send her back without the truth leaking out. She doesn't seem like one to lie to her countrymen, and if she comes back looking like she's been to a spa for a week or so, things will look hinky. So, Day and the spooks have a pow-wow and decide to plant an operative in the barrio (since Francesca's conveniently moved there...that move was *way* to easy imo). Maybe the plan is to kill her...or just harm her...don't know. But getting her out of that house and moved again would be the goal because then they would be able to shuttle her back to her country...with injuries to validate the "tortured and imprisoned" story.
Now, Mary creates the perfect opportunity for this scenario to occur when she calls the cops on Mario and Lala with Mario coming to the house. The plant sneaks up on the scene, Mary spots him (we were meant to think she was yelling "gun" because Mario reached behind his back), and then he has to shoot her instead of Francesca (who had appeared on the porch) otherwise Mary would shoot him and give him away. I just can't imagine a neighborhood punk could outdraw a Federal Marshall...plus we know it wasn't Mario anyway.
Mr Day knows his operative has screwed the pooch and is now scrambling to cover. One of the reasons Francesca never gives an official statement is because Day doesn't let her, and the cops will figure out the "grassy knoll" aspect soon enough. They'll go looking for this guy (think CSI folks...I'm sure that crime scene left some clues) and find out he's disappeared. hmmmm. The government's already paid off Lala and his crew to keep their mouths shut. Dang, Lala might end up in Hawaii anyway if he's already made a deal with Day's people to keep his mouth shut.
Mr Day may also be quite concerned that Mary'll remember what happened (seeing another shooter and describing him) if she wakes up. He's probably hoping she'll die (remember how fast he was trying get Francesca out of there?). Wouldn't it be interesting if, when she wakes up (we know she will), there'll be another attempt on her life to keep her quiet? That would likely put Raph over the edge where he decides he doesn't want to live in a giant trash compactor of anxiety. So, he bails...Jinx decides to move somewhere more settled so she doesn't start drinking again, and Brandi moves in with Peter. Now, everyone has bailed on Mary except Marshall. Excellent set up for further development of their relationship (whatever it turns out to be).

There. I feel better!

Awesome theory, well thought out. I could accept it. The 2nd attack part in interesting. It seems to be in line with the little bit of evidence they have shown us so far. Unless, as you say, they are "yanking our chains" or misleading us some way with the information they have shown us so far.

Good ol' Kristen!!

yea but mary wasnt shot in the shoulder she was shot in the abdomen<--- or what ever it is called..... Also if francesca shot her she would have fallen foward not backwards..

AHA! I just started to type that on another topic board & changed my mind........... She had to have been shot from the front because she fell backward, right? But I wondered if Francesca had ties to that gang.... maybe SHE's the one who runs the street...not the guy Marshall made the offer to. Maybe she gave the order to shoot Mary. I thought there was something weird about that whole setup. And why isn't the a-hole who Stan confronted in trouble for allowing her to move there & endangering them? He left awful fast with Francesa, don't you think? Or maybe that's just because it was the end of the show and her part is through. Who knows?
I hope they aren't going to end every season with something bad happening to Mary.

That's AWESOME, Kelwarrior...you could totally be a writer for that show. I hope you are right...just so we can see it on TV.

Yeah I saw that commercial too but I couldn't quite make out if the red car was the same one or if it was even in the same yard/driveway of the house they're bursting into or if it was at the one next door. But it does look like it could be him or possibly another gang member that is staying at his house.


I just watched the commercial after reading this thread and also went back to the episode.... and that is definatly 100% the red honda crx ..same rims and all..sitting in front of the house where they storm into.. but he could be across the street and just happened to park his car there?

the other thing is.. he was a drug buyer/seller..had 2 people come to his car... but why would the car be at the same place the marshals are if it wasnt his place? since he didnt hang with these guys just bought drugs from them?..

man its gonna be 1 long winter


Steve

I finally got around to watching the season finale last night. This so-called cliff-hanger device (main character getting shot) is so overdone, I'm surprised it arouses anyone's curiosity anymore.

I find his use of the phrase "date thing" odd, instead of just saying he had a date or had plans. Makes me wonder if there was in fact no date, in the generally accepted definition, i.e. actually going out somewhere with a woman. Could it be that after being confronted with Mary's engagement, Marshall didn't want to be seen as pathetically pining after her, with no social life of his own to speak of? So he may have had a "date" with his remote control. And how guilty would he feel, if he was at home doing nothing, while Mary was getting shot?