The Season 8 Finale is an episode called Revolution. Here is the cast list which also included VDO.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1241305/

I wanted to share Charlene's post in this thread.

Thanks cluck - it would be great to have a finale with at least 3 of the major actors involved. I'm very interested in seeing VDO and Goldblum working together. The chemistry between Erbe and Goldblum was exceptional and in the USA promo with VDO and Goldblum in the backseat of that SUV with the 'perp', they seemed to be enjoying themselves.




I still would be very interested in reading whatever Charlene did. I keep telling myself that it can't be true - especially since the rumor mill had the writers killing of Chris Noth's Logan character in "Last Rites". We've got 2 weeks to wait to find out what the writers have in store for us and I'm really hoping this is an error and Goren WILL NOT be harmed. He's had too much pain and sadness, he deserves some sense of normalcy returned to his life.

I can't wait to see the promo and probably see if Goren might make a suprise appearance. If this is true, I will freak out!

I hope USA ain't playing mind games again, but we just to have to wait and see.

I pray that you're right Judyg! I don't trust writers though. I have been traumatized before. Not to veer OT but I, at one time, was a fan of ER. Until the writers kept attacking and killing my favorite character with helicopters . Ever since then I figure any stupid, lazy plot device is possible.

I thought the title, "Revolution", sounded pretty ominous - I was feeling nervous before I even opened the thread. BUT... the taxicab thing sounds pretty trite - even if something bad DOES happen to Goren, I HOPE it's not that, because that's just ridiculous.

I dunno, I think in a way it's scarily commonplace. It could happen to anyone.

Go figure if they eventually have Goren killed, while Logan had an open farewell, hahaha...
It won't be lines-fights anymore ("we got more lines than you in this episode ") lol, I can see a crowd of fans assaulting the studios already, paragliding on the roof while other squads sneak in, SWAT-style...

Seriously, it must be some other kind of revolution. Goren leaving forever just 1 season after another new character arrived (Nichols) is risky. The inside dynamics would change too much. Not sure all spectators would appreciate that... Maybe someone else is leaving?!
But then again, I'm no mind reader. Who knows what's going to happen... Just wait and see

I hope they don't hurt Goren though! But isn't Vincent D'Onofrio tied in a 5-7 year contract since season 4??? I don't think they're gonna kill of Goren, just put him through hell for the next season I assume. I just hope if it is true that it puts Goren and Eames closer.

A drunk TAXI DRIVER is scarily commonplace? Geez, I hope not. Maybe NY is scarily different from other cities, where drunk taxi drivers are remarkably rare.

WORD! Goren has been through too much for this to happen to him! I googled the internet today for info but found nothing! Charlene, are you going to tell us where you read this?

Nah, they won't kill Goren off. globetrottersara is right--we'd be rappelling down the studio walls at Chelsea Piers. I'm 85% sure we'll have a Season 9, with all 4 of our current detectives coming back. Just my gut feeling from the decent ratings this season has had. Goren might get hurt, although I still think that unlikely, but I agree that would develop Eames' character even more to start off Season 9. Waiting for the resolution to a car accident would be pure hell for us fans, though I think the writers have really starting to build insight into Eames this season, so this would be a relatively logical progression, if they went there.

Charlene, please post that link!

Off-topic, I found this today:

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/tv/episodeguide/..._intent_s8_e17/

A 17th episode? Not from the USA site, so I don't buy it. But of course, everything that is posted on the internet is true

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part that the writers already have future eps on the drawing board if someone's started to flesh out an "Ashes of Time" episode.

oh no! I actaully don't think this is good news. Maybe they are killing off Goren and they needed one more episode to do it! So we would have closure to his character! AHHHHHH!

Ok, just googled it and several websites mention a 17th episode named "Ashes of Time" but there is no other information. I don't even like the title!

Don't think that cluck! Whatever would we do?

Cool! Like a bonus track on a CD, or a bonus boss in a videogame.

Does anyone else think "Ashes of Time" sounds just plain weird for a L&O title?

Someone give cluck a paper bag to breathe into.

OK, everybody calm down! It's OK!! He's NOT going to die!!!!

::tigger starts passing out paper bags, breathe in, breathe out::


Here's why:

1. For us, it's about DONK DONK, but for USA, it's about CHA-CHING. Most uber-fans like us will continue to watch for stuff we think is cool if Goren is gone, like Rodgers' changing wardrobe, but casual viewers will not. At 4 million-ish viewers per episode, and an appearance usually in the top 20 (of what, dozens of cable shows?), ain't no way USA is willing to risk cutting that audience in half or more by killing off the protagonist. They need to hawk Aussie Shampoo. VDO and KE make, I think, $350K each per episode. Why in the world would you sink that kind of money into a 9th season for even KE if you were fairly certain (as I'm sure they are) that the show will tank if they kill off Goren? Nichols is good, but he isn't Goren, and never will be as well-liked as Goren is, IMO.

2. If they didn't kill off Logan, and they're not killing off Monk (to my knowledge) they ain't killing off Bobby Goren. Monk is getting a huge send off. Monk, for crying out loud. Think about it.

3. I am 100% convinced this is a story about redemption. I know, I've said this before: you are not your past, you are not your family, you are not your genetics. You can overcome all that stuff and heal. It is ultimately inspiration for all of us. To have the main character start to heal through season 8 and then get killed in a freak accident destroys the main theme of the show. If something bad does happen to Bobby, it will be to help him heal further and advance his relationship with Eames as he recovers.

There are probably other reasons that I haven't processed yet. But DO NOT WORRY!!!!

Given the above, that he is not going to die, which I am convinced is true, I don't care if they call the next episode "The Grim Reaper". HE ISN'T GOING TO DIE.

There will be a season 9, and Bobby will be alive throughout it.
There will be a season 9, and Bobby will be alive throughout it.
There will be a season 9, and Bobby will be alive throughout it.

Intone mantra until convinced. Breathe in, breathe out . . . .

I think that until Charlene posts the link to whatever it is she read, there is no reason to panic. I won't believe anything bad is going to happen until I read and or see it with my own eyes. Previews lie, rumors get started and people panic for no reason.

While I adore Nichols, I'm sure if something were going to happen to Goren, we would have heard tremors long before now. I have read (with my own eyes ), VDO's statements that he has signed on for season 9 and that he is committed to remain with the show for as long as it runs. So unless something has happened to change his mind (or the powers that be), my faith is with VDO.

Like Redheadedtigger, I'm asking that Charlene please post the link or give us the name of the website that she read this information at.

This all makes sense! Thank you! ::breathes deeply into bag::

I did comb over the latest TV Guide while getting my nails done and did not find anything! "Revolution" is listed in the schedule but not as the season finale. There is another "new" episode listed for 8/9 but no title or description.

Goren is NOT going anywhere. Vincent D'Onofrio and Kathryn Erbe are tied in a 5-7 YEAR CONTRACT since season 4! (2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009) They would have another year before they would have to sign another contract (next season)!

But if Goren does get hurt in the season finale, it's only because they want to make viewers watch next season to see if Goren will be okay and how Eames will be reacting! (Folks I'll get back to you with the link I read, I was over at my bf's house, he's got DSL while I'm on this dial-up crap!) It's like back here in 2007 when they 'shot' Adrian Monk ("Monk") and the ratings went up. That's probably what the writers are going for... they want us to want to and rack in viewers for next season.

(Bear with me a second and listen to this please) Like "In Plain Sight's" season 1 finale, Mary's kidnapped, her sister is believe to be mixed in a drug ring, the truth about Mary's father comes out, Jinx's drinking increases, Stan McQueen/Marshall Mann show anger when FBI Agent O' Conner snoops into the private lives of the Shannon family.... and etc, etc. But then the second season premiere they are slowly getting back into their normal lives until the middle of the season when all hell breaks loose... Mary/Marshall almost lose their lives over a bridge building lunatic, Agent O'Connor comes back into the Shannon's lives and makes it a living hell, Mary/Raph get engaged AFTER she tells him she's a US Marshall, which drives Marshall Mann crazy (yeah!) and the SECOND SEASON FIANLE... well we'll see!

It's all about the story lines and the drama (THE WRITERS!). In Plain Sight's ratings are higher than CI's for that reason. If the writers would realize what they're writing/typing they could do better episodes if they think hard enough. That's why if it is true, they wanna run Goren over for something to happen NEXT season.

Question: What's this about ANOTHER episode? A 17th episode!

So IMHO, I think this sucks all the way around. Obviously none of us want Goren to die. But the getting hurt thing? Is this so VDO has to do even less episodes? You know if Bobby survives he'll need rehab, time off etc... Then I thought about the whole pain pill angle. Lets make Goren an addict now, coping with pain from the accident. I know I'm getting a little carried away in my speculation, but it's not too far fetched, is it?

Being a shipper, I welcome almost anything that challanges and fuels the dynamic between G/E, but I'd rather they not hurt Bobby again, so soon. This just seems like a cheap shot, if it is true. As for the "extra" mystery episode, that's just weird. Weird that all this info is popping up now, all of a sudden.

if Goren dies it should be suicide, since they keep him so down in the dumps, geez let the guy start smiling again.

Why is everyone saying Bobby's gonna die? Surely not! Didn't they say the same about Logan? Oh no, could it be his last episode?

This is news is both making me extremely happy and freaking me out!
Happy-- 'cause Goren will be in it
Freaking out-- knocked by a cab? OMG, jeez... It's hard to believe. But frankly I wouldn't mind that if Bobby came out ok!.....
And since I'm shipper I hope it would bring something out for B/A

But still this is really scaring the hell out of me!!!!

Me and you both!

The pain pill angle has been done to death on television, but so far I've only seen it on ensamble episodes. E.R. did it spectacularly and I think CSI: Miami also did it. This is also a very long leap from the glimpses of rumors that we started with. In other words, Goren and Nichols would be proud!



How . . . how could you say that!? I thought you were more even-headed than that!

I don't think they would kill Goren, I just think this season he seems to be so depressed that it would fit his mood to be taken out like that. They did it on House. I mean Look at what the man has been though.

I think Goren has done a nice job this season getting himself together. He was pretty gloomy in the beginning but he seems much like his old self now. He's even laughed a few times. I would hate for him to suffer such a big injury after healing so much emotionally. He has come such a long way and now they're gonna run him over? That's cruel.

I completely agree! We'd have a much better sense of this by watching the eps in order. Remember how great he was (and looked) in Family Values?!

I still think the actual chance of him being injured is slim, but then again, I could see that happening if 1) it pulls a cliffhanger to drive up the ratings for season 9, and 2) it was used as a premise to bring out more strength in Alex.

I hope nothing bad happens to him. If it does, he'll have worse luck than Shleprock, that guy from the Flintstones who walked around with a rain cloud over his head. Let's hope the writers do better than that.

Cluck, I think until we have confirmation we shouldn't worry. I would hope that the writers would show the loyal Goren/LOCI fans more respect than to do something like this to such a wonderful character. I agree with you that VDO/Goren has shown us a believable healing process this season - it wasn't overnight and all better, it was slow and visible. His passion and humor have returned slowly after having suffered some terrible tragedies, just as would happen in real life. I think we've gotten glimpses of 'vintage' Goren that have been true to form and very welcome.

As for the idea of suicide, I'm just shuddering at the thought and am very sad it was even suggested. For anyone who saw the episode of House when Kutner committed suicide, I can tell you from experience that the emotions portrayed by his family and friends were very true. I'm the surviving sister of a very amazing, warm and loving brother who chose to end his life. There are no answers to those who are left behind - there is anger, sadness, denial, doubt, emptiness, but no answers as to why someone would feel that is the only way.

If we know anything about Bobby Goren, he cares more about others than he does himself, so I cannot accept that he would do such a horrible thing and leave his friends behind to suffer those emotions, but that's just my opinion.

I HOPE NOTHING happens to Bobby but I agree. I think if he is harmed, they're only doing it for a cliffhanger or because they want to 'bring out strength in Alex'! How does the episode go from a (kidnapped or murdered???) bank executive to Goren getting run over by a cab driver??? Vincent D'Onofrio is listed in the cast to be in the season finale. ("Law & Order: Criminal Intent" Revolution (2009)) Maybe the writers said they wanted to pick up the ratings for next season by knocking someone out! (I hope Bobby doesn't get put into a coma! NOOO!)

Maybe: Goren comes in and helps (Like Eames did in "Renewal" which was the season SIX finale which was a L/W). And somehow by the end Goren gets run over by a cab and then it's a cliffie and we won't know what happened to Goren until next year, or until episode 8x17 airs.

Now I want to see the season finale and (episode 8.17, Ashes of Time???) the season 9 premiere! (I wanted it to be ran by Nichols/Wheeler but after this I want it to be Goren/Eames) I can't believe we may have a 17th episode now and a guy on YouTube said Vincent opted out of the season finale... It's so much stuff in the air now, being so close to the season finale! I was even reading on Twitter that someone said Marshall Mann was going out into the desert, take his gun, and start shooting in a random direction to get over that Mary is engaged to Raph now in the season finale of "In Plain Sight"!

Like last year: when people said Noth's character Mike Logan was gonna get shot! ("Last Rites") Or when they said Goren was going to grab a scalpel off the tray, knock it over, and kill the Medical Examiner (Rodgers, which we didn't know until a day or two before the episode) WHICH HE DID NOT KILL HER! ("Frame")

But if it is true about Goren getting knocked out by a cab, they better make Eames 'step up'! (maybe not the right phrase)

As a friend of mine said after a failed suicide attempt, when you're that deep into it you don't believe anyone cares enough to miss you, and you don't have enough energy to take responsibility for their feelings or how much work they'd have after your death.

I'm sorry to hear that, Judy. That must be horrible for you and your family. I think the part of Kutner's suicide that really cut deepest was that he left no note. To have no clue as to why he did such a thing would be the worst part.

I don't think Goren would commit suicide after all he'd been through as long as he has Eames as a partner and friend. Anyway, why have we jumped from "hit by a cabbie" to "suicide"? We don't even know for certain he'll get hit. It might get cut from the ending like Eames's infamous meeting with her sister.

Reason number four: Donny

Bobby is not dying, and USA is not ending the show, until Donny is found.


DONNY PEOPLE!!!!

wait, what if Donny hears Goren got run over and goes to visit him!
or Molly!
That would be one way to start off Season 9!!!!!

Bobby will fight to survive for us!

So wait, first VDO is listed in the cast (I saw that on IMDB) but then you say he opted out of the season finale? So we're freaking out about a supposed scene in an episode he's not even in? I'm getting confused!

Coudn't find anything on YouTube related to it either.

Hi, I'm Eric (or 'the E') but anyway. I just joined 10 mins ago. I've been a CI fan since season 6. I love Detectives Eames and Wheeler! (I'll do a profile later) I follow this board closley since it's move to the network and this one was an eye opener! And I've GOT to put in MY two-cents.

An episode title "Ashes of Time" and Bobby Goren getting hit in the season finale!!!! WTF!!! NO!!! But I have heard the rumors too! But here is how I heard it from my friend Jackie... it was CAPTAIN ROSS walking to an open diner after getting off work, and he gets hit by the cab! And here's the twist.

NICOLE WALLACE was driving! Goren finds out first by a text message to his phone and WHOA BACK THE F UP!! GOREN.... COMITTING "SUICIDE"! HELL NO, where do you get your facts??? Vincent D'Onofrio is NOT READY to give up his role yet! I was reading that someone said he and Erbe are tied into a contract. They renewed them again THIS season! Goren's NOT committing suicide!

If it is Bobby who gets hit I hope they let Eames continue with Nichols while Goren is in the hospital! (That poor man!) Wow, this has shaken the fans, even me! Goren AND Wheeler in the hospital??? WOW!

Did I miss the part on this forum where they hand out the complimentary hallucinogenics?

It's gettin' mighty deep folks, I'm jus' sayin.....

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LawAnd...p;view=comments

Why would he opt out of the season finale? Does he not get how much we want Goren to work with Nichols? Oh, God, Vincent, please don't shoot yourself in the foot by being difficult!



I'm hoping the Nicole thing is not at all true.

I don´t believe Goren will die, maybe it´s something related to Nicole or even some other tragedy but I really hope he lives.

I agree with scarlet. I'm going to drive myself mad if I keep letting my head run amok with rumors and "what ifs".

I'm not dismissing anyone's concerns in any way shape or form. I think it shows how incredibly emotionally invested we are in the show! But I'm going to have to ease up on the treats Frank Goren gave me. He always has good quality stuff. LOL

Oh, I just heard another rumor that Bobby's going to be abducted by an alien bug and then he goes around killing people. Oh wait, somebody already wrote that plot . . .

I'm really not trying to be offensive or dismissive, I really just want to keep it light--no more sadness for our Bobby, please! All will be well! Have faith!

VDO has, sold a condo, and his wife in unloading the business.

I've moved about 22 times in my 38 years on this planet, and I know what a "relocation"-to-do list looks like.
Adios Bobby, it was lovely knowing ya!

Alright, Charlene...you started this rumor and now is the time to back it up. I have not seen ANY reliable source quoted. Sorry...Youtube does not qualify as a reliable source. IMDb may list VDO in the credits of this episode, but IMDb is NOT infallible. And even if he is in the episode, where is the reliable source that says he will be injured?

As far as I'm concerned this RUMOR has gotten out of control. I am seriously thinking of deleting all posts having to do with this UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOR. If you have a source, Charlene, you need to post it immediately.

Please post a link to whatever RELIABLE SOURCE you got this rumor from.

Actually, it worked pretty well that first time . . . Wouldn't be the first time L&O recycled a plot!

I'm not trying to offend anyone either. But I just think it's odd that this mornng I come to this board and Bobby's getting hit by a drunk cab driver. By 10pm tonight there's another mystery episode/season finale no one knew about until today. VDO is selling his worldly goods and moving from NYC.(Yes I know his wife is closing her store) He's in the finale, then he's not, then he is. Nicole Wallace is an undead zombie taxi driver taking out Captain Ross instead of Bobby, or maybe both Ross and Bobby...... I agree with redheaded_tigger. Someone has been hitting Frank's bong a little hard

I agree, it's been a long day.

In defense of the other poster, I think the content of the post that spoke of Nicole Wallace running over Ross was tongue-in-cheek.

Can somone PLEASE WORRY ABOUT CONFIRMING A 17TH EPISODE! Screw what happens to Goren/Eames Nichols/Wheeler and Ross (for the moment) Though I wish to know if we can expect a character to get harm or not! I've been reading crap about stuff to the show and from it too. God people were going crazy of a TV series!!