USA_Admin
Jul 12 2009, 10:35 PM
Episode #211 "Jailbait"
The barely legal daughter of Mary's witness – a Miami racketeer – finds herself in a dangerous romance, just as Raph's mother visits to prepare an engagement feast for the surprised Mary.
What did everyone think of this episode? How do you feel about Mary and Raph's engagement? Will they actually go through with it? Do you want them to?
kerris4fav
Jul 12 2009, 10:38 PM
I LOVED this episode and I teared up at their engagement<--not something I do easy.
I hope the writers continue with the story line, I like how
Raphael brings the emotional part of Mary to the surface.
KellyeMac
Jul 12 2009, 10:48 PM
I liked the home storyline (Raph's mom coming to cook for four days to celebrate the engagement that wasn't) and was mildly interested in the case they were on. I tend to like the cases involving kids more and this one just didn't hit me.
The yes at the end of the episode was unexpected but not unbelievable. I didn't really see Mary as the marrying type, though, and she barely seems to like Raph sometimes. I'm sticking around to see what happens there because it's entertaining.
ciaddict
Jul 12 2009, 11:14 PM
She said yes! YAY!
Catwoman313
Jul 12 2009, 11:26 PM
OMG! I was totally floored by the ending!! I was expecting, at the very least, for Raph to finally decide he's had enough of trying to crack Mary's shell. I just knew that Mary was going to say there was no point in continuing the relationship, but I was so wrong!! Her saying yes was the last thing I expected. We'll see if she changes her mind in the morning. I hope not...
I cracked up at the various comments about the goat dish; they reminded me of all the delicious, traditional foods I ate as a child, foods that most Americans would rather die from hunger than eat

And what is it about parents trying to protect their children by concealing the warts of other family members? Don't they realize the children are usually aware of all that dirty laundry? And if they don't know now, when they do find out, and they will, it's not going to end well.
The case was pretty good until they got to court, then the storyline got pretty weak. What was the reasoning behind allowing Olivia in the courtroom while her father testified? Did Olivia really think being with Calderon's son was going to guarantee her safety, especially after she learned that her mother had been Calderon's target and not her father? Did she really think Calderon would not use his son's relationship with her to intimidate Jesus? Oh, I forgot. She's an 18-year old in LUUUUV. The surprise of the daughter being involved with Calderon's son was a good one, but I can't believe Mary and Marshall didn't just snatch up Jesus and Olivia and relocate them again after that. I mean, how much more compromised did they have to get before they were relocated??!!
tvnerd
Jul 13 2009, 01:36 AM
So I take it I was the only one literally yelling at my TV yelling, "No Mary! Don't do it! Ralph's nice, but he's not the one for you! It's Marshall!!!!!!" Or was that just me?
Of course I still gave it 5 stars, if for nothing else getting me to yell at an inanimate object
Basia77
Jul 13 2009, 01:42 AM
I don't get why Mary said yes. If anything, that conversation proved that they have a lot of problems and don't talk to each other. It didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I don't know. It feels like a mistake to me.
But the rest of the episode was pretty good. I thought Brandi was really funny with the goat. I'm really starting to like her more and more.
The witness stuff was okay, but I liked watching Mary and Marshall work, and I love that Eleanor and Mary snark on each other so much.
tvnerd
Jul 13 2009, 01:46 AM
QUOTE (Basia77 @ Jul 13 2009, 01:42 AM)

I don't get why Mary said yes. If anything, that conversation proved that they have a lot of problems and don't talk to each other. It didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I don't know. It feels like a mistake to me.
Right with you there Basia77
Summer_Fun
Jul 13 2009, 08:41 AM
No mistake from where I sit. Mary has been re-thinking the relationship and they've gone from friends with benefits to a genuine couple this season. The fatal mistake would be Mary suddenly deciding she's in love with Marshall. Sorry - no way that won't smell like pandering to the fangirls.
tvnerd
Jul 13 2009, 10:36 AM
QUOTE (Summer_Fun @ Jul 13 2009, 08:41 AM)

The fatal mistake would be Mary suddenly deciding she's in love with Marshall. Sorry - no way that won't smell like pandering to the fangirls.
I agree with that statement. As much as I want M&M together, I'd like it believable. First realizing what an mistake it is to marry a guy who thinks you'd like a ring in a cupcake. Then down the line season 4, 5, 6, etc.... have her realize that her feelings have in fact changed slowly.
bobbysthebest1
Jul 13 2009, 10:55 AM
I actually sort of liked this one; which is actually something considering I don’t like most of the episodes.
1) Daddy stunk and I didn’t find him (the character) believable at the end. In the beginning it looked like was trying to get his wife killed and that’s what I actually believed until the end. At the end, when he explains about the hit I still think he wanted her dead, because he didn’t shove her into the car; just the girl. Daddy is a hard core bully who his hard headed and handed the entire show and suddenly is all mush at the end? I don’t know; plausible but unlikely to the point of being almost unbelievable. Also, exactly how did he get her friend (I’ve forgotten his name) back in New Mexico to tell him where she was? I have a hard time believing he asked nicely and the kid just volunteered the info to the one person he knew she wouldn’t want to know.
2) I actually had to go with Mary on telling mama. It wasn’t fair for him to not tell her the truth and the occasion meant so much to her. He should have stepped up sooner.
3) I thought Mary saying yes after she understood that the decision to get married was something Raf had put a lot of thought into was believable. She didn’t want to marry him if it was just something that popped into his mind and thought “hey, that’s a good idea.” She wanted to know that he really had thought about it and it really meant something to him. He had never explained any of this (to be fair, neither did she) and so, she wouldn’t marry him. Once she realized the true extent of the situation, that it was thought out and was important to him, she did want to marry him. As far as his decision to put the ring in the cupcake; honestly men don’t always know what their significant other views as romantic.
JaredD
Jul 13 2009, 12:58 PM
I working up my-rating-and-why post, but in the meantime, I must say Raph's retired-getting-on-with-my-life speech shook me for a moment.
I thought—I feel a breaking-up-scene coming on.
I thought—this thing with his mother is the deal breaker (even though I agreed with Mary).
I thought—no matter how much he loves her, he is (justly) tired of living with the little bit of her (take it or leave it) self she is willing to give him.
I thought—he has had his fill of suffering through the uncertainty of whether she loves him enough to ever be able to commit.
I thought—he has decided to "cut bait"; he is going to throw up his hands, give her the enough-is-enough speech, get on with his life, and that will be that.
I thought—Raph is leaving, to heck with Mary, what about the rest of us? If he had been written out in last night's episode, I would have been truly, deeply heartbroken.
(Glad to see so much Raph in last night's episode. Yes, he is eye-candy for the spirit, but he is also a fine actor and it's good to see him do more than just "walk-on-with-laundry".)
ciaddict
Jul 13 2009, 01:14 PM
QUOTE (JaredD @ Jul 13 2009, 10:58 AM)

I working up my-rating-and-why post, but in the meantime, I must say Raph's retired-getting-on-with-my-life speech shook me for a moment.
I thought—I feel a breaking-up-scene coming on.
I thought—this thing with his mother is the deal breaker (even though I agreed with Mary).
I thought—no matter how much he loves her, he is (justly) tired of living with the little bit of her (take it or leave it) self she is willing to give him.
I thought—he has had his fill of suffering through the uncertainty of whether she loves him enough to ever be able to commit.
I thought—he has decided to "cut bait"; he is going to throw up his hands, give her the enough-is-enough speech, get on with his life, and that will be that.
I thought—Raph is leaving, to heck with Mary, what about the rest of us? If he had been written out in last night's episode, I would have been truly, deeply heartbroken.
(Glad to see so much Raph in last night's episode. Yes, he is eye-candy for the spirit, but he is also a fine actor and it's good to see him do more than just "walk-on-with-laundry".)
I had those exact same thoughts! And was SO happy to be wrong! You're right, Cristian is a wonderful actor (and he ain't bad on the eyes!).
JaredD
Jul 14 2009, 01:31 PM
Raph and Mary kinda of stole the episode's thunder at the end. All of a sudden the secondary story vaults right over the primary one for me.
The primary was still a good one. I can understand the father trying to protect his daughter from the knowledge of her mother's indiscretions. I think the words we are looking for here are "guilt" and "love". Because of the kind of lifestyle he chose, the people he associated with he felt responsible even if the mother's death was not because of him. Olivia had lost her mother and everyone and everything she had known before. She loved and looked up to her mother, he loved his daughter; he didn't want her to lose the only thing she had left—her idealized memories of her mother.
"Romeo and Juliet" didn't connect for me when Olivia's bff, Eric, told Mary and Marshall about the screen names they used on his computer. So, yes it surprised me when her SoulMate turned out to be the son of…. I agree with the other poster about court, what was she "doing in court"? With the way her boyfriend was smirking, and the glances between father and son, Olivia looked more like a hostage than a girlfriend. Which undoubtedly was her father's take on the situation.
Thought the running gag with the goat dish was really chuckle-worthy.
A little quibble—Where do you find people who don't know enough to hit the deck or run for cover when they hear gunfire? All that time standing around screaming and/or beating on a locked door PLEASE! What about survival instincts? (The next thing you will be showing us is folks who, when they hear gunshots, stick their heads out the door to see what's going on.)
bobbysthebest1
Jul 14 2009, 02:39 PM
QUOTE (JaredD @ Jul 14 2009, 01:31 PM)

A little quibble—Where do you find people who don't know enough to hit the deck or run for cover when they hear gunfire? All that time standing around screaming and/or beating on a locked door PLEASE! What about survival instincts? (The next thing you will be showing us is folks who, when they hear gunshots, stick their heads out the door to see what's going on.)
I agree, but have you ever seen what most people do when they see a "Wet Paint" sign? They always have to touch the paint to see if it's wet!

As if someone would put up the sign to trick them into not touching a wall (or whatever). I bet there's some people out there who would hear gun shots and look around to see if it was realy gun shots or someone tricking them. Of course, their heads would be blown off then, but they'd have their answer. Still, one would think that a bunch of leos and/or gangsters (mobsters, whatever) wouldn't take for granted the sound of gun shots.
JaredD
Jul 15 2009, 01:19 PM
Why would Olivia's friend, Eric, tell her dad where she was hiding?
Let's face it Eric wasn't much more than a kid—just like Olivia. After that first run in with Dad, where his own daughter had to cream him with a skillet to stop him, no doubt when he showed up at Eric's banishing that tire iron, it didn't take much to persuade him to give Olivia up. Mary and Marshall appealed to Eric's sense of caring--doing what was best for Olivia; it seems likely that dad, on the other hand, appealed to his wish to live—especially his wish to live a healthy, pain-free life.
LuckyLindy
Jul 23 2009, 11:30 AM
QUOTE (Basia77 @ Jul 13 2009, 01:42 AM)

I thought Brandi was really funny with the goat. I'm really starting to like her more and more.

I'm loving Brandi a lot lately as well. Ever since she got with Peter, her life has been looking up and that's really nice to see.
As for the episode, I just can't see Mary and Raph getting married. I'm with the people who think it was a heat-of-the-moment decision, and he kind of guilted her into it, which is no way to propose at all. But speaking strictly of the writing and the direction this out the show in, I'm loving it! The writers are doing an A+ job, and just because Raph and Mary are engaged doesn't mean they're getting married...
As a side note, I feel bad for poor Marshall. Whatever ship you follow, whether you think Raph and Mary are a match made in heaven or not, you can agree that Marshall's got some feelings for his partner.
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