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Basia77
I just read a press release that IPS and Criminal Intent were wrapping up their seasons on August 9th, but that only allows for 15 episodes (since they aren't airing a new episode on Fourth of July weekend).

I thought that we were getting 16 episodes this season - is the season being cut short for some reason?
USA_Admin
It's a bit complicated. From what I understand, 15 episodes will air this season, but 16 episodes will be fimed. Episode 15 has the season-ending cliffhanger, and to make production easier the resolution will be filmed now but aired next season.
Basia77
QUOTE (USA_Admin @ Jun 9 2009, 11:52 AM) *
It's a bit complicated. From what I understand, 15 episodes will air this season, but 16 episodes will be fimed. Episode 15 has the season-ending cliffhanger, and to make production easier the resolution will be filmed now but aired next season.



Ah, okay! That makes sense - especially from a production standpoint. I just wanted to make sure that nothing was dropped for a bad reason!

I saw the same thing was happening to CI, but that's a show where it would be fairly easy to "cut and paste" episodes around since they are a lot more "stand alone" than a show like IPS.

As long as we get to see that 16th episode and season three then I'm a happy camper.

Thank you for your response - it is really great that the Admins around here are so responsive!
pb56
QUOTE (USA_Admin @ Jun 9 2009, 01:52 PM) *
It's a bit complicated. From what I understand, 15 episodes will air this season, but 16 episodes will be fimed. Episode 15 has the season-ending cliffhanger, and to make production easier the resolution will be filmed now but aired next season.



Are we getting a third season? I haven't seen an "official" announcement yet.
Summer_Fun
I would think it's just a matter of time. They're breaking four million viewers now, in line with last season, and in the Top 20, depending on what cartoons are showing that week.
psychipsmonk
they just renewed for a third season.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/conten...c0962f7ee502022

also, the twitter feed (which is official) stated the same.

so we're all set! smile.gif
Nell92
QUOTE (psychipsmonk @ Aug 4 2009, 08:40 PM) *
they just renewed for a third season.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/conten...c0962f7ee502022

also, the twitter feed (which is official) stated the same.

so we're all set! smile.gif


Well, maybe...check this out: E Online

This is the best show currently on tv. It's adult oriented, deals with problems in an intelligent way, and is the one show I look forward to watching every week. The dark, psychological aspect of the main characters is what drew me to the show in the first place. Mary is troubled, in over her head in her personal relationships, and somehow manages to hold it all together so that she can do her job.

So help me, if they turn this show into In Plain Psyche, I am so gone!

Nell
Courser
QUOTE (Nell92 @ Aug 8 2009, 09:09 AM) *
Well, maybe...check this out: E Online

This is the best show currently on tv. It's adult oriented, deals with problems in an intelligent way, and is the one show I look forward to watching every week. The dark, psychological aspect of the main characters is what drew me to the show in the first place. Mary is troubled, in over her head in her personal relationships, and somehow manages to hold it all together so that she can do her job.

So help me, if they turn this show into In Plain Psyche, I am so gone!

Nell


Same here. There's a reason that In Plain Sight is the only USA network show I watch. For once, the female lead is a character I can really get in touch with and relate to. The angst and pathos is what drew me to the show in the first place.

It's a crying shame that the network can't appreciate that. Of course, I'm probably in a demographic they don't care about anyway.

:::sigh:::
Summer_Fun
I'm not having a heart attack until I need to have a heart attack about these changes. They rarely amount to anything as drastic as articles like this make them appear to be. I am sorry to see Bobby D and Jinx off regular status, but they are functionally recurring characters, as is Raph, anyway, so what's the dif as long as we see them? I doubt USA will make this show go all bubble-gum fun; after all, this is the network of Burn Notice, with a hero who committed murder in the summer finale. I'd like to see more about the inner workings of WITSEC; I often feel those stories get short shrift to the more soap-opera elements of Mary's life, and Brandi's storyline. They could pack that up in toto and we'd never miss it.

This show has always been a bit weak in the overall storytelling, particularly with the witness stories, and rarely integrates the personal and witness stories anywhere near as adeptly as Burn Notice or The Closer do. It could use some help in that department.
Nell92
QUOTE (Summer_Fun @ Aug 9 2009, 02:17 PM) *
This show has always been a bit weak in the overall storytelling, particularly with the witness stories, and rarely integrates the personal and witness stories anywhere near as adeptly as Burn Notice or The Closer do. It could use some help in that department.


But the whole reason I watch this show is because of Mary and her inability to deal with her personal life. I know people just like her, and they are highly functioning people -- with their sweet moments when you peel away the layers and take the time to look. The storytelling, for me, is just fine because as Mary has reminded us, most of the people who enter WITSEC are criminals and crap to begin with. Usually we get to see the cream of the crop, those who actually do have some humanity to them; but believe me, most of them are, not to put too fine a point on it, scumbags who would sell their grandmothers for immunity from prosecution. I watch Burn Notice for the same reasons -- I like the main characters and could care less about "B" stories (except when Michael Shanks guest starred as Victor), and I don't watch The Closer because it IS too procedural. If I want procedural, I'll watch Law & Order. In Plain Sight is about Mary hiding from herself and hiding herself from the rest of the world. The WITSEC storylines are just window dressing.

Where this show IS weak is in continuity and editing and detail specifics. Little things such as a California State flag in a Pennsylvania correctional facility that appears to be located in a desert (few of which, if any, exist in the Keystone State). Or when from two different angles in the same scene Eleanor is holding the magical Flegler stapler from both the top and the bottom. Or whether Mary and Marshall's real names should be on their name plates when their witnesses come into the office and are introduced to them under other names.

Mary speaks for a lot of women who have been told all their lives to keep their mouths shut and their opinions to themselves, don't make waves, always look pretty, be perfect, and you can have it all. Mary isn't perfect, and while she does her work with supreme competence, her personal life is a wreck. She's being forced to try to have it all -- the job, the family life, the fiance -- and she's losing the battle because she can't juggle all the plates that are spinning in the air without something crashing down and hitting her in the head. That's what this show is about, and I'm sorry to say that it appears that TPTB don't get that.
kchnwtch
What's really going on is that USA can't stand to have a good show, they have to ruin it, just like NBC their daddy company. I think David Maples should just sell his show to another network, like "Medium" did, and continue his QUALITY work without being abused by USA.

I think all you quality West Wing actor folks out there should stand by your David Maples and go elsewhere, so that you can continue working with the kinds of scripts that make a difference.

USA Network, shame on you.
ipsfan10077
I've never posted on any of the USA Network boards, but I just read the E! article on this show, and I'm hoping the USA Network people will read these comments and listen to them. I've been watching In Plain Sight since the first episode and I think that it's a great show just the way it is. David Maples has done a fantastic job.
This is the only USA network orginal show that I watch, and I like it because it's more of a drama and it's darker. Most of the shows are more comedic or more procedural, but I really like how this show is more about how the characters deal with there personal lives. I watch it mostly for that more than the witnesses and their stories.
If USA Network changes this show too drastically, they'll lose a lot of viewers. It's one thing to change directors, but I don't understand why they want to change the general tone of the show. Obviously a lot of people like it just the way it is, and they should leave it alone and not mess with what works.
So, all that said, hopefully that article was just stating it dramatically, and it won't be that big of a change. I do hope, though, that the people at USA newtwork will listen to what the viewers have to say and take that into consideration.
mowgo
QUOTE (ipsfan10077 @ Aug 10 2009, 07:55 PM) *
I've never posted on any of the USA Network boards, but I just read the E! article on this show, and I'm hoping the USA Network people will read these comments and listen to them. I've been watching In Plain Sight since the first episode and I think that it's a great show just the way it is. David Maples has done a fantastic job.
This is the only USA network orginal show that I watch, and I like it because it's more of a drama and it's darker. Most of the shows are more comedic or more procedural, but I really like how this show is more about how the characters deal with there personal lives. I watch it mostly for that more than the witnesses and their stories.
If USA Network changes this show too drastically, they'll lose a lot of viewers. It's one thing to change directors, but I don't understand why they want to change the general tone of the show. Obviously a lot of people like it just the way it is, and they should leave it alone and not mess with what works.
So, all that said, hopefully that article was just stating it dramatically, and it won't be that big of a change. I do hope, though, that the people at USA newtwork will listen to what the viewers have to say and take that into consideration.



I registered to say the same thing as you! I love the show as is. While I'm OK with less Jinx, I can't help think that getting rid of the show creator is a bad idea. It's a great DRAMA, that pairs well with L&O:CI, another DRAMA. It was a stupid move to not show part 2 of the season ender. We know that Mary will survive, so it really isn't a cliffhanger.

Making the show into a quirky character comedy will be the death of this show. And if they make Marshall the comic relief, I will stop watching. mad.gif
KellyK
QUOTE (USA_Admin @ Jun 9 2009, 01:52 PM) *
It's a bit complicated. From what I understand, 15 episodes will air this season, but 16 episodes will be fimed. Episode 15 has the season-ending cliffhanger, and to make production easier the resolution will be filmed now but aired next season.


So has this changed? Do we still get to see Episode 16? I ask because now I am reading elsewhere on the IPS Forum that the Episode 16 that was filmed was done away with. I thought I'd ask here because I noticed that USA_Admin posted here before. I'm not trying to spread rumors and gossip. I just want to be an informed viewer. Thanks.
Summer_Fun
There's a lot of speculation about what will happen to the Episode 16 that is already finished, and invariably, someone makes it sound like they know more than they do. A certain amount of speculation is normal, but that's all it is.

You're wise not to spread rumors and gossip. They're the plague of the internet. I just read a post on another board for another show where someone was joking about being king of the world and banning internet rumors. He or she has the right idea.
mowgo
QUOTE (Summer_Fun @ Aug 11 2009, 10:12 PM) *
There's a lot of speculation about what will happen to the Episode 16 that is already finished, and invariably, someone makes it sound like they know more than they do. A certain amount of speculation is normal, but that's all it is.

You're wise not to spread rumors and gossip. They're the plague of the internet. I just read a post on another board for another show where someone was joking about being king of the world and banning internet rumors. He or she has the right idea.


That David Marples was let go, and that episode 16 won't be shown, are not rumors. They are facts that have been reported in the media. Maples and USA's president of original programming, Jeff Wachtel, gave interviews to E! about the subject. The E! story states "The finale was originally scripted and shot as a two-parter. However, the network is only airing part one. "
Look here for the interview

Maples says: "With all two-part episodes, the first part has a cliff-hanger to bring the audience to the second part. We are ending the season with the first part of the two-parter. It's a very dramatic episode; it has a lot to do with the personal relationships with our characters and much of that resolution is in the second part that is not going to be aired. Had I known that we were not going to air the 16th episode of the season, it's not how I would've chosen to end our season."
Summer_Fun
You need to reread what I said. None of what you cite has anything to do with what I was discussing. I stand by what I said - we DO NOT know what will happen to Episode 16 as it sits in the can. The rest of your post is irrelevant to the discussion, and not in dispute.
leighann1001
QUOTE (mowgo @ Aug 14 2009, 04:08 AM) *
That David Marples was let go, and that episode 16 won't be shown, are not rumors. They are facts that have been reported in the media. Maples and USA's president of original programming, Jeff Wachtel, gave interviews to E! about the subject. The E! story states "The finale was originally scripted and shot as a two-parter. However, the network is only airing part one. "
Look here for the interview

Maples says: "With all two-part episodes, the first part has a cliff-hanger to bring the audience to the second part. We are ending the season with the first part of the two-parter. It's a very dramatic episode; it has a lot to do with the personal relationships with our characters and much of that resolution is in the second part that is not going to be aired. Had I known that we were not going to air the 16th episode of the season, it's not how I would've chosen to end our season."


I took that to mean they aren't airing episode 16 now. David Maples wanted it to be the season ender and whoever is taking over wants to save it. Which does leave room for re-working anything. But I don't think they'll leave all this unresolved or pretend it never happened.
Basia77
I think it is possible that we will still see episode 16, or at least a re-edited/reworked version of it.

This could mean absolutely nothing, but I noticed that when that E!Online article was first published, it had a quote from Watchel where he specifically mentions something that happens in episode 16. That sentence has since been edited out of the article.

It could mean that sentence contained a spoiler for an episode that they plan on airing, so USA asked them to take that sentence out. Or it could mean nothing at all. Just throwing it out there. I guess we'll all find out in the Spring.
firelightandash
QUOTE (Basia77 @ Aug 14 2009, 11:01 AM) *
I think it is possible that we will still see episode 16, or at least a re-edited/reworked version of it.

This could mean absolutely nothing, but I noticed that when that E!Online article was first published, it had a quote from Watchel where he specifically mentions something that happens in episode 16. That sentence has since been edited out of the article.

It could mean that sentence contained a spoiler for an episode that they plan on airing, so USA asked them to take that sentence out. Or it could mean nothing at all. Just throwing it out there. I guess we'll all find out in the Spring.


Do you happen to know what the sentence was?
Basia77
QUOTE (firelightandash @ Aug 14 2009, 08:49 AM) *
Do you happen to know what the sentence was?



I do. It was by no means a huge spoiler and probably anyone who watched the season finale would say "Well, duh" but I just thought it was interesting that it got edited out.

I'll go ahead and spoiler tag it just in case:

Spoiler:
The original quote from Watchel was this:

Network executive Wachtel on the finale: "We're going to be off the air for eight or nine months, so it's really important that the finale sing. It needs to leave the audience wanting more and wondering what's going to happen next. The two-parter that David wrote had an odd rhythm. The big cliffhanger was the second-to-last episode and then the last episode was kind of melancholy, and Mary was unconscious for half of it. It was just a little droopy, and we didn't think it was the best way for us to go out. It was more important for us to serve the audience with an 'Oh my gosh' moment than a contemplative and sad postmortem."

And here is what is on E!'s website now:

Network executive Wachtel on the finale: "We're going to be off the air for eight or nine months, so it's really important that the finale sing. It needs to leave the audience wanting more and wondering what's going to happen next. The two-parter that David wrote had an odd rhythm. The big cliff-hanger was the second-to-last episode and then the last episode was kind of melancholy. It was just a little droopy, and we didn't think it was the best way for us to go out. It was more important for us to serve the audience with an 'oh my gosh' moment than a contemplative and sad postmortem."

So they just cut that one little sentence about Mary being unconscious for half of the episode.



So, not a big deal and not a big spoiler, but still could technically be a spoiler. I just thought it was interesting that something that seems so innocuous was edited out of the article after it was initially published.


firelightandash
You're right, that does seem a little odd. Thanks so much!
leighann1001
QUOTE (Basia77 @ Aug 14 2009, 12:03 PM) *
I do. It was by no means a huge spoiler and probably anyone who watched the season finale would say "Well, duh" but I just thought it was interesting that it got edited out.

I'll go ahead and spoiler tag it just in case:

Spoiler:
The original quote from Watchel was this:

Network executive Wachtel on the finale: "We're going to be off the air for eight or nine months, so it's really important that the finale sing. It needs to leave the audience wanting more and wondering what's going to happen next. The two-parter that David wrote had an odd rhythm. The big cliffhanger was the second-to-last episode and then the last episode was kind of melancholy, and Mary was unconscious for half of it. It was just a little droopy, and we didn't think it was the best way for us to go out. It was more important for us to serve the audience with an 'Oh my gosh' moment than a contemplative and sad postmortem."

And here is what is on E!'s website now:

Network executive Wachtel on the finale: "We're going to be off the air for eight or nine months, so it's really important that the finale sing. It needs to leave the audience wanting more and wondering what's going to happen next. The two-parter that David wrote had an odd rhythm. The big cliff-hanger was the second-to-last episode and then the last episode was kind of melancholy. It was just a little droopy, and we didn't think it was the best way for us to go out. It was more important for us to serve the audience with an 'oh my gosh' moment than a contemplative and sad postmortem."

So they just cut that one little sentence about Mary being unconscious for half of the episode.



So, not a big deal and not a big spoiler, but still could technically be a spoiler. I just thought it was interesting that something that seems so innocuous was edited out of the article after it was initially published.



She was unconscious for half of this one. What's the difference?
Summer_Fun
Why the spoiler tags? The episode's aired, so it's hardly a spoiler any longer.
Basia77
QUOTE (Summer_Fun @ Aug 14 2009, 06:14 PM) *
Why the spoiler tags? The episode's aired, so it's hardly a spoiler any longer.


Because the quote was referring to the 16th episode (Watchel was explaining why they didn't want to air it as the finale). Granted, basically the same thing happens in the finale, but I was just being careful because some fans really try to avoid spoilers.
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