Having owned Standard Poodless as pets and also as the owner/handler of a finished Champion-and yes I did it without a handler!- Enough of the 'doodle dogs.

Currently I can no longer groom my dog due to multiple surgeries on my wrist- but the notion that 'doodles don't shed is such a LIE! All dogs have some shedding- even my Standard Poodle. But when my dog is at the groomer and she has a Labradoodle on the table- the flying hair is just as bad as any other dog.

Please know that when you are purchasing one of these dogs- you have done nothing more than help destroy the lines of both Poodles, Labs, and Goldens. Most are bred by backyard breeders who do not do genetic testing, do not want anything other than your money and will not have you sign a contract to protect YOU- the dog owner.

Currently my neutered male has had 3 attempts to be stolen- and I know it is to stud for one of the local 'doodle breeders! I have followed them in my car after chasing them off. They don't realize he is neutered. If stolen- he would be killed or turned loose to run in traffic. In reality he is owned by a 14 year old. What a way to lose your dog!!!

Also- this is driving puppy mills into overdrive.

For what you are paying for your "designer" dog- you could buy a poodle, a lab, a golden- from a breeder- who has done all of the genetic testing, have a contract to protect you investment if anything would happen-hip dysplasia!-OR go to a rescue and get your dog there.

All of the clubs- PCA, LRCA and GRCA have local resuces. Support them and protect our breed.

YOU WILL NEVER EVER SEE A DOODLE IN THE RING AT WESTMINSTER!!!!!! OR ANY OTHER AKC SHOW- because they can't have a standard of the breed when you have Joe the back yard breeder out there selling them for $2000.

GET A GRIP!

I applaud you!!! But as long as people in this country are foolish enough to purchase from "back yard breeders", no matter the breed or "designer dog" or new breed, nothing can be done to prevent this from happening. There are no consequences for being stupid and it is the dogs\cats\horses, etc, that suffer.

I disagree. I love the doodle hybrid. I actually years ago,thought of what a good combination of genes the golden retriever and poodle would make as they are both such great dogs with good temperments. A mixed breed is more genetically diverse, generally healthier than a purebreed which in effect is inbred with a limited gene pool, resulting in many medical issues many times. Also, I hate the term "backyard breeder" because any breeder is in the business to make money whatever they say their motives are. We animal owners should have the rights to let our animals have offspring should we choose. It is the greed of turning animals into products that have caused pet overpopulation and documented pedigrees do not always lend assurance that the animal is superior.
To hybridize breeds is not a bad thing, it is only perception of people who want to control breeding rights. This is not only in dogs but many animals. I just had conversation with my sister who farms and health issues extend to farm animals. Petigreed, highly controlled breeds have more health issues in those as well as she has experienced. Pehaps, indiscriminate breeding for profit is a bad thing, but all dogs need not be purebred (ie. inbred) to exist.

Sorry to burst your bubble but this is a complete fallacy. A half breed does not a more intelligent, healthier dog make. Thats just an outrageous claim to make by someone with little or no education on the matter. Conversely, the opposite isn't true either. The offsppring is always the genetic sum total of the two parents. Start with two smart dogs, your likely to get a smart dog. Start with two dogs with a reccesive gene for a genetic defect, your chances of having a pup with tat defect increase ten fold, be the parents from the same breed or from two different breeds.

This is the argument to be made for the responsible breeder and against the backyard breeder with not enough resources or intentions on breeding good sound pups and bettering the breed. The majority of your doodles come from backyard breeders and puppy mills that are only breeding for profit.

" A mixed breed is more genetically diverse, generally healthier than a purebreed which in effect is inbred with a limited gene pool, resulting in many medical issues many times."


And your proof is? Or are you just making a generalized statement? I'm asking because I want to know what proof there is that a mixed breed dog does not inherit the genetic code from either of it's parents and thus the pedigree behind each of said parents. Science doesn't change because you bred a poodle to a lab. If that poodle has the genetics behind it for say bad eyes and the lab has the genetics behind it for bad hips, chances are that some of the puppies they birth are going to have those tendendacies too. Common sense people.
As for the inbred gene pool vs. medical issues perhaps you should ASK that purebred lab breeder exactly how much money was spent on OFA's for both parents. You just might be shocked to learn that breeders really do care and spend the money to ensure that they are making choices to help eliminate those many medical issues. Or even better ..... go have OFA's done on your lab before you decide to make more doodles. You'd be doing everyone a great service by doing that.

The facts..."doodles are nothing more than mutts marketed well."

If you've purchased a $500 "doodle"...congrats! You are now a member of the duped public.

FACT...just as a genetic hodge-podge can create an alleged hypo-allergenic dog, it can too have the opposite effect. There is NO WAY to control how the genes work out. You can just as easily have a dog that sheds heavily.

FACT..."hybrid-vigor" is another marketing tool used to fool the suckers (PT Barnum would be proud). You are creating a ticking time-bomb, combining poor genes with coat and eye problems (Poodles) with terriers (temperment problems); Cockers (extreme eye and coat issues), etc., etc. I'd suggest doing some actual research on canine health and structure...

http://www.offa.org/

http://www.vmdb.org/cerf.html

As someone who shows dogs, doodles drive me nuts. I love showing and decided long ago I could NEVER breed. Firstly because I could never afford it, yes responsible breeders spend a ton on a litter and second because no one would ever be good enough to own my dogs. The biggest myth involved with these dogs is "hybrid-vigor" and it drives me nuts. yes hybrid-vigor is real but it involves the genetic pooling of 2 different species. breed a dog and a cat and you may get hybrid vigor but breed a dog to a dog and you just get another dog people. Secondly these dogs will NEVER be a recognized breed becouse they don't breed true you must have a lab and a poodle to make a labradoodle and even then some have lab coats and some have poodle coats. Does anyone realise that the Australian guide dog program that started these crosses has abandoned the breeding lines as a failure? And dont start griping at me that I am some kind of elitest pure bred freak, my best dog right now is a mastiff/shepherd cross that i rescued from the spca. fantastic temperment, the easiest dog i ever trained and also the unhealthiest dog I have ever owned. I have spent thousands on this dog with hip dysplasia, severe allergies, eye and dental problems and digestion issues, do i love him? yes. would i recommend repeating the breeding just cause his personality rocks? NO

thanks a lot for the info was looking for something like this..
simulation assurance vie

this is an interesting discussion. thank you for sharing

fiscalite assurance vie