This is Nichols/Wheeler episode.





Edited to show episode sequence and air date.

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I so can not wait for this episode, it's gonna be awesome!!!!!!!!

And we have to wait TWO weeks?! Now, back in November when USA postponed the premiere a mere 9 days before it was to air, didn't they tell us that one of the reasons they postponed it was because the episodes were so "strong" that they felt they would be better served to show them without interruption?

Man, I can't believe they are making us wait TWO weeks!!!! Oh and thanks for telling me that I didn't know thats why they postponed it in Nov. I guess I'll just watch the preview again and again and again.

I just saw the real promo for the show. It looks so cool. I wish It was next week already.

And did I see a brief shot of him in a bullet proof vest? ::giggles::

You're making me blush. Now I really can't wait!!!!

Info from The Reel site an all day C.I. marathon on the 24th, guess that is why the show ''Astoria Helen" will air on the 31st.

Dear Cat Lady, Thanks for the heads up on the Sunday marathon. A great way to celebrate Memorial Day. We strike our community theatre production Saturday night, and a day with our CI detectives is perfect post-strike excitement! Thanks again, Madelow.

I noticed that too Cia. I mean if a reason to postpone it was to have all the episodes air right in a row why interrupt it?? Doesnt that just contradict the reason it was postponed?? This bugs me... ~moark~

Only 6 days to go!

6 days ....... Well its closer than it was

Just HAD to bump this up, cuz the epi airs TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!!

YAY!!!!!!!

::ciaddict plops on couch with tacos and cheesecake::

I'm ready!

Yay! *joins ciaddict on couch* how can we forgot the drinks?? *grabs chocolate milk from fridge* you guys want something to drinks? *head in fridge*

45 minutes to go!

YAY!! *gets VCR ready and plops on couch*

Wait, I'm confused by all the excitement. Is this a G/E episode?

No...sorry, didn't mean to give you false hope. I get excited about Nichols/Wheeler, too. Tacos and cheesecake excited.

Hey, is that girl in the beginning Gina from Stress Position? Could that be Logan's son?

Nichols and Wheeler are more fun to watch with every episode. If that ugly rumor that there were problems with their episodes was true, then they obviously fixed whatever the problem was because they are smokin' now.

Am I the only one watching tonight? What am I going to do with all these tacos and all this cheesecake?

Or...am I the only one liking the episode?

I watched it. I thought this episode was very cute: mostly because of the detectives interactions. I give it a 10/10 or five stars. Very well done.

You know I watched it oh and I took a few tacos and 2 pieces of cheesecake. Man this is my fav episode, I have to say this, Jeff looked smokin hot tonight well thats my opinion.... I thought that trough out the whole episode.

Yes, he was hot tonight...especially that bullet-proof vest.

Enjoy the tacos and cheesecake!

When that guy in interrogation jumped off his chair toward Wheeler, Zach was so protective of her. Very cute. He's getting to like her.

Only problem I didn't have was the way he was very flat confronting the hostage taker (Phil?) as a hostage. I told my mom "Goren would be more persuasive and involved" and she agreed. Maybe it's a difference in their acting technique, and I gotta say VDO is way better with his "scene chewing" (their words not mine ) then Goldblum at making a character seem to give a damn. I still like Goldblum and Nichols, but that threw me off.

I'll give it a B.

I diid notice that the actress that played Helen was on one of Logan's first episodes. She played his girlfriend, the prison guard nurse.

How funny would that be if it was Logan's son. But someone above mentioed it, her name was Gina.

Yes very very hot in the bullet-proof vest. Oh thanks for the tacos and cheesecake!

How about the previews for next weeks Goren/Eames episode! I gasped and both my husband and son said "Oh No" at the same time. NOT A GOOD LOOK!!!

This episode gave me a great idea. *evil snicker*

Goren pretty much looks like he did last episode. I can't say I like the look, but my love for Bobby Goren knows no bounds. My love for VDO however . . .

I totally agree. I will love him however he looks. I am just happy there are still new episodes to watch.

I just think that's Nichols. He has a more....academic approach. That's not the right word. More....I'm not coming up the word. It's like he's a scientist observing subjects. Distant...that'll do. I've noticed it in all his episodes. He is distant in his approach. He doesn't express empathy with either victims or suspects. He has the knowledge of how their brains work and delivers the information in a more clinical way. Where Goren has the knowledge and he gets into their head with them. Does that make sense?





I'm a fan of that look...makes me want to take him home and take care of him. Looks like a good episode.

Was this episode aired out of sequence? Not a word was mentioned about her pregnancy. No real attempt to cover her up.

The weather looked nicer.

Yet it is supposed to take place in December. It's 6 months since the robbery, which happened in June. They were wearing coats, but it didn't look all that cold.

Maybe they lied.......

Sorry, I didn't love this episode. I liked the previous W/N epis better. Could be I was just cranky tonight. I don't know. That business with the nesting dolls, the priest all seemed too forced and contrived to me.

I liked the line: "That's the $64,000 question...in this economy that's about $10,000." *snort*

I loved the flirting between Nichols and that CSU tech....although I couldn't follow the "spaghetti" discussion. I especially loved Wheeler interrogating Helen...very cool...very "bad cop". And someone mentioned that she did the "Goren lean"! I didn't really follow the nesting dolls and priest line of thinking. But they kept me guessing. I thought Strupp (?) was involved, but then he seemed too obvious, then he had an alibi, then he didn't....very nice. I thought the beginning, with the interaction between Helen and Whatshisname was moving. In just a few minutes they made me care about Helen and her lonliness and her desire to find the "right guy". And I continued to care about her throughout....happy to find out she wasn't directly involved with the robbery, although she withheld important information. Arija Bareikis is a good actress. She was Gina, Logan's prison nurse girlfriend in Stress Position. She was also in a movie with CN called Frame of Mind (although I don't think they even had any scenes together). And now she is in Southland. I've only seen it once, but I recognized her right away.

I think this might be my favorite N/W episode so far....tough call because I really liked In Treatment. But I think I like the crime story in this one better. Yeah, this is my favorite. Although the whole "trying to get Wheeler to say she's pregnant" bit in In Treatment was hilarious.

This was a fun episode! Love love Nichols! I wondered myself what in the world "astoria" means noticing Helen will refer to a character in this episode; i realized it was a city's name in Oregon. Other than that, the episode was good and seem the trust between Nichols and Wheeler is growing.

I noticed when I watched the episode, it's eeirly familiar to season 3's "Pas De Deux". The plot may seem different, but the idea is seemingly identical a con man/robber tricks a woman to fall in love with him and blows up his bank robbing partner.

I also loved the promo for next week's G/E episode. For this episode, I'll give it a 9.5/10.

I think it is interesting to compare the two characters. I'm slowly starting to warm up to Zach. His mannerisms seemed a little forced to me the first couple of W/N episodes. I hope the show (and him) get another year for him to fully grow into his character.
The two men are both wounded in some way. We know quite a bit now about Bobby, and his father (who turned out not to be) and his schizophrenic mother and his drug-addicted brother. Zach had parents who were shrinks, right? Well, that right there might made you a little wacky. And he was away from the job for a while. I suspect there are other backstory issues for Zach, though they may only be hinted at and not dwelled on (like's Bobby's were in the beginning of the show).
I agree that Bobby seems warmer, most empathetic to the people he's interviewing - even if he's trapping them into revealing their crimes. He has a way of getting into people's heads and knowing them. Declan did teach him some things. Do you remember the crazy radio woman? She said something to the effect that she knew Bobby cared about her. Bobby said (quote maybe not exact): I didn't mean for you to see that. Bobby has a big heart and he's usually afraid to give it away. It's also true that he had this vast fund of knowledge. So when Bobby solves a case, it's usually because he knows the person or knows an arcane fact. But, I can believe that he knows these things because I know him - in that fictional kind of way. That makes the stories make sense to me.
So far, I've felt more like Zach just makes these big leaps - because he's psychic-like. I call it "The Deanna Troi plot device." You know: "I sense that they're going to attack, Captain." Maybe, I'll get to know Zach and understand how his brain works and it will all make sense to me. He's a very talented actor and it must be hard to come into an established show and make this guy Zach come to life. Hope I have a chance to watch them a few more years.

Hmmmm...does anyone know if the W/N episodes like the G/E episodes are being shown out of order? What LillyHobbs says about Nichols mannerisms seeming a little forced in the first couple of episodes makes me realize that is a big part of the reason that I didn't care too much for this episode. Sorry I am not a hater. I like JG and I really did like him in the other episodes especially "In Treatment" but I just wasn't feeling Nichols in this episode. Wheeler's interegation scene with Logan's old girlfriend was good. I think the things Wheeler was saying to Helen hit very close to home for her.

Anyone know why the name "Astoria" was in there? I know it's the name of a place in New York, but according to the show, Helen was not living in that part of New York. Any ideas?

I think we will get information on Nichols a little faster than we got it about Goren in those first few years. We already know that his parents are psychiatrists, he quit the NYPD after 9/11, he was Ross' partner prior to quitting, he has "issues with authority", he started medical school to become a psychiatrist then quit to become a cop, he has "daddy issues", he hasn't seen his father in "a couple of decades" even though he lives in NY, his parents served discussions psychiatric disorders "with his Corn Flakes", he was praised a lot as a child which led to him thinking too highly of himself (LOVED that little discussion with Wheeler!).



I am guessing this was shown out of order just because Wheeler looked "less pregnant" than in the last episode.




I've been wondering about the Astoria connection, too. I've got no ideas.

I liked the story in this episode the best of the N/W's so far. It kept me guessing, and I thought the characters were more compelling than in "Rock Star" and "In Treatment". I do agree, however, agree with the observations that Nichols' mannerisms seem a bit forced. I think Goldblum is playing him purposefully as very cerebral and a bit mysterious, but for me somehow it's coming across as very flat and unemotional. I guess it takes a while for an actor to get the right spin on his/her character.

I noticed Wheeler doing the "Goren Lean" immediately last night! I said to my hubby..."Look, she's doing 'the lean'." Very cool. I liked that she was really "feeling" the interrogation. It was nice to see her so animated. I have never quite warmed up to Wheeler ( I really liked Barek) but she's beginning to grow on me, and 'the lean' definitely helped.

I thought this was the best Nichols/Wheeler episode so far. But... just a few odd thoughts...

Early in the episode, when Nichols finished Ross' sentence and Ross joked about it - I thought "oh yeah, if Goren did that..." and then he went on to joke about it with Wheeler too. Has anyone else noticed that Ross is written "lighter" in the Nichols episodes? I understand they have history. But it doesn't just happen with Nichols, he's much "lighter" with Wheeler now. He wasn't that way when she was teamed with Logan, even though he's considered her 'rabbi'.... I've heard of good cop/bad cop but come on.... It makes me wonder if it's intentional to keep half the show in line with USA's flip, lighter "Characters Welcome" theme. Or is it just the style of the new writing team?

And the ending.... a happy ending??? On LOCI????? There's no happy endings in CI. There's justice that's often sad but grounded in morality or ethic, but not happy endings. I think I'm disturbed by the happy ending - more than I ever was about the personal drama of the last couple of seasons.

Well, that is more information than I realized when you lay it all out like that. I'm wondering: (1) how old do you think Zach's supposed to be? 40's, late 40's, Ross's age? (2) If he's in his 40's, maybe he and his father had a falling out over him leaving medical school 20 years ago.
I took that comment about "thinking too highly about himself" with a grain of salt. Yeah, he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. And he may be, except for Bobby. But, the man has some serious issues.
And is he trying to put the make on Wheeler?!

I'm not sure how old he is supposed to be, but your theory makes sense. I didn't notice anything that made me think he was putting the make on Wheeler. But I couldn't figure out what was up with that CSU tech....she was definitely flirting with him, and I thought he was flirting with her. But I didn't get the whole "spaghetti" thing.

OK, I'm watching it again right now and was reminded of something that bothered me last night but I keep forgetting it. Joe accessed the armored truck routes from Helen's HOME computer? They let her have access to that kind of information on her home computer...without even a password? OK, maybe he figured out her password. But it seems like information THAT sensitive would not be so easy for any guy she picks up in a bar to access.

I don't think he was flirting with her but I think she was definitely flirting with him. About Joe getting the password maybe she had it on the computer and was already signed in.

I fell asleep! Driving back 12 hour's was all I could take! Thank goodness we're flying down the 4th of July!!I didn't even record it, I'm bad!