Eames used to be proud of Bobby's insights. You could see it when Bobby would dazzle Deakins with his insights. It was a certain look she gave Deakins. I don't know whether it's because of the new captain, or their fighting, but she's just not taht way about him anymore. What happened?

It seem like he hasn't recently been full of quirky insights. He doesn't really talk about anything he reads anymore. There are no references to art, world history, chemistry, literature. He's been more like a regular cop. An incredibly depressed regular cop. Poor guy. He needs to go back to obscure references. It's part of what makes him him.

Now, let's think back what has happened to Bobby. His mother was dying of cancer, whom had an affair with a serial killer, his brother has been a drug addict for most of his life, and then Bobby finds out he has a nephew he never knew about. Then, his mom admits to Bobby that she never really was sure between the 2 men as of which one was his biological father. Then Frank comes to him for help about the nephew he never knew existed. He tries to help, gets purgatory for 6 months, no pay. Then returns to work, finding his worse nemisis ever killed his brother and maybe even his nephew. He has DNA ran to see if Brady was his father, which he was, unfortunately. Also there's Declan, whom Bobby felt was his mentor, that ended up in his words, "Trying to set him free"? Plus you're right, a new Captain that isn't as sure of Bobby as Deakin's was. Bobby has struggled with his mind, was it them or him? Did he do everything he could for all of them, did they know he tried, or does Bobby think he tried? I think all of this has crossed his mind, it would mine. I'm hoping and almost bet, things are gonna be different next season. I, myself, think it's touching and excellent acting to see Bobby cry, get angry, throw things and let it be! Guess we'll have to wait. I'd be more than glad to guest star as a girfriend! LOL!

Couldn't have answered it better myself. Seems someone watches the show as much as I do


I don't think Pride was an emotion that Eames ever had for Goren.





pride

1. A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association: parental pride.
3. Arrogant or disdainful conduct or treatment; haughtiness.
4. 1. A cause or source of pleasure or satisfaction; the best of a group or class: These soldiers were their country's pride.
   2. The most successful or thriving condition; prime: the pride of youth.
5. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.
6. Mettle or spirit in horses.
7. A company of lions. See Synonyms at flock¹.
8. A flamboyant or impressive group: a pride of acrobats.

I think she felt Respectfull of his methods, where as others didn't ( they were both, mutally respectful)

re·spect

1. To feel or show deferential regard for; esteem.
2. To avoid violation of or interference with: respect the speed limit.
3. To relate or refer to; concern.

n.

1. A feeling of appreciative, often deferential regard; esteem. See Synonyms at regard.
2. The state of being regarded with honor or esteem.
3. Willingness to show consideration or appreciation.
4. respects</FONT> Polite expressions of consideration or deference: pay one's respects.
5. A particular aspect, feature, or detail: In many respects this is an important decision.
6. Usage Problem Relation; reference. See Usage Note at regard.

I agree completely krodgers. Although I do hope this season they start to bring back just a little bit of the old Bobby, I miss his weirdness. I mean who else can solve a crime by using something he read about ancient Eygpt?
As for the girlfriend job, you might have to stand in line, you'll have alot of compeition for that one.

And don't forget TRUST!

What a great new thread!!! So deep.

I think Eames has given up on Bobby. She had wanted so badly for Bobby to let her in. She knows it is not going to happen.

1. Pride. I do think there is pride involved. She shoud be proud of the cases that they have solved together.
2. Respect. On occasion, he has shown her very little respect. Yelling "back off". I do think he is thinking only of himself and not of "them".
3. Trust. I think he can totally trust her, but I don't think she can totally trust him. He has hurt her reputation.

And finally, bring a shipper, I think she has given up on believing that they will ever be anything more than working partners. So sad.

I have to disagree with Trust, I think they both trust each other or they wouldn't work together. I do think he respects her, I think the back off wasn't lack of respect, he was hurt and lashing out. I respect my husband but many times, I have to tell him to back off, when I am depressed or hurting, but need to handle it on my own. I totally understood where he was coming from, Eames was hurt, but she eventually got over it and understood. But if Goren would have let her into his life's turmols she would have understood better. But Goren is the lone wolf, he won't let anyone in. I took Unsteady's pride to mean she put Goren on a pedalstal, and I never saw that EAmes' doesn't stand back and look at a job well done and beam with pride "Goren did a great Job!" She takes Pride inherself and them as a team equally. She isn't the water carrier.

great post, KRod.....after reading the list above, makes you wonder just how much can someone have dumped on himself without going berserk.



I got 1st dibs on the bedmate job! Did I just say that out loud??

First dibs to us lunatic spinsters who are in greater... ah... need than you are... LOL

As for Eames being less "proud" of Bobby... I think that has more to do with where she is in her life than with Bobby's brilliance or lack thereof. He's depressed and she knows that, but so is she. She never really got over giving up the nephew she gave birth to, then all that old stuff got dredged up when they reopened her husband's murder. I think she's feeling like... is this all I am ever going to have in my life? This job? This partner who will never really let me close to him, no love of my own, no family, not even a superstar carreer. I think she's feeling a little empty and dissappointed with her life. I don't think she blames Bobby for any of it, but I think she's not in a place to... feel grateful for her unique life and partnership. She's doing her job because she's good at it and prides herself on being a professional, and she's sticking by her partner because she's as loyal as they come. She's just not very happy right now.

J:
Of course, I disagree. It's not a pedestalling pride, but a pride of association as he shows characters with preconceptions how they are wrong. Eames is cynical, but she's nowhere near as deeply insulting as Bobby can be with a smile on his face.

Respect.
Bobby needs a little space. That he went so far as to yell "Back off!" indicates to some degree a failure to read him by Eames. What? She shouldn't have to? Handling Bobby is her primary function.

krod & VDObessed, I agree with both of you! (The line is getting very long, though!)


OT: VDObessed, when you said, "who else can solve a crime by using something he read about ancient Eygpt?" Well, you know I LOVE Bobby, but there is someone else... Dr. Jacob Hood on Eleventh Hour (Thursdays @ 10 PM EST on CBS.) He is quite a walking encyclopedia! (And cute, too!) (He reminds me of Goren!)

Okay, back on topic... Anyway... Of course Eames is happy when cases get solved. I know Bobby usually figures it out, but they are a TEAM, and they work well together. They just had a rough patch they went through, but they'll be fine... I can't wait until USANetwork decides to air the new episodes! I can't take it anymore!!!!!

great thread

Amen! Oops, I mean WORD!

Oh, uh....Bobby's bedmate isn't the topic? OK, OK, OK! Well, I agree with the rest of PFC's post too.

Well said

Agree with it all. Plus there was the torture he went through in Tates. That had to have an effect on him and take something out of him.

Yes, but I think after everything is said and done, Eames still respects him in the morning as a police officer and a Partner,

NoShipping involved!

I disagree with the statement that Bobby has hurt her career. She got a single black mark in her jacket because of him? I don't think that's going to ruin her career. Look at all the great insights he's had throughout their partnership that has solved cases, made them the best team. If anything she should be proud of their partnership, for both of them.

And I think he respects her completely. Telling her to back off is not disrespectful. He needed some space. I think he has shown her more consideration than a lot of men do. He always insists that suspects answer her questions and demands others treat her respectfully, as in Amends when the property clerk treated her rudely. After Bobby got in the guy's face the guy was a lot more respectful. I think Bobby cares alot for her, and respects her very much.

Remember she chose to help him, she could have said No.

Exactly! That is what I have said all along!

Can I first say... I love this topic! I miss the friendly chemestry and banter Eames
and Goren used to have. I feel like the both of them have been through so much
that their friendship and working enviorment has changed. In the beginning Goren wowed
Eames with his mind. I do believe she respected him and was proud of the work they did
together. She always made him laugh with her snarky comments.Those are the things I hope
the new season has.

If I can express one feeling is it that Goren and Eames are a perfect team!!

Well said, pfchristine.
BTW, this is great topic. Something new to chew over

Remember Bobby said they, he and Alex, compliment each other as well.No chemistry except good friendship,jmo.

Hey!! I have my needs too, and I need Bobby to take care of them!! LOL
And as far as the "lunatic spinsters"......come with me the next time my BFF has one of those parties, you'll have a blast.

Anyway, great post, ITA with ya, excepting of course re: lunatic spinsters.......

He totally responded in the way he should have. But I think that, more than anything, explains why he hasn't been his usual crazy in a GOOD way self.

Well Great minds do think alike! But wait your a shipper aren't you?, never mind.

Yes, great minds do think alike! And, NO, I am not a shipper!! I am about as far removed from a shipper as you can get.

Oh well then you are a great mind! lol.


While taping Purgatory, Eames still has a lot of Great Respect for her partner, when told she would have a temp partner, she responds, "Till Goren gets back" so she still wants to work with him. Then when asked by this new partner about Goren's actions, she defends him, saying he didn't snap, and he went against procedure cause he had his reason. So I don't think she thinks any less of him as a cop or a person.

Good point, JRyan. I always felt that outburst she had in Purgatory was not really about repressed anger at him, but more about her fear and the adrenaline still rushing through her at finding herself and her partner pointing guns at each other. There might have been a small part of her that felt other people saw her as his water carrier, but things like that tend to get blown WAY out of proportion when emotions run high. That's why I thought it made perfect sense that we never saw this "heart to heart talk" between them to clear the air. It seemed very real to me they way the writers handled it. We saw her at the beginning of Betrayed still ticked off and giving him the cold shoulder, saw him make that sweet and lame attempt to reach out to her ("You're exactly right, Eames"), and then Eames warming up to him as they got involved in the investigation. That scene with the store owner was Goren and Eames at their best, completely in sync. And then, of course, they gave us Vanishing Act and we got to see them having fun and laughing for the first time in a LONG time.

There relationship, really reminds me of brothers and sisters, Like my son and daughter, My son would pick on his sister and give her a hard time, but watch out if anyone else tried to do the same thing.

I think Eames was just pissed off in Purgatory, because he kept a huge secret from her, and he's her partner, not lover, imo.

speaking of lovers, I heard some people got "Twilight's" logo tatooed on their buttocks, the new movie that is coming out about Vampires. I thought would I get LOCI tatooed on my butt? or any show, I don't think so, then I thought would I get VDO tattoed on my butt? Nah, then maybe his signature, but only if he was signing it!

Frankly, LOCI makes more since than Twilight, IMO.

I don't think pride is the right emotion we are looking for. Let me get out my most important investagative tool, the dictionary. Ah, there it is trust and another one respect, I think Goren and Eames have a mutual trust and respect for each other. The last few episodes were not condusive to the crime fighting investagation we are used to from our #1 crime fighting team. It was more of a personal nature, thus the emotions would range way different and deeper. We are very lucky to have been treated to such fine acting skills and emotions. No other series can grab me the way our show does. Eames is more straightforward with Goren in her feelings but I think Goren trust and respects Eames but can only show it in inuendo statements throughout the series. It must be a man thing. Eames was right. Goren is an acquired taste. Just a nibble into his insights and you want more. We have acquired that taste.

Jryan, Signed autograph on the butt is to funny. I was thinking of getting " We love you Ollie " on my chest like in the movie Godd Luck but I didn't want to get ink on my Knees. HaHaHa.

Vampires can't get tattoos, can they? I'm not calling you a vampire, J, it's just a wonder. If some ultra-goth was trying to represent it's vampirishness by getting a tattoo, wouldn't it reek of inauthenticity? Aren't they supposed to always revert to something like the condition they were in when they were made? Or is my sense of the vampire old-fashioned?

I think I said something like that, but yours sounds better.

Well guys, I'm still proud of Bobby! He will be my next husband in my next life! LOL!!!

Nah my next life I want to come back as a fly. Short life, short memory, no bills, no worries. And splat, its over. Then my third life. I want to be a billionaire, but by then, money won't mean a thing, that is how my luck goes, also I want to be the most beautiful woman in the world, but ugly will be the "in thing". That will be my luck.

Hi everyone,

Well totally agree on this one, began to notice this recently. seems like in the older episodes , bobby we loved his little weirdness to himl\

Seems like that is lacking just a little, don't get me wrong, love him and the show, and would not trade it for anything, still just as a fan as the first day I saw bobby. But they need to give hime more to work with.


but there is hope, hey we have january coming up. right?

Can;t wait,wish it was here.
well have a good one all of you

marie

Hey this line is getting quite long, as they do at some stores, " Lets all take a number, and no fights will occur.

Bedmate, like that idea.

have a great day, everyone

Can I ask, did he really do that? I don't remember.

Do you mean knowing about ancient Egypt? Probably not that exactly....
What I meant was ... Dr. Hood and Bobby Goren both know a lot of details about a lot of things that the average person doesn't know...