Great insight... I think that you really hit some things head on here... There does seem to be a need that the two share for each other that can even be traced back to Season 3 when Eames had her nephew, and their connection is just so strong that they just have to get it all out in the open.
The thing is, we all know how much Goren depends on Eames to keep him grounded, to keep him in the real world after he gets in the criminal mind. I think that this episode could really show how and why Eames needs Goren, if she can be without him and how she feels. I think it will put a lot of things to bed, maybe the Goren/Eames shippers will finally get something and maybe the non Goren/Eames shippers will get something...
As long as they don't hang us out to dry like they have in the previous seasons, I will be perfectly content.

Bumping this and another Thread about Folie a Deux (an upcoming Season 8 episode) from Page 3. We already have "at least" 2 Threads for this title; please don't start any more. (Can those who started these two Threads, please edit the Episode Numbers and Airing Dates as needed to make them accurate.) Thanks, Everyone.

Bumping this and another Thread about Folie a Deux (an upcoming Season 8 episode) from Page 3. We already have "at least" 2 Threads for this title; please don't start any more. (Can those who started these two Threads, please edit the Episode Numbers and Airing Dates as needed to make them accurate.) Thanks, Everyone.

This is why it would be nice to have a subforum for episode threads.

i can't find this being discussed anywhere else ... is it okay to use this thread?

Sure, it's OK to use this thread. This episode hasn't aired yet, though. And since they are showing them out of order, I don't know where this one is going to be in the lineup. It looks like it was supposed to be the 3rd episode. Is this the one for next week? I'll have to check it out.

Oh it looks like this is the one for next week! Yay! So are we going to get to see Eames' sister? And find out her nephew's name?! Although if it's anything besides Nate or Nathaniel, there may be the sound of thousands of fanfic writers rending their garments!

I named him Jimmy. xD.

There's a short episode preview up on USA website and a little scene of about 1.30mins after the commercial!!!
Goren seems to be very in charge, focussed and organised in the scene shown!
I LIKE IT

Its presumed that Eames' gets reaquainted with her sister, but I never knew them to be estranged. Did anyone else? I always thought Eames was very close with her nephew, and therefore her sister. Also, being that she did have a baby for her. I can understand some of the difficulties Eames probably has had with her emotions, but I didn't believe there to be a riff between her and Liz.

Can't wait for Bobby to locate that missing shaver. Maybe Molly could write him another letter asking him when he will shave next.

looking forward to this one. more Eames backstory, please.

i thought the 'reacquainted' thing was really sinister! i got a shiver.

Not long now!!! Has everyone figured out the "ripped from the headlines" story this is based upon?

I think its supposed to be like the family from England...can't remember their names.

I always thought Eames visited her nephew a lot, but apparently not, according to the 'reaquainted with her sister' part of the episode synopsis....



I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!

I'm more concerned about where the missing advertisement is! I would think this show would have gotten advertisement, if only because of Lynn Redgrave. I guess not. It seems like there was PLENTY of previews of LAST week's show! I keep it on USA all the time and I can pretty much count the previews I've seent his week. It is sooo frustrating!

I've seen a few, not many. I've looked for them too.

"Folie a deux" means "a madness shared by two." I assume this will apply to the case, but does it also apply to Goren and Eames? Is that what the meeting with her sister is about, an intervention? I know these two are close, but what madness do they share? I've been thinking and thinking, but cannot find an answer. I wish I knew what the conversation is about.

Three more hours! I've got the tacos and cheesecake!

Woohoo!!!!! I have ice cream and hot fudge-maybe I'll add some banana for nutritional purposes.

I did see an ad for this episode while watching the premiere of "Royal Pains" (Decent show BTW. My husband and I both enjoyed it.)

I just have to say, after spending an extremely wonderful yet exhausting weekend in Manhattan we rushed to catch the 6:46 train so we'd gethome by 8:30 so I could be ready to watch. I missed previews this week as well, but he's acting more like the Bobby we all love. I do love the curls although he could use a shave, but I'll take him with or without it. My best friend and daughter would testify that all day today I was extremely annoying making sure we were home in time--not to mention commenting on every street we walked and how much they reminded me of one episode or another. I needed my fix really bad. I'm starting to relax now.

Geez, VDO looked half asleep when he was questioning the divorced father. I miss our old VDO. Poor guy. Poor Bobby!

What do you do when you want to rescue a character from his actor?

I really liked this episode and think its the best one of the season so far. I thought the plot twist was great, though I did start to figure it out, and I loved the undercover police work they did. I loved how Bobby was taking charge and giving orders. Hey Judy, what did you think of the baby's name being "Emma"? I think they took that one from you! However, what happened to Eames seeing her sister? Wasn't that supposed to be this one? I thought maybe at the end she would go see her nephew because of how the case obviously affected her and it was only Bobby at the ME's in the end. I totally cracked up at Bobby's mysterious beard and hair style. In one day, he got a haircut and shaved, just for it to grow right back the same day and then disappear again. Why did the editors do that? I was cracking up!

Very interesting episode. However.......



Everyone, please use spoiler features until the west coast has seen the episode, ok?

I'm disappointed too, DonnaJo.

However, I LOVED this episode. I had it figured out, but not the details or reason. Very interesting and "twisty". And the closeup of VDO at the end.....That shot of Bobby is destined to become avatars, signatures, wallpapers, etc. Beautiful!

what is going on with bobby beard? it was full then he had stubble. then beard then at the end a stubble? that a mystery.

What a dumb episode. Such an insult to loyal viewers.


No chemistry between Bobby and Eames. Loved the scenes with HER running and HER in the lead. Whoever said anything about the nephew? There was never any personal interaction between them at all.

Same old, same old, on the clothes. He might have had a two outfit rotation. Her in her usual leather jacket.

But as mentioned above, the best was the changing hair and beard, and thankfully weight. Just alone betwen 45 minutes into the show until the end, the beard, hair, and weight changed each time Bobby appeared.

Scene with the capt; Clean shaven, short hair, thinned down,
Followed by aria scene; full hair, full beard, full everything.
End scene with Rogers; shortish hair, scruff.

Piss poor job of editing. WTF!

I want my show and my Bobby back!

first off .. vince looked sooooooo good .. anyways .. i loved this episode even the hubby sat down and watched it .. i did however figure it out pretty quick ......... one thing though was the husband sleeping with the friend did i see that correctly

Yeah...I didn't see that coming.



Oh, and I didn't notice the changing hair/beard/weight. I'll have to watch for it in future viewings...of which there will be MANY.

Not my favorite CI episode ever but I'll watch it a few more times to be sure. I didn't even notice Goren's changing hair and beard. duh.

You really are Bobby-Alex shipper, aren't you?

I also thought

It was intriguing though.

I only caught the last half hour of LOCI tonight, but I set up the VCR to record JUST IN CASE I wasn't back in time... I'll rewind it and watch it now...

... But that last scene w/ Bobby saying that the guy couldn't even write an original poem "for his own daughter" and then that look that Bobby gave... SO HEARTBREAKING! (I wonder if he's thinking of Molly at that moment?)

Well, I don't know anything about film making and editing, but I don't see that there was much they could do about the changing hair/beard/weight. We know that they are showing these in a different order than they were originally filmed and probably have to shoot additional scenes to try to get some semblance of order. If his hair/beard/weight changed significantly since it was originally shot, no amount of editing can change that. All they can do is work with what they have.

Same thing with Wheeler's changing belly. She was obviously "more pregnant" in In Treatment than in Astoria Helen.

Forgot to add...whatever their reasons for changing the order of shows, unless they go back and reshoot entire episodes, I think we will just be stuck with these inconsistencies.

That was a good scene.

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I loved the show.

Bobby and Eams are THE BEST !!!!!!

I gave up the "TONYS" for them. That's big.

Who was the actress who played the missing baby's mother? She was very good.

I'm not around here much but I love Bobby, I like Alex a lot, and I'm fine with everybody else. I've been looking forward to this episode because of the possible family interaction for Alex (? what happened) and because I thought the "two" with a shared madness might be Goren and Eames (maybe shedding light on their friendship, I hoped.) Sigh. Instead, it was the parents who (sort up) shared their madness - she thinking the baby wasn't dead and he thinking he could get away with it.
I,also, knew the baby was dead as soon as they looked in the stroller, so that disappointed me. And that that picture wasn't their kid. But, the main reason I watch is to see Bobby and Alex work the suspects. In that respect, I was very pleased with the episode.
I also liked that Bobby knew every poem and every poet that this jerk Dad was trying to pretend he knew about or had written. I love it when Bobby shows his brilliance.
You'd think I would notice the different hair and beard since he's all I see but I was clueless even though I knew this was an episode shown out of order. I guess they shot some added stuff later and that may have kicked the sister right out of the episode.

OK - it's early and my mind is as of yet unclouded by work and real life, so here's my thought on the changing VDO hair/weight situation that Cluck mentioned:

What if they filmed the scenes with Eames and her sister/brother-in-law, but for some reason were unhappy with it at the last minute and needed to 'fill' the spaces left by cutting them out. And they had VDO and Eric Bogosian film 'filler scenes' after the original ep was filmed.

That would explain the change in VDO's appearance and the reason that the Erbe scenes didn't air as we had anticipated.

And Cluck, my jaw dropped when I realized that little girl's name was Emma. And Bobby's 'niece's' name is Molly. That was just too surprising, I had chills at the thought that the writers might actually read the fanfics and give us a silent 'wave' from time to time. Even the little girl towards the end was named "Annie" which is ciaddict's character from her fic.



It's called RESEARCH, ciaddict!!

Yes, and I am a DEDICATED researcher!

All in all, I found this episode riveting. Even though I knew from spoilers posted in the fall at various sites that the baby had already died months prior, it was still chilling to see that little neighbor girl run into the room, the one from the faux family photo. Watching the plot unravel in the second half had me on the edge of my seat.

Positives - witnessing the brilliance that is Bobby Goren. Is there anything that man doesn't know? From poetry to psychology, Bobby was spot on. Also the wonderful Lynn Redgrave.

Negatives - What I didn't like was his very laid back attitude during the arrest scenes. Eames is all bad ass, gun toting, screaming out orders..Bobby is paces behind her with his gun by his side. I know oftentimes Eames leads in with her weapon up, but Goren is usually right behind her covering her. I didn't see that. The beard/no beard always bugs me. Also the lack of a Alex/sister heart to heart. I was so looking forward to it.

It was sweet how worried Bobby was when they lost communication with Alex in the subway. You could feel his heart pounding (in a nonshippy way).

Looking back on my DVR'd copy, it was very wierd for Bobby not to stand by Eames during the van scene. On the other hand, it was already surrounded by cops. Maybe he thought he would be redundant. But isn't that something that could get him in major trouble, not backing his partner? Not that Eames would ever tell.

Someone on Criminal-Intent.us said Bobby might either be going through major burnout, or be trying to avoid it. I gotta say, this looks more and more likely, since it must have been a deliberate decision to have Bobby hold back at the van scene.

I liked Bobby and Eames' teamwork at the subway too, DonnaLJo. Goren's veal said they had not chemistry in this episode, but for me it was all about what wasn't said during the subway scene. His obvious trust in her, his worry as she disappears down the subway . . . one of the best scenes of the episode.

I thought this was one of the better episodes so far this season. I saw glimmers of our old Bobby although not there yet. I didn't care for the beard. I like the scruff but the heavy beard was too much. It took me a minute to place Lynn Redgrave, like many of us she has aged but always a good performance.

IMO, I thought it too was one of the best episode's this season! Bobby, I'm getting out the beard trim tie-clip for ya!! Need's to be a close shave not a scraggly beard, although, Bobby's still the man!! I also noticed, maybe I'm being too picky, but when they caught the thief at work, it was as though Eames wasn't running fast enough or didn't point the gun straight and hold it up, almost like she wasn't in the character at that time. After that, the episode picked up and so did G&E. I don't know, did you all notice that???

I, too, thought this was a great episode. I was kept completely engrossed by the story so I didn't notice some of the details, like Goren's appearance changes, or the lack of baby in the opening scenes. I thought Lynn Redgrave was wonderful, especially when she was in the interview room with Goren and Eames, saying she had no one left after they told her that the baby had died the previous year. It was obvious that Goren and Eames could both relate. I also loved the scene with Goren staring down Redgrave's assistant and the guy said "stop that". Goren just looked utterly disgusted at him...that was a nice subtle touch. I also liked the last scene with Goren and Rodgers. There seems to be no tension left between them, and I thought they were re-bonding a little at the sadness of the case.

I started to figure things out just before they went to Connecticut, but I didn't have the right "intent" so I enjoyed the whole thing played out. My only real criticim is that the epsiode was too short. I often wish they were 90 minutes so that we could get just a little deeper into the characters. I would have loved for Lynn Redgrave to have had a little more airtime. Also, I didn't think they made me hate the father enough as I was watching. Though the mother was neglectful, he was the root cause of the child's death and the cover up, then controlling his wife with drugs. I would have liked to have seen Goren go a round with him one on one!!

Ya know, I didn't expect a child at all!! Then when she said how her feet burned on the ground, I thought, oh no, she left her baby in the car!!

The announcer did say there's a twist you will see to believe, and boy he was right on when those parents had the nerve to pass the neighbor's daughter as their own in a picture saying how cute she is. This episode echoes alot of the eariler seasons, and I love, love it!!

Can't wait for the next G/E episode, "Family Values" (originally Alpha Dog, but will take the place as the G/E season finale)

Anyway, seeing many great moments from this episode and how Goren corrected that father saying it was actually Homeric Greek was so classic Goren always correcting the suspects' misunderstandings. Lynn Redgrave was fantastic! (Note: R.I.P Natasha Richardson, niece of Lynn)

Someone said eariler who played the mother, and when I saw her face couple of times. She seems to be that actress, who played that nanny along with her sister killed a rich man's children, in season 2 episode Tomorrow.

Me, too! I thought maybe she had a miscarriage or just really wanted to be pregnant and never was, but was delusional about actually having the baby. When she that about her feet, though, that's when it fell into place.

Piper Perabo (sp?) played the mother. She's been in many films.
I enjoyed Goren corrections-classic flashes there. I knew from the beginning and from spoilers that there was no child in that carriage. The one thing that caught me off guard was the husband sleeping with the friend. My feeling was that while the mother is mentally ill, the husband was not. He was manipulative and domineering. She was obviously overwhelmed with jealousy and feeling abandoned by her search for her husband while he was sleeping with other women. A tragedy that could've been avoided with the baby dying-broke my heart.
Lynn Redgrave was absolutely wonderful. She certainly has aged gracefully. I wish she had more screen time. Eames and Goren did a good job. I did miss the supposed conversation between she and her sister. I was looking forward to that but knew about 35 minutes in that it wasn't going to happen because of all the groundwork that still needed to be covered.
I really enjoyed this episode. It left me wanting more, which is always a good thing when watching a show.

The mom was played by Piper Perabo. She was in the 2 "Cheaper by the Dozen" movies.
I also caught the beard/no beard/beard thing at the end. I am very happy to see the beard go!
Scruff is OK, but a full beard hides such an awesome face! I really hope that a happier Bobby
comes back soon. The black shirt and black T must be burned and bring back the beautiful suits!

Thank-you. She was so good, I thought. Great eye-contact with Goren. Very expressive.

I had seen her on the Tony Awards a few minutes earlier or after when I switched for a couple of minutes but could not remember her name, just her first name Piper.

The show was such a great story. I never get tired of watching L&OCI. I have the first 3 seasons and watch them time and again. Usually I can not watch a show more than once but not this series.

I am a big fan of CI, my favorite episodes feature G/E with an interesting case to solve coupled with a bit of their characters thoughts, feelings, life experiences. For example, in The War at Home, the audience sees the detectives solve the murder of a police commissioner's daughter that happens over a holiday, while juggling the feelings and responsibilities they have for their own families.

Without the development of the detectives lives outside/off the job, and the impact the cases they work have on them and conversely the impact their personal lives have on the cases they are assigned- well, it just becomes another cop show. Season 8 episodes with G/E have had about 10 words of dialogue - total -that capture this idea of character development, when E is picked up by G at Staten Island terminal, and later he shows her a photo of family member.

Choosing to write episodes featuring cases that involve brothers raised by schizophernic mother and an aunt with no natural children reacting to the loss of her niece, while no relationship to the detectives involved is ever mentioned -- is odd. Season 8 episodes don't have these detectives saying anything meaningful to each other. Any actors could be could have been in this episode, just 2 hard-working, smart detectives that solved a case involving the death of a baby with a rich aunt. What a waste of VDO and KE.