The Shippers-by-age Poll made me curious about a gender break-down, so...

Cool thread, bp, even though the poll is a bit confusing :scratches head: So if there are boy shippers out there, come out and play! I'm not girly girlish but I still have that sweet spot in me that says ship.

Well as far as I know there are only three regular guys on the board,

Bubba is a non shipper
OldGoalie is a non shipper
Andy is not on a ship, but I think he is a non shipper.

So those are the three to ask.

::raises hand:: I don't understand the questions....would you explain them, please?

I didn't answer the questions because I don't get it, but Mr. Rourke and his evil twin Ricky Rourke are played by a real human man. I asked him if he thought B/A should have sex or romance, and he said he thought Eames should have sex with him. And I said, that's going to make Old Goalie mad. Then he explained that his answer to B/A shipping is no.

In Rabeka's poll there are Shippers,Non-Shippers, and On-the-Fences.

I thought,
Shippers would be at sea;
Non-Shippers would be on land;
On-the-Fences would be
where the tide meets the sand.

Is it clear-ish now?

Libel! Libel, I say!

So. Jryan. We cross swords again. I'm an "irregular" guy, eh? I suppose that could be flattery -- a reference to the Baker Street Irregulars, recently mentioned as the odd friends of Sherlock Holmes by Chimera, although that would be more obscure even than the questions on my poll -- but I don't need to be buttered up, and I doubt that was your intended meaning.

What cause have I given you to... oh... there was that Tinkerbell avatar. But I thought I explained that; over-explained. Oh well.


I jest.

sorry I thought with the Nicole reference you were female, hard to tell. Sorry I am old, hard to keep up and remember. So are you a shipper? If you are Male you didn't vote


I would guess your not a shipper since you didn't vote, right? You would only vote if your a shipper, right?

I’ve been in your shoes. You thought you asked a simple question, but here comes a complicated response:

In the post in which RabekahJr suggested this poll, she also revealed that she thought I was a girl. I found this disturbing not because of any insecure-in-my-manhood or blah-blah-blah issues but because I could imagine a series of events that could lead some person to overlay on me the popular image of a dirty old man drooling over his keyboard as he attempts to infiltrate clusters of young women on-line under some false pretense.

I considered myself to have been honorable and straightforward (despite my frequently indirect writing style), but if I didn’t address this misconception soon I could fairly be called deceptive. I hadn’t decided exactly how to go about it yet when I started the poll, but I was thinking: I would rather reveal myself than have someone who thought I was a woman look at the poll, see the only vote cast was cast by a man, and be "discovered".

That sounds a little paranoid to me, but at the time I thought I was just being cautious. My judgment can get a little questionable by 4 a.m., when I posted the poll.



The name came from Nicole’s mouth, but she was talking about Bobby’s parsnips. The name is decidedly (perhaps even offensively, to a person blinded to playful intent as they search for things to disapprove of) masculine.

Thorough Jryan, were you not one of the few who peeked at, but left no comment on, my “Sex on a Plate"?




We have only a summer between us. I was born just after the equinox following the solstice you precede. 97 days.



I proudly ship on the USS Funtasia.

But do u believe that Goren and Eames should have a relationship? Sexual or Friendship or just partnership

I wouldn't necessarily say they "should", so much as should the show run long enough they will. My position is a little complicated, which got me a berth on Funtasia. I explained it thusly on 100 Reasons:

I have enthusiasm for Nicole (of course) and Isabel (who seems to be a distant memory for most), so I'm not single-minded about my interest in Eames as a prospect for Bobby.

Just doing the Watson/Eames thing, it seems inevitable. (May I suggest inserting the word "pre-destined" into your reason list?) Rather than hotly anticipating their union, I have accepted it as a stop along the journey that has already been laid out. Then, again, sometimes I do hotly anticipate it.

If the two were to actually become a couple, it just seems common sense to separate them at work. I look forward both to their being together, and to the anxiety their being apart at work would cause Bobby. I want the best for Bobby, but I like to watch him suffer, too.

I also look forward to their togetherness being temporary, their re-union as partners, and the return of the unspoken sexual tension that I enjoy so much now.

Everyone:

I apologize for how awful this poll is. I haven't been able to cast a vote, either. Apparently, you have to answer all three questions or it won't go through, and if you answer more than one you're contradicting yourself.

Does anyone think this is a fixable thing? Or is this topic totally wasted?

::puts cap on bp and twists it backwards:: Thanks for coming aboard! You don't have to keep the cap, but each crew member get's one. And of course it's not a wasted thread, this is a shipping sub-forum anyhow. You can change or delete your poll if you edit your first post with Full-Editor. See if that works.

Also, since there are a lot more females on this board than males, I think we just assumed you were female, it wasn't anything you said or did. That confusion happens a lot here since some people don't always reveal their gender. I wasn't implying you were a girl in my post, I already knew you were male. We wouldn't have thought of that image you gave if we knew you were male anyway =P



Maybe because they would rather ship with Alex than Bobby, haha. I find it interesting that whenever I am angry at Goren or Eames for some silly reason in an episode, my shippy side tends to decrease. Since I didn't like Goren's attitude in the first couple of episodes, I didn't think they were good to ship, but I like how much he changed since then. For some reason if I'm angry with Eames, shippyness for me decreases more, strangely. I get over it quickly, though.



Togetherness temporarily? Noooo! I want them to be together forever! If they had a reason to break-up, then their relationship would be a sham...Another question I was wondering about was why you liked to see Bobby suffer? I think that, even though it is saddening to see, his suffering brings about his humbleness and true side, and makes him realize what is going outside his world because other people are affected by his pain, as well.

Personally, I would like to see more boy shippers, hehe. Anyone else

Hoss Pug definitely qualifies as an "irregular man" since he is played by a woman. However, if he counts, he is ship ship shippy to the max! He believes sex and love are linked more than the average person does.
Recently, Hossy has been posting the following pic:

Hoss says: Guess who? Woof!

Hoss is not voting, because
Not for Hoss to read:

I tried to vote and I couldn't

Maybe it's because I started watching after the show'd been going for a few seasons, but I don't like him as much with no gray hairs.



Should a romance that fails in the end have never been. It's better to have loved and lost... I imagine circumstances pulling them apart, and each of them regretting forever that they are not still together. It's tragic, but it's not a sham.

Also, I'm keeping fidelity to my line. After a few years with Holmes, Watson moves out and re-marries; Holmes, unable to deal with the stresses of city life without Watson, moves to the country to raise bees.



So... are you saying that you like to see him suffer, too?

If he didn't wear his heart on his sleeve, would feel as strongly for him as we do? Most of the protagonists we're exposed to will stagger into the rain and moan for a while if, say, their adorable child was just shot by the villain. Bobby's emotions are much more delicately wired, and we all look forward to seeing them in action, don't we?

Thanks, Rabeka.

I think I've fixed the thing, now, but I don't understand how two boys have voted, unless Hoss Pug managed to take over and did as he pleased.

Li’l Hoss, my brother:

I’m a bit of a traditionalist, and it’s been refreshing to see the correctly placed apostrophe in the abbreviation of your title. Perhaps your secretary deserves the credit?

Although I can’t make a claim to fluency in the vernacular, I supposed L’il to be a faux Frankification of The Ill. But Lil’ is beyond my understanding.

Several tears ago, Lil’ John was on the cover of Esquire (in name only) and the magazine must’ve been torn between respect of the man’s chosen spelling of his own name and some other influence and ended up leaving the apostrophe out altogether. Lil.

BP

Chimera is too little to drag the big dictionary over to the computer. She wonders if Li'l is the literary standard.




Hoss Pug to Buttered Parsnip: Howl, howl, I have no secretary, only the silver prarie moon to inform my spelling, and a waning crescent at that. Mustabin Mariah blew the apostrophe into the correct position. Like an onery nail in a rusty shoe, it may be cast off in the wrong direction next time.

Secret:

Spoiler:

Chimera, Hoss Pug's typist, can't spell either

Chimera Pug:

I looked in an Oxford and some kind of American dictionary and could find neither, but these aren’t state of the art.

I’d like to see a history of the word. My impression is that Lil the prefix, as in Lilliput, was around but Lil the word is a degeneration of Li’l.

The example made me think of Little Archie, which was around as far back as the ‘70s. Searched it, and people called it Little, Li’l, and Lil. Searched for covers, but only saw Littles, however Archie published Li’l Jinx, which makes me think it’s the way they’d go if they abbreviated.

I don’t have a vested interest in this.

&

Hoss:

I believe your typist did not misspell ornery, but combined it with onus whose first definition, according to the open book on my lap, is “a difficult or disagreeable job or task” which is how some people think of spelling. The second definition “burden of proof, is even more apt, and nicely relevant to our mutual interest.

Captain and ship-mates:

If the “Adios” in my last Frame entry raised an eyebrow or furrowed a brow, and my continuing posts seemed contradictory, please, allow your forehead to relax. The Adios was intended only for the main board, which I intended to leave earlier, at least till November, but had a loose end to tie up.

Time management issues.

BP

We understand "time management" issues around here. This board manages to take up a lot of one's time! So, if you want to take a hiatus and return when the show does, providing us all with fresh fodder, we will all understand. Many of us are only here right now b/c of fanfics or games or both. Some are not here at all right now, and won't be until November. Others have been shut out forever by the "Evil Upgrade" and will never return.....*sob*

Okay, that's enough. I need to manage my own time and go unload the diswasher.....

I've heard just snippets about the evil upgrade, spoken in hushed tones by figures huddled in the shadows. What was upgraded and how did it shut people out? Were things different in the Old Days, Flashymom?

Four

Non-shipper...

I was planning on a disparaging remark that involved comparing you to Elwood P. Dowd. But every variation I came up with made better sense when applied to Shipping than to non-Shipping. Drat! .....

(cough cough) Hossee? (cough cough) I know t'hurts t'think sometimes (cough) so you'll be wantin' t'stay 'way from the Ponderousa (cough cough cough cough). But when I see your name I can't he'p but 'member the Scandinavian who gave your ears a few good rubs and moved on. Not Ingrid Bergman. (cough) She had the big C, back when the big C was Consumption. Left your fuzzy ears for San Francisco, bright lights.(cough) Kilt herself a few years later. (cough) Don't 'spect you t' r'member. (cough cough cough) Inger Stevens?

Coincidentally: Just an hour ago I was watching a glorification-type documentary about Warner Bros. More specifically, a clip of Clint Eastwood squirting a very dark and sticky substance from his mouth to a splat on the head of a.... dog! (Outlaw Josey Wales) Can't tell you the breed, not being from Westminster. Your basic Old West dog, lean and angry.

Earlier today I accidentally logged on to the criminal-intent.us (not usa) message board. It was seriously compartmentalized. Made me think of people who want to clean up this place. Don't know why I'm writing this here.


Oh, Hoss. You have instigated a return to my rather pathetic whining of last week:
"Snips?!" Woe is me, to be known by so emasculating a moniker!

PS: happy birthday to me

I voted for "girl on a ship".

Happy birthday Parsnips!

Thanks RedTigr, you're a big help. Who'd've thought there'd be more anti-Shippers than Shippers in the Shippers Only section, or more boys than girls casting votes, as there are now? Until that's fixed, the poll will seem to lack credibility.

(Majorly tangential: I've loved incredible, meaning "great", since I heard (in a woman-on-the-street promo for our local PBS station): "I love channel 9 because they're an incredible spokesman for the community." It makes casual sense, but "in-credible spokesman"? Who wants to be that? Same thing with terrific, which should be nearly interchangeable with terrifying.)

Why are anti-Shippers here? Are they trying to talk sense into the rest of us, or do they just have disruptive urges? I'm not saying they should go away. Some of my best friends are anti-Shippers. The world is a slightly better place for having them in it. I just would like to know, why did they open this door in the first place?

I'm not going to start another poll over it.

Why not?

I'm not trying to "talk sense into" anybody, I just stated my preference.I have no disruptive urges,at least not over something like this.

I'm not sure what you mean by "opening a door",the only thing I did was click on a mouse......

Did I step in a bucket of something warm and brown and not even realize it yet?

No problem! Yeah, that's a little odd. xD I don't know why there's more Non-shippers in the "Shippers Only" sub-board. I find it kind of ironic.

However, I agree, I don't mind them being here. Just as long as everyone respects everyone else's opinions.



I believe she means it in a... metaphorical sense. Like, why do Non-shippers come to a sub-board called "Shippers Only"? Does that make sense?

Yes,if there's a poll.

True. You can't really have a meaningful poll unless both sides vote.

Well actually, it's for everyone, shippers, non-shippers and others Everyone was surprised when this sub-forum was made of why it wasn't called the Shipping Debate Forum or something similar.

Also, as Valley suggested, I think shippy comments should be kept to self on All the Reasons G/E Ship... thread, and non-shippy comments kept to self on the BA Shipper Thread, but that everybody is welcome. The discussion of it should be on To Ship or Not to Ship, just so everyone's happy, nothing against like bp stated

Elwood,

This is the third time I’ve attempted to write this note, the first two having disappeared into the ether, and my responses may be less elaborate than the originals, understandably. But how would you know? It went something like:

Hi Elwood. I like you. Please stay, and visit often.
Don’t take my recent tiff personally, it wasn’t meant to be directed anywhere near you. You will know the pedantic and guerilla types when you see them. (This part went on for several more lines.)

When you click the mouse you turn the key.

I just looked in my bucket and didn’t see a footprint.

That's true. I only said it's ironic because the sub-board is called "Shippers Only". It probably should be called something along the lines of "Shipping Debate". I wasn't here when it was created, so I went by the name.

I would think it means if you're chawing, you're swallowing. But I expect to be wrong.

When my mother was a child traveling across the country she and her sister were playing ping-pong in a saloon. The ball bounced into an unusual urn and she innocently reached in to fetch it. Someone should have stopped or warned her. Instead they just laughed. Scarred for life, she was.

No problem,nothing was taken seriously.

First off,I want to clarify that my recent absence has had nothing to do with anything from here,it was just one of those things,as it were.I know the types you're referring to,and I think I know what you were getting at.I have no feeling towards the issue either way,I was just trying to be witty.

I understand the point,though.

I like it here,and have no intention of leaving.

Everyone here is stuck with me.

Hi Elwood. Nice to hear you. It's been a little lonely; notice the previous post was 19 days before yours. And I've degenerated to mostly just responding (or not) to new topic notifications. I expect things to change once November hits.

But my time away has been majorly industrious, so I'm not complaining.

BP! I was wondering where you were :I

I used to be a BA shipper and enjoyed posting love images of Bobby and Alex on Bobby-Alex thread and on To Ship or No To Ship thread, but all of a sudden, my hopes of shipping BA has come to a halt.

Hi Rabeka.

I was talking to someone and put my foot so far into my mouth that I sprained every finger during the extrication process. I can type gingerly for brief periods almost painlessly now and expect to be healed completely before the next frustratingly short season begins. I would prefer the warm security of a full season to these half- or third-seasons they give us, it seems almost over before it has even begun.

Enaka, please tell me, what is the source of your despair? Has your Hope been slain by some personal intuition, or by something you've read? Feel free to share it if it's the first, please share it if it's the second. The only thing I've read that related to B and A's personal lives was that Eames was going to have a serious talk with her sister, which is Eames expressing something she's been holding in, which could lead to her more openly seeking support from Bobby?

The picture on your post. Is Eames wanting to make a withdrawal from a sperm bank for one of her own? Eames with a baby, to my shipping mind, is a good thing. I mean, to me, Eames being the backbone of this relationship is a major stumbling block for this ship ever setting out. And any period of time -- such as during her child's infancy -- when their roles will be reversed, and Eames can be the dependent one and Bobby can gallantly care for her, will further intimacy.

Not just because it will get him into her apartment. But that will help, too.

Hmmm. Having a baby around isn't a fairy-tale ending, but I'm sure you were expecting some sort of complications.

Aw



Well if Alex did have another baby, and it would be hers to keep, I think Bobby would show more interest, since he would probably be their for the birth and visit him or her. Through the series their parental side have come out, and Bobby obviously loves kids. Alex might think it would be a strange circumstance to have Bobby in their lives, but who knows. Remember in Faith when the "girl" asked Alex if she had kids? She looked like she was thinking about it, and it seemed like a strange thing to put in the script.

We are really jumping far into the future aren't we I wonder what would happen if Olivia decided to have a baby. If somehow Elliot and Kathy broke up, Olivia would probably lean on him for help in taking care of her baby. She did say she wanted to have a baby. I don't know about Alex, though.

Rabeka,
that sounds about right to me.

But I was getting hypothetical about Enaka's unexplained disenchantment, which is still a mystery to me, making this response uncompleteable...

Hey BP! Are you trying to turn me into a shipper?

I didn't set out to have an evangelical bent, but I'd be proud to have you as a feather in my cap.

Speaking of caps, can a person have two captains if they find themselves leaning in two directions, or is that terribly bad form? Seriously. I mean, I sure there are people who both attract and repel you, aren't there? So couldn't a person be both a shipper and a non- shipper?
A person could be both a shipper and an anti-shipper, I think. This wouldn't mean you were indecisive, just that you find something appealing about each.

As Jryan (who I shall refer to as J from now on, forever) has said many times, a shift in the Bobby/Eames relationship would unbalance the show. For a show this good, a change that drastic could hardly be for the better; but then, would it be much worse than killing off the main character's family, erasing his father-figure, and doing away with the nemesis who gave him his greatest purpose?

Oops. That wasn't the point I was trying to make. Ahem. A change that drastic could hardly be for the better, the show would become something else, which couldn't be good. So being an anti-shipper makes sense to me. But they are embattled by their own department, outsiders on the inside, with little to no support from anyone but themselves. They seem to be reaching out to each other, with no other options in sight; wanting to see them finally touch makes sense to me, too.

And then I'm pushed over the edge by the Holmes/Watson thing.

So, krodgers, have you heard the good news?

bp

What good news, bp? I see your point in your post also. KRod

"Have you heard the good news?" is a standard or cliched evangelical ice-breaking line.

I was referring back to my own first line.

I'm lost bp! Are you referring to Eames having her sister's baby in the show?

In response to the above, I tried to turn you.
As a mock evangelical, asking if I had convinced you at all, I asked, "Have you heard the good news?"
You said, "I see your point," which is a non-committal non-no, and all I really hoped for.

I just not silver-tongued enough to hope for a full conversion.

bp, G&E due indeed compliment each other, at work! I think it might make the series weird, like SVU, Elliott and Olivia. JMO, but it could almost ruin the show all together. I do want them both to find a love interest, now that would be the edge of your seat epi's, but together, I just can't see it, JMO. KRod

K

That sounds pretty reasonable. What do you think the nature of a Shipper is? Either unrealistically optimistic because they think the show will find a way to work, or self-destructive because they want it to happen even though they expect it to lead to some kind of downfall? As far as the latter goes, I think a Shipper could find justification from within the show. They might be emulating Bobby's own attraction to a woman he knows, in his heart of hearts, is bad news.

BP