Juliet, in all honesty, has ruined things. Shawn really shouldn't wait around for her b***h-ass. I am so freaking upset with her character right now. Shawn better go find that girl from the reunion. She'd be more worth his time.


I watched this after downloading it on itunes. Well, to put it bluntly, They bring in Gary Colman, and when Juliet goes up to say something to him during the hostage crisis, Shawn sees him put his hand on her back and he realizes they are seeing each other, and he explodes at Juliet. It's pretty much the most upset you'll see him. And considering Coleman is like, someone old enough to be her uncle. GROSS. I mean, at the end, Coleman has to cancel on the date he and Jules have planned for that night, but they rescheduled for the next day. Though even so, Shawn and Jules go on a walk on the boardwalk that night (or so it's implied). But damn. The Shules shipper in me is wounded.

Christ. Has anyone else seen it yet and felt similarly? I can't get over this right now.

Dude, really??? I'll have access to a T.V. tonight around 1AM so I am so going to watch the repeat and I'll comment on this thread then, but i'm kinda worried

Yeah, you can buy it off itunes, as well, it's avaliable right now. Like, I can't even express my outrage, because now Shawn will just go back to picking up random hotties, I'm sure, because that would feel like a huge betrayal. I would seriously go find his ex and just go back to her, because honestly, Juliet might not even be worth the trouble. She doesn't seem to realize how F-----ng lucky she had it with Shawn.

In her defense though, he has already slept with that Psy vs, Psy chick without giving Jules a second glance. So there, although she was slightly enamored with Diamond's character. Hahaha, but yeah. It has to make you wonder if he will just stop pursuing Jules just because she is dating this guy, ya know.

And i wish i had Itunes...but i don't. Cuz if i did...i would be ALL OVER THAT PUPPY!

Lol! But keep in mind psy vs psy was before they were really interested in each other, ie Bounty Hunters, Talk Derby to Me, etc. I think what Juliet did was a much, much lower blow.

It's just so freaking gross. I don't care what people say, Coleman looks like he's f--ing 60 years old, and Jules is like 28. So wrong. Christ. Can I slap her, please?

Wow, some serious Jules harshness here. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm hoping this was maybe just an arm on the back to "establish" himself since she agreed to go out with him, not that they're actually, like, dating. Either way, I still love Jules, still think she is Shawn's perfect match, and I will continue to have faith in the writers - and in our boy. I'd like to see how Shawn handles some competition, honestly, because we all know that if he wanted to, he could whip this guy's butt in everything - smarts, skills, etc. I wonder if he will start revealing more of himself to Juliet, and maybe realize that he feels more than just a casual attraction to her. Maybe it will flip and Shawn will start going out with someone (hello, Abigail?), and we will see Juliet get jealous and finally realize how much she cares about him. (See here: http://james-roday.net/gallery/displayimag...um=38&pos=2 for my feelings on that one).

It will all be OK, people - remember, we're only halfway through the season, and Christmas is coming. Hold your breath and cross your fingers for a mistletoe moment.

All that being said, writers: You. Are. Meanies. Our little fan hearts are sensitive and easily hurt.

Sigh. Oh well. If nothing else, at least Maggie has the right idea in real life (but seriously, how little fun is real life in comparison? C'mon, peeps.)

Casual attraction? You see throughout the entire episode how attracted he is to her, and that it's more so. Like when Gus is talking about how life is fleeting, and you have to let people know how you feel, Shawn just sighs mildly sadly and is like, "Yeah..."

I think Shawn should just stop pursuing Jules. He's made his moves and given her chances time and time again that she's turned down. He needs to go make himself happy, and if Juliet wants to have her chance, she needs to make the move herself.

As Shawn said, "What? You had your shot!" And this is just the nails in her coffin.

No more comments until I see it for myself.

Lol. Fair enough!

Ok, I lied. So sue me.

Here are some (minor) insights into the curious and occassionally disturbing workings that go on inside the minds of our writers:

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/psych/psyc...he-a-21501.aspx

And here:

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/psych/psyc...abou-21099.aspx

Ok. this is suprising, must see the episode myself before I can make any additional comments...

Ofc I have iTunes, but no money ><

I watched it last night with my friend, and we were going insane. Not because we were totally pissed, but because we thought it was soo freaking adorable. I mean it's gross that that guy is so old, but it allowed for total Shawn cuteness. I love how hurt he was and the way he dealt with it. And Jules could see that, and I think she regrets it.

Like when they were in the van with lassie, and she was describing the old dude's traits, how he had direction and maturity, that's probably telling us she's hesitant about getting involved with Shawn because he doesn't have that. We know Jules likes him. At the end of Derby you could see her hand touching his and not wanting to pull away. I'm pretty sure in the last shot they were holding hands. She thinks Shawn is adorable, cute, but maybe not datable because she thinks he won't actually commit or treat it with maturity because he doesn't have that ability. Plus, it's sometimes harder to go out with guys you like because it hurts that much more when it ends. It's easier to be friends so you're sure you have a relationship with them. I think when she came back in the end, she was making sure they were still friends.

So yes, i'm totally grossed out at her alternative, but I definitely am not hating on the chick. This opens up all sorts of fun possibilities for later.

I could be totally wrong and over-analyzing this, but that's what rabid fan girls do when the excitement from watching psych and a pineapple smoothie keep you up until two in the morning.

They were certainly right in all those interviews when they said they would dangle shawn and jules in front of you and then snatch it away. Props to you, people, it's definitely working.

ok now I flove Shawn but he did see other girls after the close talking Bounty Hunters and Juliet already told Shawn she cant date with someone she works with ( maybe this guy is her ex would explain alot)
Also I still flove Shules they are the best no matter what I guess I get that from watching soaps.
NE ways it doesnt bug me one bit I love them more, and the only thing I hate is Gary Coleman EWWWWWW WHY Couldnt they have her get with a hot man like a really HOTT ASS MAN Shawn gets Hot Girls why cant Jules have Hot Guys?

that's what i'm talkin about! haha

ooooh also if he is pissed off expect some really good mvids 4 me Shules are my couple and I am going on a Mvid spree.

another thing i get is the more agnst we get the more powerful a couple gets in almost every show comedy or other after it passes it makes them see another side of each other.

Like in this case we will see shawn really cares 4 Jules and I bet we will see her returning those feelings

Still, I agree with the replies above, at least get a hot, young guy. Not some freaking old dude. That's gross.

that is the only part of all this I LOTHE because she deserves a HOT guy come on in season one they had her with a Hot Doctor and now we get her with a guy that looks like a old A* SS MONKEY

OK, that was no where near as heartbreaking as I thought it would be. Loved the old guy jokes, loved Shawn telling Jules he just wanted her to be happy, and I definetly think she was WAY too defensive about the whole thing. I'm not worried; she's crazy about Shawn even if she doesn't want to admit it - I think she just has some misconceptions based on what she thinks she knows about him. Also, at the end, she didn't seem too optimistic about the whole "relationship" thing, and she was more than eager to go out with Shawn.

So yes. I am good, I am happy. AND I am way looking forward to seeing Shawn bust out his mad skillz and totally showing this guy up.

Firstly, I admire your passion for the show as I share that with you. However, I totally disagree with you. I thought the episode was well done. Jules is not a skank for dating that older man. Like in real life, many women chose a to date people with whom they interact. Since Jules presummably works a lot and only interacts with others in her career path (aka police personnel)., she chose to date someone she met. She is a pretty girl and realizes that she should be dating and having fun. It is not like she woke up naked and uncertain of her location. She simply went on a few dates, which does not define a skank. Futhermore, in defense of the producers, they are most likely responding to the overwhelming demand for more Jules and Shawn flirting. In posts in the past, fans were upset that there flirting stopped cold turkey. This was their way to make it happen. ALso, remember this was a season finale, so we should and were left wondering what will happen. With that said, I will say that the dress she wore was terribly unflattering for her despite her cute figure.

Fair enough. I liked the episode, don't get me wrong! But I feel that Juliet needs to decide. And fast. Because, while not skanky, I thought it was incredibly classless for her to continue toying with Shawn by going on that boardwalk walk with him for dinner when she has a date set up for the next day.

She needs to make up her mind. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

thay are gonna make babies ,you watch and see.(lol)

You DO realize this is how "casual dating" works, right? You see several people without a heavy commitment, you maybe decide you like one of them enough to try a serious relationship with them (or not), and only then do you start seeing them exclusively?

Jules does not owe Shawn anything. She is not in a relationship with him, they have not even been on any official dates. Zero. Nada. He hasn't even OPENLY said he likes her (he expressly denied he wanted to date her last episode to save face); there was just coy flirting. She doesn't owe it to him to be a mind reader or to adjust her life to his desires. Do you feel obligated to inform any guy who casually flirts with you about who else you may date? Because otherwise there's this grocery store clerk and this Starbucks barista AND that guy I flirted with at a party last week that I apparently need to inform of all my future love interests.

Even if she HAD been on an official date with him, she would still be perfectly in her right to go out with other guys until such a point as they decide to be exclusive. Besides, Shawn never hesitates to flirt with other women (the pretty brunette behind the barricades?) even while flirting with Jules. We've seen him go on dates with other women, we've seen him actively try to get them into bed, and so on, and so on. So I just don't get the outrage.

I agree with Jack but at least the Shawn-Juliet relationship is actually getting somewhere now beyond the level of flirting.

XD Okay, well... to begin with I'm not much of a Shules shipper, so I'm not looking at it in that way, buuuut

I don't think she has any sort of obligation to tell him any time she dates a guy. He's always chasing after some woman or another, and no one calls him a skank for it. Bit of a double-standard to expect the girl to wait for the guy while he flirts with whoever he wants.

I almost feel like his interest in her is limited to "I want it because I CAN'T have it - moreover I have to see it all the time and be reminded that I can't have it."

Also I think it's silly to get angry at someone for not returning romantic affections - no one can make themselves love who they don't love, and it would be cruel to expect them to. Nor do I think hanging out with him constitutes as "toying with him."

It's obvious that Shawn and Juliet are destined in the end for each other and the writers aren't going to waste time developing a relationship that won't happen in the end. It is just how they get there, that the writers are having fun doing and manipulating fans with a.k.a. the chase. This is how Psych lives on and doesn't die as a series.

Well, JackV, if you notice, since he's been really into Juliet, who's he gone on a date with? Who's he actively tried to get into bed? not the curator, his date got interrupted by his mother showing up.

The brunette, why not? It seemed more like a retaliatory response to Jules. You haven't seen him do that in ages.


And to your list of all the people you've flirted with, that's fine. But if you flirt with all those people, hard to tell if you're actually really interested in one. But hey, your call. I'm not going to argue ethics with you. Casual datings a bit cheap. Especially for someone like Juliet, who's so strict on her "not dating a colleague", etc, rules.

Well, Jules' date got interrupted too, so they're even then. Jules doesn't try to pick people up nearly as much as he does. I don't understand the "actively" description. Either you see other people or you don't. Certainly Shawn isn't saving himself just for Jules; if I had a boyfriend who acted like Shawn does, I would hardly be "ok" with it because he isn't actively trying to bed people, just... what... recreationally? And again, he hasn't asked her to be his girlfriend, she hasn't given any real indication that she wants to date him, so I don't see the problem.



Well, again, is Jules supposed to be a mind-reader? She sees him flirt with the brunette, she saw him kiss that girl at the dance, how is she supposed to know that he's thinking "Shawn <3s Jules"? In fact, seeing how he flirts with people not-actively, and kisses them and then never sees them again would just make her think that when he flirts with her he also doesn't "really mean it." If someone who has a history of hitting on everything with a skirt and then skipping out when they agree for a date kept hitting on you, would you really think he was serious? More than that, would you turn down dates from anyone else you might be interested in just so as not to hurt his feelings and be considered a "skank"? Jules might secretly like Shawn, but aside from a few playful interactions, she hasn't given him much encouragement, and it's clear she doesn't think it's a good idea for them to get involved even if she realizes he has a bit of a thing for her.



Exactly! :-) And what does Shawn do?

But you misunderstood, I did not flirt with all those people (only the last one). The others flirt with me, and I smile back, because I'm being polite and because a smile does not mean I intend to date them. What I'm saying is, to me, the boy at the grocery store is the same as Shawn may be to Juliet. He flirts with me whenever I come in, I think he's sweet so I'm nice to him, but that hardly obligates me to not date anyone else because it would upset him if I got a boyfriend. But even the boy I DID flirt with--I owe him nothing until such a point that we move beyond flirting to something real.



I don't do casual dating myself, but I don't see why Juliet wouldn't. Not dating a coworker is something else entirely; that's just basic smarts about not dragging personal stuff into the workplace. People can date around and have one-night stands every weekend and still refuse to date a colleague.

Personally, I am more offended by your use of language than anything Juliet could ever do. Shame.

LOL. I think so too. Their kids would be gorgeous.

Amen. You said it.

thank you. there is a major double standard here. just b/c jules has *1* date, she's a skank, but shawn has flirted/kissed/dated his share of women and that's okay.

although i liked the old guy jokes, i want a hot guy for jules. haha

Haha touche. But just in question, I'm pretty sure she never saw Shawn kissing Abigail, did she?

Well, that's your right to be offended. Freedom of speech and all that, I'll put it however I want. Because if Shawn had did something wrong and gone and messed up the shules by sleeping with, say, the brunette, everyone would be swearing him off.

World of double standards, much.

But Juliet didn't just leap on some guy at a crime scene. It wouldn't really be the same at all. o_O

She's an adult, she's NOT in a relationship with Shawn, and she is free to do as she wishes without consulting him. You can't say she's a bad person for sleeping with someone who isn't Shawn when they are not in any sort of relationship - is she just supposed to ignore all of HER feelings and wait around for him to grow up? I think not. XD Sorry to get all serious here, but I hate it when if a guy goes around flirting with everyone woman in sight, it's just "Oh, he's a playaaaa~~ how charming and smexy!" but if a girl dates or flirts (even casually) with more than one guy, "she's a skank!"

Also, as long as I'm making myself unpopular, I just don't FEEL the whole "they r destin'd!!" Destined.. because he's the male lead and she's the female lead? XD

Lol you're not making yourself unpopular. But as a guy, I would have to say, it's no good when a guy hits on every woman in sight, I think that is the same thing. But in fairness, it seemed like Shawn gave up the random trying to pick up women and such since he knew he really really liked Jules.

And I mean, come on. There's a difference between being mature and dating someone almost old enough to be your grandpa. Gary Cole or not, that'd still be disgusting. At least a mature, younger guy?

I hope in the second half of the season, there's a role reversal, and Shawn has found another girl who he likes and what will Juliet's reaction be?

Besides that, I'm really enjoyed the Shawn-Lassiter heightened respect aspect of this episode.

Can't wait for December and the New Year.

Somehow I knew the "freedom of speech" comment would come up. My point wasn't that you couldn't express HOW you felt, it was the WAY you said it. Calling her a skank? Saying you are pissed? It's a t.v. show not real life. I guess my interpretation was that you were very upset but it's not reality. Shawn and Juliet are obviously bound to be together one day. They are by no means a couple right now. They are single people that are allowed to come and go as they please and with whom they please. James Roday even said that the "relationship" between them would evolve very slowly. He said they don't want to rush it in any way. Once the thrill of the chase is over, it tends to get boring basically is what he said. Throughout the past 2 1/2 seasons Shawn has come close to or been involved with, or kissed different girls. He likes Juliet and he is slowly pursuing her but he's not going to stop living either. The brunette thing was just a girl that he said hello to. meant to be funny.

XD You still can't expect HER to know he really likes her.

Aaand tons of women are attracted to older men. *shrug* I guess I see nothing wrong with it - it's the emotional connection that matters.

It is creepy how you are totally reading my mind

Well put.

Lol, I know! It's not the older man thing that bothers me, but the fact that in like, 20 years when Jules would be like, what, 48-ish? He'd probably be in his grave. That would make for some lonely company.

But yes, it was a a way of getting out my frustration, in which there was no other way to channel it, since the show isn't reality.


But Shawn needs to stop going after her. He's not going to get anywhere, and it's time for Jules to have to do some of the work. How long do you guys think he should be going after her until it's just too much on his part?

Urgh, I'm just completely sick of all the Shules stuff right now. I mean, I'm biased against it cuz I'm a Lassiet fan (yeah, I know, "ewwh" and whatever), but nevertheless. xD I'd much rather there be no romance at all than have Shules. I feel like it's been taking away from the show this season.

Anyroad, going to the real matter at hand: Jules dating a man that isn't Shawn. As many others have said, Shawn's dated loads of women and this is the only time we've seen Jules dating. She has the right to date people just as he does. It's not like he's given her a promise ring or anything, there's absolutely to commitment with them. It's just flirting. As for the older man thing, THEY'RE JUST DATING! It's not like he's given her a promise ring either. They sure aren't going to get married, so why bother with the age factor? Besides, I myself like older men so I don't see a problem with it. : P They're bound to get together by the end of the show. But not before then I imagine, it'd take away the whole "will they, won't they" factor that keeps some people tuned in.

Juliet has every right to date. Shawn and her aren't together, so it's no different than if the Chief were dating.

Lol. The chief has a husband, bub. It'd be quite different.

ITA with almost everyone on this topic Juliet can date as many guys as she wants because her and Shawn are not together, I Just think she should have had a hotter love intrest and can someone please tell me why Juliet feels guilty everytime she's with someone that isnt Shawn and why does she need clearance from him to date.

Shawn: I want you to go out with Luntz
and she thanked Shawn come on what is that about

and the very begining where Lassi was all like you better tell him he's a psychic and she admited to going on a date with the guy come on now it's none of his bees knees.

and he sent the swat team some where to make Luntz cancel his date with Jules.

NE ways point is as much as I flove Shules and Jules & Shawn can do watever wit who ever they want.
when they get together is a diffrent story

The only problem i had with the episode was where the guard told him to drop his gun, but then he tells the guard to drop the gun and for some idiotic reason the guard listens to him.

Whoops. Well you know what I mean. I can rephrase it if you want. Juliet dating is no different than Gus dating. She doesn't have any commitment to Shawn.

In my post from the last episode when I stated how I felt Juliette was being too cold to Shawn........well, now we know why don't we??!!
She is dating that OLD guy!!
Lassie knew it already, but Shawn did not, and neither did we, until this episode!
In that last post, I said how I thought Shawn was trying so hard, and she was not hardly giving him the time of day. Well, apparently, she has some Daddy Complex, and likes dating older, more mature guys.
That's fine, but Shawn is a great catch, and really likes her a lot, BUT if she intends to keep ignoring those facts, and dating this other guy instead, I think Shawn should stop persuing her!!
I think he was a great match with that old High School flame, Abagail (?).
I think he should give her a call!!
Let Juliette have her space and date this guy if she wants to. Maybe if Shawn moves on and asks out some other girl, Jules will realize that she really does like him after all!
I mean, she does seem to be at least considering Shawn, since she came to the Psych office all dressed up hoping he would ask her out again.

There may be hope for them yet!!