Excellent episode! Not what I would call a funny episode, but really well done. Sad. Loved David Strathairn as a guest star. Liked it when Adrian reminded Stathairn's character about the loss of the two women. It was respectful.
A thoughtful episode. So far, this season is starting off very strong.
Full Version: Mr. Monk and the Genius - Season Seven - Episode Two
QUOTE (jgcole02 @ Jul 26 2008, 12:27 AM) 
Not to be overly negative, but best episode? Monk is a terrific show; this was not its best episode. The police, notified by a prominent consultant who has solved countless cases for them that a man has threatened his wife's life would not find a bottle hidden by an alcoholic who has fallen off the wagon? Could she have hidden it so well? That's not even the biggest problem. How does Chessman switch the headstones overnight by himself? And when the police go to the cemetary to exhume, they search the headstones rather than going by the cemetary's records? Cemetaries know where they bury people and keep records and layouts of their grounds. The problem with the headstone--assuming one person could move them overnight, would have been noticed when the police found the wrong headstone on the plot identified by the cementary. The smartest person in the world would not know this?
Monk has had many wonderful episodes. This isn't one of them.
Monk has had many wonderful episodes. This isn't one of them.
We had a cemetary in the Orlando area,( this was all over the news)that had bodies in the wrong place. In some cases, two bodies in the same grave, some were hidden in a wooded area. This stuff does happen. It`s all about the money.
Who says the Chessmaster didn`t have help?
QUOTE (quinfran @ Jul 26 2008, 07:00 AM)
We had a cemetary in the Orlando area,( this was all over the news)that had bodies in the wrong place. In some cases, two bodies in the same grave, some were hidden in a wooded area. This stuff does happen. It`s all about the money.
Who says the Chessmaster didn`t have help?
Who says the Chessmaster didn`t have help?
Yes, I think you're right, Quinfran. A man with an IQ of over 180 can figure out how to move a tomb stone -- my guess is he rented some kind of equipment to do it, so that he wouldn't have to hire an accomplice.
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Jul 26 2008, 08:31 AM)
Yes, I think you're right, Quinfran. A man with an IQ of over 180 can figure out how to move a tomb stone -- my guess is he rented some kind of equipment to do it, so that he wouldn't have to hire an accomplice.
OK, ok, ok. And I lost my internet connection, and didn't saw the chat, and you didn't make me feel heppy about the 'almost kiss' and all the other nice scenes..... now I am soooooooooooo eager to watch it!
It really looks like a very good episode!
and three months to be aired here....
d**n internet, I could at least be teased by you at the chat yesterday.......
Mi
QUOTE (ramblinman1957 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:41 PM)
Tony Shalhoub, your delivery and timing are brilliant. I feel we are watching a comedy legend in the making. Excellent Show! Genius!
Of course. Tony IS a comedy legend.
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Jul 26 2008, 06:31 AM)
Yes, I think you're right, Quinfran. A man with an IQ of over 180 can figure out how to move a tomb stone -- my guess is he rented some kind of equipment to do it, so that he wouldn't have to hire an accomplice.
Thank you BfloGal. You are right about the equipment. He wouldn`t trust anyone, so probably no accomplice.
QUOTE (quinfran @ Jul 26 2008, 08:02 AM)
Thank you BfloGal. You are right about the equipment. He wouldn`t trust anyone, so probably no accomplice.
I just watched it again, and Monk picks up a fallen leaf, and looks up into a tree -- some kind of pulley system perhaps? If the graves were close, that would be my pick -- very quiet too -- and can be taken in with very little trouble or fanfare.
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Jul 26 2008, 07:11 AM)
I just watched it again, and Monk picks up a fallen leaf, and looks up into a tree -- some kind of pulley system perhaps? If the graves were close, that would be my pick -- very quiet too -- and can be taken in with very little trouble or fanfare.
Your a genius! LOL
QUOTE (quinfran @ Jul 26 2008, 08:39 AM)
Your a genius! LOL
LOL, Not quite 180.
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Jul 26 2008, 07:31 AM)
Yes, I think you're right, Quinfran. A man with an IQ of over 180 can figure out how to move a tomb stone -- my guess is he rented some kind of equipment to do it, so that he wouldn't have to hire an accomplice.
He may have even thought out this as a possibility and arranged for it. As a Chess Master I'd kind of expect no less.
I imagine that they make tow-straps for cars with more than a ton of pull strength. If you used these to wrap the stones, so they rest on the straps, then lift them from the top with a cherry-picker (The thing they use to pull engines out of cars) you could probably lift one. If the 'picker' had large wheels I imagine you could even roll it over grass.
But you'd need two of the same set up to do it quickly - and more help to manage it. You know, to 'castle' them quickly and slip away. Otherwise, with just one rig to move both stones, you'd be lifting the first stone twice, once to move it and again to position it after you moved the second one.
Interesting experiment though... If I ever get a pair of cherry pickers...
Just some thoughts...
-The Amazing -M
QUOTE (TheAuthor @ Jul 26 2008, 07:52 AM)
He may have even thought out this as a possibility and arranged for it. As a Chess Master I'd kind of expect no less.
I imagine that they make tow-straps for cars with more than a ton of pull strength. If you used these to wrap the stones, so they rest on the straps, then lift them from the top with a cherry-picker (The thing they use to pull engines out of cars) you could probably lift one. If the 'picker' had large wheels I imagine you could even roll it over grass.
But you'd need two of the same set up to do it quickly - and more help to manage it. You know, to 'castle' them quickly and slip away. Otherwise, with just one rig to move both stones, you'd be lifting the first stone twice, once to move it and again to position it after you moved the second one.
Interesting experiment though... If I ever get a pair of cherry pickers...
Just some thoughts...
-The Amazing -M
I imagine that they make tow-straps for cars with more than a ton of pull strength. If you used these to wrap the stones, so they rest on the straps, then lift them from the top with a cherry-picker (The thing they use to pull engines out of cars) you could probably lift one. If the 'picker' had large wheels I imagine you could even roll it over grass.
But you'd need two of the same set up to do it quickly - and more help to manage it. You know, to 'castle' them quickly and slip away. Otherwise, with just one rig to move both stones, you'd be lifting the first stone twice, once to move it and again to position it after you moved the second one.
Interesting experiment though... If I ever get a pair of cherry pickers...
Just some thoughts...
-The Amazing -M
Hi M, Great post! What did you think of the show over all?
Hi-this is my first post. I have been watching Monk in reruns here and there for a while, but have only recently become a little more devoted. I have always like TS as an actor. I wanted to remark on Mr Monk and the Genius. I am a huge David Strathairn fan and am surprised more of the posts didn't mention what a great job he did. And what a dapper dresser, eh? I gather from the posts that you guys weren't thrilled with last week's episode, but I liked it a lot. What didn't people like? Anyway, about last night- I thought it was terrific!
Okay, this was a GREAT episode! I loved every aspect of the episode. I laughed through most of it. Everyone was GREAT, as usual. It was good to see Tony's sister, Susan on the show. I would have liked to have seen her a couple of more times, she didn't really have much on screen time, but she did a fantastic job. This was a great episode and I can't wait until next week!!
QUOTE (jgcole02 @ Jul 26 2008, 01:27 AM)
Not to be overly negative, but best episode? Monk is a terrific show; this was not its best episode. The police, notified by a prominent consultant who has solved countless cases for them that a man has threatened his wife's life would not find a bottle hidden by an alcoholic who has fallen off the wagon? Could she have hidden it so well? That's not even the biggest problem. How does Chessman switch the headstones overnight by himself? And when the police go to the cemetary to exhume, they search the headstones rather than going by the cemetary's records? Cemetaries know where they bury people and keep records and layouts of their grounds. The problem with the headstone--assuming one person could move them overnight, would have been noticed when the police found the wrong headstone on the plot identified by the cementary. The smartest person in the world would not know this?
Monk has had many wonderful episodes. This isn't one of them.
Monk has had many wonderful episodes. This isn't one of them.
The acting was top-notch via DS and TS. The plot, not so much, I do agree with your observations. Here are some more inconsistencies: the wife goes to Monk and pleads with him to solve her murder after she dies and fails to tell him that the first wife died under similar circumstances? Putting that boo-boo aside, a routine investigatin would have turned that fact up fairly quickly--in plenty of time to stop the cremation of the second wife. Also, why in the world would such a genius murder his second wife with the same poison that he killed the first wife with? And Natalie trying to cash the check of a recently deceased person? Uh, ain't gonna happen, not until the estate is settled.
Oh, these niggling little things bother the heck out of me. Cos it doesn't have to be that way. If you're going to spring a shotgun in Act III, you have to show it somewhere in Act I or Act II.
And this kept me up half the night: will someone PLEASE tell me what was that crazy bit about the Capt yelling into his phone about Karen and a restraining order???
QUOTE (LIMAMA1956 @ Jul 26 2008, 10:32 AM)
And this kept me up half the night: will someone PLEASE tell me what was that crazy bit about the Capt yelling into his phone about Karen and a restraining order???
I don't remember anything about Karen -- I thought they were trying to get a restraining order against the chess genius -- to protect the wife.
Oh, and as to the circumstances being similar -- we don't know what the second wife knew about Tatiana'a death. But it was not deemed suspicious until after the second wife died. How would she know the circumstances would be similar before her own death occured?
The brilliance of Monk was certainly put to the test in this episode. Loved it from beginning to end! I breathe a sigh of relief when Monk couldn't leave the evidence he had made behind. He is one of the good guys and I just hoped he wouldn't let his emotions take over and he didn't. It was great when Natalie said let's kiss then quickly changed her mind. LOL
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Jul 26 2008, 10:36 AM)
I don't remember anything about Karen -- I thought they were trying to get a restraining order against the chess genius -- to protect the wife.
Oh, and as to the circumstances being similar -- we don't know what the second wife knew about Tatiana'a death. But it was not deemed suspicious until after the second wife died. How would she know the circumstances would be similar before her own death occured?
Oh, and as to the circumstances being similar -- we don't know what the second wife knew about Tatiana'a death. But it was not deemed suspicious until after the second wife died. How would she know the circumstances would be similar before her own death occured?
I could have sworn the Capt. said Karen, I could very well be wrong. I know when the conversation came about, I went huh? Now he could have been speaking to another Karen (and not his ex-wife)....
As for the second wife not knowing the circumstances of the first wife's death, that's also an assumption...just as my assumption that a second wife would know how the first wife died....and if he taunted her about killing her, one could also make the case that he would have taunted her about dying like first wife? Just saying you could make the case either way....
QUOTE (lisaames @ Jul 26 2008, 08:15 AM)
Hi-this is my first post. I have been watching Monk in reruns here and there for a while, but have only recently become a little more devoted. I have always like TS as an actor. I wanted to remark on Mr Monk and the Genius. I am a huge David Strathairn fan and am surprised more of the posts didn't mention what a great job he did. And what a dapper dresser, eh? I gather from the posts that you guys weren't thrilled with last week's episode, but I liked it a lot. What didn't people like? Anyway, about last night- I thought it was terrific!
Hi, and welcome to the boards! I personally liked both this week and last week's episodes, but for different reasons. I won't rehash the thread about last week here, if you look under the heading for last week's episode, you will see everyone's comments.
I was literally jumping up and down in my seat about this week's episode! I absolutely loved it!! I thought the acting was brilliant, and the writing, too. Bravo to everyone involved in the production!!! As for the "technicalities" of how he "did it", I leave that investigative work to Monk. I trust him to find the answers. I don't need to know. Besides, Monk is never wrong....
QUOTE (monkchik693 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:10 PM)
I really actually thought this episode would be boring. But it so wasn't! It was great! I bet all the Monk/Natalie shippers liked it, too! 
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that so far this season, Monk is a bit more bold and not quite as socially awkward. I don't know, just something about him this season seems...different.
-chik
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that so far this season, Monk is a bit more bold and not quite as socially awkward. I don't know, just something about him this season seems...different.
-chik
I think this episode was a great one. They still have the knack for great writing and producing. What's up with the Capt's hair, though? It's getting too light... and in the credits, the name Shalhoub-Laskin was in there, I think it was a woman, but I don't remember the first name. Any idea who this person was? What's your take on Monk and Natalie getting closer? I feel they have a chemistry that Sharona and him didn't have. They seem so close, I mean look at the past episodes, how he looks her in the eye when he is sincere, it just melts my heart. And Julie is much closer to him than Sharona's son, I forgot his name.
QUOTE (LIMAMA1956 @ Jul 26 2008, 10:46 AM)
I could have sworn the Capt. said Karen, I could very well be wrong. I know when tha conversation came about, I went huh? Now he could have been speaking to another Karen (and not his ex-wife)....
As for the second wife not knowing the circumstances of the first wife's death, that's also an assumption...just as my assumption that a second wife would know how the first wife died....and if he taunted her about killing her, one could also make the case that he would have taunted her about dying like first wife? Just saying you could make the case either way....
As for the second wife not knowing the circumstances of the first wife's death, that's also an assumption...just as my assumption that a second wife would know how the first wife died....and if he taunted her about killing her, one could also make the case that he would have taunted her about dying like first wife? Just saying you could make the case either way....
I didn't say the second wife (sorry -- I can't remember her name) didn't know the circumstances of Tatiana's death. It was deemed a heart attack, and was not considered suspicious at all -- that was most likely all that she knew. We are not told that he taunted by telling her that he killed his first wife.
I meant that the second wife did not know that her own death would also be considered a heart attack. She only knew he was going to kill her.
QUOTE (LIMAMA1956 @ Jul 26 2008, 09:46 AM)
I could have sworn the Capt. said Karen, I could very well be wrong. I know when tha conversation came about, I went huh? Now he could have been speaking to another Karen (and not his ex-wife)....
That's exactly what I thought too. I said, "why would he call Karen about a case?" But when I watched it the second time I listened closely and he said Kevin.
Few interesting pts.
Probaly the most noticable was when he shook the genius hand he didn't ask Natalie for a wipe. I thought that was interesting for his growth.
Don't know if i cared for Monk trying to plant evidence. There have been tough cases with no evidence and they still was able to solve them. Definately thought that was a bad route to go.
Another pt was on the stakeout and natalie is nervous when he sees the guy coming she actually says we should kiss. Maybe a love thing will start later on in the season.
finally my god julie has grownup.
Probaly the most noticable was when he shook the genius hand he didn't ask Natalie for a wipe. I thought that was interesting for his growth.
Don't know if i cared for Monk trying to plant evidence. There have been tough cases with no evidence and they still was able to solve them. Definately thought that was a bad route to go.
Another pt was on the stakeout and natalie is nervous when he sees the guy coming she actually says we should kiss. Maybe a love thing will start later on in the season.
finally my god julie has grownup.
QUOTE (Foxtrot @ Jul 26 2008, 11:03 AM)
That's exactly what I thought too. I said, "why would he call Karen about a case?" But when I watched it the second time I listened closely and he said Kevin.
Thank you! So I'm not going completely crazy....
Also, a quick Google turned up tons of stuff on Oleander poisioning, usually it takes 12-18 hours for the first symptoms to appear after ingesting....
Just a little point, not much really, but why would Randy have to clean up a mess the Captian made? Shouldn't the Cap do it, or if it's beneath him, have someone from janitorial? Or is Randy moonlighting as cleaning staff because his statue job didn't work out?
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Jul 26 2008, 09:36 AM)
I don't remember anything about Karen -- I thought they were trying to get a restraining order against the chess genius -- to protect the wife.
Oh, and as to the circumstances being similar -- we don't know what the second wife knew about Tatiana'a death. But it was not deemed suspicious until after the second wife died. How would she know the circumstances would be similar before her own death occured?
Oh, and as to the circumstances being similar -- we don't know what the second wife knew about Tatiana'a death. But it was not deemed suspicious until after the second wife died. How would she know the circumstances would be similar before her own death occured?
It had nothing to do with Karen. The Capt was speaking to the DA about getting a restraining order against the husband but couldn't pull it off. The first wife died the same way the second wife died. Monk figured it out because of the Oleander plants that used to be around their home(the first wife and the chess player, sorry I don't remember his name)he questioned the neighbors. The second wife knew she was going to die because the husband told her he was going to kill her, but she didn't know how.
It was deemed suspicious to the judge because they raised enough suspicion to exhume the first wife's body to see if she had been murdered the same way, but if anyone noticed how the husband looked when he realized what he said about the first wife, then he had to switch the bodies.
Help me understand something: Didn't Trudy get blown up by a car bomb? Which I seem to remember that in
earlier eppies it was mentioned, not just killed but many small pieces of her? Then several seasona ago an eppy
about donating her eyes to a woman with RP (Retinitous Pigmentosa), which in any case, eye transplants are not
done.
So last night, we hear how when she was dying.....she reached out her hands to Monk and held them just so. Odd,
I thought he was in another place when she was blown up.
Now don't get me wrong, I love Monk and watch every week (or tape when I cannot), however some issues in
the shows are not exactly protrayed with continuity...what about Stottlemeyer's ex-wife and kids? what about
Disher's looney mother? what about Monk's brother and father? But especially I have issues with the writers
not doing enough research on topics they implant in the series.
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earlier eppies it was mentioned, not just killed but many small pieces of her? Then several seasona ago an eppy
about donating her eyes to a woman with RP (Retinitous Pigmentosa), which in any case, eye transplants are not
done.
So last night, we hear how when she was dying.....she reached out her hands to Monk and held them just so. Odd,
I thought he was in another place when she was blown up.
Now don't get me wrong, I love Monk and watch every week (or tape when I cannot), however some issues in
the shows are not exactly protrayed with continuity...what about Stottlemeyer's ex-wife and kids? what about
Disher's looney mother? what about Monk's brother and father? But especially I have issues with the writers
not doing enough research on topics they implant in the series.
--------------
Save the earth, it's the only planet with chocolate!
Aw, this episode sounds awesome! Yay for cute Monk and Natalie. Too bad I dont have cable. 
...since the seasons only 16 episodes does anyone have any idea when the season would come out on dvd?
...since the seasons only 16 episodes does anyone have any idea when the season would come out on dvd?
QUOTE (LIMAMA1956 @ Jul 26 2008, 11:12 AM)
Thank you! So I'm not going completely crazy....
Also, a quick Google turned up tons of stuff on Oleander poisioning, usually it takes 12-18 hours for the first symptoms to appear after ingesting....
Also, a quick Google turned up tons of stuff on Oleander poisioning, usually it takes 12-18 hours for the first symptoms to appear after ingesting....
Maybe he used a rare species of North Korean Oleander -- which can kill a victim in just a few minutes.
It would have to be deadlier ... to live in a country like North Korea.
I just watched it! Loved it! That's an episode I'd certainly call - good work.
The whole mystery thing was very thrilling and suspenseful. Till the very end I coulnd't even guess that Monk was actually only one step behind of catching the killer (I avoided reading spoilers before).
After a medical examiner couldn't find any trace of poison in the second lady - I thought
this whole poison theory is wrong, but it wasn't. So I have to add - I haven't seen such a well developed mystery in Monk for awhile. I think I like those mysteries with "how he did it?" much more than ones with "why/who did it?"
The famous "we should kiss" scene - wow! For an instance I felt it's like the "Monk three
word story game" - very unexpected trick! Maybe the writers are actually reading our messages and I agree with yvette that this might be a teaser for us!
I also enjoyed the evil vilain David Strathairn a lot. He's good! A veeery tricky THE GUY!
These are my very first notices about the episode.
The whole mystery thing was very thrilling and suspenseful. Till the very end I coulnd't even guess that Monk was actually only one step behind of catching the killer (I avoided reading spoilers before).
After a medical examiner couldn't find any trace of poison in the second lady - I thought
this whole poison theory is wrong, but it wasn't. So I have to add - I haven't seen such a well developed mystery in Monk for awhile. I think I like those mysteries with "how he did it?" much more than ones with "why/who did it?"
The famous "we should kiss" scene - wow! For an instance I felt it's like the "Monk three
word story game" - very unexpected trick! Maybe the writers are actually reading our messages and I agree with yvette that this might be a teaser for us!
I also enjoyed the evil vilain David Strathairn a lot. He's good! A veeery tricky THE GUY!
These are my very first notices about the episode.
QUOTE (Chacal @ Jul 26 2008, 11:57 AM)
I just watched it! Loved it! That's an episode I'd certainly call - good work.
The whole mystery thing was very thrilling and suspenseful. Till the very end I coulnd't even guess that Monk was actually only one step behind of catching the killer (I avoided reading spoilers before).
After a medical examiner couldn't find any trace of poison in the second lady - I thought
this whole poison theory is wrong, but it wasn't. So I have to add - I haven't seen such a well developed mystery in Monk for awhile. I think I like those mysteries with "how he did it?" much more than ones with "why/who did it?"
The famous "we should kiss" scene - wow! For an instance I felt it's like the "Monk three
word story game" - very unexpected trick! Maybe the writers are actually reading our messages and I agree with yvette that this might be a teaser for us!
I also enjoyed the evil vilain David Strathairn a lot. He's good! A veeery tricky THE GUY!
These are my very first notices about the episode.
The whole mystery thing was very thrilling and suspenseful. Till the very end I coulnd't even guess that Monk was actually only one step behind of catching the killer (I avoided reading spoilers before).
After a medical examiner couldn't find any trace of poison in the second lady - I thought
this whole poison theory is wrong, but it wasn't. So I have to add - I haven't seen such a well developed mystery in Monk for awhile. I think I like those mysteries with "how he did it?" much more than ones with "why/who did it?"
The famous "we should kiss" scene - wow! For an instance I felt it's like the "Monk three
word story game" - very unexpected trick! Maybe the writers are actually reading our messages and I agree with yvette that this might be a teaser for us!
I also enjoyed the evil vilain David Strathairn a lot. He's good! A veeery tricky THE GUY!
These are my very first notices about the episode.
Re: We should kiss...I think the writers ARE reading the posts, and IMHO, I think they're taking the mickey out of shipping fans, because of the banter/kiss scenes' "Monk Reaction" shot. It's always a, "Yeah, that'll happen" look.
I find it amusing.
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Jul 26 2008, 11:54 AM)
Maybe he used a rare species of North Korean Oleander -- which can kill a victim in just a few minutes.
It would have to be deadlier ... to live in a country like North Korea.
It would have to be deadlier ... to live in a country like North Korea.
O-kay. Whatever gets your juices going...
I missed a few minutes of last night's episode. Did the lady explain why she hadn't left her husband when she knew he was planning to kill her?
He woulld find her because he's a super-genius. It wouldn't matter.
Ok--so as quite possibly the biggest Monk/Natalie shipper on this board I have to say that the "We should kiss" line made me so giddy! Please, Please, Please tell me that the writers are foreshadowing!
The episode as a whole was awesome! I thought David did an amazing job as a guest star. And I thought the plot was pretty strong as well. I was glad to see Emmy too. She's growing up so fast!
The episode as a whole was awesome! I thought David did an amazing job as a guest star. And I thought the plot was pretty strong as well. I was glad to see Emmy too. She's growing up so fast!
As a super-Disher-fan, this will be a Randy-centric post. (Surprise)
I have to say Randy has totally changed from season one. He completely agreed with Monk when Monk said it was murder and not a heart attack.
What was that look that Randy/Natalie were giving each other? It kinda weirded me out.
Uh, said this before, but Randy isn't Stottlemeyer's housekeeper. Leland needed to clean up his own mess.
I loved the "we couldn't afford it" line.
I have to say Randy has totally changed from season one. He completely agreed with Monk when Monk said it was murder and not a heart attack.
What was that look that Randy/Natalie were giving each other? It kinda weirded me out.
Uh, said this before, but Randy isn't Stottlemeyer's housekeeper. Leland needed to clean up his own mess.
I loved the "we couldn't afford it" line.
QUOTE (Jam_JavaJunkie @ Jul 26 2008, 01:19 PM)
Ok--so as quite possibly the biggest Monk/Natalie shipper on this board I have to say that the "We should kiss" line made me so giddy! Please, Please, Please tell me that the writers are foreshadowing!
The episode as a whole was awesome! I thought David did an amazing job as a guest star. And I thought the plot was pretty strong as well. I was glad to see Emmy too. She's growing up so fast!
The episode as a whole was awesome! I thought David did an amazing job as a guest star. And I thought the plot was pretty strong as well. I was glad to see Emmy too. She's growing up so fast!
I think they were just teasing the shippers. Breckman and Sharpling have already stated
Spoiler:
Apparently the Monk/Stotts shippers are going all ecstatic about the "don't break my heart" line, as well.
QUOTE (Jam_JavaJunkie @ Jul 26 2008, 01:19 PM)
Ok--so as quite possibly the biggest Monk/Natalie shipper on this board I have to say that the "We should kiss" line made me so giddy! Please, Please, Please tell me that the writers are foreshadowing!
I'm giddy just reading about this! LOL. This sucks not having cable. Even if the writers never follow through and officially have them get together, I love all the teasing we keep getting throughout the seasons. Their scenes are just so adorable it drives me crazy. I'm actually glad they haven't kissed or anything during the series cuz it keeps the question going I think it would be much worse to have them kiss in an episode and Monk end up being disgusted and that be the end of that.
The only reason I think for Monk and Natalie not to get together is that she has kissed the Leper!
QUOTE (jill56 @ Jul 26 2008, 11:48 AM)
Help me understand something: Didn't Trudy get blown up by a car bomb? Which I seem to remember that in
earlier eppies it was mentioned, not just killed but many small pieces of her? Then several seasona ago an eppy
about donating her eyes to a woman with RP (Retinitous Pigmentosa), which in any case, eye transplants are not
done.
So last night, we hear how when she was dying.....she reached out her hands to Monk and held them just so. Odd,
I thought he was in another place when she was blown up.
Now don't get me wrong, I love Monk and watch every week (or tape when I cannot), however some issues in
the shows are not exactly protrayed with continuity...what about Stottlemeyer's ex-wife and kids? what about
Disher's looney mother? what about Monk's brother and father? But especially I have issues with the writers
not doing enough research on topics they implant in the series.
--------------
Save the earth, it's the only planet with chocolate!
earlier eppies it was mentioned, not just killed but many small pieces of her? Then several seasona ago an eppy
about donating her eyes to a woman with RP (Retinitous Pigmentosa), which in any case, eye transplants are not
done.
So last night, we hear how when she was dying.....she reached out her hands to Monk and held them just so. Odd,
I thought he was in another place when she was blown up.
Now don't get me wrong, I love Monk and watch every week (or tape when I cannot), however some issues in
the shows are not exactly protrayed with continuity...what about Stottlemeyer's ex-wife and kids? what about
Disher's looney mother? what about Monk's brother and father? But especially I have issues with the writers
not doing enough research on topics they implant in the series.
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Save the earth, it's the only planet with chocolate!
I'm hesitant to pipe up here since I haven't watched each and every episode from the beginning but I thought it funny that Monk would remember that Trudy could only grab both his hands in the ambulance and not be able to speak but in another episode say her last words were bread and butter. I'm confused.
QUOTE (CrystalSmith @ Jul 26 2008, 02:26 PM)
I think they were just teasing the shippers. Breckman and Sharpling have already stated
Apparently the Monk/Stotts shippers are going all ecstatic about the "don't break my heart" line, as well.
Spoiler:
Apparently the Monk/Stotts shippers are going all ecstatic about the "don't break my heart" line, as well.
Yeah, I know that. But hopefully, they're going to change their minds and it's not just teasing.
QUOTE (ramblinman1957 @ Jul 26 2008, 02:38 PM)
I'm hesitant to pipe up here since I haven't watched each and every episode from the beginning but I thought it funny that Monk would remember that Trudy could only grab both his hands in the ambulance and not be able to speak but in another episode say her last words were bread and butter. I'm confused.
I just went back and rewatched portions of Mr. Monk Meets Dale the Whale, and it doesn't actually say that Monk was there when Trudy said her last words. Dale says that he learned of them from the coroner's report. Later when Monk was talking to Sharona, he says he thought they were a message for him, but he doesn't say that he was there when she said them.
I was thinking she told her last words to the paramedics -- I can almost hear that being said -- but I can't find it -- it wasn't in the Dale the Whale episode. I'm almost thinking it might have been in Mrs. Monk -- but I'll have to check that out later -- unless anyone knows offhand.
QUOTE (Jam_JavaJunkie @ Jul 26 2008, 03:26 PM)
Yeah, I read that. But hopefully, they're going to change their minds and it's not just teasing.
I agree! I mean if they don't that's fine and Ill respect the writers decision (by the way Crystal I also inda think Randy/Natalie are cute too especially after watching the wedding episode)...but the series hasn't ended yet so until then nothing is set in stone and I refuse to believe the writers want to end the series with Monk being miserable and lonely. I also can't imagine Natalie being able to keep a boyfriend for more than a few episodes unless he has a high tolerance for Monk.
QUOTE (Jatelovr58 @ Jul 26 2008, 04:34 PM)
I agree! I mean if they don't that's fine and Ill respect the writers decision (by the way Crystal I also inda think Randy/Natalie are cute too especially after watching the wedding episode)...but the series hasn't ended yet so until then nothing is set in stone and I refuse to believe the writers want to end the series with Monk being miserable and lonely. I also can't imagine Natalie being able to keep a boyfriend for more than a few episodes unless he has a high tolerance for Monk.
I don't actually ship Randy/Nat either. I'd like Randy to get lucky w/ anyone, really.
I was wondering about that look, tho. Seems like they were mad at each other or something.
QUOTE (CrystalSmith @ Jul 26 2008, 03:37 PM)
I don't actually ship Randy/Nat either. I'd like Randy to get lucky w/ anyone, really.
I was wondering about that look, tho. Seems like they were mad at each other or something.
I was wondering about that look, tho. Seems like they were mad at each other or something.
I havent got to see the episode yet...hmmm..secret breakup? haha. they looked kind of close sitting together in the bank episode. haha. But yeah, I'm a big randy fan too. I'd date him.
QUOTE (Jatelovr58 @ Jul 26 2008, 09:27 PM)
The only reason I think for Monk and Natalie not to get together is that she has kissed the Leper!
Good point here! And very important one, I almost forgot that, lol!! (that even more explains the look on Monk's face after "we should kiss" part)
Although I'm not a big Monk/Natalie shipper (that could wish for their love happily ever after), I kinda like these accidental(?) and unexpected twists... (or teasers?)
Completely off-topic of the current conversation in this thread (I'm not much for the whole shipping thing and not really pro or con with it--wherever it goes or doesn't go, I'm fine with that) but having seen this episode now another 8 times, I have to say I am still thoroughly dazzled.
I haven't seen an episode yet that someone couldn't poke a hole or two in, so I'm never looking for perfection. If I see negatives in one, I say what I think or what I don't like and then I say why and move on--after taking several lawn darts in the back and being accused of being negative. lol.
It seems the first episode was mixed in the way it was received, although everyone seemed content with the way they resolved Kroger's departure and Bell's introduction with Stanley's passing. The second episode seems to have been received very well by most. For me, all remaining season seven episodes must withstand comparison to this episode. It was just outstanding.
I haven't seen an episode yet that someone couldn't poke a hole or two in, so I'm never looking for perfection. If I see negatives in one, I say what I think or what I don't like and then I say why and move on--after taking several lawn darts in the back and being accused of being negative. lol.
It seems the first episode was mixed in the way it was received, although everyone seemed content with the way they resolved Kroger's departure and Bell's introduction with Stanley's passing. The second episode seems to have been received very well by most. For me, all remaining season seven episodes must withstand comparison to this episode. It was just outstanding.
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jul 26 2008, 11:03 AM)
That was the best episode they've ever filmed and written since the series began! After everyone pokes holes in it, it'll still be the best episode they've ever filmed and written since the series began. I'm floored.
Better that Run 2??? If that is the case then the writers and cast are on a role. Look out for Season 8. Boy, am I envious of you all!
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jul 26 2008, 11:54 PM)
If I see negatives in one, I say what I think or what I don't like and then I say why and move on--after taking several lawn darts in the back and being accused of being negative. lol.
Good position!
Okay, I loved the episode -- which I have already said, but one thing bugged me a little, and it hasn't improved with subsequent watchings (No where near Yvette -- I'm only at four).
But...
Toxicology While-U-Wait?
Monk says they're going to run every toxicology test in the book to find the poison that killed the first wife -- and they're in a waiting room. It takes weeks to run through some of these tests (remember Anna Nicole Smith?), and they're trying to be extra thorough. How is it that the lab can come back and say definitively that there was NO poison in her. Any idea of how many poisons they would have to check for?
I guess I can give them a little break since they really don't say how long between the results and when they exhumed the body, but -- it bugs me, you know?
But...
Toxicology While-U-Wait?
Monk says they're going to run every toxicology test in the book to find the poison that killed the first wife -- and they're in a waiting room. It takes weeks to run through some of these tests (remember Anna Nicole Smith?), and they're trying to be extra thorough. How is it that the lab can come back and say definitively that there was NO poison in her. Any idea of how many poisons they would have to check for?
I guess I can give them a little break since they really don't say how long between the results and when they exhumed the body, but -- it bugs me, you know?
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Jul 27 2008, 12:05 AM)
Okay, I loved the episode -- which I have already said, but one thing bugged me a little, and it hasn't improved with subsequent watchings (No where near Yvette -- I'm only at four).
But...
Toxicology While-U-Wait?
Monk says they're going to run every toxicology test in the book to find the poison that killed the first wife -- and they're in a waiting room. It takes weeks to run through some of these tests (remember Anna Nicole Smith?), and they're trying to be extra thorough. How is it that the lab can come back and say definitively that there was NO poison in her. Any idea of how many poisons they would have to check for?
I guess I can give them a little break since they really don't say how long between the results and when they exhumed the body, but -- it bugs me, you know?
But...
Toxicology While-U-Wait?
Monk says they're going to run every toxicology test in the book to find the poison that killed the first wife -- and they're in a waiting room. It takes weeks to run through some of these tests (remember Anna Nicole Smith?), and they're trying to be extra thorough. How is it that the lab can come back and say definitively that there was NO poison in her. Any idea of how many poisons they would have to check for?
I guess I can give them a little break since they really don't say how long between the results and when they exhumed the body, but -- it bugs me, you know?
Well, maybe this toxicology test indeed took some more time and THE GUY, Monk and others were invited only for a final examiner's statement?
"I'm not going to the DA's office waving a shrub....."
TLMAO!!!!
All the same, a couple issues:
1: Maybe i'm a little OCD, but a neat-freak germaphobe detective, and he's going around the crime scene WITHOUT GLOVES!!! Ok so technically I don't think he touched anything, but NTL.....
2: The Tombstone; Ok, I'll admit I'm into wrestling, and I've seen "Undertaker" perform many a "tombstone", but I doubt even he would be able to lift one nevermind two single-handedly, how would someone Straihan's (sp?) size supposed to do it!?!?!?!?!?
3: The autograph: An OCD detail oriented DETECTIVE and he doesn't look at something before he signs it?????? Is this Det. Adrian Monk or Col. Henry Blake (any one see Natalie's 3 day pass to Tokyo?????)
Sorry, but from a show with such raves from the fans, this is a little captain obvious to me.
Through it all though, still enjoyed the show
KA23
TLMAO!!!!
All the same, a couple issues:
1: Maybe i'm a little OCD, but a neat-freak germaphobe detective, and he's going around the crime scene WITHOUT GLOVES!!! Ok so technically I don't think he touched anything, but NTL.....
2: The Tombstone; Ok, I'll admit I'm into wrestling, and I've seen "Undertaker" perform many a "tombstone", but I doubt even he would be able to lift one nevermind two single-handedly, how would someone Straihan's (sp?) size supposed to do it!?!?!?!?!?
3: The autograph: An OCD detail oriented DETECTIVE and he doesn't look at something before he signs it?????? Is this Det. Adrian Monk or Col. Henry Blake (any one see Natalie's 3 day pass to Tokyo?????)
Sorry, but from a show with such raves from the fans, this is a little captain obvious to me.
Through it all though, still enjoyed the show
KA23
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