Pretty good episode, needed more shawn/juliet though *sigh* i thought for sure when she showed up looking amazing that there was going to be SOMETHING but sadly no, just a glance after he kissed abigail. oh and was anyone else disappointed that they broke the flash back tradition? i hope it was a one time thing 'cuz they're one of my favorite parts. but all in all it was a great episode

Hey, I loved this episode too! It was really funny and I loved the ending. I've been enjoying seeing the serious side of Shawn these past two episodes. The speech about Gus was so sweet and the conversation with Abigail really help to humanize Shawn. To think that he would actually choke and walk out on a date, that he would actually care so much about a girl, was nice to see. And it was great how they managed to turn that moment into a Shules moment. I liked the way they handled the character of Abigail and that scene. Other than that, all the characters were really funny this episode, like Henry being so nervous with Madeline and Lassiter on a date.

I don't mind that Shawn was making so many 80's references since he's always made 80's references. Maybe he likes the 80's better than the 90's even if it wasn't his generation. But they probably should have played more 90's music at the reunion since I'm sure that's what everyone else would've liked (unless they did I don't remember). But then again it was Gus putting it together. I don't know, it didn't bother me either way.

I thought it was weird that they broke flashback tradition too, but it was probably just for this episode. They probably figured that there would be enough reminiscing because it was their high school reunion so there was no need for a flashback.

Well just checked in to say I'm really loving this season of Psych!

Thanks a million! Yep, thats the song! I just bought it and I'm pretty sure it's the same version.

I didn't mind the speech at the end of the show either. Gus was bummed because everyone expected him to become somebody great as being voted the most likely person to succeed. So, Shawn made Gus look good in front of the whole class by giving him credit for the case and to explain that he has been a GREAT friend all his life.

When Shawn gave the friend speech about Gus, he look like he was going to cry. When Shawn see Henry in the car I also thought Henry was hooking up with his x-wife.

i tried to find the song somewhere else but no luck =( good song choice tho absolutely loved the way they cut/used it from being the song on at the dance and then going to flood music...VERY cute!!! but speaking of which ths post is basically to rant about shawn's conversation with abby...


WOW!!! he wasn't goofy shawn spencer for that minute he was boy madly in love and it was REALLi nice o see that part of shawn...my fave part was the whole thing but the part where he described her outfit and her ripped outfit...i practicalli DiED!!! omg it so cute!!! i love him!!! but anyways..when he said he mighta liked her too much it made me think how mature he had to be to see what he had worked so hard for walk away...it melted my heart and i wanted to hug him!!! when he had the tickets italso made you realize how he did REALLi care and that he hadnt forgotten about her...all in all this was a great defining moment for season three!!! and it has to be one of (if not my) favorite serious shawn moents...*sigh*...i think i'm good...



P.S. to all the dane cook fans who were watching...did you hear gus say snarky at the end in the montage thing!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! i was freakin out LOL dude btw that montage was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cute!!! at the end when gus says psychhhhhhhhhhhh and shawn puts his fist in the air and they freeze frame like breakfast club...VERi cute!!! did anyone know what shawn was wearing??? the robe thing i mean...it stumped me...=D

Not a problem. Yeah, I got tired of waiting and bought it too. lol

Enjoy!

I know I already posted, but this episode was extremely funny and the things that did were priceless. I thought Abigail was really cute, but I don't think they're going to do Shules any time soon. They just want to dangle it in front of us until it isn't funny anymore . I think Henry is so cute when he stutters with Madeleine and stuff. Also the end was very funny and the speech Shawn did for Gus was so nice and shows that he truly cares about Gus. One of my (many) favorite quotes from this episode is, "Homicide Howie!"

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I think that was just a reference to "Pretty In Pink" and nothing more.

It's a refrence to Sixteen Candles....Anthony Michael Hall and Molly Ringwald are sitting in a car in the shop ......

Also, Jules pink dress was very similar to Molly Ringwalds in "Pretty in Pink."

Those 80's movies were great.....and now that I think about the episode....Shawn was the only one who got all those refrences as well. Everyone looked at him like he was werid when he quoted them....so I guess it was just goofy Shawn.

I was watching some clips on the psych page and I watch the writer's commentary for the episode and apparently they shot over a half hour more worth of scenes. There were like a few storylines that they had but they had to cut it out. One was that the reason why Juliet wore a prom dress was because she was stood up at the prom and didn't go and at the end, for the reunion king and queen, Shawn fixed the ballot and put her name on it for queen and one of the guys who were complaining about being rejects in high school as king. And that at the end he turns to her and tells her "this is what would have happened if you went to prom" or something like that. I thought that would have been awesome to watch, what do you guys think? FInding that out, I'm curious to know what other stuff is missing. Maybe it will be on the season 3 dvd set.

See, now the way I saw it, the speech was awesome!!!! He did not go overboard at all. Plus the reason he said what he did was because Gus was the planner of the event AND after Gus showed the video that he made for the reunion, it was all kinds of "dorky" pictures of himself with other classmates and the reunion attendees didn't seem impressed or didn't seem to like it. It was Shawn sticking up for Gus. I could be wrong but I just thought it was a typical moment of him coming in and saving the moment for Gus so he wouldn't look like an idiot.

Why did Shawn ask his father for his underpants?? Well, in typical Shawn fashion, after a "serious moment" he jokingly asked his dad for his underpants. He wasn't serious, he said after that that he was making iconic references all night and that he did it cause they were sitting in the car. He was just being Shawn, funny. He wasn't actually going to take his dads undies, it was supposed to be a lighthearted moment using a sixteen candles reference. That is all.

I think the 13 reunion, imo, was just another GUSism. He was supposed to have done it in time for the 10 year but was 3 years too late.

As for Henry. I think that having his ex back again is stirring up a lot of memories for him. I don't think that Henry really ever lost his feelings for Madeline, she left him and yes he was angry and moved on, but now that she's back he's happy. Remember, Cybill is only appearing on 5 episodes this year so she isn't staying(unless they decide to keep her a regular, which I hope not) so since she is leaving there shouldn't be anything serious going on.

As for the episode being funny. I don't know, I laughed quite a bit. I mean, it wasn't a roll on the floor laugh a second episode but I thought it was funny. Lassiter with that date was a riot, Shawn and gus going down into the bathroom, the hiding from that couple, I don't know I just liked it. I love the characters and it sounds dorky but it's like I feel the emotion with them and so far, no episode of Psych has been bad to me.

Awesome post sarcasmlove!!! You are so right about Shawn, with Abigail's character Shawn has a huge learning experience about his life so far and where he is or where he could be. She was a person in his past that by seeing her again helped him to realize what he wants in life. Of course, that being Juliet. Up til now he's had some crushing going on here and there, but this episode helped to open the door to that. Even James has said in interviews that he and the writers don't want Shawn and Juliet too serious because then they get together and he said Psych could have a few more seasons, then do you throw a baby into the mix??? Those were James' words. So he was saying they will take it slow. But I agree with you, some people sit down to watch the show and just want laughs, understandable, but to those of us who really connect with the characters we need to have more than just laughs. Kudos to the writers and the actors to be able to convey those feelings to us viewers. Personally, I found the scenes between Abigail and Shawn extremely sweet. This was a high school reunion, which can bring back a lot of memories for people and the way the two acted together, I literally felt their feelings, they did an awesome job as two adults who as teens had a huge crush on each other and now had to deal with those feelings. It really felt real to me. I guess it's the girl in me. But how would a lot of us act if we were to confront, face to face, an old crush???

What were the Shawn Abigail bashings on others sites all about???

Oh yeah. I'm all about Shules, but the producers and James & Maggie, have stated that they are taking it slow, but we are guaranteed Shules this season. There's another moment coming up before season 3.0 is done and I can't wait.

HA! And yes, James said jokingly if they get them together too soon, to keep everything fresh they'll have to bring in a child LOL. I agree with all the producers and actors though, keep dangling it in front of us, the chase is more fun, but throw in special moments like Shawn's epiphany the other night when he looked at Jules and I'm happy. They love each other But like I said before we're gonna get another Bounty Hunter's esque moment in an episode coming up. I know which one it is, but I don't wanna spoil it if people don't wanna know. And James and Maggie, and the producers have stated that there will be times where it seems as though they're really moving toward Shawn and Juliet getting together, but then proceed to pull it back. It's their little moments that speak volumes though, it'll happen eventually. And according to James in one of the interviews him and Maggie did, it'll be in season seven and he'll no longer be on the show LMAO! Maggie also said by then she'll be playing his mom. Those two crack me up.

Yeah, I'm not going to lie the interaction between Shawn and Abigail was cute. Seeing Shawn like that was wonderful, I give major props to my boy Mr. Roday for that. His character development of Shawn is absolutely genius and wonderful. I love James

And yeah, they did a good job with that, cause I mean facing an old crush...especially one you're that into...oh gosh

Oh and they weren't bashing Shawn and Abigail, some individuals just ran with it crazy style and were all about shipping Shawn and Abigail and totally booting Shawn and Jules outta the picture lol. And I'm like...it's all a set up for Shawn and Juliet...it'll happen eventually, and I'm willing to wait. It makes me happy though that they are showing more of Shawn's maturity this season, good job James.

Woo, okay, I'm done for now lol.

Okay, I get it, they were confused and you were trying to say, NO, it's not what you think!!

I agree to about Shules. The teases are great and it makes you want to see them get together but then, if you think about it, once they do---the chase is over, no more teases. It can possibly get boring, then would Juliet end up knowing that Shawn is a fake psychic, you just have to take that road really really slow. Like you said, a tease here or there, like the glance across the dance floor, is just enough to put a flitter in my stomach and a smile on my face and leaving me wanting more. That's the way it should be. Did you notice that the You Tube interview I posted was the same thing from the stills you put up?? They are so cute.

You need to put the actors and the characters they play into separate catagories. You can't watch Henry Spencer and then say "Corbin wouldn't do that or Corbin wasn't like that". It's the characters we are watching not Cybill and Corbin.

***Watch the writer commentary section about this episode. I belive Andy Berman(sp?) was the writer. He explains almost everything behind writing this episode. It has nothing to do with the fact that the guys graduated in the 90's. The writing crew want to have cultural references in the shows and this one was written with John Hughes movies in mind. They are even going to do a disco episode, so they are all over the eras. Plus, Shawn makes many 80's references in seasons 1 and 2, so the fact that this takes place doesn't surprise me. But to listen to the writer explaining the whole premise etc. it helps clear the air.

I watched the episode this morning and thought it was brilliant!
I loved Shawn and Gus in this episode. And I LOVED the speech
at the end. .... It was perfect. I liked Abigail and I liked his little
talk with her andt hen the kiss. Lassiter was great with his crazy
date and then booking her. Jules was wonderful as always and I loved
Henry and Cybill. I hope that Cybill is in more episodes ... they have
great chemistry. All in all it was a great episode that I enjoyed very much!

Yeah, Friday's ep was as Jame's said, a point where Shawn had to start facing the music with that lightbulb moment about Juliet. I look forward to seeing the development of that relationship and like I said before Friday was a pretty pivotal step for Shawn.

Yeah...they'll end up together...it might be in the series finale lol, but I don't doubt that eventually they'll end up happily ever after.

Okay, I am REALLY HOGGING these boards today and I am sorry but I wanted to respond to so much stuff!!! I think the reasoning behind the "no" flashback was the fact that the writer of this episode in the commentary said that they had so much footage for this episode, like an entire half hour extra that they had to cut and splice to fit into an hour show. So they probably didn't have the time for the flashback. That's my take.

The jackets he's wearing in the end was supposed to be like Bender's jacket in "The Breakfast Club"; they were putting a lantern on the fist wave thing.

BTW, Rachel Leigh Cook (Abigail) is most famous for being the female lead in "She's All That" - a post-Hughes teenage high-school film that also starred Dulé Hill.. The reason that there were so many 80s teenage movie reference is that that was the time that such movies ruled.

Loved loved loved this episode. I think people have this misconception about people Shawn's age. I happen to be "Shawn's age" and I got most of the movie references. I'm sure there are some I will pick up on later after repeated viewing. Watching Psych there are always little things you may not catch at first. The movies that they refer to are the movies I grew up watching and know by heart- Sixteen Candles, Pretty in Pink, Breakfast Club, Some Kind of Wonderful, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, etc. This has become one of my top 5 fav episodes. I can't choose just one favorite episode of Psych- it's not fair. For some reason I swear Shawn's "Gus speech" is from a movie too- maybe not verbatim but the idea of it- I just can't place it. Oh well, maybe they will talk about it on the DVD. Their commentary is hilarious. Ok I'm babbling so I'll go.

To tell the truth, the mid-90's were sort of forgettable (I graduated high school at that time) - apart from a lot of one-hit wonders - and most of the memorable movies were on the serious side (Pulp Fiction, Usual Suspects, etc) rather than the comedic side (only one comes to mind - Groundhog's Day). The 80's movies, on the other hand, were really iconic.

The most humorous thing for me is the fact that Lassiter always tends to end up with the "eccentric" (to put it lightly) women: the date he met at the Ravi Shankar concert, which is funny since Raviji always performs in Santa Barbara -- I've even seen him perform once there (might not be such a bad idea for a cameo, huh?); the judge from American Duos; the artist he mentions to have dated once; and so on. Perhaps his ex was a bit "too stable"?

hahaha! And the actor he said he dated who had a nose ring.

Edit to add: Actress...lol

I kind of think the same way, the 90's are a strange decade. Not a lot of notable movies/music/history. The kids born in the late 70's like Shawn would be, grew up more so in the 90's but more things happened in the 80's. They arent too much out of the loop to have been into that era.

I literally just got done watching the episode again, and you know what, it gets better. I don't think that it is any less funny than most other episodes. Plus the scene at the end with Shawn and Abigail is just priceless. Such good acting by everyone.

Oops, I remembered the moment but just got the movies mixed up. Been a long time since I saw either one, lol.

I always thought that a committee got together and planned High School Reunions. For my class reunion, there was more than one person planning it. Anyway, I guess Gus was the only one that really loved school. Yes, the people showed up, but he was the only one that planned the reunion. That's could be why it took him so long. He had to work by himself to find out how to contact everyone, decorate the gym and make badges. He did say that there was 300 + people that attended, right?

I couldn't help but wonder, where was Gus' high school crush?

Didn't someone or more than one person wrote that Gus was most likely to succeed? Well, he is doing good. He has a good paying job and he works for Psych.

It figures that Shawn wouldn't know where anything was, besides the girls locker room. How did he graduate from school? I guess because of Gus' help. Shawn is lucky to have a friend like Gus. It's cute that they have been best friends since they were five years old.

LOL, I know it's not funny, but I guess Shawn and Gus only had one bully in school and that was the man that raced horses. Poor thing he died.

no, for most blondes, the bottom layers of hair are darker than the top layers so when they go curly their hair actually ends up looking darker, fyi

yea, i did notice that her hair looked darker. thanks! and welcome to the board!

now, i thought it was really wierd how, with shawn's observation skills, didn't realize that he was in the gym! did anyone else notice that, or is it just me?!?!

Edit to add: i agree with archieve about gus with his crushes. i mean, really, shawn has had, what, about 7 kisses, and where is gus? gus is at 0. i don't know about everyone else, but i was kinda hoping that gus would get some this ep. lol!

C'mon, Gus did get married to Mira! Hurracane Mira to be precise, during college. Remember Gus was the one who ended it.

And if you watch the international pilot, Lucinda, Lassiter's first partner noted to Shawn: "You could have been valedictorian until you started failing to show up. You could have gone to college, instead of having all these meanless jobs. You could be running IBM." To Shawn's response: "Why would I do that?"

Shawn didn't care about anything about high school except for Abigail and probably didn't want to hurt her, so he choked. That is why Shawn said to Gus: "Why should you care what anyone here thinks of you?" So true, which is probably why I never cared what my classmates thought of me and never attended any of my reunions.

No, she went back to her natural hair color (brown). The blonde look was better.

oh, yea! forgot that one! so now its like, what, 7-1?!?!?!

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I absolutely loved this episode. Made me laugh and remember all the things I loved about the 80's and early 90's. The whole Breakfast club theme was way awesome..... I also have missed the early scenes...Hopefully this week. Psych rulesss

Another good episode. This show is just laugh out loud funny. Being a big Monk fan and being disappointed in how that show has started the new season, I can understand the frustration of those that feel Psych has not been all that they hope for. But not for me, this show is just so funny, a varitable barrel of laughs.

Really??? I think that she's gorgeous with her natural hair. The blone looked too fake for me... She looked like a barbie doll! The first time I saw her with brown hair I was shocked. I believe my exact words were: Huh... so she IS pretty... Who knew?

Wow... WOW. An episode of PSYCH that actually made me cry like a baby. Helplessly. A far FAR better episode than the premiere. Wow. I have to thank Andy Berman for writing this episode, and everyone else who was involved in putting it together. A longer review follows after I've composed myself.

really...i think maggie's hair was pretty blonde...hmm...

Did anyone catch it when Shawn explained the reason for missing all of the Football games on Friday night---He was watching episodes of Step by Step, which is funny considering that the show actually did come on Friday nights during that time.

steve franks/andy berman...doin their homework =D lol funny cause most of the times they dont...and they even say that...but the show is still AMAZiNG!!!

WTF???? Really, what? This is the secod episode that's made me go "wait, what?" at the end. I liked it better than the pilot, but what?

In the pilot it was the "she left us!" comment when in fact apparently Shawn's mom was the one who moved out. He may have thought his dad initiated the divorce, but "left us" made no sense. Especially since mothers usually get custody in such cases, or else there is shared custody, so if Shawn ended up living with his dad his senior year there was definitely no leaving--either his mother would have to voluntarily give up custody (as she did) or his dad would have to fight a pretty steep legal battle... and it goes beyond suspension of disbelief that Shawn wouldn't be aware of that.

Someone suggested that initially Shawn's dad may have moved out, but this was not stated anywhere in the episode, so it's all left to conjecture and grasping at straws to make the facts fit. That's bad writing.

Anyway, in this episode the "closure" at the end made no sense. If Shawn had simply regretted not showing up that night, but accepted at the end that the moment had passed, that things may have been differen, but this was now and he could not go back in time--but could tell Abby why he never showed up... that would have worked. And his dad set it up for him by saying "you wouldn't eb who you are now" or whatnot. But that's not how it went!! Instead we got that whole speech of Shawn's about this being a new moment of opportunity, and if he could do something, bla bla bla, seeming to set it up for him wanting to see if they could maybe have something now... only to immediately backpedal when he saw/remembered Juliet. I wanted Abigail to slap him when he suddenly bust out "where do we go from now? I guess that was closure!" after more or less asking her out. It just seemed to be a repeat of his first rejection of her. In high school he asked her out but then didn't show up, and here he asked her out but then immediately turned around as though it never happened.

Now, I guess it could be a nod to those John Hughes movies with a gender reversal--as Shawn said, there's always a love triangle, and both Abby and Juliet were dressed in pink prom dresses... so two Molly Ringwarlds from Pretty in Pink to one male love interest as opposed to one girl in pink and two guys... and that was the movie where the ending had to be changed and a lot of people felt that Molly choosing the guy she chose was too sudden and didn't feel right... but that's hardly something to imitate!

Can anyone tell me who the Judd Nelson lookalike was in the crowd after Shawn's explanation of the crime? The resemblance was VERY strong, but whoever it was is not in the IMDB cast listing, so I'm very curious. I actually took a picture with my camera, to see if anybody could identify him. I hope it's not a breach, but if anybody can tell me who this is, I'd be very grateful

So it's clear that there's a lot to talk about in this episode but I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the "No body, No crime" theme in the episode.

The fact that Shawn asked Lassiter if "They put that on a t-shirt" makes me really want them to make that into a t-shirt.

Also: I liked the episode. It didn't totally suck.

i KNOW!!! hmm...i just wish they'd add more psych merch to the store in general

After being somewhat letdown by the previous episode, I was really bowled over by this one. It had everything that I loved about Psych, and then some. Being a child of the 80's, their tribute to the decade extended beyond mere trivia, and I found myself actually cheering during moments of recognition and familiarity. At first it seemed strange because it was the class of 95, you would expect them to be bopping to something like “Smells like Teen Spirit” and yet they're bopping to “Don't You Forget About Me” and “Love is a Battlefield”. But that's allright.

Some have complained about the lack of a flashback. To be honest, I didn't even notice. When you think more about it, what would they flashback to that would be appropriate for the current story? An appropriate flashback would be to their high school, perhaps teen Sean pursuing and kept being rebuffed by the teen Abigail or Gus being a Pep Captain and Sean teasing him for it. That's the flashback era that would have most resonance with the story being told. A flashback to kid Sean and Gus would be a bit out of place.

Brilliant casting choice of Rachael Leigh Cook for Abigail. I've never seen her in anything before, but a casual glance to IMDB and I realize she seems to be quite a busy and very popular actress. I loved her performance. You can actually see how Sean would fall in love with her because you kind of fall in love with her as well. Towards the end I thought well, I guess they're done with the Sean-Juliet thing because for a moment there you thought Sean was going to really go for Abigail. It was very smart and subtle how they chose to end it, with Sean's simple suggestion of “closure”.

I am glad that they still have a line on the Sean-Juliet thing, although I do agree that they should never consummate it. Just hints here and there would be great. It's a formula that worked great with Mork and Mindy (a show that went downhill as soon as Mork and Mindy hooked up), Moonlighting, X-Files, and more currently, Bones. Lately, you would think the “relationship” was non existent and how everyone seemed to forget about it. Even Sean tells Juliet “You've had your shot!” during “Shawn and Gus of the Dead”, an offhand comment I took to be a period to that relationship. With Maggie being almost completely absent from the season premiere, I thought, “What the heck are they doing with this character? It's too bad!”. I'm glad Juliet is back into this season and into this episode, in a rather big way.

I found it strange though, that after Sean dragged Juliet into the reunion to size up Howie and Eileen, Juliet seemed to just disappear with much of a say so. Even my wife noticed. “Where's Juliet?”. We won't see her until later at the police station.

One of the reasons I love Psych is the awesome chemistry between Sean and Gus. I'm very glad that James and Dulé hit it off and have fantastic chemistry between them. If they didn't ,we probably won't all be here. For much of the episode I thought Sean was kind of nasty and cruel to Gus, specially during that bit upon entering the girls' locker room. But wow, Sean pretty much vindicated himself with this speech. People said that bit was cheesy. I didn't think so, although I understand how it could be perceived as such. But one must remember, this episode is a hardcore tribute to the 80's. And the cheesy speeches are part and parcel of those great 80's movies that a lot of us love. Of course there's the precious bits like Gus' voiceover, Gus and Sean in the trenchcoat in the football field. I'm completely geeking out on all of it. To many young people a lot of this might be going over their heads. I guess I can kind of admit that the writers, including the ever improvising James Roday, probably induldge themselves a little too much with all this trivia. But hey, get it or not, it's still hilarious how the deliver it.

Sean and Abigail reaching “closure” on their relationship was incredibly sweet, as was Sean's speech for his best friend Gus, but in my opinion, there's nothing more sweeter than Henry in his episode. You can tell he still truly loves his wife a lot. When she tells Henry “We must have done something right.”, Henry's response of “That was all you.” literally drove me to tears. All of a sudden we realize how tragic a character Henry has become in all these past two seasons. For many many years Henry took Sean's anger towards him, took it, and never once tried to explain what truly happened, perhaps so it won't sully Sean's memory of his mother. For years all Henry did was try to reach out to his son, but his hand was kept being slapped back by Sean and each and every time Henry took it. I'm very glad that we see Sean opening up to his father, having a serious discussion with him without anyone trying to bite each other's head off. It seems the revelation of the truth during the last episode had some kind of effect.

As for the plot? It's pretty standard. Who was it that all stories have already been told and we're all just repeating stories over and over? There's a lot of truth in that. What makes a story great, no matter how many times we have seen it, is HOW the story is told. And this story was told with much humor, much heartfelt emotion, brought to life by truly great acting. I really can't ask for anything more.

Congrats to the writers, actors, producers and everyone who contributed to putting this episode together. I really let you have it in the last episode, but this time around, I give you much props. You all deserve it!

AGREED!

wow your entire post was right on but this is probably the part that well...um...i couldnt agree with you more (?) if that makes sense...i think that cook is a FANASTiC actress and i agree with you...they closed it very nicely with closure...it was really cute and it kinda took a weight off your shoulders thinkin about addding in a new character and how it would affect shules and what not but the closure thing was pure genius...my hat's off to the writers for writing that and james and rachael for playing it out SO well...