What if Trudy was pregnant at the time of her death, without Monk knowing? I know Monk is afraid of that sort of action (see Mr. Monk and the Paperboy and Mr. Monk and the Red Herring especially), but maybe his fear is that he doesn't want anyone to know that he unwillingly succumbed to Trudy's attractiveness once. Maybe even Dale knows and will taunt him about it? I don't know, I think I just want to see his response, mostly because he isn't the greatest fan of children. Maybe he will become more determined to find Trudy's killer than he is already? What do you think?

Have you seen Mr. Monk Vs. the Cobra? In this episode, Monk wished he had said yes to Trudy when she wanted to have children. (This occurred during his psychotic break in which he and Trudy were talking while he was buried alive inside of the coffin.)

I can also remember an episode where Dr. Kroger asks him about his sexual relationship with his late wife and Monk responds by saying that they once holded hands for the whole night, Dr. Kroger laughs and insists with his question, but Monk avoids it.
Also in Mr. Monk and the little Monk, when his old friend from high school arrives, Monk says to Natalie "Tell her we went all the way!" which was an obvious lie at the moment. So, no she wasn't pregnant... at least not from Monk.
I think that "Mr. Monk and the kid" will satisfy your curiosity about Monk as a father. He did quite well in this episode.

I think if Monk found out that Trudy was pregnant when she died, it would really push him over the edge. As to the question about the physical aspect of their marriage...of course they "went all the way." Monk was not as OCD then, he loved Trudy, why wouldn't they?

If it was found out that she was pregnant there would probably be a debate on whether to tell Monk knowing how he would react to that information. It would definately hurt him because that would mean two lives were lost instead of just one.

I think as far as Monk is concerned, he already feels like two lives were lost instead of one; Trudy's and his own.

Jesus man, what more do you need to realize they probably didn't have a sexual relationship? The whole show is full of hints about that, and NOT A SINGLE ONE about the opposite. But still you are 100% sure they did it!

Well they were married, and who cares if they did or didn't? I think that Adrian finding out that Trudy was with child when she died would just devastate him to no end. I'm hoping that the mystery of her death will be solved by the final episode, but I would definitely want Adrian to be "over" that by then.

Andrea

I hope they do wrap up the case as well

Probably because she can't get pregnant without sex. Logical deduction.

Dude are you seriously going to get into an argument about whether or not a fictional, adult, consenting, married couple had sex or not? Why are you so invested in the idea that they didn't? Why get upset if someone else thinks they did? There have to be a million and one better things to take a stand on.

No way she was pregnant. Unless they had the most incompetent ME of on the face of the Earth then they would have been done an auptosy and figured that one out.

Simply given the writing, I don't think that Adrian and Trudy had gone all the way. Lobby made all the points I was going to.

I don't think there's an argument going on. It's just that you seem to say that it is quite likely and possible that they did have sex. That's fine. But all the evidence points to the lack of sex. And I think that lobby is just saying that you're convinced. That doesn't mean lobby is saying that you're wrong or that he/she is right. The bottom line is that throughout the show, there isn't any indication that Adrian was comfortable with having sex.

In today's day and age, it may be hard to imagine getting married without having sex, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't. Some people just aren't very sexually inclined and may choose to get married for love, with sex being a very distant need.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I don't think it's likely that Trudy was pregnant at the time. Adrian said they didn't try for it and he regretted it. As one poster had said, the ME would've had to been utterly incompetent.

But let's just say for the sake of imagination that he did have an unborn child. I'd say that Adrian would be entirely destroyed. I don't think his current path of actions would be much different: maybe he would've taken longer to get out of his house.

And yeah, I'm surprised that there isn't more being done to advance this storyline. I'm sure that we'll see much more of it as the series comes to an end.

Uhh...guys? Family board...can we stop obsessing over sex? Like Andrea said, they were happily married, so it doesn't really matter if they did or didn't. As Jeff Foxworthy once said, "You don't get married just to have sex, getting married to have sex is just like taking the 707 to get a bag of peanuts." In other words...who really cares? And like Liv said, it's nothing to get into an argument over.

Meanwhile, back on the topic we started out with: I think that's a smart idea, okay, maybe I wouldn't invest in it because that would add just WAY too much drama to the show. Like others pointed out, he'd feel even worse knowing that two lives had been lost. Just too much. But, I like your thinking, hereswhathappened.

-chik

What I was saying was that this is not worth lobby getting as upset as he/she seemed to be getting over whether or not fictional married people actually had a real married life or not.

But if we are going to go there, I'd like to point out that all that *has* been shown conclusively is that he is uncomfortable talking about himself engaging in sexual activity which is not the same thing at all. A lot of people are uncomfortable talking about sex, or themselves engaging in sexual activity, and a lot of those people *do* have children. Also, I would argue that there has been no evidence presented so far that would, with 100% certainty, point to either conclusion of whether he has or has not been sexually involved with anyone, though I have to say that when he said, of himself and Trudy, "We went all the way," it makes me think that if he and Trudy actually were real people in the real world, that statement, plus the fact that they were married for seven years and discussed having children would mean that they had a real marriage that included grown up married physical contact. But hey, it's all fiction, and we can all interpret it however we want to.

Actually you can. It's called In-Vitro or something like that.

First of all, I think the question of sex is irrelevant since they were happily married for seven years. If you want my opinion, I'm sure they did go all he way, at least according to Mr. Monk and the Paperboy. In this episode, Dr. Kroger asks Monk about his physical relationship with his late wife, asking if Monk and Trudy were intimate. Instead of coming out and saying no, Monk tried to avoid the subject (eventually even by singing showtunes). However, most times people have no problem responding with a "no" unless the answer is yes and we just don't want to admit it (in Monk's case he was extremely uncomfortable). You may argue that Monk's declination to speak does not prove any thing either way, the fact that he does not come right out and say "no" helps support my opinion. That, and the fact that he had discussed having children with Trudy and was not uncomfortable talking to her about it (implying that they knew each other intimately). And I know that this is irrelevant, but I just wanted to get my opinion out there.

Anyway, I think I have to agree with other posters that it would devastate Monk if Trudy were pregnant when she died. I don't even like the idea of Monk having a kid (at least during the course of the show) despite the fact that he was great in Mr. Monk and the Kid. Monk has enough trouble taking care of himself and wouldn't be ready for a child, even if his OCD did improve.

Well, if Trudy wanted to have kids, it reveals something about their personal relationship. I also think in Paperboy that Monk respected Trudy too much to discuss the issue. In Cobra, you see he is less OCD around Trudy and around the little girl, maybe having a little girl might make him see Trudy again. I think it is possible, especially since Monk is unable to lie and he said they went "all the way".

This has to be the most illogical theory I've heard and one that has been discussed before, in some detail at another time on this board. Adrian's not wanting children could be the result of many reasons. His reactions to Tommy show he can have a great relationship with a child and in one episode he talks to Benjy in the way a father would. Benjy says Adrian is only saying that because Benjy doesn't have a dad and Adrian tells him he can come to him with anything, he'll always be there for Benjy. In Birds and Bees, he comes right out and tells Julie it's not a topic he can discuss with her.

I believe Adrian feels his love life with Trudy was so special, so loving it's something he doesn't want to share...not even with Dr. K. I can't believe two people so much in love would have had a sterile love life.

And, only a very incompetant medical examiner would have missed the fact Trudy was pregnant when she died.

I think the writers have this whole scenario tied up and written, I'll leave it up to them rather than come up with my own ideas.