QUOTE (Monkish1969 @ Jul 21 2008, 01:43 PM)

Nice. So here you are asking for ways to make the forum more civilized yet you think attacking me is the way to do it. classic.
Don't presume to say that you understand what I am thinking. I am thinking that you say you can respect a differing opinion but you actually can't. You want all threads to proceed in a manner that you find acceptable. Where the people who disagree with you admit that you are right even though they have a different opinion. Where your superiority is proclaimed with every post.
Your problems with Mandeville were created by your inability to police yourself. You reacted out of anger when you should have simply disagreed with him. Don't blame other people for that. That was completely your own fault for attacking him the way you did. And here you are doing the exact same thing again.
I have no problem with anything you want to say as long as you don't presume to attack me when you post. If you are going to insist on attacking other people, which seems clear as to the way you operate, then you have no right to get upset when people defend themselves.
So again, I say, the answer is to police yourself. If you make sure that you are respectful and not trying to place restrictions on other people, then you will be fine.
First, I don't think that I actually 'attacked' you in my post. I quoted you because there was an insinuation that someone was trying to preach at others or take over the board and make others behave in a way they didn't want to. Outside of the quotes the message had nothing to do with you. As I said in my private message, if you felt I attacked you, show me my "attacking" words.
I have never said I knew or understood what you were thinking/feeling. You assume that I can't understand differing opinions (and this thread has nothing to do with 'differing opinions' or censoring other peoples words, attitudes or thoughts). I am not trying to have people post things in a manner that I find "acceptable" (show me where I said that - because what I find acceptable would bore the socks off of me. LOL). Show me where I force people to agree with me, or where I claim or make other people say that I am superior. This thread, again, is going the other way. I am saying that I need help in finding ways to hedge that need to post whatever comes to mind, which may be what I am feeling at the moment, but isn't rooted in anything but emotion (and not truth). Saying that asking for help and getting it from others who have/see the same problem is superior is akin to telling an alcoholic or a drug addict not to go to AA/NA/ whateverA meetings or they will be seen as "being superior". I need help in this area, and I'm seeking advice. If that makes you upset/angry/whatever I really can't help that.
You brought up my problems with Mandeville. You said it was my fault - which is what I posted earlier. I reacted to what confused me in anger and I posted stuff I shouldn't have. I hurt my friend. I also admitted it and apologized in the thread for it. I'm trying to get help so that I don't go off half-cocked and blast people with my words. I don't want to do that any more. Now you are claiming that 'I'm doing exactly the same thing again' with you. Please, again, show me where I hurt you with my words.
So, were you defending youself in your relpy to me, that is the question. Most of what I posted before was an admission of what I did wrong and what I was looking for when I started this thread. Then all I see in what you posted is all of my problems. How I screwed up. My problem with Mandeville. How I'm superior, how I'm trying to run the board. Wow. Is that how you 'defend yourself'? It seemed kind of like an attack to me.
And in the end, and from what I've seen on this thread, policing myself has been the plan, pretty much from the get-go. Other people have been observent enough to notice that. I, and the peope who have posted their opinions, have not strayed too far from "I" as far as what could be done to make this more user friendly. That's what I noticed. It's not about the board or the people on the board. "They" are not the problem. It's how one person responds to another person. Actually, as far as I'm concerned, you have absolutely NOTHING to do with 'my' problem. You seem not to have any problem, in fact.