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cpcass
An operative will never go armed with no round in the chamber. Michael should never have to rack his weapon before firing.
vestokes
I think he has little to worry about in an public mall. I'm no expert on guns but do you really think it's smart to walk around in public with one in the chamber? BTW, the gun is just as a precaution. I think he knows that they need him alive. He serves them no good dead.
janamom
Love this topic! I absolutely agree...anyone that carries a gun in a protection capacity would have a round in the chamber. You only get three seconds to take someone out...a spy wouldn't waste precious time on charging his weapon.

While we are on the "authenticity" subject...I've been bothered by them meeting in the cafe. Anyone being targeted would not sit in the open, on a sidewalk cafe. You are such an easy target there! The other thing is the use of cell phones. MW communicated with Sam about Carla being in Turkey (or somewhere). She is listening in on his phone calls, so she is hearing this stuff. She is going to keep throwing him for a loop.

Will say, this is an awesome show. I'm glad to see there are few "authenticity" mistakes. The writers do a great job teaching the viewers. There are great twists to how Michael helps his clients. Great show!
hrstxb
Janamom,

I agreewith vestokes.I think he has unwanted "back-up" from Carla since she ishe handler now.



The phone thing had me too since he's so paranoid about phone use.He must want her to know she messed up with her foreign language speaking. All I can say is Carla is not going to be happy with Michael.
DianaC
I beg to differ about the phone tap... let me digress for a moment. Michael knew when Sam tapped the Charger for the Fed's in the Family Business epi. He also knows how to tap a cell phone (Loose ends epi 1) Mike knows all of the capacities for cell phones... I'm not only positive he'd know if his phone was bugged (since he knows all the ways to do it), but he'd also know how to use it to his advantage. There is no doubt in my mind that Carla will hear exactly what Mike wants her to hear and nothing more. As far as one in the chamber... well I think that's a personal decision each operative makes according to the situation, of course. Michael is in a precarious position, but like stated earlier by Vestokes, his enemies are also benefitted by his abilities, and as long as he serves a purpose he will be watched/protected to a certain degree. That is until his usefulness runs out... It's a battle of life and death for Mikey, make no mistake about it.
Jolly
As for the phone, per mom...Michael goes thru cellphones like toothpicks! He probably has more than one cellphone. He knows they are listening. If he doesn't want her to know what he's talking about he need only use a different throwaway phone. Sam has been seen using more than one phone in the Wanted Man episode. He used one phone to talk to Mike and another to call the police.
damian001
QUOTE (Jolly @ Jul 20 2008, 06:42 PM) *
As for the phone, per mom...Michael goes thru cellphones like toothpicks! He probably has more than one cellphone. He knows they are listening. If he doesn't want her to know what he's talking about he need only use a different throwaway phone. Sam has been seen using more than one phone in the Wanted Man episode. He used one phone to talk to Mike and another to call the police.


This is the only smart post in the entire thread.

Michael obviously uses more than one cell phone. He has one in contact with Carla, and another one that is completely new only used to call other untapped cell phones, such as Sam's.
vestokes
QUOTE (damian001 @ Jul 20 2008, 08:46 PM) *
This is the only smart post in the entire thread.

Michael obviously uses more than one cell phone. He has one in contact with Carla, and another one that is completely new only used to call other untapped cell phones, such as Sam's.



Sorry we don't meet up to your intellectual standard. Can we all have a differing opinion without shooting each other down?

Back to the mall situation. Do you really think Carla's team would try to have a shootout in a mall? That's why they keep having meets there. I think you guys are more paranoid than he if you think you need one in the chamber with people milling about in a mall.
FireGoddess
QUOTE (vestokes @ Jul 20 2008, 11:32 PM) *
Sorry we don't meet up to your intellectual standard. Can we all have a differing opinion without shooting each other down?

Back to the mall situation. Do you really think Carla's team would try to have a shootout in a mall? That's why they keep having meets there. I think you guys are more paranoid than he if you think you need one in the chamber with people milling about in a mall.


I think that ur wrong on the not having ur wepon chambered because most ppl that I know that carry always carry cocked,locked & ready to rock because an empty gun is useless.Totally useless.
janamom
QUOTE (Jolly @ Jul 20 2008, 09:42 PM) *
As for the phone, per mom...Michael goes thru cellphones like toothpicks! He probably has more than one cellphone. He knows they are listening. If he doesn't want her to know what he's talking about he need only use a different throwaway phone. Sam has been seen using more than one phone in the Wanted Man episode. He used one phone to talk to Mike and another to call the police.


Great point on the phones. I missed seeing Sam switch phones. Sure Mike is doing the same.

Yes, his gun would be locked and loaded. Hollywood just loves having people do that with weapons. Seriously, if you're in a shoot-out, you have no time to cock your weapon. In the time you spend doing that, you would have already been shot.

I should have clarified on the cafe thing. Carla is not the only threat to MW. There are other assasins from other nations that are prolly still after him. By sitting in the open, he is just a target. No biggie on this authenticiyt thing. It would take too long to keep up with this and still have an awesome storyline.

I do love this show. I didn't think I would ever find a replacement for "Alias" when it went off the air. Yeah, now I do!
Hooch504
QUOTE (janamom @ Jul 20 2008, 10:08 PM) *
Great point on the phones. I missed seeing Sam switch phones. Sure Mike is doing the same.

Yes, his gun would be locked and loaded. Hollywood just loves having people do that with weapons. Seriously, if you're in a shoot-out, you have no time to cock your weapon. In the time you spend doing that, you would have already been shot.

I should have clarified on the cafe thing. Carla is not the only threat to MW. There are other assasins from other nations that are prolly still after him. By sitting in the open, he is just a target. No biggie on this authenticiyt thing. It would take too long to keep up with this and still have an awesome storyline.

I do love this show. I didn't think I would ever find a replacement for "Alias" when it went off the air. Yeah, now I do!


I agree, if you have to draw your weapon quickly, it should already be chambered with a round. In a crisis situation, you can forget if a round is chambered or not, and if you simply fire the weapon and it goes click, you're in big trouble. I have to carry a firearm for a living and absolutely no one I know would not have a round in the pipe. I too wish Hollywood stop with the racking of the weapon for dramatic effect. Today's audiences are far too sophisticated to overlook the fact that MW walks around without it being "ready to rock".
DianaC
QUOTE (damian001 @ Jul 20 2008, 10:46 PM) *
This is the only smart post in the entire thread.

Michael obviously uses more than one cell phone. He has one in contact with Carla, and another one that is completely new only used to call other untapped cell phones, such as Sam's.



Make no mistake you brought no 'intelligent' posts. Just your assinine opinion, might want to think about that in the future.. Is it hard to be an external rectal opening? just asking?
LGia19
QUOTE (DianaC @ Jul 22 2008, 09:48 PM) *
Make no mistake you brought no 'intelligent' posts. Just your assinine opinion, might want to think about that in the future.. Is it hard to be an external rectal opening? just asking?



LMAO, Di, ...that's gotta be the best come back so far....


the phone was an excellent point because I actually thought he had two steady phones... (seem different colors/face plates in different scenes) and also wonder who Nefi was calling.....?? interesting.... Peace.
LuLuNY
I didn't notice two sets of phones or the gun already set to use, but would assume the obvious since you never know when you need to take someone out. Sorry, I never pick apart the show on the first round up. I"m usually busy watching Mikey and whatever he does...
Catsandcrafts
QUOTE (FireGoddess @ Jul 20 2008, 11:59 PM) *
I think that ur wrong on the not having ur wepon chambered because most ppl that I know that carry always carry cocked,locked & ready to rock because an empty gun is useless.Totally useless.


Nah--you could always throw the thing... laugh.gif
surfcity
QUOTE (damian001 @ Jul 20 2008, 08:46 PM) *
This is the only smart post in the entire thread.



QUOTE (vestokes @ Jul 20 2008, 09:32 PM) *
Sorry we don't meet up to your intellectual standard. Can we all have a differing opinion without shooting each other down?



QUOTE (DianaC @ Jul 22 2008, 06:48 PM) *
Make no mistake you brought no 'intelligent' posts. Just your assinine opinion, might want to think about that in the future.. Is it hard to be an external rectal opening? just asking?


Man, Damien001, don't PO the BN fans, or they'll rake you over the coals. And for cryin' out loud, don't disagree with them.
tgirl
QUOTE (surfcity @ Jul 23 2008, 11:19 AM) *
Man, Damien001, don't PO the BN fans, or they'll rake you over the coals. And for cryin' out loud, don't disagree with them.



It doesn't sound like you've read much of what's posted here. There's lots of disagreement and debate. It's just that we want it to remain polite, because we hang out here and want it to be a place that we like to return.

If Damien had left out the "this is the only smart post in the entire thread" part he'd have been fine. Disagree, but just don't insult (flame) people. As you can see, flaming begets flaming, then you got upset and reacted to the anger, and so on it will go, then no one wants to participate if it continues.
LuLuNY
I think EVERYONE needs to take a MOJITO break!!! yes?
surfcity
QUOTE (tgirl @ Jul 23 2008, 11:40 AM) *
It doesn't sound like you've read much of what's posted here.


I'm glad you put me in my place.
kusa23
So many topics to talk about....where to start.....

Is the Mall the best place to meet --

1)they're out in public and it's not either one's "territory"
2) safety in numbers....if anything is going to happen, there are going to be witnesses (whether you can get them to testify is another issue). Like When Lucy Lawless met MW in the cafe "if I was going to kill you, you'd be dead by now"....why bother doing it in a public place.....
3) alot easier to escape a tail if you've got them weaving thru "traffic"



Safety on or locked and loaded --

Depends on the situation and the indivdual....in a mall scene, in my mind, it's not the brightest thing to have it in the chamber....if it gets knocked, dropped, or what not, you might end up killing a Foot Locker referee. In a car chase or related, if it goes off accidentally....ugh, I don't even want to think about it...entering an abandoned/ relatively empty part of a/ building with a POI....ready set go babe!

Phone Home

Yeah, I was a little concerned when he just picked up the phone to Sam with that little tidbit (especially in an age where tv cops et al forget to wear gloves at a crime scene! -- see rant on IPS), but I trust Mike, and he does apparently use alot of throw away phones (loved the toothpick reference!!! laugh.gif), and unless they use a product placement esque camera angle, I sure can't tell which one he's using, and for the most part, nor do I really care, so i think we can take it on faith that our boy either wanted her to know that he recognized the language/accent she had (or was using), or was using a disposable if he didn't....he'd better recycle it though smile.gif

Flaming -- agree....disagree....state your case....no one needs insults.....Opinions are like (butt cracks)....everyone has one <and they usually stink...at least some of the time laugh.gif >. Your words will speak for your thoughts...ya wanna critique the show for better or worse, go ahead, but no need to critique each other (a little encouragement is never a bad thing though smile.gif )....just....ok, revolving commentary....

Mojito break ---- I'm always game for that LuLu biggrin.gif





Ok, did I miss anything??????



wub.gif to all





KA23 cool.gif


edited for clarity
cnick6
Ask any LEO or Federal Agent. If you carry a firearm (handgun, shotgun) then you always go Condition 1 (cocked and locked.)

Like someone said above - carrying a firearm without a round in the chamber - is just carrying a useless hunk of steel. I suppose you could throw it hard enough. rolleyes.gif
Chrisisall
IMO Michael just likes to challenge himself. rolleyes.gif
CAGilder
QUOTE (cnick6 @ Jul 23 2008, 04:28 PM) *
Like someone said above - carrying a firearm without a round in the chamber - is just carrying a useless hunk of steel. I suppose you could throw it hard enough. rolleyes.gif


Isn't that what you're supposed to do when you run out of bullets? Whenever we're watching television and the shooter runs out of bullets, my husband and I shout at the screen, "Throw the gun!"

They usually do... smile.gif
vestokes
QUOTE (tgirl @ Jul 23 2008, 11:40 AM) *
It doesn't sound like you've read much of what's posted here. There's lots of disagreement and debate. It's just that we want it to remain polite, because we hang out here and want it to be a place that we like to return.

If Damien had left out the "this is the only smart post in the entire thread" part he'd have been fine. Disagree, but just don't insult (flame) people. As you can see, flaming begets flaming, then you got upset and reacted to the anger, and so on it will go, then no one wants to participate if it continues.


Yeah. You don't get brownie points for slapping your opponent before the duel. LOL!!!!

I LOVE to disagree with people. I have at some points stepped on people toes on this message board and also gotten angry with others for pointing it out to me. I learned to pull back and try to not take things so personally especially since I LOVE being on this board. Also, what a boring world this would be if we all agreed on everything.

With that said, I wonder why those who say you should have a bullet in the chamber don't consider that Michael doesn't intend to use the gun. Why would he need to use one in a public setting like a mall? I don't think Carla and her team are so stupid that they would shoot at someone in a public place. As Evelyn told Michael when they met at the cafe, "Oh for crying out loud I'm not going to shoot you here." Even crazy Evelyn didn't want to risk the local cop's involvement or getting capped by a rent-a-cop. 
phx1028
QUOTE (KusaAngel23 @ Jul 23 2008, 03:22 PM) *
So many topics to talk about....where to start.....

Is the Mall the best place to meet --

1)they're out in public and it's not either one's "territory"
2) safety in numbers....if anything is going to happen, there are going to be witnesses (whether you can get them to testify is another issue). Like When Lucy Lawless met MW in the cafe "if I was going to kill you, you'd be dead by now"....why bother doing it in a public place.....
3) alot easier to escape a tail if you've got them weaving thru "traffic"



Safety on or locked and loaded --

Depends on the situation and the indivdual....in a mall scene, in my mind, it's not the brightest thing to have it in the chamber....if it gets knocked, dropped, or what not, you might end up killing a Foot Locker referee. In a car chase or related, if it goes off accidentally....ugh, I don't even want to think about it...entering an abandoned/ relatively empty part of a/ building with a POI....ready set go babe!

Phone Home

Yeah, I was a little concerned when he just picked up the phone to Sam with that little tidbit (especially in an age where tv cops et al forget to wear gloves at a crime scene! -- see rant on IPS), but I trust Mike, and he does apparently use alot of throw away phones (loved the toothpick reference!!! laugh.gif ), and unless they use a product placement esque camera angle, I sure can't tell which one he's using, and for the most part, nor do I really care, so i think we can take it on faith that our boy either wanted her to know that he recognized the language/accent she had (or was using), or was using a disposable if he didn't....he'd better recycle it though smile.gif

Flaming -- agree....disagree....state your case....no one needs insults.....Opinions are like (butt cracks)....everyone has one <and they usually stink...at least some of the time laugh.gif >. Your words will speak for your thoughts...ya wanna critique the show for better or worse, go ahead, but no need to critique each other (a little encouragement is never a bad thing though smile.gif )....just....ok, revolving commentary....

Mojito break ---- I'm always game for that LuLu biggrin.gif





Ok, did I miss anything??????



wub.gif to all





KA23 cool.gif


edited for clarity



Thank you KA23, nicely done, you said everything I'm sure more than a few of us were thinking. I've never had a mojito, but I'm game too. Friday night?, we can all play covert ops M4. happy.gif
Cindyanne
This isn't actually an authenticity slip, but a scene that has always bothered me. I can't remember the name of the episode, it was the one where Sam got abducted by the drug cartel. When Fiona left the phone dangling after talking to Michael, I felt good effect, but would Fi really have left the phone hanging there for them to pick up her trail, she's way too smart for that, so I think not.
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