I had the same reaction, Quaxo, I kept yelling at the screen after he did it. I missed the part about him making fun of Bobby's profiling idol, lol.


No. Last night's epi was terrific, almost old-school feel. And if, as you say, you'd watch him read from a phone book on Pay Per View, can you really complain about quality?

We're all crazy for LOCi, it's perfectly healthy!



Word. I love his casual look, makes him look much more relaxed. And I rewound the part where he was sitting at the cemetery like 10 times just to see the angle of his neck and black scruff and I played the part in Carmine's place like 20 times, soo adorable. I've been waiting for him to do magic forever, and I wish he did more. First time in a long time Alex laughed, and Bobby used his magic to do it.




Hey, a shipper! I actually forgot how shippy the eppy was until after because I haven't seen them getting a long in awhile. Part of me says they're just having fun and the other says they like eachother


This eppy was great...still some things that confuse me, but I think it was a break from all the drearyness from G/E before. It was kind of like in the movie Prestige where they have to be the best magician, and G/E tricked the guy into confessing because he wanted to show that he was better than Miles. I like how LOCi has fun with their eppies.

If you noticed before they dug up the grave their was a IV pump behind the tv screens before they showed him having his attack, so they had the IV bags running through the dirt, which I don't understand how you have and IV line running through a locked box, through dirt and to a machine. An central line has to be closely monitored to prevent infection and the bandage has to be changed every 72 hours, and he was in there 31 days? Your risking infection that will go into the heart. But then it was all an illusion and those fluids weren't doing anywhere.

Also not from personal expericence but on some other show. I thought alcoholics drank Vodka cause it doesn't smell. But then Bobby has a great sense of smell. Oh well.

Surprised Shippers aren't saying anything about this show. The other blonde detective sure hung around alot in this epi, but Bobby only preformed for Alex.

Edited-opps hadn't read all the post, I underestimated the shippers, lol.

Bobby doesn't look like Bobby anymore. I miss the suits, the ties, the tieclips, the clean cut look, the cufflinks, the binder.

While his obvious enthusiasm for magic was cute, and his attempts at entertaining and impressing Alex even cuter, (and her giggling like a teenager at his tricks), I would have liked to have seen how they got to this point.

I feel like we've missed an episode or at least an important scene.

I must say, and It probably won't be a popular comment, I thought Eames' reactions were over the top. The giggling the big smiles. She got over it too soon.

Thank you! That was bugging me too... the idea he could have a central line and a cath for 31 days undisturbed. Hell, I was in the hospital 3 days and they had to move my IV every damned day (but I'm not bitter...lol) Now I had a lot of meds going through mine, not just fluids, but still... there's just no way it would stay viable and free of infection for that long.

But every episode has these little hiccups we just have to overlook. Fine by me. I LOVED this episode. I've already seen it 4 times... lol.

Did she get over it... or is she willfully ignoring it? That seems to be her MO. That's how she was "over it" so soon after Blind Spot. She wasn't, she just stuffed it down and stubbornly kept moving. Even in Amends, the last thing she wanted to do was revisit any of that, even with the evidence staring her smack in the face. Goren practically had to pull her kicking and screaming to acknowledge the facts.

I think denial is a big part of how Eames gets through hard times.

A central line doesn't have to be moved around like a regular IV, which is why they go that route if they need it long term. But, like JRyan said, it has to be monitored and the dressing changed every 72 hours. And I know that he wasn't actually buried, but how were they explaining getting the IV fluids to him through 6 feet of dirt? And emptying the catheter bag?

I like to see the scruff, no tie, dark suits for a change. I think he'll return to the normal look next season, so I'm savoring his look now as long as possible. I don't know if anyone else agrees, but I miss Eames' hair blonder and vest shirts (and even the sweatshirts.) She looks a little stiff these past couple of episodes.




Don't underestimate Bobby's charm ...



Love how all the nurses on the forum are talking about that. There has to be some sort of explanation that they didn't include, because that's a big mistake. Maybe they don't think smart nurses like you girls in the audience will notice .

I think the premise was the machines were above ground with long tubes and wires going through the dirt and into the casket so fluids (and air) were being pumped in and out that way. When they dug up the empty box you could see a spot on the side for them to snake through and the wires that were supposed to be connected to him loose in there.

Just because Goren was making Eames laugh does not mean that she has let go of her anger. One of my boys uses that as a defense mechanism. He does something really wrong, I get mad, he tries to explain it away, I get angrier and frustrated, he tries make it go away, I blow up, he gets absurd and tries to make me laugh (usually succeeding while I still feel the need to tell him off). It lightens the tension and makes us both feel better about clearing the air.

In my opinion it's over and done with. They should get on with their lives instead of letting it drag them both down. It seems like they are trying.

IV tubing through the dirt? OK, the horror just gets worse! Please tell me is was supposedly wrapped in something!

Could it be part of the magician code that they just don't tell? Like I don't know how someone could make an airplane and an elephant appear out of nowhere. Obviously it's a trick, we just don't know how. That's my guess!

I really liked the episode. I agree with almost everyone that it was GREAT to see the old Goren back, laughing and smiling! His face when doing some of those magic trick reminded me of him sitting and reving up the ferrari in Cherry Red. The snarking comments were Good.

Yeah so this guy who doesn't have a high school diploma, disconnects himself from a central line, and crawls through the dirt to the safe room. Do I hear air embolism? Dirt in his line? Surprised he didn't die right then and there.

Me thinks they need someone to inform them on these episodes, lets go apply CI, lol.

Raises another question, when he crawled back into the coffin he would be full of dirt, how was he going to explain that?

Dam sometimes I think too much, lol.

Perfectly explained!




I think they are just prolonging it through the episodes and save it for the finale. You can't forget about a problem just because you want it to go away. They have to resolve it so then can get on with their lives.




Maybe she wasn't as skilled as they make her to be and she let it go through dirt. Maybe they aren't telling us because it's a big secret like the episode is about?

I was thinking thhe same thing! I haven't seen him have this much fun since Cherry Red!

The new look is growing on me. I didn't like the depression scruff, but he's very handsome in his groomed beard. It took me a while to get with the wardrobe change, but I have to admit he looks better in the dark clothes with no tie and I'm all for the big man looking his best. Big improvement to the hotness factor after the too short hair and unflattering suits of last fall.


On another note, I'm ready to return to the back stories after this one. I don't want to abandon either the drama for the fun or vise versa. It was perfect how they did it in season six, they didn't deal with heavy issues every eppy, but ever third one or so you'd deal with Goren's mentor, dying mother, long lost brother, all leading up to Endgame. But in between those we got Bedfelllows, Priviledge, Albatross, Silencer, Rocket Man and so on.

So, groovy! We've had our fun! So now what's going on with Donny and Frank? When are these bottled up trust issues of Eames going to play out? What is the big event Vincent and Rene alluded to in the TV Guide interview? I'm ready for anything!

Don't medical dramas have somebody with medical expertise on their staff? I think all of the L&O's have enough medical happenings. If they don't have a medical expert on their team, they really should get one. This isn't the only L&O episode I have seen with mistakes concerning medical procedure, terminology or practice.

On a lighter note, I agree with everyone. I LOVED THIS EPISODE. Do we really have to wait two whole weeks for another Bobby and Alex episode?

::Hands bbandsissy a plate with tacos and triple chocolate cheesecake and cookies on it, and sets glass of milk on the coffee table. Pats seat on sofa next to her.::

Here, bb (can I call you bb?). You just sit right here with your plate and eat that nasty little ol' thought away. We'll help you pass the time. Besides, they will re-air "Vanishing Act" several more times before the end of the week and we have all the past seasons on DVD we can watch. A new G/E epi will be here before you know it!

As much as I like the casual look, I just LOVE Robert in a suit.



ITA- He did look like Kris Angel, and I thought he was supposed to....with a little David Blaine trick thrown in.



ITA! I was shocked when Robert said "You're under arrest"....he did it in the "Kissinger" episode too. He's so manly when he cuffs them I also noticed his concerted effort to be less of a rogue and more of a team player. Maybe it's his meds LOL!

I got such a kick out of VDO in this episode. He got to play.

When sleezo brought up the betrayal, I noticed their glances to one another, but (1) neither of them would give sleezo the satisfaction of a reaction; and (2) they refused to go there. Their restraint showed professionalism and mutual respect. They did not fall for sleezo's ruse.

How did Robert know "Fish" was in a the house? LOL! can you imagine little Bobby's fun house and double-edged guillotine in his basement??? Oh what fun he must have had chopping mom's potatoes in half, as well as whatever else he could get his hands on!

My only criticisms are (1) how did the already dead body get into the mummy box without Fish knowing, and just who put it there? (2) Rodgers missing a lot on the post-mortem (so out of character for her). BTW, her hair looked great.

Will we ever find out what happened between Ross and Rodgers?

THanks for giving us back a smiling and happier Robert! Now, VDP, if the beard isn't for a movie....shave it off!

Can't wait to see this one again!

Okay, I think I've figured it out. When you do the dollhouse trick you open it and hit each of the walls, floor and roof to show that it's "empty", the bottom is where it falls into to replace the house, but if it's full (like with a magician), it's not going to sound hollow like the other walls. So when Bobby knocked the bottom and it made the wrong sound, he instantly knew what was wrong.

You are a genius, Quaxo.

The sleazy magician, Dean Holiday, killed Miles in his coffin, left him there for a bit so it was on the webcam, then bypassed the feed with the backup video they had setup and took the body to Coney Island and put it in the back of the mummy sword box while Carmine and "Miranda" were busy on stage. Then he hotfooted it back to AC and snuck back into his hotel room with using the key card so it would seem he was there all night.

When Rodgers did the original post mortem, she didn't have the IV, just the body. As she said, potassium chloride is virtually undetectable once it's in the body, so the only way you know is maybe minute traces right at the injection site. Once they had the IV supplies, it was easy to figure out... so what she missed originally was microscopic. Still, being the meticulous Rodgers, she was "chargined" to miss even a molecule of evidence.

Yeah I got that too.

I'm usually not this picky about the medical stuff. Really, I'm not. I understand that some things just have to be changed, like they can't really do CPR on a healthy human (or he/she won't be healthy for long), and I always allow for some literary license. As long as it looks like it COULD be real. For instance, in SVU when Olivia was in a car crash with a very pregnant Kathy, and we saw Olivia start an IV on Kathy from the back seat. I WISH IVs were that easy to get in. But even though it's unlikely, it could happen that way.

So when I heard that a nurse had started that central line, that got my attention. I know it was all an illusion and he wasn't really buried. But the network covering it thought it was real and they would have wanted to make sure everything was done nice and legally because of liability. So the network would have insisted on documentation that a doctor started that central line. Once that burr was under my saddle, the other practical issues started bugging me. They wanted this to look real, so they should have figured that among those 15 million viewers there might be one or two doctors or nurses thinking, "Hmm....wonder how that IV tubing and O2 tubing are getting into that box. And how are they emptying his catheter bag? And who is checking on that central line site?"

And now I'll stop, because I REALLY, REALLY did love this episode. And it was so much fun, I'll just believe that they had a believable cover story for the networks and the viewers and I'll go back to enjoying Bobby and Alex playing and laughing--and getting their perp.



"Oh now you are ruining the illusion."

THANKS!! THis is why I shouldn't watch and be on my laptop with you guys at the same time!

And QUAXO- makes perfect sense. THanks to you too.

Ya, I have noticed the writing isn’t as intricate as it use to be. I use to have a harder time figuring out who did what and why. Lately (since being on USA?), I pretty much have the bad guy pegged. I thought this episode was a little better than others since there were other good suspects, but the bad guy was such slime; it was kind of obvious.

Overall, I agree with everyone. It was nice to see him having fun; Eames not looking annoyed with his existence; he wasn’t just going through the motions; but taking an active interested part in the investigation. They were having fun and everyone got along.

The best part for me??? He was messing with stuff! I was cracking up when he started getting in to Dean Holliday’s stuff. The guy looked a little annoyed each time Bobby did it.

I liked this episode a lot, and felt that the G/E relationship was handled with a lot of care. It felt very genuine to me that the relationship is almost back to normal, but that the old tension does creep up a bit. I liked that the relationship seemed surprisingly charged. I usually stay out of the ship-non ship argument, but the second half of the episode felt somehow… romantic to me. It started when the magician was “reading” Alex, and both she and Bobby seemed anxious, like this guy is bringing up something they have been refusing to acknowledge. After that, there were a few moments that were just sweet. I liked when she brought him coffee (and did you notice how their fingers touched? Maybe it stood out to me because my colleague and I take turns to get coffee for each other in the morning, and I always try to hand him his coffee without our fingers touching, because I want to keep things completely professional. Clearly not the case with our detectives). There was another cute moment when G/E were waiting for the magician after his show in the back room and Bobby is holding a deck of cards and they are smiling at each other. Finally, I liked how Alex defended Bobby when the magician suggested that he is no longer the bright star he once was. Bobby was looking ashamed, like there is truth to that, and she right away stepped in and pointed out that he actually DID just solve the mystery. Usually they feel nothing but friendly to me, but they just seemed more than that in this episode.

REally all the other times I had the guy pegged, this time, It took me awhile to figure out the two young ones really weren't in on it, it was just by chance.

I agree will all and this was just a wonderful episode; a CI classic; I agreed I never seen Goren so happy since Cherry Red. This episode is probably one of the best for me because it had all the same stuff we could expect earlier seasons ago...I just love this episode, Goren and Eames' current relationship, Goren's shrugged look and I hope they continue with this with "Legacy".

See? I just KNEW my fellow nurses on the board would notice these things too!




you're right, pfc----I'm hoping that within the next few weeks things get resolved, or at least on the way to being resolved.





other than the few medically-related things I'd mentioned earlier (I even remarked about the central line site not being picked up or the potassium angle being pursued), it was a GREAT episode. Jryan, you're not the only one thinking too much.....!

Goddess

I loved this episode.
Bobby and Alex looked happy and at ease

I have read some of the medical criticism. As a lay person, who has no clue about anything medical, this did not bother me, but I can see how it could to some people with professional training.

I read in a post here something about going through the tunnel with the IV or something like that. I thought that the camera was on the other room, not where he was actually buried. He could have been buried, get out, go through the tunnel and then have the IV inserted, since Miranda (or whatever her name was) said she had been in the room only once to do the IV.

I also read somewhere here a critique about Jacob. I think Jacob was very authentic as a Caltech graduate. (I work with several of them).

I loved the "Jim Ignatowski" moment, when Alex Eames asks the magician if he solicited an assistant throgh Craig's List and he answers "Who is Craig?" I thought it was very funny.

Bobby playing was priceless, and Alex had several funny snarks, which I don't quite remember except for "When my partner stops playing..." I need to watch the episode again and make notes.

Loved Bobby playing with the cards on his arm and Alex smiling.

The bad magician was very bad. I was worried for Bobby because he looked very unconfortable when that guy was "reading" Alex. I was surprised about him saying that this man has kept secrets from her before. I wonder if we will hear more about that.

Ross was very nice. He should smile more often.

I felt bad for officer Jones!

I can't think of anything that I did not like. The episode was packed with little clues and details. A couple of times I had to rewind because I did not catch something.

Great episode. Now I am not sure if this is the best of Season 7 or Purgatory. Both are great episodes for different reasons.

Alright...i just have to vent or something. ihaven't even read the whole thread yet (i'm up to page 5)...but can i just say...i really HATE those spoiler boxes? especially when people are posting during/after the show has aired. I mean, i guess i can maybe see if it's before the eppy airs...and someone finds a spoiler online somewhere else...but otherwise i just feel that if you have 2 more hours until you see the show, and other's are seeing/have seen it and are posting about it....stay off the stinkin' board if you don't want to read spoilers (or off this thread at least). i'm tired of clicking, clicking, clicking just to read the threads.

rant over. anyone agree?

Agreed.

I really enjoyed the episode. Have been enjoying the episodes thus far, but last night's episode was like a special little treat. It seemed like the crew was having fun. Great little plot twists, nice writing. Really nice to see Goren and Eames smiling. Let's hear it for Lloyd, he's still fun to watch. Presto...I'm out.

I'm a nurse as well, and I missed it! Dam!

Regarding the magician reading Eames' mind...I am sure you are all probably right, that it would have been a "good guess"...because chances are someone has had someone betray them in the past, yada, yada... but what got me was that he said there were "unresolved issues" regarding "a man in her life"...suggesting a current issue. now correct me if i'm wrong, but i find it hard to belive that the odds are that any given women may have a current "unresolved issue" with a man who has betrayed her and kept secrets from her. I know this is just TV...but it seems a little too specific to be a general guess.

like bobby's scruffiness...but not the beard.

sometimes i think alex's laughing is just for show. like..at carmine's house, when she was grinning, but not really laughing...that might be genuine. towards the end when bobby was doing his magic and she was laughing and clapping...i think it was for show. (her smile was REALLY forced when the magician said "so much anger...is it because of the betrayal?...i guess my smile would have been forced too...but it just made her look uncomfortable.)

Today, my mom and I were comparing our reviews of the episode via telephone. She thought that VDO was channeling Orson Welles....She's never been on this board and has no idea as to our discussions about VDO's interest in Orson, but she thought that between the beard, the weight gain, the magic, and the way he was dressed (just missing the ascot), it was an homage to Orson....

I can't say she was far off. What do you think?

I'm still wondering is he's making another movie and, hence, the beard...

Loved the epi...

-Loved VDO's expression when the magician was reading Eames. He looked so sorry

-I know there is an issue with the cost of each show, but are they saving money by not changing VDO's wardrobe!! He is hot in anything, but come on...enough is enough, we are eip #3 with the same 3 or 4 outfits. Ok, rant over...I still love him

-I wanna know how the tunnel worked? Cuz getting out head first would be possible. But how do you crawl through a tunnel that long feet first? Think about trying to crawl by just pulling yourself with your feet? Seems tough for five feet, let alone the distance that they mentioned. I guess that just goes along with the medical issues that the nurses pointed out.

-I am ready to hear abt where Donny is...I mean, techinically he escaped from prison. I would think that people would be all over Bobby asking about him cuz he is his relative. It seems odd how we are expected to forget about some story arcs and then we get all of the info in one epi. SVU and the mothership seem to be able to sprinkle story stuff in each epi. I know that CI writers are different but, I wish they would try.

lenore and I have been saying the same thing for the last few weeks.....all those pics we posted over on the "Great Role for Vincent" thread---if your mom hasn't been on the boards yet, have her look at that thread, start around page 7 or so. The resemblance is amazing, especially Orson 1940s-early 1950s.
I think your mom may be right.....Orson did that trick of sawing Marlene Dietrich in half for a USO show during WWII.
And I've been wondering about another movie since he still has the beard.

I'm confused, are you ranting because you have to click on the spoiler box, or because people are posting before other time zones have seen the show?

I totally agree with staying off and not peeking.

Do we here in the East, wait an hour for central time to watch, or 3 hours until the west coast, does mountain time wait, what about people in other countries. At least the spoiler is a litle bit of courtesy.

I thought the episode was intelligent and creative. It sort of reminded me of an episode of Columbo(Peter Falk), an old detective show with a quirky lead character.

I think the reason some people put spoilers is to not ruin it for others. So they put the spoiler and if you wanna read it fine, then read it...if not, then don't click on the spoiler box. You have to keep in mind, there are people in other countries, fans of the show, who visit this board and are not up to date on the episodes. What do you mean, clicking clicking clicking???

Miles was a skinny, bendy little guy. He could flip himself around to be head first out of the casket I'm sure. Me? I'd be stuck there trap door or no trap door.... lol.

Mmm, now this is just speaking from personal experience, but maybe Bobby was deliberately clowning for Eames? I'm mean, yeah, he was excited to play with the magic tricks because, duh, magic tricks are COOL. However, he's been told by Eames, basically, that he needs to open up. One way to appear like you're opening up without having to risk much, is to act the role of the clown. "Look at me, I'm not afraid to be silly in front of you! I'm so cute you can't stay mad!"

I have used that many a time at work...

Mom is 75 and just uses the computer to shop on HSN, QVC and to get e-mail, but she loves VDO- a guy who can be her son....LOL! I have been reading that thread and I am amazed at the resemblance. VDO is only 2 years younger than I so I am sure he remembers Orson very well and has studied him better than most I guess. I wonder when he became aware of the resemblance and when he began to "study" Orson so closely.

Remember Orson on Laugh In? He was a caricature of himself by then, but you could still see his genius and over indulgences/propensities for the finer things of life.

I would love to see Vincent revisit Orson's later years..but that's another thread....

There were so many holes in that plot, I feel that the writer's were insulting our intelligence. Then I realized that they know we just want to see our Bobby, so OK.

Things that bothered me the most.

1. Why didn't they guy have more of a beard/facial hair growth after 31 days.?

2. Rodgers should have know that he had a central line for feeding pruposes, she screwed up (other things on her mind?)

3. Were we supposed to think that he was holed up in the abandoned store front the entire time? They could have ran the loop over and over again.

Such stupid writing. A laim plot. Remember when the story was seen through the criminal's eyes and we watched the bad guy squirm as Bobby figured it out.

But, all is forgiven because Bobby looked HOT!

I understand your frustration, but speaking as a person who has to wait till Thursday for the episode to air I appricate people putting things in spoiler boxes!

I'm working 2 jobs this summer and I don't have a lot of time, so I come on the episode threads to check whether or not this is an episode that I should watch first time around or if I can tape it and wait for a week to see it, cause an hour more is really useful to me. I don't want the episode to be spoiled for me, but I do want to read quick general comments things like "Eames and Goren seem so happy" or "I love this episode" cause then I know if I need to get the kids in bed by 10 (yes I am working as a part-time Nanny), or if I can wait until my day off (like today) to see the episode.

So to all who keep things in spoiler boxes I want to give a big:

THANK YOU

Your consideration for the Canadians, people without cable, and people from other foreign countries is MUCH appreciated!

I so enjoyed this episode, that I'm not going to nitpick the details. It was so nice to see a fully engaged Goren again that I could barely sit still. Which means VDO was able to also play a fully engaged character - which I hope means that people will lighten up with the 'phoning it in' comments (how 'bout that little wink wink, nudge nudge in the epi?)... how else is VDO supposed to play a 'character' who is merely 'phoning it in' ? He is after all the total method man... (this one complaint from fans has been bugging me for months...)

Now that I was able to watch when I got home from work tonight and have perused the various boards, I'm off to go watch it again.