This is a thread in response to the E!Online spoiler:


I really hope we get a Carla/Fiona showdown because it would be an awesome fight.

This thread is just for fun; and to get our collective creative juices flowing.
So what type of situation could you see Fiona and Carla fighting?

Judging by their background and experience, I'd put my money on Carla cuz she just seems more ruthless more resourceful.

But I could see Fi winning, but only because she is the female lead on this show vs Carla is still more or less a guest star.

Please stop!!!!!
Carla is only a distraction. Mike loves Fi, and Fi loves Mike, and no one is gonna be able to stop their eventual connection, hook up, whatev you kids call it today

Oh... Let's get it on! Carla and her associates vs. Fio and her associates. Finally, some terrorism in Miami that will cause the local and stated government to get involved.

I really hope Fi beats the hell out of Carla. That would be rather awesome.

I'm surprised that ANYONE would assume Mike would be remotely interested in Carla. She threatens women and children. She's a piranha. It would be like Mike wanting to hook up with Evelyn after learning who she really was. As he told her, "Not in this life."

LOL!!! Yeah. Homeland Security will need to change the security alert to RED. 

Really? You really think that Carla is more ruthless than Fi? The IRA terrorist Fi? Granted Carla has more resources but I'd beg to differ that she's more resourceful. How many people can build a bomb using styrofoam in 20 minutes? How many people pulls out a gun to solve ALL their problems or head butts men that threaten her man. If I were Carla, I'd move to a different hemisphere when Fi comes a calling.

Fiona is nuts, from what we've seen she is an excellent markswoman (the shot in between the legs from 2x01 from a moving car was sick) and she is good in close quarters combat. She's also nuts. But Carla seems a little smarter and also a psycopath.

I don't think Carla has much power at all. All she has done is make threats via cell phone and flirt with Sam. She's just the mouth piece of the shadowy organization that employs her. Fi would pull hair hair out by the bleached roots. LOL!!!!

Hey, I agree with ya vestokes. Did ya see the commercial for next week - she kills somebody again that he talks to . I think the character of Michael would never get with her cuz he's completely against child endangerment & unecesary death..(case in point he thinks they shouldnt of killed philip cowan in the finale) so dont think a hook-up (or whatever-Damo Ha loved your line 'you kids'). Also on the commercial they say about meeting the boss... i wonder if they mean carla's boss... maybe shes just a "messenger" .... Peace.

But remember, the actress that plays her says she's as highly trained as Michael, I forgot in what interview. And to another point, I would like to see some sexual tension with she and Michael, but they should never get together...ever! I would also like to see a final battle at the end of the season with Carla vs. Fiona, I hope Fi kiss beats the living daylights out of her.

Oh no... it's worse:
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A watch list of suspected and known terrorists, compiled by the US authorities, has ballooned and contains more than one million names, the American Civil Liberties Union said today.

The ACLU said it derived that figure from a Justice Department report on the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center, which consolidates terrorist watch list information.

The Center "had over 700,000 names in its database as of April 2007 and that the list was growing by an average of over 20,000 records per month," according to a report by the Justice Department Inspector General, the rights group said.

"By those numbers, the list now has over one million names on it," the ACLU said in a statement.
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How many fans on BN are on the list? Hey, if I'm on the list maybe sending a BN via email to someone else might improve my chances of getting off a list? Just a thought.

Oh yeah, definitely, Fiona beats the ever-loving crap outta Carla. Not to say it's a easy win. Carla would get some good shots in. But I think that Carla has been a figurehead too long. She seems like she doesn't like to get her hands dirty. She's a handler. She has others do the work. Might be a bit out of practice on the hand-to-hand combat. Might not be as quick to improvise a weapon on the fly. But she is still well-trained. But, as long as Carla doesn't totally blind-side Fi and Carla doesn't have a team of her hoodlums to do her dirty work for her, Fi will kick Carla's butt!

And that's all I've got to say about that!

Neither character is all that believable. I like Gabrielle Anwar, but her arms and legs are like toothpicks and she's suppose to be threatening?!?!? This Carla just seems to be some power-hungry bitch. And the question is why Micheal doesn't treat her the same as the rest of the operatives they sent?

I think you are misguided if you think the size of someone has anything to do with how powerful they can be. Hit the person in the right place with the right amount of force and you WILL take them out.

Back to Carla as a villain. Has anyone seen Carla do anything but talk on the phone and send in her goons to do the dirty work? She may have broken into Mike's Mom's house but we don't know that for sure and what kind of courage do you need to threaten old women and children. If they expect us to really see Carla as sinister they'd better do something different with her character.

Hello,
I just joined in, but I had to reply. I'm with you that Mike and Fi love each other and as Matt Nix stated in his interview, the question on the table this season is "Can Fi and Michael stay apart... and the answer is "No!"
So I'm crossing my fingers! And by the way... I think Fi will beat the daylights out of Carla. She's threatened Fi's man and his family. I wouldn't want to be in the same hemisphere when Fi goes after her!!!! Batton down the hatches!!

First of all, both girls are probably capable of beating each other up handily. However, when it comes to one on one combat, FIONA! Carla is only good as a leader and as an orchestrator, NOT A FIGHTER! Fiona is an ex-IRA agent who's able to make a C4 explosive in about 20 minutes (she's also a really good shot, and she's trigger-happy). Result: Fiona would own Carla so bad by the time that episode was done...

I think you are gullible if you think an unarmed Fi is going to instill fear in most people. Considering she has little mass, I seriously doubt she can generate enough velocity to do much damage in a fist fight, except for hitting someone in the neck, nose, or testicles OR poking someone in the eye. When they show Fi punching out men, it's not believable at all!!!

I disagree as do many other people . Her size has nothing whatsoever to do with her ability kicking ass and she does it very well ..
I think Carla is very unconvincing threatening Michael is the weakest link on the show ! Tricia is a terrible actress too and out of place on the series.
Any calling anyone gullible crosses the lines of being respectful. Fiona has earned her reputation and has done so in a believable way .

Won't argue with you about fear when you look at her but I doubt it would be a fist fight. She's hot-headed but NOT stupid.

I think if Carla and Fi had to go at it physically, neither would win. I think it would come down to Fi getting the upperhand on Carla by outsmarting her. Fi thinks quickly on her feet and when backed into a corner...or trapped on a bridge!!!

Yeah, I'm surprised by this as well. Even before the second season began, I'd read some speculation about a possible romantic tryst between Michael and Carla - it would be completely out of character for Michael to be interested in such a ruthless and violent woman (as you said, look at how he viewed Evelyn).

This is a little off topic, but it is about Fiona - I think it's so interesting that Michael chose Fiona as "the closest he ever got," as she is so fiercely independent and self-reliant. What do you guys make of this, that Michael chose her? I mean, I know he respects her tremendously for her abilities, her intelligence and her dogged determination. But I just was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on what they thought might be the thing that drew Michael close to her. It just seems that he is drawn to the soft and maternal and vulnerable woman that Evelyn was in the beginning of that "False Flag" episode (this would not be Fi). There was something in that episode that Fiona said while they were cleaning the guns, something to the effect of, "She was seemed so needy and helpless and she wasn't that way at all. What should we make of that?" - and Michael said back to her something like, "I got it, Fi. You made your point." I kind of found myself wishing that Fiona had expanded on this a little more, because the one woman he got the closest to was not vulnerable like that - at least, not on the surface. ;-) I'd love it if we could see more of the backstory on their connection to one another.

The thought of Michael and Carla being romantically linked never crossed my mind. As for Evelyn, I don't think he was drawn to her so much as her being needy, but taking him back to his own childhood and being abused by his dad and watching his mom being abused. So he may have just seen his own mother in her and wanted to make a difference this time.

Yeah, she really triggered in him that knee-jerk response of trying to defend a woman and her child from a deadbeat dad. She was a really great villain, I thought!

Tricia is clearly a highly respected and fantastic actor, not according to you, but obviously by Matt Nix's team who asked her, as their top pick, to be on the show.

I was so stoked to hear she was going to guest star, I couldn't picture a more perfect Carla! And shes definitely lived up to the hype. Shes playin it cool, with some steely sarcasm and flirtatious wit. She exactly fits the requirements of this show. I don't find her "villainous" at all, shes on par with Michaels skills and is just doin her job. She has never directly harmed anyone, its just all implied, so if people are bugged by the "threatening a child" bit, blame the writers, not the actor.

I personally find her more of a match for Michael than Lucy Lawless' character in the previous season, who, sorry, Lucy, I will always see as Xena the warrior princess. Plus Carla hardly seems psycho, she can't have made it that far up the ranks being unstable.

As far as the Fi vs. Carla debate, I think it would come to smarts as well, outwitting each other.

My hope is that the Carla storyline doesn't go all typical, that she "hurts" someone close to Michael, he stews about it, then he dupes her and triumphs, making sure she can never "operate" in the biz again. Instead, make it twist, with Carla double crossing her boss and helping Michael instead, because she probably knows since they have put her in such a visible position, they will just snuff her out when they are done using her. Its all so very tricky.

Yes. This triggered an emotional response from the normally detached Michael Westen. Until Fiona coldly reminded him, Michael was not aware that he was drawn to Evelyn for those reasons. His protector role is his Achilles heel and was successfully exploited by Evelyn. As Fiona told him, he thinks his job is all he is. He  is gradually coming to terms with the fact that there is more to life than the job. He had better wise up fast because the one person he could make it with may not wait for ever. 

Carla is a waste period. One dimensional character character by a one dimensional and untalented actress .
TPTB can hype her all they want but she is not living up to all the hype and many are disappointed by her addition .
Tricia Helfer is a cringe worthy actress and her lacking talent is why Carla is not catching up with the fans plus seeing Fiona and Sam get the shaft for her is annoying .
Already Carla is overtaking the series and many are complaining . Michael has been emasculated by her and he looks stupid .
Tricia/Carla is the worst thing to happen to BN and her presence has changed the dynamics of the series already and it sucks .
BN used to be innovative and original but now is simply another conspiracy mumbo-jumbo crap show which has been done to death by plenty of shows . Been there and done that !!
Lucy Lawless was outstanding and far superior to Tricia in looks and talent and many agree . Nix may have pushed for Tricia as Carla but he made the wrong choice .

I'm not blaming Tricia Hefler for the material that's been written for her character. I don't care for the character and that is exactly what the writers want. I know she was chosen because of her appeal in the BG show. Unfortunately, I never saw her in that show and can only judge from BN as to the success or failure of her abilities as an actress,. I'm not impressed right now but as I've said in previous posts it's pretty difficult to get a clear opinion when we have more phone conversations from her than screen appearances. I will wait a bit longer to completely dismiss her acting abilities. She does deserve that at least.

She doesn't deserve anything .. She was hyped nonstop before her appearance and in EVERY interview and article she was talked about nonstop and yet all the hype fell flat when she appeared onscreen .
I notice it did not takle long to imeediately start showcasing her T&A but since she cannot carry any scene in acting TPTB have to do the T&A to get anything but alas still many are not enjoying her adition and finding she hurts the series not helps it .
My prediction if she continues being the focal point - lower ratings/demos !

I can't see just 2 epis with Carla as the new handler being enough to kill the series. I also don't see her making Mike look stupid. Come on, he's not a god where he is never wrong and always outsmarts his opponents. I see him as being relentless as well as intelligent. He will keep trying until he finds that one opening to take down his nemesis. That's how he got Bly and I believe this is how eventually Carla will be supplanted as well. He is gradually chipping away and will soon have what he needs to bring her down. He's patient and has his pride and honor on the line to drive him. It's all he has left and that alone can give someone an unassailable advantage.

I think you have very little to worry about since she is a guest star. She is currently working on a pilot for a new show, so she will probably move on. I wish her well be it on BN or elsewhere. If she stays on BN I hope she does grow on the fans. I recall hating brother Nate early last season. There were also people that hated Fi and some still do. Anyway, I just want the show to be a success.

By the way, if you reread my post on p. 3 of the "Turn and Burn" conv. thread, I did not say that Tricia hasn't lived up to the hype, period. I said that her "role" hasn't lived up to the hype "yet" -- big difference. I was talking about the role that the writers created for her so far, and I said yet because I too am reserving judgment. I complimented her acting on Battlestar Galactica in hopes of encouraging those who haven't seen her previous work to do the same.

I see it differently.. Michael has become Carla's whipping boy and she calls all the shots. Michael may get jabs in but she still controls everything and while I do not see Michael being perfect Michael has never been incredibly stupid either yet his intelligence level has dropped since her intro. It is like TPTB are dumbing him down to prop her up on the show!

Exactly. That's what I meant by giving her a break. She's not the writer and it's has only been 2 epis. 

And trying to convince people to hate her is a waste period.



You obviously haven't seen Battlestar Galactica. Seems you had her crucified before she even stepped on the BN set.


Many people are also not complaining, because she was cast months ago, and is doing a fantastic job.

Little bit dramatic dontcha think, its just a t.v. show.

I saw TH on BSG and found her unimpressive there too and she was one of the reason I stopped watching .

And yes many people are not finding her great on BN and are very disappointed with her addition .

She is a waste and untalented and unattractive too ..


All the hype has made me hate her more.. BN used to be the best but now has lost much with her on the show !!

Nix can brag her up all the time but her lacking talent is not going to change by doing the predictable T&A bit which I fully expected to happen since her looks and talent is not enough to carry her so her body is all she has LOL !!

Really ??? Her T&A were shown??? Where??? Can't believe I missed that.

Are you sure you aren't confusing her character with the gazillion beach bikini girls parading through every episode?

But seriously, your T&A comment is extremely disrespectful. Especially since they haven't presented her character that way at all. Your personal attacks on Tricia are so out of line.

Hardly .. I think with all the hype that was made about her addition to the show and how often she was talked about she could at least live up to the hype yet did not !

Tricia is known for doing plenty of T&A and that's her motto ! and already Carla is showing off her assets which I expected to see *smirk*

While you think she is great many others do not and it may shock you but many of these people not enjoying her stint on BN are BSG fans who liked her on that show but feel she does not fit in on BN ..

All these flame against a role/actress with about 10 minutes screen time in a 2 episodes of TV is unclaimed for.

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Your blatant bias against a guest star is a bit unsettling.



All untrue and these a unfair allegations.



Untrue and unfair!



whatever!

With so much hate, please stop watch it already. Lighten it up, it's just a TV.

All I have to do is look at your signature to lighten up. Also, Jolly's Chicken Little avatar makes me giggle.

why does mike got to chose fiona or carla.

He doesn't even like Carla and Fiona know that they can't be together so there is no problem. But I do understand that mike and Carla are getting really close as Fiona and Mike are getting more distant. But I really don't think that she is a competition for Fiona. They just can't be together because mike just get the reason why they can't be together is that he can't put her first and he doesn't want a relationship even though she came down to Miami for him which is kinda mean. But he and Fiona are still really close and they are on he same side vs. Carla, she is on the other side.


correct me if i am wrong [which i probably am]

I believe that's the point of her character!

Carla seems like just a power-hungry bitch trying to move fast up the corporate ladder. I think in the next episode, they said Carla kinda wants revenge on Michael, also. The only problem I have with her so far is that she seems pretty out of shape. Her arms are all flabby. At least, Anwar looks like she works out regularly.

As for Evelyn, I didn't even realize that was Lucy Lawless. She lost a lot of that steriod muscles she had and bleached her hair.

As for Evelyn, I didn't even realize that was Lucy Lawless. She lost a lot of that steriod muscles she had and bleached her hair.
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I was just going to edit that. She really didn't have the masculine body that I thought she had. Can you tell that I'm not a big fan of Lucy Lawless?

EDIT: Though it does look like she lost about 20 pounds from the Xena pics.

Messed that up. Lucy Lawless is a natural blonde.

So, if this was a man as his handler the word "bitch" wouldn't enter the conversation. This is insulting to men and women alike. 

I think we are jumping the gun right now. From what we've seen so far, Carla is just "the new handler"; which means she's the mouth piece. Do you REALLY think that the person or persons really running this operation is calling Micheal directly?

I'll give it a rest about Carla but still hate her on the show .. Maybe she'll shock me and actually get interesting but I doubt it !
Fiona rocks though and she is one tough kick ass chick