I love Logan in the old law and order episode, but Logan just isn't the same on CI, maybe he just needs a Male partner.

I see him going out as Mr. BIG- - to match his ego.

I think Chris was well within his rights to want to leave the show. The show, when you're looking at the male detectives, is ALWAYS going to be the VDO show. He's had a lot of success with SATC, and the film, and he's getting movie offers. If he wants to go further in his career he needs to get out of VDO's long shadow.

He's been very decent about it, I think. He's not being a David Caruso and going out and telling everyone the show's (NYPD Blue people, within the first two years) going to fail without him. Anyway, Caruso got his. After a couple bad BAD movies, and ten years banned from television (a term of his contract when he signed onto Blue), he got to come back finally in CSI Miami.

I'm sure they're going to kill him off. L&O does it to all the favorites. I cried when Jill Hennessey died & boycotted the show for awhile. I cried when they killed Max & he did get the bagpipes. When they didn't kill Sorvino or Pratt I was happy but once again soooo not happy, so they will kill Logan off, I will cry - I've been attached to him since the very beginning in 1990; I'm even one of those die hards that watched the spinoff with Jerry Orbach that lasted one season - trial by jury. I'll get my kleenex & hope that he gets the send off he deserves, at least I know it's coming this time. I'll miss him.

Its definetly a very interesting title. I can definetly see, as others mentioned, Logan going out in a "blaze of glory". Logan would be given the last rites, as we saw in mothership episodes that he is a lapsed Catholic. But, there is also another character in there that is dying of TB in the cast list.

I had to look at the actual definition again (its been a LONG time since Catholic school) which is basically a sacrament that is a gift of the Holy Spirit that renews your faith in God which leads to forgiveness of sins. Could it be possible that it might be a metaphorical "last rites" which has Logan possibly at the end of career in the NYPD, and is trying to renew his faith in the justice system by catching someone who committed a crime awhile ago, and in the process, his career looks better from all the mistakes he's made as a police officer.

Just figured I'd add another possibility in there. I guess we'll just have to wait for the episode to see what happens

::takes fingers out of ears and stops hummng long enough to read DoodBooMom's post::

I like your idea much better than Logan dying. And however he leaves, it is just going to be sad, sad, sad.

::puts fingers back in ears and starts humming::

I worked 3rd shift from 1987 all through the 90's so I never saw the mothership when it originally aired. I've never seen a pre Lennie episode. Do they ever show those in reruns?

I don't know how I feel about them killing off Logan. I guess I just want the episode he exits in to be a really good one.

Sometimes they show them early, early in the morning. There were two on this morning--1 and 2 AM for me, so probably 4 and 5 AM for East Coast people (and West Coast people with cable)?

I've been watching it for awhile, so I've seen most episodes at least once. Although, since Briscoe died, have not kept up much. I've seen early episodes on TNT very early in the morning, I think somewhere around 4 or 5am. If my little guy isnt sleeping, I usually put on either CI if its on USA or TNT for mothership episodes.

It’s true, change can be good; although I still cry like a baby when Henry dies and Radar leaves.

If CN wants to go then it will be better than him sticking around unhappy about it. Personally, I see him being killed off and going down in a blaze of glory. He already left and came back, I don’t think it’s likely that he’ll do it again. Let Mike die with dignity and recognition from the brass, totally appropriate.

Good post--and welcome to the boards! More food for thought on what could happen. Since I'm not Catholic, thanks for explaining "last rites".

They won't kill off Logan.

*puts fingers in ears and hums alobng w/ ciadict.

Your more than welcome...pssttt, I brought 3 actually the other 2 are in the NOROMO galley fridge!



Hahha, "Frank Burn Eats Worms..." rofl

When is "Last Rites" airing?

Hubby is a HUGE MASH fan!! How about this one for Frank Burns...."you said it, Ferret Face!" roflmho
Maybe that could be my position on the NOROMO....official baker and cheesecake protector?

I hope it's ok... but... from what I've read this eppy looks good.
A lot of stuff happening...

I hope it's ok to post a couple of pages (without giving away too much) , if not, whoopsy! Just say it and I'll remove it.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3980567/last-rit...0zboj3j1hhzty2g

It's OK. Those who can't stand the suspense will read it, others will simply ignore it and wait for the epi to air.

"Last Rites",
the last Logan episode won't be the season 7 finale, as it has been revealed on The Reel Blog that it will be released on the 17th of August as "Frame", a Goren/Eames's last season 7 episode will be the offical season finale on the 24th...

I'm a little shock since Logan took the season 5 and 6 finales, but his last episode won't be the season finale for 7, yet the 21st episode...

the last time Goren and Eames took over the season finale spot was season 4 finale's "False-Hearted Judges"

So there you go.

I'm not shocked at all. For several weeks USAs schedule for August has shown a Noth/Logan Marathon on the 16th & 17th and a D'Onofrio/Goren Marathon on the 24th (even though episode names had not yet appeared). It wouldn't have made sense to show Logan all day and a new Goren episode at night; and then Goren all day and a new Logan episode the next weekend.

It also is more logical to end the season with a VDO/Goren episode as a lead-in to Season 8, since Noth/Logan is leaving the series.

There are also some other clues to lead me to some speculation.

In the TV Guide Interview a few weeks ago, both VDO and Rene Balcer indicated that some would happen to make Goren reassess his background and maybe bring him out of his depression "in the Final Episode" of the Season. If something dramatic were to happen to Logan (or some other person that Bobby knows or was "close to" in the past), it would be such an event.

Though I don't necessarily think that the title "Last Rites" means that Logan will be killed. The title opens up a wide range of possibilities. It also allows for a certain "connection/continuation" between the last Logan episode and the last Goren episode of the Season. If someone significant in the cast of any L&O Series, were killed in "Last Rites"; it allows for a funeral in "Frame," that could be attended by a wide range of current and former cast members from not only LOCI, but the mothership as well (in cameos, not prominent roles); even though it wasn't technically a cross-over. Here are some possible plot lines:

1. Logan is assigned to investigate a dead body(ies). He arrives to find the victim is Frank and/or Donny or one of his former partners (Green, Barek). Having lost a former partner and a girlfriend in the series, Logan has had enough and decides to retire from the force.

2. Of course, Logan could be critically injured and/or killed in Last Rites. That would allow for both hospital scenes and a funeral "attended" by both mothership and LOCI cast members in "Frame."

3. Having the funeral in a separate episode, allows time for a suitably-long farewell to Logan/Noth in "Last Rites" and the introduction of Goldblum to the cast in "Frame."
(And Noth wouldn't have to be present.)

4. Many people in critical condition are read the "Last Rites" and then recover. Logan has been associated with a wide range of "cop" characters during his 20 years of L&O franchise. Any of them could be the victim in Last Rites; USA seems to want to connect the characters from one series to another; and, NBC/Wolf is looking toward the 20th year of L&O (and passing Gunsmoke for the record). This would be a good opportunity to incorporate a "reunion" of sorts into the plotline; gathering characters from different series together for a "funeral" would also be a "bang-up" finale for a Season plagued by problems; and, create interest to draw people to watch in the possibly-delayed Fall/Winter, 2008 Season.

5. Another reason I have doubts as to Logan's demise, is that I have been given the impression that Logan isn't really "tuned-in" to religion; I can't see that particular character requesting (or being given "Last Rites"); though the term "Last Rites" could be used in a broader sense to mean the "ritual" of a funeral; and/or some ceremony. There could be a "twist": "Last Rites" could refer not to an injury/death but to a "formal ceremony" like an award for heroism or retirement for Logan or someone else. If Logan has been a Detective for nearly 20 years, he's probably been with the NYPD longer; which would give him more than 20 years service time; enough for retirement.

Personally, I do think someone significant will die in "Last Rites" (not necessarily Logan) and there will be a "police funeral" in "Frame." Who dies is an intriguing question. Possible victims include any, and all, former L&O franchise cast members: Deakins, Green, Van Buren, Carver, McCoy, Barek, Falacci, M.E. Rogers, Frank, Donny, the Chief of D's, etc. (Pardon me, I'm not that familiar with the mothership, so I don't have names).

All I can say is....WOW! Great post......has given me much to think about.
And welcome to the boards loganite!

That was an excellent post! I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight! I will be pondering all the possibilities... of what is going to happen....

I'm sooooooooooo nervous!!!!!!!!!! (I've never been nervous about an upcoming Logan episode before.)

I think we can all rest assured tho, that no matter what happens to Logan in "Last Rites", he will never leave these boards. Too many of us have him as a character in our fanfiction. I know that will change over time, but he ain't going anywhere any time soon. Besides, who would clean the pool on the USS Switzerland?

This seems to be the only Last Rites (7B.21) Thread for the moment.

On another Thread, someone brought up Wheeler's fiancee/Wedding. That offers another possible plotline (or two). Could it be that the Groom (Wheeler's fiancee) is the victim. In that case "Last Rites" could have a double meaning; deathbed of the groom and the end of Wheeler's Wedding "Rites."

Or maybe after Wheeler's Groom is injured, Logan becomes the "surrogate" groom at the Wedding Ceremony and/or winds up being the Groom to Wheeler or someone else! (Strange Twist: But what a "send-off" for 20-year cop and confirmed bachelor, Logan. lol) Again, the title "Last Rites" would apply.

MsSweden: May I suggest that you alter the name of this Thread to something a little broader like "Last Rites." (The broader title would allow more posting activity and maybe keep it from dropping off of the first page.) Thanks.

And who would ride his horse...newly installed (haha, installed, get it? ) on Twilight Isle???

I'm going to Bump this Thread; so it will stay on Page 1 and we can use it as the "Official" Episode Thread for "Last Rites" when the time comes. Thanks.

The record is held by Gunsmoke (it ran for 20 seasons) but the 2010-2011 season of the mothership (its 20th season) would mean a tie with Gunsmoke and the 2011-2012 season would be the record breaking 21st season

The current mothership season is its 18th

The Vault

In looking at the casting breakdown a second time I thought about the word prognosis

prognosis (noun): a forecasting of the probable course and outcome of a disease, esp. of the chances of recovery.

To me the idea that we're talking about a scene with an EMT and a scene with Dr Jones giving a prognosis makes me think that Mike isn't going to get killed, he's going to go out injured (if he's the one getting hurt, which he may not necessarily be). The death scenes that happened in previous mothership episodes we saw on camera...Max Greevey is killed outside his home in front of his wife while she's on the phone with Logan and I think if the writers were going to write Logan out as getting killed in action it would happen with Wheeler and/or Ross present so that they too could play a dramatic death scene.

But I'm just not seeing Mikey dying. Shot maybe, injured possibly, sudden heart attack/stroke/collapes on the job...well there's also precedent for that (in Homicide the brilliant detective Frank Pembleton has a stroke while in the box questioning a witness in the very last episode of Season 5 and spends all of the sixth season relearning everything including how to be a cop).

Dead is the least likely option they would choose.

The Vault

In my opinion, injury would be the cowardly way out, the "safe" option, the middle ground. Mike was miserable in exile, how's he gonna survive without his shield?

Here crossing my fingers you are right.

A career ending injury would be kind of a cheat, too, because that's how they wrote out Phil Cerreta (Paul Sorvino) at the end of season two, and brought on board Lennie Brisco (Jerry Orbach). And I don't want to see him be assassinated like his first partner Max Greevey (George Dzundza). Please, just let Mike Logan decided it's time to turn in his badge and walk away into the television history sunset. It sounds to me like he and Wheeler are trying to get an innocent man, erroneously convicted, out of prison. Maybe they don't succeed and it's the straw that breaks the camel's back.

IMO, I think Logan will get fired in case he wants to come back.

Well, now that I've seen the USA commercial advertising Chris Noth's final episodes on LOCI, I'm more firmly convinced that they're going to kill him off. Dick Wolfe is obviously shutting the door in his face for good ----

Could we get a link to that, Mogirl? I think a lot of us would be interested.

You can't be serious. I'd go ballistic if they killed him off.

I knew the previews for Ten Count were lying as usual. "Logan's sense of personal responsibility could cost him his job." His job wasn't in danger in this episode! Now maybe the way it ended will lead to Logan questioning whether he wants to continue to be a cop and could lead to a decision to retire in the last episode. As long as he doesn't d...you know.

Good points Vault. I hate to disagree, but I kind of have to in this case. I klnow we will find out soon. I hate to see hie d,...well, you know. But he hated being on Staten island, he is very dedicated to his job and I cannot see him taking leave either for an injury or as a punishment...I think Noth would like to see his character go out with a bang, the most heroic way possible. Like his parnter Lennie, in the line of duty.

Bumping this Thread back to Page 1, as it "appears" (but I could have missed something) to me that this is the only Thread we have on "Last Rights." This doesn't mean that I think anyone should start any more Threads! Let's try letting this be the "Official (and only) Episode Thread" for "Last Rites" (speculation before airing and discussion after airing).

Okay found a couple articles today...one from TV Guide which reads:

"Law and Order: Criminal Intent
Out Of Order
Chris Noth will clock out from his role as LOCI (abbreviated) hotheaded detective Mike Logan this week, after nearly two decades. Logan's swan song begins when he gets involved in a case about a guy who's doing hard time for a crime he didn't commit. To exonerate him, Logan must go up against a very abmitious district attourney, played by 24 vet Leslie Hope. Executive producer Warren Leight, who's also leaving L&O:CI soon to become the showrunner on HBO's In Treatment, says "Everyone tells Logan it's stupid to pick a fight with her". Naturally, he does. "It's a very personal episode for Logan... At times, it's Logan against the world". Will this cop who's seen it all get a happy ending? Says Leight, "I'd say the happiest ending is to go out sWinging".(edited for missing the "w", lol)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..........



The other article was the Cheer and Jeers section...someone (sorry brain has gone bye bye with the persons name right now) mentioned writing an article for it...well it is in this weeks copy. I so agree, Vincent SHOULD have gotten some kind of award for that episode (Untethered...as well as a few others...and what about Eames???)

According to the date (July 29th) these pictures are of Chris during the filming of his last episode, here's the link...
Last Rites?

Are they really killing him off?

Shouldn't this read "go out swinging"?

What if the viewer's don't like JG? Then what?

I dunno... most will, a few won't. Life goes on. It's not like Chris Noth is ever coming back and Vincent and Kate don't want to do more than half of the episodes so, what's the alternative? The Wolf pack is pretty good at churning out the hits, so I don't think it'll be a disaster or anything.

I'm sure the same concerns were voiced when Logan was brought on board 3 years ago.....look at some of the shows that lost major characters, had new ones brought on board, and continued to be successful: MASH, Barney Miller.

Right! And you don't even have to look back that far! Look at Law & Order. With a few exceptions, they've had great casts.

Exactly! Max Greevey for Phil Ceretta, for Lenny Briscoe; then Logan for Rey Curtis, for...you get my point.

Nice pics!




ROFL...yeah swinging...darn now I wanna see Noth go out singing, lolol!



Well, some may not and some will I imagine...but we are viewers...not actors or writers, so i am guessing its up to them. I am all for it, especially if it keeps the show going and keeps Erbe and Vincent working. If Noth has other interests, why should he be where he doesnt wanna be...and would we really want him here if his heart wasn't in it?

Arrest me! Arrest me! I'm guilty! I did it! I confess! *giggle*
::THUD!!!!::

It begs the question.... what song would it be? The only one I can imagine is "My Way". He is a Sinatra man after all.

Good one pfc! Maybe also New York, New York?