Shipping.



Eeeeugh.

To the shippers, I was totally kidding...Although I do recall in Bank, Monk said he didn't banter, when Natalie was complementing him on the unifom, and seemed quite pleased when Stotts complemented him. Hmmm. Maybe there will be a reveal in the final ep of the final season. A SURPRISING reveal.

Uh oh. Crystal's theorizing the Monk is, um, gay? rofl. Duck Crystal--here come the lawn darts flying over the hedge.....

That's okay, Randy will protect me with his garbage can shield.

:::ducking out before BfloGal comes back:::

The pictures are cute, but what episode is the one with Leland hugging Adrian from? That's cute! And just my opinion here, but I don't think Crystal meant anything by posting the pic of Leland. At least I hope not.

Andrea

Just a litte shippy-tease. Check out the contentment of Adrians smile as he nestles his head on Lelands strong shoulder. There are lots of images of Leland and Monk being affectionate. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Tazzy

Must to busta move, before BfloGal...nevermind. I was lurking, and I got caught.

Someone's talking about me behind my back again -- but it's not going to work here.

First of all, I love the Stott/Monk ship -- as long as we're talking about friendship. I love that hug. And instead of a pic of Monk and Natalie on my computer background, I actually have the inspirational poster that Liv did of Monk and Stott. (That smile on TS's face there though actually reminds me of the smile he had in Wings when he danced with Roy.)

Second, Monk's look is priceless in that second pic.

He did seem rather tickled, didn't he? That was so cute.
"I love a good clip on..."

That was at the end of On The Run pt 2.

And why would it be okay to ship Adrian and Natalie but not Adrian and Leland?

I looked like that when I tasted grapefruits. I haven't gone near them since.

Bflogal, I still have that same inspirational poster as my background, too, on both computers. That's kind of vain, isn't it? But they're so cute! And you don't see Adrian smile often. And I love that stupid hat he's wearing.

I'm not saying either is preferable. I enjoy all of them as friends, I was just going by the reactions Monk gave both of them.

Natalie tells him he should try to keep the uniform, etc.
Monk: Are you bantering?
Natalie: (stumbles over words, but basically): I guess so
Monk: I don't banter.

Leland: Did anyone ever tell you you look good in that uniform?
Monk (banter?): I love a good clip on.

Can anyone really talk behind your back on a message board? This is purely my antiship evilness, coming out to play.

See -- even you admit it.

antiship = evilness

I've quoted you -- you can't take it back.

But I will not be baited into an argument. Why should I? It's obvious that they're so in love.

Which pair am I talking about? All of them -- they're all in love.

Monk -- it's just a lovefest.

Lelands wasnt banter. It was a compliment from a cop to a former cop whao wanted to come back. Natalie was bantering. She had only a superficial meaning. Lelands had subtext.

The Leland picture was taken at a dangerous time too - while Monk was still 'wanted' and Leland was protecting him. The Picture with Natalie was taken when things were realtively 'normal' for Monk, mentally. The stress didnt come until a moment later. So it was a superficial reaction as opposed to Lelands pic which was a survival reaction.

On the topic of Monk being gay, you could just as easily say that Tony leans that way and it's coming out in his performance. My point is - there's no support for either 'theory', is there?

Feeling weird,

-M

I don't think it's vain at all -- it's really good. I love it. When I see it on my computer, it makes me smile.

But usually what's on my computer is the USA message board, so I hardly ever see my background anymore.

You can quote the text, but the subtext was not that shipping or anti-shipping is evil. It was my frame of mind when I put the piccies up that was evil. It must've been the three day weekend. I'll blame it on that.

Was I baiting you into an arguement? Hmmm. Maybe I was. It's been a long time. I think maybe that was why the three day weekend evil came out in anti-shipping (or not-the-usual-pair shipping) context. But yah know we'll always be pals, as long as fanfic is even relatively legal.



I didn't say that Leland was bantering. I agree that he paid Adrain a complement - Natalie's complement. The uniform looked good on him. I said that Adrian's reply seemed banter-y. Which was even more of a sting when he had just told Natalie he didn't banter, which is very fiscial...Uh. I'm not as smart as you are, so you'll use your 'words' to get me all confused. But I was only saying that Adrian had a little side-banter w/ Leland.

The jury is still out on fan fic being legal, so I guess we can still be pals. Maybe we can get Liv to put us on an inspirational poster.

But I was teasing you about baiting me into an argument, but we're probably about due for one. Maybe we should hold out for "Pretty Face" and then rent the mud wrestling ring on the bus and just go for it -- whether we have something to argue about or not.

Re: Legal. I, being a former Star Trek fan never really got the whole, "Fanfic might be illegal" thing. I think that Star Trek was just a little more free with it's use of characters and images and logos and stuff. I think that even the actors had been okay with fanfiction. Walter Koenig even said writing fanfic was healthy. And he's a pretty smart dude. I guess.

I wonder what kinda poster we could inspire. A 'hang in there, kid' type thing?

As far as things to keep an eye out for, you might want to add to the mix. Ahem.

And, for the wrestling match, might as well make it Jell-O pudding. That way I could kill two birds with one stone. Throw my back out and then break my diet. Hmmm.

I feel evil sometimes.

Which is a huge problem if your parents named you Damien right before The Omen came out and you've had to seriously consider the possibility of being THE Devil. If not recognizing the possability that others ARE just dumb enough to M.A.C.E.* me for the same fact. (*Murdered by Angry Crowd, Etc.)

Mostly I just write something or daydream my way out of it until the evil feeling passes. The problem is that some people REALLY bring it out of me. I can reach a point where some people are so offensive to me that I have nothing but bile and cold inside to look at them. Of course, it takes a really decent betrayal to reach a shelf like that. But it's still horrible that people can push my buttons like that.

...

You know... When all those people who ever asked me if I was the Devil die... I hope the Devil takes my form when they get there so the first thought in thier head is "D#mn! I REALLY screwed up." (In case hell wasnt enough of, you know, a bummer.)

-M


P.S. - Fanfic Authors of the World - Everything's legal until you they come to get you, and thay are lazy, lazy people.

I think fanfic helps any show.

I mean, think about it. Fan fiction feeds the frenzy. Fan fic readers and writers are obsessive fans -- and obsessive fans do things like buy books and DVD's and bobbleheads. Fan fiction helps keep the obsession alive, and a good fanfic base is the sign of a healthy show that attracts a young audience.

So why would they come after us?

But if they do, I can cease and desist with the best of them.

This is the BEST QUOTE EVER. And the truest. If fanfic were so illegal, then Fanfic.net wouldn't be around. LOL

My mom babysat a kid named Damien. He had problems but I wouldn't say he was evil. I wonder what "Damien" means, anyhoo. Who has a baby name book?

That was pretty odd....Me and BfloGal...uh..apocalypse just got one second closer...

If it weren't for fanfic, Red Dwarf would be a memory. I love fanfic.

Great quote - we can stop worrying about what "they" are going to do to us!
ROFLOL

I love those pics!

Forget that. When fanfic is outlawed only outlaws will write fanfic. I'll xerox it quietly in my secret windowless back room and do mass anonymous mailings if I have to. Fair use is NOT dead, no matter how much the legal system wants to stomp on it.

Do we sue commedians for doing impersonations of well known characters? Because if they're after me and the comedians arent being hunted down like animals then something is very, very wrong.

No, they'll have to take out the entire 'non-professional' practice of art if they want me to stop writing my mind on any topic or with any character. I understand that I shouldnt sell thier characters - but as long as I'm giving of my time for it's own sake it's art and they can bite me.

-M

P.S. - All my life Damien meant "Daimon, a spirit of influence, a Demon as in He is a demon for work." But in the last few years it's meaning changed to "Harmless". I'm hoping that after my life is added to the Damien mix they change it to "Mostly Harmless" (Little Douglas Adams humor there). Oh yeah, and Red Dwarf rules.

I think mostly harmless fits. And I only started reading Hitchikers Guide after Mr Adams passed. But Grant/Naylor are still with us, but I've given up hope for the long awaited Red Dwarf movie. The cast must be using walkers by now.

They went the wrong way with the movie and so it'll just never happen. It should have been a rip roaring adventure through the alternate dimention that they all leapt in to at the end of the final season. Instead they wanted to do a hollywood remake of the beginning of the story - and then make changes to the formula along the way.

It had fiasco written all over it from the get-go. ... wherever that was.

-M

Well, when they outlaw fanfic, I'll send mine to you.

They changed the meaning of my name too.

Barbara means 'stranger.' It's related to a form of the word barbarian.

In the feminine form it's related to a 'strange woman' a euphemism for a prostitute.

The pretty little card at the Bible book store says it means "New-found friend."

Kind of makes you wonder where this friend was found -- and a new meaning to the word friendship.

That's the slogan for our inspirational poster!

CrystalSmith and BfloGal
The apocalypse just got one second closer.

It's like we're involved in symbolism white washing for the PC generation. I mean, Prostitute Barbarian isnt quite New Found Friend and more than Demons are Harmless... Unless...

What if democracy is short for demonic-aristocracy and ... No. I'm not going down that path again.

<smirk>

-M

I agree, although I was the RD fangirl who told EVERYONE that "they" were making a Red Dwarf movie in '99, then 2000, then in '01...then I just gave up.




Well, you're my new-found friend.

My name means either 'Trinity' or "appearence of God", so either way, I'm good.

No more support for it than there is for the Natalie/Adrian camp, in my opinion. And that moment was probably the moment when he was in the least amount of danger in the entire episode, he'd just been cleared and proven innoicent, no one thought he'd murdered anyone anymore, and the bomb had even been disarmed. See? Totally safe.

Look at it this way, not even Adrian Monk is immune to the sexiness of Captain Leland Studelmeyer! That's right, Leland is that damn fine!

Hey Hello,
Ok, I know, it was only a joke...But...Monk being gay!? I just thought: Oh, not again this.
I guess we all heard that a lot after "the Friend" episode. And I think TS made that suspicious gets bigger since his perfomance was too exagerated. And I just hate when he does that. I don't think this contribute to make the character evolute. On the contrary, for me, it's really a waste of time. Not even funny.
I'd rather see Adrian like in the first season: a man, a real man, "just" troubled by a big trauma, still in love for his deceased wife, but with no gay tendencies. And by this, I mean, no screaming and jumping on the coach after a possible new friend phone call, no weird dialogues to imply some gay intention. It's just ridiculous! And, we don't see a development in his personality, what happens in his heart besides his sadness, after all, although this is first a detective series, the background story is important as well and Adrian is a human with, of course, human necessities: cherish, love, sex. Following the pilot episode, it seemed to be most coherent to walk through that way toward a possible chance of begin life again, and some times the writers have shown us that (The Other Woman, the Blackout), but they were not any real advances.
Well, I just think the writers should never go on with this again if they intend to give Adrian a happy end with a new wife or something like this.

Okay, I am always joking when I talk about Monk being gay. Not that theres anything wrong with that. <smirk> But I dont see it in the minds of the writers and directors.

With that said - wouldnt it be totally mad to see him come in and do the Monk character flaming, flaming gay? I know hypnotism was an upcoming mention - dont tell me I avoid spoilers - but wouldnt that just be hilarious? Monk giving Leland and Disher fasion advice, Disher writing it down. Monk doing Julie's hair, girl talk with Natalie... lol.

Dumb? Senseless? Insulting even?

Maybe.

But would I laugh my silly medicated butt off?

Oh yeah. Completely.

-M

OMG! Someone get me a tee shirt and put that on it, please!!! I love it!

All right, all I need now is a picture!

My name means "Pure" but I have always wondered - pure what? I think you guys could probably give me some insight on this.

I love it when they have moments like that, personally. Moments that remind us that you can't fit people into pigeon holes and that might make us uncomfortable to watch, and make us examine why they make us uncomfortable. And I have no problem whatsoever with the possibilty of him playing Adrian a bit ambiguous from time to time. I don't think that they will ever have the character come out, but I don't think it would be a horrible thing if he did. I actually think it would be great if USA had a show that featured an openly gay character. At this late date in Monk though, if the character did come out as gay or bi, it would seem very, very gimmicky. But I still think that Monk/Stottlemeyer makes as much sense as Monk/Natalie or really Monk with any other woman other than Trudy.

Funny. You hit on a secret of life. It's a secret meaning no one really knows. Even the bible seems to be overly occupied with tracing bloodlines. 'Purity' in the 'self' is a royal attribute - also a bloodline driven vehical. Pure blood was a Nazi obsession as well as the cause for strife between light skinned black folks and dark skinned african americans here in the U.S.

If you're looking for a name meaning or spiritual attribute in 'pure' it would probably be 'one who strives for the removal of personal impurities' if you ask me. But then again, it's really late and I cant recall what I just typed.

-M

Well, your words do make sense to me. Particularly, "uncomfortable", "horrible" and "gimmicky" . Just joking! I don't have problems about seeing a gay relationship, I just don't think it's something that combines with Monk's life history. With all his phobias and his reaction when he misunderstood Dr. Kroger talking about taking up a hobby (Masterpiece episode) and telling him he dind't have a partner to dance, I can't see Monk being a gay or bi, so what's the use to include such scenes?
In my opinion, they annul the importance of Monk's drama a little bit. Maybe because this is something the writers really want, since the show is supposed to be a comedy. Anyway, for me, it's out of context.

No, I can't imagine his marriage to Trudy being anything but real, I think he loved her very much, but there are other states of being besides 'gay' and 'straight'. For some people, love doesn't depend on a gender, and some people are surprised to learn that they aren't exactly the person they always thought they were later on in life. Personally, I don't think Adrian thinks of himself as any-sexual, or at most, 'Trudy-sexual'.

I agree with you. Monk is not gay. Also remember in Mr. Monk and Little Monk how much he liked that girl (it is so early I can`t recall her name)? He wanted her to go to the dance with him, she went with Jimmy instead. He liked girls even when he was a kid. And still liked that women when she needed his help in solving her case. Her housekeeper was killed. He even told Natalie, "tell her about Trudy, tell her we went all the way." Also, Ambrose said Monk always had a way with the ladies. Monk said , those were my teachers. Anyway, Ambrose would know if Monk were gay. My Dad and his brothers were pretty shy around girls, they were brought up strict and proper, in Tennessee. They were not gay. Monk is very shy around women. He was shy with Trudy when they first met.
I am not bashing gay people but the writers of Monk put certain things in motion, and Monk being gay is not one of them.

What is this inspirational poster you guys are talking about?

As far as shipping Leland/Adrian, I have no problem with it. Love is love, why does it have to be with the opposite sex...I enjoy the occasional moment that I can ship those two, doesn't happen often and maybe the writers are doing it on purpose, you never know.

Monk may not catch the nuances of communication some times, but his desire to fit in with the people on the force, his desire for Lelands approval in such matters and his 'married man' philosophy (which he seems to live by in spite of the occasional date) make this more of a 'primal' reaction. He 'went with' Lelands compliment more instinctually that Natalie's - not because he's gay but because it made him feel more in tune with his real self and inner goals.

And I think if Sharona had paid him that kind of compliment he would have said 'Thank you' but wondered why she had said it. I can almost picture a "Dont make me dance with you Dr. Kroger" moment between Monk and Sharoa where he acts like she was in love with him and he's trying to let her down easy.

More over, in Natalie's case I think the Banter comment was to decide his reaction. If it was banter, he was done with the conversation. If it wasnt banter, it might have been flirting, hitting on, or a number of other things that would have brought out all sorts of reactions.

But Leland's comment wasnt either of these things and Monk knew that. So he had the option of just 'enjoying' the chat without giving it any more thought.

In my opinion.

-M

I think we need more love and understanding in this world of all kinds. Who's to judge? Love and affection doesn't always have to include sexual attraction just an true appreciation for the good attributes of another human being. Monk lives in San Francisco which has a large gay, lesbian, and transgendered population. I always wondered why the show doesn't reflect this. It would be fun to watch Stott and Monk go undercover in the leather bars of the Castro district. Stott already has the 1970's Villiage People leather man mustache and would be quite convincing in this role as the leather top man alpha male and Monk the submissive. The Gay Pride parade could be fun also as long as it is shot in a respectful manner and how it really is intendeded as a gay Mardi Gras. Just a thought!

Maybe, this is just a male bonding thing. There are different types of love. I love both males and females for different reasons. Some are my friends, some are my family. I think Leland and Monk love each other in a close frienship way.

IMHO, I just can`t see the writers doing this. Somehow, no matter what, someone would be offended. I think Monk should stay as it is.

OMG I leave the board for 2 days and this is what I return to???

Liv did this one -- I love it. I use it as my computer background.

Man, I have been saying this episode needs to be made for *years*! It would be so funny! Those leather daddies would take one look at Monk and fall in love, it would be like dressing a woman in a Catholic school girl's uniform and sending her into a straight bar! He'd look so corruptible.