It's obvious that over the years of their partnership, Goren and Eames have pre-determined their roles in particular instances. In hostage situations, Goren (because of his physical superiority) goes in and Eames gets help. It's unfair and childish to accuse Eames of being a coward, a 10 year old who ran away. Very unfair & very innaccurate.

Besides, it was obvious that Marla wasn't that much of a threat. She didn't kill the teacher & the admissions rep. There were severaL times that Goren could have grabbed the gun from her, but he felt that he could wait her out, deal with her. He went to the window & opened the shade, to allow backup to see in. As Chrtisine mentioned, this wasn't as deadly as the "Siren Call" confrontation.




Deputize their teachers? This in New York City, not the Ozark.



WORD Christine. I thought that Eames could have been a bit more proactive in "Siren Call", but others have pointed out that she was still reeling from "Blind Spot."




I totally agree. He was quick & decisive. He knows what he's doing, and I doubt that he hurt her at all (physically).

My take is that before she made the comment "I'm irreplaceable." that Goren wasn't sure how he was going to handle her - meaning hugging her & leading her out gently vs. the abrupt pinning against the wall. He did feel empathy for her until that moment. He knows the aloneness that she feels. However, after that comment, he realized that she had no remorse about the murders. It was all about her. That's why his expression changed from compassion to steely determination and he pinned her so Eames could arrest her.


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And your posts aren't a simple obvervation, they are more like a vendetta.

Fine, whatever, call me a troll if you want but I'm not going anywhere and I will continue to point out what I see, even if it makes the Eames apologists unhappy. Live with it or go away.

And as I stated, several times now, I never called Eames a coward, I said she was always given the traditional female jobs to do. If you're going to bash my posts, at least read them, for god's sake.

And on the "deputize the teachers" line--again, you didn't read further, I said I was being sarcastic and went on to describe the extensive training I received as a teacher in a private school in urban California. Your posts lose credibility if you can't respond accurately.

Are you serious? Saying that Eames chooses to leave the room instead of helping Bobby is saying that she is a coward. Let's not split hairs, OK?

You have to understand that this board flies with posts. Many of us can't sit here for hours reading I writing comments. We also can't scrutinize every post & dissect every phrase to look for sarcasm. Most people skim...and when I skin your particular posts, these negative, odd phrases jump out.

Perhaps instead of worrying about the credibility of other people's posts, you should worry about your own?

I would just like to repeat that I liked that Eames quickly volunteered to put up Bobby's response on Craigslist. The looks exchanged reminded of the looks exchanged on Masquerade when Eames dropped him off on his date and said "call me if you need a ride." Bobby looked unsure of what to do. It cracked me up. It was nice to see humor once again. :

I've always thought Bobby's awkward shyness when it comes to dating or sex very charming. He can chat up any suspect and make them sing like a canary, he's glib as can be in an interrogation room or with talking with peers, but that subject--he turns into an geeky teenager. It's beguiling.

Besides, it was obvious that Marla wasn't that much of a threat. She didn't kill the teacher & the admissions rep. There were severaL times that Goren could have grabbed the gun from her, but he felt that he could wait her out, deal with her. He went to the window & opened the shade, to allow backup to see in. As Chrtisine mentioned, this wasn't as deadly as the "Siren Call" confrontation.

WORD Christine. I thought that Eames could have been a bit more proactive in "Siren Call", but others have pointed out that she was still reeling from "Blind Spot."


My take is that before she made the comment "I'm irreplaceable." that Goren wasn't sure how he was going to handle her - meaning hugging her & leading her out gently vs. the abrupt pinning against the wall. He did feel empathy for her until that moment. He knows the aloneness that she feels. However, after that comment, he realized that she had no remorse about the murders. It was all about her. That's why his expression changed from compassion to steely determination and he pinned her so Eames could arrest her.


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Sometimes I wonder if Bobby actually feels empathy for these people, or is just a good profiler/interrogator and knows what they want to hear. He has a certain reverance for children--I think it was equal parts anger and professionalism that made him pin Marla the way he did. She killed parents, leaving them without mothers and fathers...and we know how he feels about that.

Back to the episode.

Did anyone notice what Goren said to the two bound women in the classroom? When he sat next to them he whispered "I'm gonna take care of you."

Classic Goren, taking care of the situation. I've missed this particular characterization of him. Dressed professionally, rested, confident, brain working at top speed. This episode is a sheer joy to watch if you are a VDO/Goren fan, IMO.

I think he does. His dedication to justice overrides it, but a complex person can experience two conflicting emotions at the same time. It's exactly because of that empathy (coupled with his intellect of course) that he can get into their heads so effectively to manipulate the situation to a safe and just resolution.

The perfect example of this was in "Want." He could absolutely empathize with the broken soul in front of him while hating what that sickness had wrought.

What is it the Christians say? Hate the sin, not the sinner? Something like that. Every one of us has something left in us the Lord made. Even though it doesn't excuse the act. Ultimately we all have to take responsibility for what we do in the world. I think our Bobby can get his arms around all of that at once.

I think that might have had more to do with Bobby empathizing with a mentally ill (post-partum depressed) mother, again something he's very familiar with (although of course Frances was schizophrenic, not post-partum.) He's well aware of what psychosis can drive someone to, but when another person is driving another already weakend person, well, that gets the chivalrous and protective Bobby's dander up--

On this, we can agree.

Hey, ciaddict--who had the buns of steel? (Your avatar).

Who?

*points at Enaka* Yes! That's what I meant. But I didn't mind the misunderstanding at all...

*points at Enaka* Yes! That's what I meant. But I didn't mind the misunderstanding at all...

Hehe... the list gives these titles to you based on how many posts you've made. Someone posted the whole list over on the "Off topic" thread. I'm holding out for "Pooh-Bah". I just like the name.

Ya... and really human. I think that's a big slice of why we all love him so much. It's hard to relate to someone who's just great at everything. But great in some areas and shyly awkward in others? Who can't relate to that? I don't know why, but there is something just irresistible about boyishness on a big man. Beguiling is definitely the word for it.

It reminds me also of something in one of the writer interviews when she said they rarely make the villains purely evil. They usually have something sympathetic or at least pitiable about them. It just makes for a more layered, complex story.

Also, as far as the villians not being purely evil, the episode with Neil Patrick Harris comes to mind.

He's too busy on CBS in his own show How I Met You Mother.

He looked young, but successful. And he had kids (plural). My guess would be a young looking 35-37 years of age?

Hubby and I do Pre cana class for couples marrying in the Catholic Church. It's like a mimi prep for what marriage will be like. In New York, the average age of couples marrying is late 20's to early thirties. Of course, there are exceptions. But young people today marry later and have children later than they did years ago.

I thought, (like others have mentioned) that Goren was too quick to flash that badge, thus ending his discomforting experience. It would have been a better bust if he had gone with Kev to get his "reward."

Yeah, Bobby's level of discomfort had pretty much boiled over within 3 seconds of Size 9's "offer". One of the funnier moments in the entire show.

Is it me, but I don't see this woman as a serial killer, at least not without more back story? She was quite the tiger when she refused to give Goren the gun, not intimidated one bit by his size or his role as a police officer. Her sassy comment to Eames, "Honey, I'm a great shot" didn't sound like a woman devoid of self-confidence. Didn't she move alone to NYC to become a dancer? That certainly takes guts.

Anyone agree?

Is it me, but I don't see this woman as a serial killer, at least not without more back story? She was quite the tiger when she refused to give Goren the gun, not intimidated one bit by his size or his role as a police officer. Her sassy comment to Eames, "Honey, I'm a great shot" didn't sound like a woman devoid of self-confidence. Didn't she move alone to NYC to become a dancer? That certainly takes guts.

Anyone agree?

Yes. I think her lonliness and depression, plus the constant disapproval of her mother in law, may have pushed an ordainarily sane and reasonable person over the brink. It happens.

I also wanted to comment--please don't take this as my being an advocate of suicide in general, but it almost would have been better for everyone if Marla had killed herself. Either way, her son has lost his mother. This way, he won't see her again until after he's graduated from the (no doubt Ivy-League) college. If she had killed herself, he could still have some reverence about his mother as he was growing up, remember only that his mother (as far as we saw) loved him and was taken by mental illness, not her fault. Now he's going to know that his mother killed 3 people and wound up in Rikers, that is, if she ever is granted parole. It's a lose-lose situation all around.

Yes. I think her lonliness and depression, plus the constant disapproval of her mother in law, may have pushed an ordainarily sane and reasonable person over the brink. It happens.

I also wanted to comment--please don't take this as my being an advocate of suicide in general, but it almost would have been better for everyone if Marla had killed herself. Either way, her son has lost his mother. This way, he won't see her again until after he's graduated from the (no doubt Ivy-League) college. If she had killed herself, he could still have some reverence about his mother as he was growing up, remember only that his mother (as far as we saw) loved him and was taken by mental illness, not her fault. Now he's going to know that his mother killed 3 people and wound up in Rikers, that is, if she ever is granted parole. It's a lose-lose situation all around.

Also, someone suggested a possible psychiatric defense. I don't think that would be successful. Maybe for the hostage scenario, but the murders were well planned, executed and covered up. She clearly knew right from wrong and the consequences of her actions. The best she could hope for there would be to stay crazy enough that she's deemed unfit to stand trial and unable to assist in her defense. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in that scenario if she ever became competant, she'd then be subject to prosecution.