I don't really have a PA Dutch accent (originally from New York) but I do have the fast talkin thing. This town is full of transplants so I generally do OK... but especially on the phone, I have to remind myself to slooowww doowwnnn.

I still miss the pumpkin roll, but down here they make some kick-ass banana pudding so that kind makes up for it.

If you want, I can send you some pumpkin roll when I make it this fall--PM me.
I have an aunt who lives outside of Chah-lat, and years ago she brought me Cheerwine soda. Yummy!

Here's a case that has Bobby Goren written all over it---Did you guys hear about the poor woman that died in the emerengy room yesterday? After being there for over 24 hours, and lying in the floor dying for over an hour, with the security guard staring at her and doing nothing?

Unfortunately that is an all too common situation, especially in an overworked, undertrained, understaffed and frankly overwhelmed psychiatric facility (where this woman died). The only thing that's criminal about this terrible situation is negligence. Security guards are no replacement for medical staff. If it hadn't been for the fact that the New York Civil Liberties Union had found a surveillance tape of what happened, we wouldn't have even heard about.

I can kind of see where the security guards were coming from (and for the record, it appears that they were looking at the television above her, not at her). The woman had been there twenty-four hours waiting for a bed after being admitted against her will, it was 5:30 in the morning when she collapsed. No one saw her fall, they just saw her laying on the floor, and may have assumed that she'd just gotten tired and laid down. They should have gone over and at least tried to check on her, but there's really nothing to be done now except get better staff at that hospital.

Here's another case I found....saw a repeat of "City Confidential":
--the Mia Zapata murder, out in Seattle (somewhere around 1993, I believe).

Mia Zapata was the lead singer of the grunge band The Gits--had either just recorded a CD or about to record--anyway, she was found murdered, stretched out on a sidewalk similar to a crucifixion pose. Her case went cold, but her rapist/murderer was found over 10 years later and convicted via DNA evidence. Unsolved Mysteries had done a nice segment on her case back in the 1990s as well.

Person Of Interest Commits Suicide In Missing Hilton Head Couple Case Police in prestigious Hilton Head Island, S.C., are looking for a couple who has been missing since Monday, March 3, 2008. Police say John and Elizabeth Calvert were last around 5:30 p.m., leaving a community meeting near the Harbour Town Basin Resort on Hilton Head Island. The couple, who live on a nearby yacht, failed to appear for work the next day. Police have learned a man they were calling a person of interest has committed suicide, leaving behind notes.
This couple is still missing and police have not released any news about progress toward solving the case. There are family members to consider but this would make an interesting LO:CI episode some day.

There's also the amazing and creepy and entirely true story of Blanche Taylor Moore of Alamance County, NC who murdered half a dozen people over 25 years with arsenic casseroles. She got away with it until she tried to murder her 2nd husband, Rev. Dwight Moore.
http://www.thetimesnews.com/common/printer/view.php?db=burlington&id=146

That whole incident is just too sad. Hard to imagine how that could have happened.

I love your siggy. It is priceless.

I will check at Wal Mart next time I go. I'm in need of a good book.
So nice of you to credit me with your avitar. Makes me feel important

let me know if you can't find it......when my friend gives my copy back I can send it on to you.
I like to give credit where credit's due!! BTW, really like your avatar pic, very sexy one of VDO, IMO.

anyway, here's another case I came upon, I mentioned it in another thread: The Monster of Florence case--just finished a book about it, written by Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi. It's Italy's longest-running serial murder case. Couples were being murdered in lover's lanes around Florence, starting around 1974 and the last known murder was 1985 (I believe). Kind of reminds me of Green River, how people involved in the case were really affected by it, plus the pissing contests that went on with the different groups that investigated. The authors actually were targeted by the Italian police due to this case. Totally fascinating case, IMO.

Here's another one I found.....kind of reminds you of that dentist from "Beast",,,,the Barton Corbin case, from Georgia. Barton Corbin was a dentist who murdered his wife and a past girlfriend, both shot to death, tried to make it look like suicide. Just started reading the book about the case by Ann Rule.

Ann Rule, I used to read her a lot. If things ever again settle down in my life. I need to make a list of all these books and authors. This sounds like a great story.
I will let you know if I can't find Criminally Insane. Thanks for wanting to share.

no problem....just let me know when you're ready.

My friend called me last night and said she had watched Dominick Dunne and he did a story on a case that happened in our county, up in the mountains. I found out it came on again and I watched it, although I missed the first few minutes. It's pretty interesting and would make a good case for our guys. It happened in the early 90's, when I was in Oregon so I didn't hear about it at the time. But I met someone connected with the case a few years ago and called my sister. She was a Sheriff's deputy at the time and her husband was the resident CHP for Camp Nelson at the time, and she told me about it. But I had forgotten a lot.

A couple named Hood were big time developers or something in--already I've forgotten the town where they lived, but it was in San Bernadino County. The wife fell in love with Camp Nelson here in the mountains above Tulare County and they bought it. They began renovating the camp, including the lodge. The wife--I think her name was Bonnie--pretty much moved up here and her husband and kids stayed down south. They took turns commuting on weekends. Well, Bonnie and her Indian handyman, Rudy, were found shot in her bedroom. She was dead. Rudy was shot in the head, but was still alive and he survived.

Two months later they arrested a man from Fontana named Beecham. He was at the lodge that weekend, which the police thought was curious since he lived in a run-down trailer and owed money everywhere--so how could he afford a weekend at a fancy lodge at Camp Nelson? They found one of his fingerprints on a beer bottle in the lodge, the imprint of a shoe that was the same brand that he wore, and a couple of people in town said he was showing off a gun that same weekend, and Rudy had identified him from a photo lineup as the man who shot him. Oh, and he was also employed by Mr. Hood. There were rumors of financial problems, marital problems, and of course there was the handyman in the wife's bedroom at night. So they thought the husband hired Beecham to kill the wife. But he wouldn't give him up and they had no evidence to tie him to the husband. So they went with a robbery gone wrong scenario at trial. They thought once he was convicted, he would turn on the the husband to get a lighter sentence. But they were totally shocked when he was acquitted. The jury didn't buy the robbery theory and Rudy had a lot of previous arrests and convictions, so they didn't believe him.

Sometime later (I wasn't paying close enough attention to the timeline), there was a 911 call from the husband's office. He said he had just shot a man who was trying to kill him. Yep, it was Beecham. Hood said he had been threatening him and he arranged a meeting at his office to try to get him to stop. But he said Beecham tried to kill him and he shot him in self-defense. Beecham had a gun in his hand when the police arrived. Hood shot him 7 times and he fell onto a concrete floor, but still had the gun in his hand. There was blood splatter everywhere, except on the gun. And Beecham was left-handed, but the gun was in his right hand. So Hood was charged with murder. They thought Beecham was blackmailing him and he killed him to stop it. One juror caused a hung jury the first time, but the second time he was tried he was convicted.

Hi Goddess! I'm sure they will come up with a story about the church shooting today, as sad as it is.

There's a couple here on LI who were just convicted of keeping a slave. That would be interesting.

That would be something that would really anger Bobby.

I know! Particularly in light of the fact that it was a female slave. The couple are of Indian/Pakistani origin (I believe they are immigrant doctors), and their caste system belief comes into play, but if you live in the U.S. of A., you can't be doing that here....It's an interesting case IMO, and, of course, the local media is having a field day with it.

Found one from PA----Judyg may have heard about this one.

This was listed in The Doe Network website for PA; a woman whose dismembered body was found in 3 suitcases (if I remember right), in a ravine near a creek and bridge. This was back in the late 1970s and the woman was never ID'd.

Here's another one from Judyg's area, but more recent:
The case of Hugo Silinski (? sp)---5 bodies were found on his property, he had been arrested, held in Lycoming County prison, but had managed to tie sheets together and escape out a window---am I right, Judy? I believe a more detailed listing about his case is on www.wnep.com. I don't believe he's gone to trial yet; big shakeup at the prison due to his escape.

That is an interesting case. Definately in need of Goren and Eames.

In the news today:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/01/anthra...f=ib_topstories

I believe "A Person of Interest" derived from this.

Indian/ Pakistani doctors. That's scary. We have a couple of Indian Dr's here in this town but I think they are ok. I hope.

For some reason this case made me think of the Ray and Faye Copeland case here in Mo. They were an elderly couple that hired homeless men with the promise of improving their lives. Actually they hired them as part of a scheme to defraud other farmers of their livestock with bad checks. Then to cover up their crime they would murder the homeless men. When they were caught they found the bodies if 5 men. Ray Cpopeland, I believe, died before coming to trial and only his wife was tried. She was found guilty and sentenced to death. I think her children somehow got the sentence commuted to life.

I had a Pakistani OB/GYN when I had my son. He was very good and a Dr. who was from that region, I'm not sure of his nationality, saved my husband's life when he was a baby.

Interesting. Causes one to wonder will we ever know for sure?

I have a book called "True Stories of Law and Order"----the authors took 25 cases that inspired Mothership episodes, did a synopsis of the RL cases and mentioned at the start of each chapter what happened in the mothership epi vs. RL.
Good book IMO---included the Kitty Genovese case, Robert Chambers, the fire in the illegal dance club. Lenore, if you want to read it, let me know.
Recently a similar book came out for SVU, so I figure it's a matter of time before there's one done for CI.

It'd be interesting if they combined the "Great White" incident (where illegally set pyrotechnics caught a bar on fire because the low ceiling covered in foam for soundproofing caught fire) and another recent one where "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott (along with three other concert goers) were shot by a guy who thought Dimebag was sleeping with his girlfriend. Perhaps a fire is started by a stage hand as a cover for killing the lead singer?

You're right Quaxo....I remember all the publicity about both cases. My brother is a diehard Pantera fan and was really upset about Dimebag Darrell. If I remember right, VH1 did a "Behind the Music" about Pantera, and there was some controversy about what happened to Dimebag and (I think) some talk about Philip Anselmo--that an interview he gave got the shooter upset enough to do the shooting. Cemetery Gates by Pantera is one of my favorite songs......got goosebumps writing this about Dimebag Darrell.

That RI fire was heartbreaking. I'll never forget that. Nearly a hundred people died.

Yes, I would like to read that. Send after you get back from vacation. I'll send thr movie Guy if you want to see it. PM me when you want it.

Brand new today: a young man (early 20s) was arrested for murdering 2 other men, dismembering them and burying them in his parents' backyard. The 2 men were missing for 7-10 days. Word is that it was a drug deal gone bad, but one of the murdered men was married with children, so the story is still unfolding.

Sadly, this happened in the town next to mine.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/17108355/detail.html

This guy "Rockerfeller"-they have no idea who he really is-kidnapped his young daughter while he was having a supervised visit with her in Boston recently. They were found in Baltimore-the daughter was fine and the man arrested. When they took his fingerprints they found that they were connected to an unsolved homicide from the 1990's in CA. He has had numerous aliases supposedly his ex-wife and mother of his daughter isn't sure exactly who he is een though they were married for 13 (I think) years.

If you get a chance to see this new series on Investigation Discovery, check it out:

It's called "Wicked Attraction" and it's about pairs of killers....the 1st episode dealt with the Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka case, out of Canada. Oldgoalie52 may remember this one....it's from either the late 1980s or early 1990s.
This pair acted togther to rape and murder at least 3 young women, one of which was Homolka's younger sister. They did marry, and within a short time of the marriage Bernardo started beating Homolka, and she ended up turning state's evidence against him. One of the bodies had been dismembered, encased in cement, and thrown into a lake near Ontario; the cement was found once the lake waters had receded and a fisherman had checked out the cement since he felt it didn't look right, I think he broke the cement and found the body that way.
They're in prison still (at least Bernardo is, Homolka may be out). A lot was discussed about the psychology of this case, how Bernardo was able to get Homolka to do his bidding. I think Bill Kurtis also did a show about this pair too.

I'll have to check that out. Wow that's pretty creative to dismember a body then encase in cement. If the waters hadn't receded the body would probably never have been found.

I think that's what broke the case---when the concrete was found, Bernardo then severely beat Homolka, blaming her for the body in the concrete being found, that she should've known about the lake water receding. There were pics of her on the show after the beating, it literally looked as if she was wearing a Zorro-type mask due to the black bruising around her eyes and cheeks. It was sometime after the beating (if I remember right) that Homolka turned on Bernardo. Her sentence was relatively light (I think no more than 15 years or so), and he ended up with life in prison (again I think so).

How many of us want to bet that the shootings near where KRod lives, end up as a CI episode?
Look at how what happened to Anne Hathaway got worked into Last Rites with Wheeler and her fiance (poor Wheeler! )

There's also a recent case in Schuylkill County, PA---east of where I live, where a murder was finally solved after 23 years.

Here's a case in my area that's been getting a lot of publicity recently: the Babara Miller disappearance.

Barbara Miller disappeared from Northumberland County, PA in 1989. The #1 suspect in her disappearance is her then-boyfriend, a former cop. Multiple searches have been done for evidence, or her remains--including caves along the Susquehanna River, and old strip mining areas in the township my parents live in.
Recently bones were found under a home her boyfriend lived in at the time of her disappearance, but were proven to be animal.

This link is from a newspaper, near where I live:
www.dailyitem.com/0100_news/local_story_243004528.html?start:int=0

If you also go to www.doenetwork.org , there is a link there for her case: go to seach database, type in either her Doe Network case # (601DFPA) or type in her name.

I think the show should do a few that are more darker. Kind of like a case of Ed Gein and Jeffery Dohmer, excuse the spelling and if anyone else mentioned this, sorry, but I'd rather not go through every post. It would be cool if they did an episode on a family that kills, kind of like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I know, that was not a true story.

Or an episode...Two Parter....of a Seven type of thing. Not saying they should change the dynamic of each episode, but if they did a few more creepy ones like that family of Gypsies was a good one. Or Nicole's boyfriend and his group of zombies was also a good one. So why not make go into some of the weirder cases they could possibly do. Just thoughts.

They've done Dahmer in the fifth season with a stellar performance by Neil Patrick Harris. The human suit thing has kind of been owned by Silence of the Lambs.

Actually, I'd like to see on with a major sports star killing his family ala Chris Benoit in a steroid rage. So they have to figure out who's giving out the syringes etc.

How about an episode that is based off that man was hit by a car and no one did anything to help him. A twist could be the man taht hit him was a Mayor or Mayor's son.

Of course a good one could be the current case with the missing child and the mom not cooperating. THe twist could be the mom is being threatened to have got rid of her child or she is too scared to talk to police because it was police officers that took her.

I also saw an interesting case where a man robbed a bank with a bomb attached to his head. He died later when it actually blew up. Year later two people were arrested as the leaders. The guy that was killed was in on the plot, but didn't know the bomb was real. Very interesting.

I hope they put those shootings into a CI episode and it is Goren and Eames. That would be cool although the shootings were not.
I wish they would write a book about LOCI cases like the one you sent me about the Law and Order.

My guess is that a book about CI cases will be coming soon....the one I sent you was for the mothership. One for SVU was published about 6-9 months ago, or so. So I'm guessing one for CI is on the way....I will be waiting for it with bated (but fresh) breath. lol

Ah, yes---the Chris Benoit case. Would be interesting to see as a CI episode, and have the people giving the drugs be held accountable.

You're right about Want---that was a great episode IMO, quite chilling.

I quoted this over here--near the end of the interview EB mentions the Alan Berg case in relation to his play and movie Talk Radio.......the 1st true crime book I ever owned was Talked To Death, about the Alan Berg case.
Alan Berg was a talk radio host, out in Denver I believe. He was assassinated by members of the Aryan Nation, due to his religious beliefs and the controversial things Berg would say on the radio.
Part of this case may have inspired the Nelda episode (forget the title right now), but the manner of death is totally different.
Anyway, it's an interesting case to read about, and how the murderers were caught.

Welcome Detectiveofsorts!

I believe that was used as a jumping off point for "Pas de Deux" from season 3.

Caught another episode of Wicked Attraction yesterday (only part, had to turn it since my sons were in the room...). Anyway....the episode dealt with the case of Sante Kimes and her son Ken Kimes Jr.
They were partners in crime: grifters, thieves, and then murderers. They'd murdered a businessman in CA, and a socialite (and I think former Ziegfeld Girl) in NYC--I don't believe the socialite's body was ever found, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Years ago, I'd read a book about them called Son of a Grifter.....Sante Kimes' eldest son Kent Walker had written it. It was a great book, painfully honest---Kent was very honest about his mother and brother, and how his mother initially wanted him to be her partner in crime, and he doesn't hold back about what he himsef (Kent) did.

I really like for them to do a case about the Shawn Hornbeck kidnapping, who everyone around here don't know he was abducted in 2002 at the age of 11 and found alive at the age of 15 on Janurary 12, 2007, after being held captive for more than 4 years. I like to see how Goren is to a kidnapping case, compare to a murder case.

I remembered reading this thread a couple of weeks ago, and thought I'd post an idea that came to me today while I was visiting a local sanctuary that rescues abused and neglected animals.

It would be interesting for LOCI (Goren and Eames would be my team pick) to do their spin on the Michael Vick dog-fighting case, or perhaps team with the ASPCA on another related issue...kind of "LOCI meets Animal Precinct". I don't know if the original Law and Order has already done this. I would think that animal fighting could be a major case crime, since other criminal activities are usually present as well.

Also, Det. Goren is great with kids...I'd love to see him be that caring and compassionate with the 4-legged variety as well.

Interesting idea.....whether it be the Vick case, or seeing G/E with animals......

I've been thinking about going through the episodes and trying to figure out which true case inspires an episode....a daunting task, and some episodes are more obvious than others (think Want).

That would really interesting. I was just watching "Faith" this evening, and it just occurred to me that the editor in "Faith" had the same sort of devotion, and drew the same kind of inspiration, from a young child with a terminal illness (albeit fake) as Oprah Winfrey displayed toward a little boy named Mattie. He passed away from a rare condition a few years ago, but while he was alive, Oprah had him on her show several times and held his thoughts and writings in high regard as wise beyond his years. The connection is subtle, if there is one.

If I notice of any others, I'll post here for you if that's helpful.

I'm actually surprised that they havent done a story like that. Expecially in light of Elizabeth Smart, who was abducted and was missing for almost a year before she was found. These stories were such big headline stories. Granted, I could see where this would be moe appropriate to SVU (if it hasn't already been done)

About two weeks ago, I think up in Kentucky somewhere, a woman and her two children were
killed by the direct tv guy. That would be a good one, the murderer just someone completely
out of the blue. And of course anything with kids causes a really emotion driven episode.