Bear with me.....my 1st time starting a new topic!

OK, we can pick out which episodes were inspired by true crime---think "Want", "Rocket Man".
Is there a true crime that you can think of that might be great to inspire an episode of CI?

One that I'd thought of was the Crafts case in CT, aka "The Woodchipper Murder":
--Helle Crafts (a flight attendant) had been murdered by her husband Richard (an airline pilot) back in 1986 (I believe). Basically, he disposed of her body by freezing it, dismembering her with a chainsaw, and sending her remains through a woodchipper. If I remeber right, only about 1 oz of total remains and a few hairs were recovered of her body. This is the case that brought Dr. Henry Lee national prominence. Richard Crafts had been convicted of his wife's murder--not sure if he's still alive or not.

Or what about the Main Line Murders (the murder of Susan Reinert and the disappearance of her children Michael and Karen)--Joseph Wambaugh did a great book about that case, Echoes In The Darkness.

Let me know what you think about this topic!

This does sound interesting. Before I got so into loci I used to watch true crime shows all of the time. Right now there are three that come to mind. The BTK killer. He was married with children and led an apparently normal life but every now and then felt the need to kill, always women. They caught him through the computer at his church some how. Don't remember the details. Another is Precious Doe. They found her body in the K. C. Mo. area and it was many years before they even knew her real idenity. Once they found out who she was they solved the crime quickly. Another one that comes to mind are the many murders of K. C. and Independence, Mo Prostitutes. I don't recall if they caught the killer or not, I think they did but I don't recall the details.

Thanks Bubba and lenore!

I remember hearing about those cases--I enjoy watching Bill Kurtis' shows also.

The Green River case also comes to mind--can you imagine MCS with something like this?

Was that the same concept they used for Precious Doe in SVU?

I'm not sure---that epi I missed. Can anyone help out?

I have some...I can think of that Virgina Tech shootings, then there's R.Kelly's rape case, and those mine cave ins back in January 2007.

there is a case in my area. Female solider was killed, even though her body was never found. However, a couple of years ago, someone mailed a local TV anchor her jawbone, then a few months later another bone. I believe her husband has been arrested for the murder.

You know now that you mention it I think they did do one on the Precious Doe concept. I don't watch svu with the same dedication I watch loci but I think you are correct. She was about 4 yrs old, an African American child. I am from the K. C. area and it covered the news for years.

I can think of a few NY cases that were recently in the headlines, but here's one:

1. 25 year old found guilty of strangling her 50 year old husband. She claims he attacked her, but there was no evidence of that

Another from the headlines of VA or GA (can't recall even though the story broke today!)

2. 77 year old woman said to be a black widow. Had 5 husbands in 50 years- 4 died while married to her. 3 were shot, one may have been poisoned with arsenic, and the 5th was thwarted when a hitman was arrested.

Those sound good. Another one I thought of that maybe they could do something with is Ed Gein, now there is a really creepy fellow.

They could do something around the Polygamy stuff going around the US, just add murder to it. Maybe a reporter could be getting ready to Out a "Big Tycoon" or "Senator" of Polygamy and gets killed.

How about a Governor caught in a prostitution scandal???? Or a Governor caught cheating on his wife with his male lover? Add murder and you've got something....

Didn't the original just do something like that with the Mayor?

nah, it was the Governor. . .

still waiting for the originial to repeat that episode I missed it, I miss lupo

I confess...I stopped watching the original when Benjamin Bratt left.....and I discovered LO:CI...

Giving this some thought and here's a few more that I came up with:

--the Night Stalker case.
--the Hollywood bank robber: Ann Rule included this case in her Crime Files. It happened out in Seattle, I think during the late 1980s or early 1990s (Scott Scurlock).
--there's a case from central PA of an Amish man who'd been murdered by his tenants (his last name was Beachey, I believe).
--The Tracy Kroh case: teenaged girl who disappeared in 1989 from Millersburg, PA. Some of her belongings were found in a nearby creek 4 years later. Rumor has it she was buried under a swimming pool in that area (she's on doenetwork.com).
--Herb Baumeister: suspected serial killer from Indianapolis, committed suicide before he was charged. His wife actually found remains on their property but never contacted police.

That's an interesting thought jryan.

I also thought of Charles Ng from California.
There was a guy, I think, here in the KC area that would lure prostitutes into his house. Then take them to his basement for mental and physical torture, eventually killing them. He would make them say to their children how sorry, they were, for what they did and etc.

How about something based off all those feet washing ashore in British Columbia? Six feet in the last few months! And I think four of them have been right feet. None of the match each other. They think it might be remains from a plane crash a decade ago, but it would be interesting to see what Goren and Eames would make of six feet and a big wet crime scene.

I'm from the Kansas City area, and I often recognize stories that are on VU from the headlines of the Kansas City star.

The SVU ep with the religous family where they though that the kid was killed when they wre praying for him, or that there was abuse: There was a case in kc where a pastor beat his son to death...some of the details were similar sounding to the original direction the ase started to go.

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Now that would be an interesting case......one I haven't heard of before.
An ocean crime scene--how do you rope off the ocean to investigate the crime scene?

Well, as we saw in Mad Hops, you analyze the water that's soaked in the sneaker. Apparently the sixth foot has now been revealed to be a fake, but still, four left feet in four months? WEIRD.

As someone joked "Canadians are so nice, they don't have serial killers, they have serial maimers"

Especially considering Bobby doesn't like the beach!

yes, that's right---forgot about that, and you can do a diatom analysis too.

the above reminds me of the Peter Kupaza (? spelling?) case--I think it was Wisconsin.

Just caught an epi of "Investigative Reports"----IMHO, Bill Kurtis would be a great guest for CI!

Anyway, the show was about the I-45 killings in Texas--looks like there's possibly a few serial killers active down there. I think the show is several years old, so can anyone from TX give an update?
Thanks!

Would they call the ep: "Six Feet Under"
(Zuxende apologizes for the bad pun-I couldn't resist)

It does kind of tie in with the LOCI promo with the severed hand on the desk.
However, I don't think that human remains would still be intact after a decade.
Interesting plot though.

ROTFLMHO!

I've been following the story too (my family lives near there) and I think that is so wrong that someone would put an animal foot in a shoe and try to pass it off as one of these feet.

But why are they all left feet? If they are really from the plane crash wouldn't we be seeing right feet and arms and hands as well? Why just left feet?

I think CI should do something on this, When I came on here this is what I was coming to talk about, but you beat me too it .

Maybe they should do something about the Toronto 18, terrorists with a stupid plan (cause you know all the native American's want to convert Islam and attack Quebec! )

It has to do with currents, left feet with their different angle will travel in a completely different direction than right feet. The right feet have travelled in a different direction.

The shoes with their padding and rubber, will float in the water, as opposed to other limbs which will sink.

CI already did an eipsode about a funeral director that wasn't cremating bodies, just burying them. Maybe a funeral director is just throwing them out to sea. Yuck.

Why don't have a CI episode based in Las Vegas; Vegas should have some interesting real cases to be ripped and possibly, a CSI crossover.

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Is it me, or did the beginning of Betrayed mention the disclaimer about being partially based on a true story, but is fiction? Or am I just imagining it?
If it did say that, does anyone have any idea which case it might be based on?

Your from the KC area, that's interesting. I lived in Oak Grove for many years. I raised my children there. I don't recall these cases but that doesn't mean I haven't heard of them. The pastor beating his son to death kind of rings a bell.

I watched Bill Curtis the other day and he had the Darlie Routier case on. She was conficted of killing her 2 boys and then having the silly string BD party over the graves. This incident seems to have been what conficted her. She still maintains her innocence. From the show I have some doubt as to her quilt. I guess we need Goren and Eames to solve this one for us.

I remember that case.....I think she's still on Death Row in TX. There's also the Spokane Serial Murder case too (would make a good one for our 4 detectives to work on together).
I think that the epi "Silver Lining" was based on a case mentioned in Crime Scene, by Connie Fletcher (an amazing book)---there was talk of a man called "The Flatware Bandit" since he specialized in stealing silver. There's elements from that case that seemed to have shown up in "Silver Lining", and hundreds of burglary cases were cleared after this man was caught. Hmmmm..............

They may have been talking about the Scott Peterson case with his wife missing and later pointed out dead along with her child...I guess they twisted it and make it like two cheating spouses run away together and I believe Kathy is the CI's version of Scott Peterson, the innocent spouse turn out to be the killer. And then something else about Roy echoing someone else being abusive to women, I forgot who.

You mentioned the book Crime Scene on another thread. That's going to be my next read if this dinky library in this dinky town has it.

We have a little problem here in town with a window peeper. We're not sure if he is just peeping or casing people homes to rob. There was a man going back and forth in the ditch on the road in front of my house one day. My brother happened to be here and asked him what he was doing. He said he was hunting for arrow heads. Yeeeh right. For a small town we have a lot of crime. We need Goren and Eames to come and clean the town up. My father left me a little deringer. I never thought I would feel the need to keep it handy and loaded, but I do.

Oh yeah, the Scott Peterson case would be good, even that other guy named Peterson who is a police officer, the one's wife is missing for about a year now, and his second wife was exhumed and was determined to be a homicide. What's his first name?

Ironically "Betrayal" was inspired by the Drew Peterson (the cop who may have killed two wives). Eric Roberts even does the obnoxious "I'm filming the television crews 'how do you like aholes!?!'" schtick

Really? Didn't know that! Thanks.

Ooh, here's another one. There was a case, thirty years ago of a newspaper boy, 13/14 years old who was kidnapped in Des Moines, Iowa. The only thing ever found was a photo of him and another boy naked, bound and gagged at a pedophile's home a few states away. Everyone thought he was dead. His mother, however, said that about fifteen years ago "Johnny" came to her and told her he was on the run, having escaped from the sex/drug ring that had held him captive and prostituted him out. She says there's a whole conspiracy with major business and political figures.

What would be interesting is to see Goren and Eames deal with a "returned" kidnap victim, thirty years later, and trying to determine if it's a hoax or if there is some conspiracy...

I would love to see Bobby in LV--wearing a BSOH!




This would be a great story for CI.

lenore, hope you can find Crime Scene....I found my copy at Wal-Mart. One of my best friends currently has my copy and she's enjoying it too.

You be careful out there! You're right, G/E would get things cleaned up out there.

Here's another case I thought of, was watching Crime Stories last night on Bio:
"The Backpacker Killer", I believe his name was Ivan Millat (not sure on spelling), one of the worst serial killers in Australian history. He murdered at least 7 people, maybe more, in a national forest outside of Sydney. These people were mostly foreigners, backpacking through Australia. Creepy story.

Not sure if anyone knows this....there's books out about the true crimes that have inspired epis of the L&O series.
The 1st one is "True Stories of Law and Order"--gives brief synopses of 25 cases that have inspired epis of the mothership. A 2nd one came out recently for SVU. So here's hoping one will be out soon for CI.

Here's another case--the Lisa Michelle Lambert case from Lancaster, PA. Bill Kurtis did a good review of the case on American Justice.
My only request (this is for any writers who may be reading the boards)--if and when this case is done, or any epi that may feature Lancaster, PA---please have the name said correctly. Everywhere else, it's pronounced Lan-caster (like it was in the epi "Pravda"), but in PA it sounds like Lank-esther. Kind of like how Appalachia is pronounced, depending on where you're at on the Eastern Seaboard.

Don't tell everybody!! That's how we know who the tourists are! LOL

oops, sorry---forgot! hee hee
so, you're a PA girl too?

Used to be. Lived in Harrisburg for several years. Now I'm a southern belle in Chah-let, NC

Okay... more like an undercover Yankee in Charlotte, NC.

I like "Undercover Yankee". Anyone ever say anything to you along the lines of "so that's how the PA Dutch sound"? Happened to me a few years ago, by a telemarketer from Georgia. Loved listening to her voice, even though she sometimes had a hard time understanding me--apparently the PA Dutch also speak fast along with having the accent.