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yvette88
If you don't want USA to smash a show's ending up against the far side of the TV screen and mute the sound, sign me!! Real names will make your signature so much more legitimate. You can use your username if you want but I'm not shy at all. I'll start....


Yvette Cathers, Pennsylvania
history08
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 1 2008, 09:04 AM) *
If you don't want USA to smash a show's ending up against the far side of the TV screen and mute the sound, sign me!! Real names will make your signature so much more legitimate. You can use your username if you want but I'm not shy at all. I'll start....


Yvette Cathers, Pennsylvania


Kelly Cline, Alabama
quinfran
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 1 2008, 10:04 AM) *
If you don't want USA to smash a show's ending up against the far side of the TV screen and mute the sound, sign me!! Real names will make your signature so much more legitimate. You can use your username if you want but I'm not shy at all. I'll start....


Yvette Cathers, Pennsylvania


Sing me up. I want to see the credits at the end of the show.

Anna Brown Orlando
designer
Karla Kraft

took me a second to realize what you meant.

HUGS

~Karla
yvette88
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 1 2008, 10:04 AM) *
If you don't want USA to smash a show's ending up against the far side of the TV screen and mute the sound, sign me!! Real names will make your signature so much more legitimate. You can use your username if you want but I'm not shy at all. I'll start....


Yvette Cathers, Pennsylvania


If we don't speak up, the powers that be do what they want and think we don't mind. That's why gas is $4 a gallon and rising--we keep pulling up to the pumps. No one hears when you just grouse to friends. At least 70% of us have options--car pooling, public trans, bikes, walking--we refuse to give up our amenities. Our generation just doesn't protest. We're the "lay down and take it" generation.

This petition isn't for ending a war or for world hunger, but you still have an opportunity to protest something. If stepping on the ends of shows doesn't bother you, don't sign. If you're annoyed, irked, enraged, or downright ticked, add your name and keep bumping it.
history08
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 1 2008, 10:37 AM) *
If we don't speak up, the powers that be do what they want and think we don't mind. That's why gas is $4 a gallon and rising--we keep pulling up to the pumps. No one hears when you just grouse to friends. At least 70% of us have options--car pooling, public trans, bikes, walking--we refuse to give up our amenities. Our generation just doesn't protest. We're the "lay down and take it" generation.

This petition isn't for ending a war or for world hunger, but you still have an opportunity to protest something. If stepping on the ends of shows doesn't bother you, don't sign. If you're annoyed, irked, enraged, or downright ticked, add your name and keep bumping it.



I completely agree with you!
strike14
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 1 2008, 11:37 AM) *
If we don't speak up, the powers that be do what they want and think we don't mind. That's why gas is $4 a gallon and rising--we keep pulling up to the pumps. No one hears when you just grouse to friends. At least 70% of us have options--car pooling, public trans, bikes, walking--we refuse to give up our amenities. Our generation just doesn't protest. We're the "lay down and take it" generation.

This petition isn't for ending a war or for world hunger, but you still have an opportunity to protest something. If stepping on the ends of shows doesn't bother you, don't sign. If you're annoyed, irked, enraged, or downright ticked, add your name and keep bumping it.


No it's

A. Supply and demand ala china and other countries are using oil now and that supply is being stretched.
B. The electric car never getting off the ground. That would have tapered demand and gas be lower right now.
c. Ethanol not being more produced in the states.

Also I hate to be he kill joy but, i doubt the powers to be will change. It's not like we aren[t going to watch season 7 when monk comes out.
designer
I disagree.

The powers that be, are us. The fans rule. If not for us, there'd be no Monk
to watch up to season 7.

As for reason number 2 we should sign this for the screen not be squished, is
that the writers, editors, everything that goes with the show besides just seeing
the producers names at the beginning of the show, deserve the credit.
I know what it's like trying to do your best in getting your creative work
recognized, and then "ignored".

Reason number 3: Every vote counts. That's the one thing my best friend
taught me over the years. He's the one that convinced me to vote in any
"petition" that I should feel right that needs to be addressed...This isn't
about gas. Let's keep this on the same subject without starting a political
debate here...

Yvette's heart is in the right place. (I keep misspelling your name, hon)

For the past two years, I've been trying to get my work published. I still get
rejected, but refuse to give up.

Keep this up everyone. Don't let doubt get in your way...

HUGS

~Karla


QUOTE (strike14 @ Jun 1 2008, 10:58 AM) *
No it's

A. Supply and demand ala china and other countries are using oil now and that supply is being stretched.
B. The electric car never getting off the ground. That would have tapered demand and gas be lower right now.
c. Ethanol not being more produced in the states.

Also I hate to be he kill joy but, i doubt the powers to be will change. It's not like we aren[t going to watch season 7 when monk comes out.
monkchik693
Jenny, Indiana

!chik!
spinner
Diana, Missouri


I watched Wings this morning and the credits were there and in big print. Nice
BfloGal
Barb, New York
lovethatmonk
Tricia, Illinois
designer
we'll need a bit more....smile.gif

HUGS
susan1017
susan1017, Annapolis, Maryland
Bubba_Bridges
Hi Bubba here, add me to the list ...

Bubba/Roy Tennessee
yvette88
QUOTE (strike14 @ Jun 1 2008, 11:58 AM) *
No it's

A. Supply and demand ala china and other countries are using oil now and that supply is being stretched.
B. The electric car never getting off the ground. That would have tapered demand and gas be lower right now.
c. Ethanol not being more produced in the states.

Also I hate to be he kill joy but, i doubt the powers to be will change. It's not like we aren[t going to watch season 7 when monk comes out.


I hate to disagree but if we pay what they charge, they have no reason to keep charging high rates and to even raise them. They know we need the gas and few are willing to do without their cars, even part time when they use other means. That's why the gas companies are being probed now for the rate hikes. I've seen the stories on CNN and MSN. They're making billions. It is up to the consumer to put their foot down when the price is too high. That's why more things changed in the '60s than at any other time in history--they protested.

Charging what the market will bear is a term used to mean nothing more than charging the highest price people are willing to pay.
kees_lady
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 1 2008, 11:48 PM) *
I hate to disagree but if we pay what they charge, they have no reason to keep charging high rates and to even raise them. They know we need the gas and few are willing to do without their cars, even part time when they use other means. That's why the gas companies are being probed now for the rate hikes. I've seen the stories on CNN and MSN. They're making billions. It is up to the consumer to put their foot down when the price is too high. That's why more things changed in the '60s than at any other time in history--they protested.

Charging what the market will bear is a term used to mean nothing more than charging the highest price people are willing to pay.


It isn't just the cost of gas were facing. Farmers are now raising crops for alternative fuel sources instead of food crops because they are making more money selling of what they don't need for ethanol and they are still being subsidized by the government. Some of the politicians have finally awoke to the situation and are trying to stop the farm subsidies.

I was raising a family in the 60's and I remember feeding a family of 5 on $15.00 a week. I don't remember any big protests except the Viet Nam war but I do remember the gas wars in the 70's and I remember the Alaskan pipeline being built.

There are a whole lot of things people could do to help bring the economy back - we live with so many technical "toys" that we don't really need but think we have to have. We "order out food" instead of cooking, we buy all our food instead of raising our own - we are an overindulgent nation and need to scale back our wants and minimize our lifestyles.
susan1017
QUOTE (kees_lady @ Jun 2 2008, 01:25 AM) *
It isn't just the cost of gas were facing. Farmers are now raising crops for alternative fuel sources instead of food crops because they are making more money selling of what they don't need for ethanol and they are still being subsidized by the government. Some of the politicians have finally awoke to the situation and are trying to stop the farm subsidies.

I was raising a family in the 60's and I remember feeding a family of 5 on $15.00 a week. I don't remember any big protests except the Viet Nam war but I do remember the gas wars in the 70's and I remember the Alaskan pipeline being built.

There are a whole lot of things people could do to help bring the economy back - we live with so many technical "toys" that we don't really need but think we have to have. We "order out food" instead of cooking, we buy all our food instead of raising our own - we are an overindulgent nation and need to scale back our wants and minimize our lifestyles.


These are some of the most thought provoking words I have read in a long time. I feel the same way. Although I don't have many memories from the 60's I can recall some of the late 70's
(thanks Carter blink.gif ) gas crunch.
yvette88
QUOTE (susan1017 @ Jun 2 2008, 01:44 AM) *
These are some of the most thought provoking words I have read in a long time. I feel the same way. Although I don't have many memories from the 60's I can recall some of the late 70's
(thanks Carter blink.gif ) gas crunch.



I remember the gas lines from the '70s too and paying $200 a month rent on a 3 bedroom house. It's just that the gas companies are raising the price of gas at a much faster rate and taking advantage of the war over there. That's why they're being looked into right now. If other items were growing in price at the same rate, we'd being paying $12 for a gallon of milk, it would cost $300 to mail a letter, and you couldn't buy a new car for less than $40,000. They're gouging us and we just don't withhold our dollars. I have my routine pared down to spending only $20 a month in gas. Everywhere else, I go by bus or I walk. If only half of the people in this country were doing this right now, we'd be making enough of a dent that they'd have to drag the cost back. Only a year ago, gas was $2.29 in my area. It's now $4. They can keep raising it as long as we keep paying it. If everyone pays it, they have no reason to lower it and they don't care how much we complain. The only way to protest a high price is to keep your money in your pocket. That's the only thing they respond to.
yvette88
QUOTE (susan1017 @ Jun 2 2008, 01:44 AM) *
These are some of the most thought provoking words I have read in a long time. I feel the same way. Although I don't have many memories from the 60's I can recall some of the late 70's
(thanks Carter blink.gif ) gas crunch.



I remember the gas lines from the '70s too and paying $200 a month rent on a 3 bedroom house. It's just that the gas companies are raising the price of gas at a much faster rate and taking advantage of the war over there. That's why they're being looked into right now. If other items were growing in price at the same rate, we'd being paying $12 for a gallon of milk, it would cost $300 to mail a letter, and you couldn't buy a new car for less than $40,000. They're gouging us and we just don't withhold our dollars. I have my routine pared down to spending only $20 a month in gas. Everywhere else, I go by bus or I walk. If only half of the people in this country were doing this right now, we'd be making enough of a dent that they'd have to drag the cost back. Only a year ago, gas was $2.29 in my area. It's now $4. They can keep raising it as long as we keep paying it. If everyone pays it, they have no reason to lower it and they don't care how much we complain. The only way to protest a high price is to keep your money in your pocket. That's the only thing they respond to. You have to take that one thing they need and withhold it. With gas, it's your money.


Sorry--my connection is really PMSing. I end up double posting and losing posts in the middle of typing. Driving me up a wall. rofl.
kees_lady
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 2 2008, 01:05 AM) *
I remember the gas lines from the '70s too and paying $200 a month rent on a 3 bedroom house. It's just that the gas companies are raising the price of gas at a much faster rate and taking advantage of the war over there. That's why they're being looked into right now. If other items were growing in price at the same rate, we'd being paying $12 for a gallon of milk, it would cost $300 to mail a letter, and you couldn't buy a new car for less than $40,000. They're gouging us and we just don't withhold our dollars. I have my routine pared down to spending only $20 a month in gas. Everywhere else, I go by bus or I walk. If only half of the people in this country were doing this right now, we'd be making enough of a dent that they'd have to drag the cost back. Only a year ago, gas was $2.29 in my area. It's now $4. They can keep raising it as long as we keep paying it. If everyone pays it, they have no reason to lower it and they don't care how much we complain. The only way to protest a high price is to keep your money in your pocket. That's the only thing they respond to. You have to


Do you realize every retail store is paying a fuel tax surcharge just to deliver supples to the stores? All the truckers that deliver our foods are going broke trying to buy diesel and they can't stop trucking because if they do we won't have food on our shelves, mail won't be delivered, trash won't get picked up - I could go on-and-on. Those truckers would be out of work and there are no jobs for them.

Wisconsin is not an industrial state, we're more into scientific research - we're a state based on developing technolical advances in the medical field. We have empty strip malls which no one can afford to rent. Those building should be torn down, the asphalt parking lots torn up and natural grasses and trees planted to combate greenhouse gasses.

If we tore down condemned houses, tore up concrete and established container planters in improverished neighborhoods more people would have fresh food, the government wouldn't have to pay so much for food stamps to poor families.

There are so many things we could be doing. We could stop buying DVD's, TiVo's, iPODS, etc. because when they wear out they wind up in the already overloaded landfills and they don't break down. Everyone has a cell phone these days; as if they really need to call people while they are at work, driving their cars, on the bus or wherever.

I'm a whole lot more concerned what kind of life my great grandkids are going to be living if we don't stop being a wasteful nation of greedy people. When I see people drinking soda and other junk foods then tossing out what they don't finish it makes my blood boil. When I hear kids whine for the latest gaming gadgets I want to shake them up - and when I see gangs taking over neighborhoods and killing off each other I see red.

These things are a whole lot more important to me than when the credits run on any TV series. I remember ration stamps for sugar, gas, tires and the likes. I still have mine from the 1940's and if we, as a nation, don't stop Jonesing for the newest, biggest and latest we're in for big problems. Our young kids are turning to violent crimes to earn buck; they're being sucked in by drugs to feel good - and where do those drugs come from? The very countries we are at war with.

Why do CEO's demand 7 digit salaries or receive 7+ digit retirement packages? We complain about a war that has gone on too long, we cry for the 4000+ men and women who have given their lives so we can continue to live with our toys, our fancy stainless steel kitchens, granite countertops and all the modern accoutrements we think we have to have and we forget those men and women are fighting to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terriorist countries before those countries blow us all to kingdom come.

I'n not very proud of the American people. We do a lot of complaining but we don't really want to change our life styles. We want big houses with master bedrooms and master baths, great rooms, media rooms - my gosh, how did our parents and grandparents ever manage to raise a family of 3 kids with 2-bedroom, 1-bath houses, a eat-in kitchen and just a common livingroom?...and they did it without both parents working!!
luvinmonk
Count me in !!!

I don't like it when they mute the ending and crunch the show to the side of the screen !!!

Elaine In New Jersey

Thanks for trying and starting this petition smile.gif




As for the gas issue... I think it is getting ridiculous. There truly is no good excuse for it to be going up in the extreme way that it is. The other day the price of oil by the barrel went down and yet gas at the pumps jumped up 10 cents overnight. Some one in power needs to do something. If we all would just not buy gas for a day then they would know we are serious about our complaints but it doesn't seem possible to get everyone to participate at the same time. I know there were emails going around here and I did it but every time I passed a gas station there were plenty of cars in it.


I edited my post to say that I hadn't read Kees Lady's post before I typed mine because I am off to work but it does make you think. She made a lot of great points.
strike14
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 2 2008, 12:48 AM) *
I hate to disagree but if we pay what they charge, they have no reason to keep charging high rates and to even raise them. They know we need the gas and few are willing to do without their cars, even part time when they use other means. That's why the gas companies are being probed now for the rate hikes. I've seen the stories on CNN and MSN. They're making billions. It is up to the consumer to put their foot down when the price is too high. That's why more things changed in the '60s than at any other time in history--they protested.

Charging what the market will bear is a term used to mean nothing more than charging the highest price people are willing to pay.



You are right they know we need key term need gas. Alot of places have horrible public trasnportation especially in mid-size towns..I live in savannah and it's pretty much the bus which isn't that great and it only goes up to like 9 p.m or a cab. Even some of the bigger cities like Atlanta public transportation is pretty bad and if you live there you prettty much have to have a car.

I think protest will do very little becuase not enough people will be apart of it and in the end after awhile you'll lose people becuase they will want to drive and will purchase the gas. I believe we need reform where people don't NEED gas but, it is just a want.

Make public transporation better IMO more subway projects need to be instutited. We need more fuel efficent cars instead of these huge gas guzzlers. Brining back the electric car as well would help cut down the demand. Make some of the newer cars run on ethanol and bring ethanol stations to more places.

QUOTE (kees_lady @ Jun 2 2008, 03:09 AM) *
Do you realize every retail store is paying a fuel tax surcharge just to deliver supples to the stores? All the truckers that deliver our foods are going broke trying to buy diesel and they can't stop trucking because if they do we won't have food on our shelves, mail won't be delivered, trash won't get picked up - I could go on-and-on. Those truckers would be out of work and there are no jobs for them.

Wisconsin is not an industrial state, we're more into scientific research - we're a state based on developing technolical advances in the medical field. We have empty strip malls which no one can afford to rent. Those building should be torn down, the asphalt parking lots torn up and natural grasses and trees planted to combate greenhouse gasses.

If we tore down condemned houses, tore up concrete and established container planters in improverished neighborhoods more people would have fresh food, the government wouldn't have to pay so much for food stamps to poor families.

There are so many things we could be doing. We could stop buying DVD's, TiVo's, iPODS, etc. because when they wear out they wind up in the already overloaded landfills and they don't break down. Everyone has a cell phone these days; as if they really need to call people while they are at work, driving their cars, on the bus or wherever.

I'm a whole lot more concerned what kind of life my great grandkids are going to be living if we don't stop being a wasteful nation of greedy people. When I see people drinking soda and other junk foods then tossing out what they don't finish it makes my blood boil. When I hear kids whine for the latest gaming gadgets I want to shake them up - and when I see gangs taking over neighborhoods and killing off each other I see red.

These things are a whole lot more important to me than when the credits run on any TV series. I remember ration stamps for sugar, gas, tires and the likes. I still have mine from the 1940's and if we, as a nation, don't stop Jonesing for the newest, biggest and latest we're in for big problems. Our young kids are turning to violent crimes to earn buck; they're being sucked in by drugs to feel good - and where do those drugs come from? The very countries we are at war with.

Why do CEO's demand 7 digit salaries or receive 7+ digit retirement packages? We complain about a war that has gone on too long, we cry for the 4000+ men and women who have given their lives so we can continue to live with our toys, our fancy stainless steel kitchens, granite countertops and all the modern accoutrements we think we have to have and we forget those men and women are fighting to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terriorist countries before those countries blow us all to kingdom come.

I'n not very proud of the American people. We do a lot of complaining but we don't really want to change our life styles. We want big houses with master bedrooms and master baths, great rooms, media rooms - my gosh, how did our parents and grandparents ever manage to raise a family of 3 kids with 2-bedroom, 1-bath houses, a eat-in kitchen and just a common livingroom?...and they did it without both parents working!!



Most of the stuff you said were dead on. Just wanted to comment on the CEO thing. Simply put supply and demand come into play. People qualified to be a CEO really do not grow on trees. Even if a CEO is fired they are recycled in 5-6 years. If the business is making billions then the head man is going to demand more money. Ideally yes if the CEO made less it should go to the workers but, we all know all what would happen is the corporation would pocket the difference instead of giving it to the person making 6.50 an hour.
Monk_O_Phile81
Tawny in beautiful Colorado!
designer
Hi, Tawny! Pretty name...

Oh. I take the bus. One dollar....wink.gif

HUGS
tamih
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 1 2008, 09:04 AM) *
If you don't want USA to smash a show's ending up against the far side of the TV screen and mute the sound, sign me!! Real names will make your signature so much more legitimate. You can use your username if you want but I'm not shy at all. I'll start....
Yvette Cathers, Pennsylvania


I disagree with this. The alternative to adding promos during the closing credits is reducing the show's actual running time. (I also support "commercials" at the movie theaters. I paid $2.00 more at a theater that doesn't have commercials than at the theaters that do have commercials).

Tami Hoshiyama, California
quinfran
QUOTE (TamiHoshiyama @ Jun 2 2008, 01:15 PM) *
I disagree with this. The alternative to adding promos during the closing credits is reducing the show's actual running time. (I also support "commercials" at the movie theaters. I paid $2.00 more at a theater that doesn't have commercials than at the theaters that do have commercials).

Tami Hoshiyama, California


Years ago, my son did the opening and closing music for a local TV show. His name was at the end, with the credits. I would have been very upset, if the credits were not shown. Each person who works on a series, is part of making the show a success. They deserve to have their names listed.

Also, someone noticed my son`s name, liked his work, and opened many more doors for him. He is now an Independent Filmaker, writer, producer etc.
tamih
QUOTE (quinfran @ Jun 2 2008, 01:06 PM) *
Years ago, my son did the opening and closing music for a local TV show. His name was at the end, with the credits. I would have been very upset, if the credits were not shown. Each person who works on a series, is part of making the show a success. They deserve to have their names listed.

Also, someone noticed my son`s name, liked his work, and opened many more doors for him. He is now an Independent Filmaker, writer, producer etc.


I did not advocate not showing the show's credits (which would be illegal, anyway). I was just saying that I disagree with changing the way that USA Network truncates and mutes the closing credits at the end of their shows to make room for promos and allow for the promos' sound. The credits are still shown and USA uses the 60 seconds of closing credits to promote other shows, rather than cutting an additional minute from "Monk" to run a minute's worth of promos for, say, "In Plain Sight" and "Burn Notice."
ahssnarechick
Michelle, Michigan
memebeck49
Just wanted to say that I agree pretty much with everything kees said.
Also, while the idea of buying gas less often as a protest has it's merits, you have to consider a few other things. I'd love to be able to not have to buy gas twice a week, and pay those outrageous prices. $4.09 at the local gas station, which I used to work at, and know for a fact that the employees aren't getting much of a share of. But----
I live 2 miles from the nearest "town", population of around 1,000. I have rheumatoid arthritis, and I'll be darned if I'll walk that 2 miles to be able to shop at the few pitiful stores they have, and do my banking. I also live 22 miles from my doctor, whom I have to see once a month; 15 miles from the nearest grocery store; and 26.2 miles from the nearest pharmacy to get the meds I have to have daily. My daughter, and my friends, all work during the day when I have Dr appts. and I would have no way to get there if I didn't drive. Also, hubby works five days a week at a place 40 miles from us---the only job he could get when the factory where he worked for 29 years closed. The area where we live has one of the highest unemployment rates in the state, and there simply are no other jobs a 57-year-old man can get that would be closer to home. Public transportation?? In a town of 1,000? NOT. There's also no one within 20 miles who works anywhere near where my hubby does, or the hours he works, for him to be able to carpool with.
There are millions of other people in the same predicament, and the oil companies know that. They know that whether we like it or not, many of us are dependent on using our cars, and they'll charge whatever they feel like charging us. (I actually had the owner of the gas station/convenience store where I worked tell me that. But, as that station is three miles from my home, and the next closest is 15 miles away, at the price of gas, I'd be shooting myself in the foot to go somewhere else to buy gas from someone other than him.)
I'm not as hateful as this may sound. I'm just stating a few facts as they are around here. And, not to be mean, but I really do have bigger problems to worry about than whether or not I can read the credits at the end of a show.


Meme
yvette88
QUOTE (kees_lady @ Jun 2 2008, 03:09 AM) *
Do you realize every retail store is paying a fuel tax surcharge just to deliver supples to the stores? All the truckers that deliver our foods are going broke trying to buy diesel and they can't stop trucking because if they do we won't have food on our shelves, mail won't be delivered, trash won't get picked up - I could go on-and-on. Those truckers would be out of work and there are no jobs for them.

Wisconsin is not an industrial state, we're more into scientific research - we're a state based on developing technolical advances in the medical field. We have empty strip malls which no one can afford to rent. Those building should be torn down, the asphalt parking lots torn up and natural grasses and trees planted to combate greenhouse gasses.

If we tore down condemned houses, tore up concrete and established container planters in improverished neighborhoods more people would have fresh food, the government wouldn't have to pay so much for food stamps to poor families.

There are so many things we could be doing. We could stop buying DVD's, TiVo's, iPODS, etc. because when they wear out they wind up in the already overloaded landfills and they don't break down. Everyone has a cell phone these days; as if they really need to call people while they are at work, driving their cars, on the bus or wherever.

I'm a whole lot more concerned what kind of life my great grandkids are going to be living if we don't stop being a wasteful nation of greedy people. When I see people drinking soda and other junk foods then tossing out what they don't finish it makes my blood boil. When I hear kids whine for the latest gaming gadgets I want to shake them up - and when I see gangs taking over neighborhoods and killing off each other I see red.

These things are a whole lot more important to me than when the credits run on any TV series. I remember ration stamps for sugar, gas, tires and the likes. I still have mine from the 1940's and if we, as a nation, don't stop Jonesing for the newest, biggest and latest we're in for big problems. Our young kids are turning to violent crimes to earn buck; they're being sucked in by drugs to feel good - and where do those drugs come from? The very countries we are at war with.

Why do CEO's demand 7 digit salaries or receive 7+ digit retirement packages? We complain about a war that has gone on too long, we cry for the 4000+ men and women who have given their lives so we can continue to live with our toys, our fancy stainless steel kitchens, granite countertops and all the modern accoutrements we think we have to have and we forget those men and women are fighting to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terriorist countries before those countries blow us all to kingdom come.

I'n not very proud of the American people. We do a lot of complaining but we don't really want to change our life styles. We want big houses with master bedrooms and master baths, great rooms, media rooms - my gosh, how did our parents and grandparents ever manage to raise a family of 3 kids with 2-bedroom, 1-bath houses, a eat-in kitchen and just a common livingroom?...and they did it without both parents working!!



Um, my bad. I didn't mean to set you off. There a lot more dire issues, like I said before. This is something that I think just ticks people off and it chews up parts of the show, and it's something they do in order to cram yet another commercial in somewhere.

I wouldn't say I'm pampered. As I child, my family was classified as destitute by the Ohio welfare dept. We moved 20 times in 18 years--one of those times, we lived in a house in Niles Ohio with no address. We wondered why we weren't getting mail. The post office said the house wasn't on any of their maps and that we should check the house on the right, on the left, and across the street, and pick an unused number. We painted it on the mail box. When the water ran out in the well, we melted snow for cooking and baths--in the summer, we were screwed.

Another house in Warren Ohio, we had to hide from the city knocking on the door because they were trying to condemn the place. As it turns out, you only put the city off for so long.

We routinely went without food--many times for three-day stretches. I've gone hiking in the woods for blackberries and I've eaten honeysuckle, dandelions, and grass. I love to hear people scream there's no food in the house. Then you look and find that their idea of no food means there's no milk for their cereal, no jelly for their peanut butter, no crackers for their soup. No food means no food. There is not one single can of beans on the shelf and not one single stick of margarine in the refrigerator. You open the refrigerator and the cupboards and it looks like you just moved in or you're cleaning the place. No food means there is absolutely nothing edible in the house.

When we moved to Howland Ohio, my mother walked up the street at 4:00 am to grab a bag of rolls from behind the Ponderosa--right after they were delivered but before the first employee showed up to pull them into the restaurant. That's what we would eat that day--stolen rolls. Nothing else--because the only time she swiped rolls was when there was absolutely no other food in the house.

We hit food bank after food bank after food bank. We went without food more times than anyone should ever have to, no matter what country they live in. Picture that--you have a child. You feed that child on Monday. Now, DON'T feed that child again until Thursday. That's what I'm talking about. At 16, my brother began throwing up blood all over the house. We drove him to the hospital while he hung his head out the window throwing up blood on the street and down the side of the car. There's a specific tree that I remember smelling that was so foul and so strong, that to this day, 30 years later, when I smell that tree, I have a flashback to this car ride. He spent two weeks in the hospital--starvation. Yeah. In america. Starvation.

We were sitting in the Red Cross office. Be careful who you donate money to. All I'm saying is that no matter how well known a charity is, they all count on one thing--that the people who have to use their services will never ever be a person on the other side of the fence--not well off and not a donator. They figure those two hands are never going to shake. Those two people are never going to meet. And neither of them will ever jump the fence to the other side. We were turned down repeatedly. We were in their office one day when an old man, also homeless, also a war veteran, was standing in their office and was about to get another "no." I was about 12 years old at the time. This old man is standing in front of a woman's desk. He said "You're not going to help me, are you?" His exact words. The same woman who turned us down over and over also turned him down. "No." Before she could add her standard "I'm so sorry," he pulled out an exacto knife, slit both wrists, and bled out in her office. I sat there watching in terror.

I brought this up a while ago. If there's anyone in here that could have survived even 15 minutes of my very hard childhood, there's a great big cookie in it for you. I also withheld the more ghoulish events of my youth. I'm sure there's no one in here who, at 11, had to clean up after an uncle's suicide. My sister sat staring in the opposite direction, catatonic. My brother threw up everywhere. Whatever you got going on--depression era baby, abusive parents, poverty--I'll bet I got ya beat. Unfortunately, none of this is made up, and I withheld quite a bit.

I'm far from pampered. I have a laptop that was a gift, and a $20 Walmart cellphone--everything else in my life is sharp rocks and pointy sticks. Yeah, I'd like for USA to leave the ends of Wings alone. It's one of the few things I have that brings me amusement. And now, back to your previously scheduled programming......
quinfran
QUOTE (memebeck49 @ Jun 2 2008, 07:14 PM) *
Just wanted to say that I agree pretty much with everything kees said.
Also, while the idea of buying gas less often as a protest has it's merits, you have to consider a few other things. I'd love to be able to not have to buy gas twice a week, and pay those outrageous prices. $4.09 at the local gas station, which I used to work at, and know for a fact that the employees aren't getting much of a share of. But----
I live 2 miles from the nearest "town", population of around 1,000. I have rheumatoid arthritis, and I'll be darned if I'll walk that 2 miles to be able to shop at the few pitiful stores they have, and do my banking. I also live 22 miles from my doctor, whom I have to see once a month; 15 miles from the nearest grocery store; and 26.2 miles from the nearest pharmacy to get the meds I have to have daily. My daughter, and my friends, all work during the day when I have Dr appts. and I would have no way to get there if I didn't drive. Also, hubby works five days a week at a place 40 miles from us---the only job he could get when the factory where he worked for 29 years closed. The area where we live has one of the highest unemployment rates in the state, and there simply are no other jobs a 57-year-old man can get that would be closer to home. Public transportation?? In a town of 1,000? NOT. There's also no one within 20 miles who works anywhere near where my hubby does, or the hours he works, for him to be able to carpool with.
There are millions of other people in the same predicament, and the oil companies know that. They know that whether we like it or not, many of us are dependent on using our cars, and they'll charge whatever they feel like charging us. (I actually had the owner of the gas station/convenience store where I worked tell me that. But, as that station is three miles from my home, and the next closest is 15 miles away, at the price of gas, I'd be shooting myself in the foot to go somewhere else to buy gas from someone other than him.)
I'm not as hateful as this may sound. I'm just stating a few facts as they are around here. And, not to be mean, but I really do have bigger problems to worry about than whether or not I can read the credits at the end of a show.


Meme


We all have bigger problems, buy that does not mean we can`t work on some small ones. Some people would say that coming on this board is crazy, spending all that time talking about a TV show. Acting like we are talking about real people. The thing is, I enjoy this board, and talking about Monk, it relaxes me. We could all give up our hobbies, pets, computers, and a host of other things, because there are so many problems in this world. We could throw up our hands, and say I give up. You, and others, may not care about the credits, but for those of us who do, please humor us. This is very important, to the fine people that are making a living, working on shows, behind the scenes. They must feel awful ,when no one can even see their name. They have to buy food and gas too.
Kawasakifan
Kawasakifan, Japan
mjwannabe
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 1 2008, 10:04 AM) *
If you don't want USA to smash a show's ending up against the far side of the TV screen and mute the sound, sign me!! Real names will make your signature so much more legitimate. You can use your username if you want but I'm not shy at all. I'll start....


Yvette Cathers, Pennsylvania



Yvette - who are you going to send this petition to? Do you plan on forwarding it to someone at USA or expecting USA admin to see this thread? I am just curious. I agree with you, I get so sick of seeing the ends of shows cut off. Even worse - I hate the stupid pop-ups that keep popping up throughout shows. That is so annoying!!
yvette88
QUOTE (quinfran @ Jun 3 2008, 12:21 AM) *
We all have bigger problems, buy that does not mean we can`t work on some small ones. Some people would say that coming on this board is crazy, spending all that time talking about a TV show. Acting like we are talking about real people. The thing is, I enjoy this board, and talking about Monk, it relaxes me. We could all give up our hobbies, pets, computers, and a host of other things, because there are so many problems in this world. We could throw up our hands, and say I give up. You, and others, may not care about the credits, but for those of us who do, please humor us. This is very important, to the fine people that are making a living, working on shows, behind the scenes. They must feel awful ,when no one can even see their name. They have to buy food and gas too.


I couldn't have said it better myself. This board is full of threads addressing nothing of consequence and this thread in particular isn't addressing gas prices--I was citing an example of how we don't protest things. We're all just playing in here and I get tired of always having to figure out some critical thing. The bulk of threads in here are games, rah rah posts, what do you think of Tony's smile or Ted's butt or Randy's singing. I don't see any reason why we can't talk about the studios branding and commercialling everything that comes over the tube--networks didn't do that stuff back in the day when TV was free. I'm not even talking about credits--I'm talking about shows that put additional show content at the end of shows. It's never been easy to read credits--you'll detach a retina trying to read them fly up the screen.

And never in a million years would I suggest that a person living far from town with little or no public trans or someone with health problems or physical disabilities attempt to do without their car. I was talking about and to people who have busses and bikes and can walk to some of the places they need to go. I thought that was apparent, but apparently it wasn't apparent. lol. I can walk 100 feet in any direction and find a bus stop. If the people who DO HAVE reasonable options didn't drive their car everywhere and used less gas, it would make an impact. It seems I set a lot of people off. If you pay $4, you will end up paying $5. If you pay $5, you will end up paying $6. If you pay $6---that's how it works people.
strike14
whoa mellow.gif I never thought this thread would become such a huge debate. I kind of feel bad about commenting on the gas thing now lol.
yvette88
QUOTE (strike14 @ Jun 3 2008, 11:34 AM) *
whoa mellow.gif I never thought this thread would become such a huge debate. I kind of feel bad about commenting on the gas thing now lol.



No one should ever feel bad about commenting and I would have hoped that a subject like show credits and gas prices could be started that wouldn't get everyone upset. I get frustrated from time to time when it seems that the only safe topics in here are "Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot." Subjects seem to run in extremes and those topics that would run middle of the road--they become the danger zone in here.

Playing it safe: Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot. Anyone else think that Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot? Come on people--I don't want to be the only one. Actually, there's a room full of us out here in PA that think that Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot. So out of control are we, that we've started a new sport. It's called "banister surfing." We had our first sponsor too--Lemon Pledge. We had to dump them though, after losing my neighbor on her last run. She got nice hang time over the pink flamingos but then she went off the radar somewhere over the north fence. She's doing nicely, leg in a cast, and we've gone with another sponsor: Turtle Wax. We're trying to get up enough teams for a tournament. Men can enter too, but we've found they tip over unless they take the ramp backwards. They lose the instrument and navigation panels but they're better at controlling their descent.
susan1017
So not to stray too far from the original post:

Does USA squish the closing credits? I have only watched the first epi, aired on Sunday morning, and cannot remember where the credits where placed on my screen.

Thanks,

Sue~
yvette88
QUOTE (susan1017 @ Jun 3 2008, 03:15 PM) *
So not to stray too far from the original post:

Does USA squish the closing credits? I have only watched the first epi, aired on Sunday morning, and cannot remember where the credits where placed on my screen.

Thanks,

Sue~



I missed it so I don't know. TVLand does it and I am hoping USA doesn't do the same thing. Anybody else see it? Did they let the end of the show play out or did they squish/mute it?
memebeck49
[quote name='yvette88' date='Jun 3 2008, 12:30 PM' post='864360']
No one should ever feel bad about commenting and I would have hoped that a subject like show credits and gas prices could be started that wouldn't get everyone upset. I get frustrated from time to time when it seems that the only safe topics in here are "Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot." Subjects seem to run in extremes and those topics that would run middle of the road--they become the danger zone in here.

As I don't know how to quote multiple posts in one reply, I want to comment on several posts.
First off, I know that you were citing gas pricing as an example of how protesting can work. I was adding my opinion as to why it sometimes isn't feasible for that to happen.
I didn't say that it isn't important to the people working on a show to be acknowledged for their work. I would want to be recognized for a job well done. Nor was I saying that it wouldn't be frustrating to viewers to have parts of a show's content squashed to the side while the commercial for another program is played. I, too, would want to see the ending of a program, not a blurb for the next show. I don't watch TVLand channel, so I wasn't aware that they do this.
I also understand your frustration that it seems the only safe topics are the "Ted's hot", etc subjects. I, personally, have never felt that any other subject is a danger zone. Over the years that I've come to this board, we've discussed many topics unrelated to the "Randy's nice butt" theme when we weren't discussing the actual show itself. It just seems that right now, these are some of the topics of choice for some posters.


Playing it safe: Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot. Anyone else think that Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot? Come on people--I don't want to be the only one. Actually, there's a room full of us out here in PA that think that Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot. So out of control are we, that we've started a new sport. It's called "banister surfing." We had our first sponsor too--Lemon Pledge. We had to dump them though, after losing my neighbor on her last run. She got nice hang time over the pink flamingos but then she went off the radar somewhere over the north fence. She's doing nicely, leg in a cast, and we've gone with another sponsor: Turtle Wax. We're trying to get up enough teams for a tournament. Men can enter too, but we've found they tip over unless they take the ramp backwards. They lose the instrument and navigation panels but they're better at controlling their descent.

This type of reply is what frustrates me. One of the reasons I come here is because we've been able to state our opinions on any subject---be it the show, the show's actors and certain of their attributes, the unfairness of not being able to view a program's ending, or the weather in Cleveland yesterday. It has pretty much been agreed upon that everyone on this board is entitled to state their own opinions, whether someone else agrees with it or not. Why is it that I now feel that if I indulge in a bit of fun by mentioning my personal feelings about an actor I will be made fun of? It's possible that this wasn't your intention, but that's the way I read it. By all means, if you don't like reading these kinds of comments, then you're not obligated to do so. But, I just don't think you need to make those of us who like to do so feel uncomfortable when we do.
tamih
QUOTE (memebeck49 @ Jun 4 2008, 09:35 AM) *
This type of reply is what frustrates me. One of the reasons I come here is because we've been able to state our opinions on any subject---be it the show, the show's actors and certain of their attributes, the unfairness of not being able to view a program's ending, or the weather in Cleveland yesterday. It has pretty much been agreed upon that everyone on this board is entitled to state their own opinions, whether someone else agrees with it or not. Why is it that I now feel that if I indulge in a bit of fun by mentioning my personal feelings about an actor I will be made fun of? It's possible that this wasn't your intention, but that's the way I read it. By all means, if you don't like reading these kinds of comments, then you're not obligated to do so. But, I just don't think you need to make those of us who like to do so feel uncomfortable when we do.


Eeek! If anyone makes fun of Meme or makes Meme feel uncomfortable in any way, I'll have to get my M-16 Mudball Rifle and divert my attention from Foxtrot (the Poster Formerly Known as NeatFreak) and go a-hunting!

Now, everyone: Back on the Bus! We gotta get out to Universal Studios and survey the damage!


We now return control of this topic to those who want to sign the petition against USA Network's method of showing closing credits at the end of its shows. I am sorry for stating that I disagree with the petition...
yvette88
QUOTE (memebeck49 @ Jun 4 2008, 10:35 AM) *
No one should ever feel bad about commenting and I would have hoped that a subject like show credits and gas prices could be started that wouldn't get everyone upset. I get frustrated from time to time when it seems that the only safe topics in here are "Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot." Subjects seem to run in extremes and those topics that would run middle of the road--they become the danger zone in here.

As I don't know how to quote multiple posts in one reply, I want to comment on several posts.
First off, I know that you were citing gas pricing as an example of how protesting can work. I was adding my opinion as to why it sometimes isn't feasible for that to happen.
I didn't say that it isn't important to the people working on a show to be acknowledged for their work. I would want to be recognized for a job well done. Nor was I saying that it wouldn't be frustrating to viewers to have parts of a show's content squashed to the side while the commercial for another program is played. I, too, would want to see the ending of a program, not a blurb for the next show. I don't watch TVLand channel, so I wasn't aware that they do this.
I also understand your frustration that it seems the only safe topics are the "Ted's hot", etc subjects. I, personally, have never felt that any other subject is a danger zone. Over the years that I've come to this board, we've discussed many topics unrelated to the "Randy's nice butt" theme when we weren't discussing the actual show itself. It just seems that right now, these are some of the topics of choice for some posters.


Playing it safe: Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot. Anyone else think that Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot? Come on people--I don't want to be the only one. Actually, there's a room full of us out here in PA that think that Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot. So out of control are we, that we've started a new sport. It's called "banister surfing." We had our first sponsor too--Lemon Pledge. We had to dump them though, after losing my neighbor on her last run. She got nice hang time over the pink flamingos but then she went off the radar somewhere over the north fence. She's doing nicely, leg in a cast, and we've gone with another sponsor: Turtle Wax. We're trying to get up enough teams for a tournament. Men can enter too, but we've found they tip over unless they take the ramp backwards. They lose the instrument and navigation panels but they're better at controlling their descent.

This type of reply is what frustrates me. One of the reasons I come here is because we've been able to state our opinions on any subject---be it the show, the show's actors and certain of their attributes, the unfairness of not being able to view a program's ending, or the weather in Cleveland yesterday. It has pretty much been agreed upon that everyone on this board is entitled to state their own opinions, whether someone else agrees with it or not. Why is it that I now feel that if I indulge in a bit of fun by mentioning my personal feelings about an actor I will be made fun of? It's possible that this wasn't your intention, but that's the way I read it. By all means, if you don't like reading these kinds of comments, then you're not obligated to do so. But, I just don't think you need to make those of us who like to do so feel uncomfortable when we do.



I wasn't trying to make you feel uncomfortable about stating your opinion, however I read a post saying we're all spoiled and the issue wasn't critical and it's not solving world hunger, etc. I also read a post that I took to mean the person was offended for suggesting car pooling or walking, etc, when in actuality, I never suggested that to any person with a disability or no adequate public transportation. If I was living in a remote area or had health or mobility issues, I would have immediately assumed that person wasn't suggesting those alternatives to me, but it seemed they took my suggestions very personally.

When I posted about what TVLand was doing to Wings, I was saying I hope USA doesn't do the same thing. That seemed to be a popular sentiment and one or two people said something about a petition....so I started a thread. NEVER should have done that. Then I used gas prices as an example of how things go along unabated when we don't protest. The thread hasn't been on track ever since.

You just can't thump someone because you don't like their comments or their opinion. Then I defend myself and get accused of doing exactly what someone did to me. Well, no, if I'm defending myself or have to explain something I said that was misunderstood or taken well out of context, then I am not making fun of someone for their opinion. This doesn't have to address world issues. Some of us don't like have the ends of our favorite shows mangled and if you live in the country or need your car, then I am not and never have suggested that you walk.

If I get jumped on for stuff like this, then it does indeed become a case of only being able to post Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot--if that's the only thing safe to post, then I am very much correct.

If you can disagree with me without being condescending or insulting or bashing me for a comment you take out of context, then I do not--and never have--gotten all bent out of shape. I got one long post saying we're all spoiled--I have had one of the most cruelly unspoiled lives you can possibly have in this country. If you DO live an area with a lot of public trans or car pooling options or places within walking distance and you still use your car, then I would say that person is very much spoiled.

Then I got told there are bigger issues and whole long post about why public trans and walking and car pooling don't work for you--why would you tell me all that? Was it not apparent I was suggesting that to people for whom those are viable options? Why in God's name would you take any of that personal?

Tony's hot, Ted's hot, Jason's hot. Make it safe for people to say more than that.

I like your posts, but please don't start fights where fights aren't being started.
yvette88
Has anyone even seen Wings on USA yet that can say whether they let the end play out or if they muted and smashed it? I heard they aired it last Sunday. Anyone?
susan1017
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 4 2008, 06:07 PM) *
Has anyone even seen Wings on USA yet that can say whether they let the end play out or if they muted and smashed it? I heard they aired it last Sunday. Anyone?


Yvette,

I just watched another Wings epi (or more of the tail end of the show) just to find out if they did this, and lo and behold they are squished to the right edge of the screen to show the promos of something I never tune into.

So much for a petition eh?

Sue~
TM34567
I will sign the petition:

Anna Marie in Connecticut

thank you, yvette, and hugs to you.
yvette88
QUOTE (susan1017 @ Jun 4 2008, 07:05 PM) *
Yvette,

I just watched another Wings epi (or more of the tail end of the show) just to find out if they did this, and lo and behold they are squished to the right edge of the screen to show the promos of something I never tune into.

So much for a petition eh?

Sue~


Damn. lol. For any petition to be taken seriously, there'd have to be a lot of names on it, and not within an internet message board thread that's gone horribly off-topic. rofl. I'm sure usernames carry no weight with them either so to sign a petition on a message board, people would have to give up their anonymity. I haven't been able to find the DVDs and I don't ebay so I'm going to have to try to order it somewhere. No one complains to the network so they figure no one minds. If no one minds, they do it. They're all doing it now. It's a vulgar, commercial practice that disrespects the cast and crew of these shows as well as the viewers.

I'm not going to bother watching Wings on USA if they're deleting the endings just as TVLand did. It's pointless. It's like buying a mystery/detective novel and finding that the publisher (of all people) has ripped out the last page. Sad.
yvette88
QUOTE (newcountry @ Jun 4 2008, 07:51 PM) *
I will sign the petition:

Anna Marie in Connecticut

thank you, yvette, and hugs to you.



Thanks! smile.gif
Raven
yvette, why can't you find Wings dvd's? Do you have a Best Buy by you?
yvette88
QUOTE (Raven @ Jun 4 2008, 08:59 PM) *
yvette, why can't you find Wings dvd's? Do you have a Best Buy by you?



Actually I do, but I never think of them when I think of DVDs--usually electronic appliances, computers, and peripherals....some office supplies. I'm a dingbat. lol. I always shoot over to Walmart first. rofl. There's a Best Buy less than a mile from me that I've only been in once. I'll check it out. Thanks. Fingers crossed!!
strike14
QUOTE (yvette88 @ Jun 4 2008, 08:33 PM) *
Damn. lol. For any petition to be taken seriously, there'd have to be a lot of names on it, and not within an internet message board thread that's gone horribly off-topic. rofl. I'm sure usernames carry no weight with them either so to sign a petition on a message board, people would have to give up their anonymity. I haven't been able to find the DVDs and I don't ebay so I'm going to have to try to order it somewhere. No one complains to the network so they figure no one minds. If no one minds, they do it. They're all doing it now. It's a vulgar, commercial practice that disrespects the cast and crew of these shows as well as the viewers.

I'm not going to bother watching Wings on USA if they're deleting the endings just as TVLand did. It's pointless. It's like buying a mystery/detective novel and finding that the publisher (of all people) has ripped out the last page. Sad.



Well the probelm with protesting is simply put do the big guns at USA believe that we wll cut into their wings or monk ratings. If not at best you get a statement saying their sorry but, that is the decision they came up with and at worst no response at all.
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