The equal pay they receive is not enough? Sorry, but you are talking about 2 different calibers of acting here. It appears that Chris will get the material in S10, and he better use his talents wisely. Chris has got to step it up, so let's not continue to blame everyone else for Chris not getting an Emmy. Chris is partially responsible, and what he should have done is follow Katherine Heigl's lead and withdraw because he didn't get the material. And sadly, if he did, would he have delivered?

And before I forget, NO SCREAMING in S10. That's not acting. It's just screaming...


ANDREA

Although I think there have been episodes in the past where Chris should have gotten an Emmy nod, I haven't seen any these last 2 seasons. Lackluster writing is part of the problem but there was nothing he did that was above and beyond his regular talent. He is a very good actor but there are so many out there that are, so there has to be a something that takes him that extra step. Although Undervcover was well written, Mariska potrayal of a scared vuneralbe Olibia Benson (something she never played and we never seen) is what made the season, at least for me. Maybe we will see it in S10 a similar episode and performance from Chris.

IMO s9 there was a lack of emmy caliber material overall, for MH and Chris. I don't think if Mariska submitted anything else besides Undercover she would have been nominated. You mentioned Inconceivable and Signature but I don't think they were emmy worthy, she was good but there is too much competition. Let's see, Chris had Unothodox (stunk), Savant, Paternity (I wont even say Blinded). While I think he was good in Paternity all that I cared about in the episode was the crash, the Olivia/Kathy scenes overshadowed him. So looking at it that way I think they had equal time to shine without the other except that the writers decided to take it there in Undercover. I'm glad Chris didn't go the Katherine Heigl route, after almost 10 years on a hit show as the lead there has to be some respect for the show's team. Ultimately it is an acting award. Also it took 6 seasons for Mariska or Chris to get nominated. For whatever reason SVU has been overlooked and I think it is hard for CM/MH to be recognized for a show of this format where the drama has less to do with the characters than House, Dexter, the Closer, Saving Grace, In Treatment etc.

There's a really great article about the Emmy Awards in last months Entertainment Weekly. Basically, it states how ludicris these particular awards actually are and how most people in the Biz can barely respect it. Out of all of the awards these awards are based almost solely on popularity.

These nominations are being made from a ten minute cut of an episode. Not even a WHOLE episode, but a ten minute cut. That would be like someone getting an Oscar for ten minutes worth of the movie. That's ridiculous! Out of all of these award ceremonies, the Emmy's really needs to get a new system.


So for all we know- the real reason why Chris may not be getting nominated is due to his lack of popularity or contacts. Mariska is the daughter of Jane Mansfield and Mickey Hargitay. She's best friends with Hilary Swank.

Besides a few tv shows, what does Chris really have that helps him step it up in the popularity charts of the Biz? Nothing. He's a regular joe from a middle class family, who just happens to make a damn good cop on TV.

If there is a flaw amongst anything here it's that these nominations need to be based on the progression of the character from the first and last episode of the season. Not ten freak'n minutes. I'm sure we could say that Tom Hanks drones too much in Forest Gump if all we saw were ten minutes of the freak'n movie.

I think Chris has made huge changes and improvements in the last two years. He's definitely Emmy worthy. And sometimes a good actor is nothing more than a support system for the other actor or actress, in this case. He certainly does that for Mariska. She owes him her entire career.

Even Mariska has said that she would not be able to do what she does with her role without Chris. When SVU first started, Chris was the only actor on that show who received consistently good reviews for his acting. Critics bashed Mariska's acting from the very first episode. She was put through the ringer. She's grown into a great actress but I don't think the show would have become this popular if she had been the main focus. It would probably have been cancelled in the second season because the critics did not like her at all. I think it's survived this long based on the chemistry of both actors. Chris does not need an award to justify that he's a good actor. And he does not involve himself within the cliques of Hollywood, so that might play a big role in his snubs.

Most award shows are based on how popular a person is within certain circles. Chris will be the one to take off with a successful movie career after SVU. Mariska has found her niche in television, and she's good at it, but I have yet to see the acting range in her that Chris has shown. Not on SVU because he's limited, but he's shown great character range and diversity with other projects he's done.

I just can't see Mariska doing anything other than Benson type roles. Hopefully she'll prove me wrong in the future by taking on more diverse projects outside of Lifetime movie roles.

Fast forward 8 years later. I thought she did a really good job in the beginning, but since, Mariska has truly grown as an actress. We certainly agree on that! As for Chris, why do we need to continuously compare the two? Because Mariska gets something, Chris has to have it too? The 6.5mil a year he's getting isn't enough. I will say it again, Chris needs to bring it. Plain and simple! And if his new Disney movie is any indication of where Chris' career is headed, I would not hold my breath for this huge movie career. He's approaching 50, so exactly how much work do you think he is really going to get? Again, Chris is just going to have to bring it. It's been 9 years, and his chops have decreased? Is that what we are saying? Has he gotten lazy because Chris is not the only person on that show who gets bad material. Dan Florek is one of the best in the business IMHO, and he is constantly overlooked, but no one has a problem with that? No matter what Dan is given, he brings it as Cragen. I wish Chris would do the same.

As for Mariska and what she does beyond OB, she does not appear to be worried at all, so I don't think we need to be. MH has proven that she is a strong versatile actress, so if she likes the script, I think she will blow whatever out of the water because she puts her heart and soul into her work. 2008 was a good year for her, and when MH is done, it will be on her terms. She is very popular right now, so things are looking pretty good for her. I hope she gets the comedy role she wants. Not sure I would watch for long, but I would like to see her do something else.


ANDREA

Dude the episode they chose for him was 'Paternity.' I said from the start that he didn't have a chance with that selection and it turns out I was right. That performance was close to 'okay' instead of 'wow' like Mariska's performance in 'Undercover.' If anything, whoever picks the episodes for the nominations is screwing Chris not the industry. There weren't that many great episodes for Chris in season 9 but 'Blind' would have been a better selection.

I do not agree even a little. Mariska has shown, time and time again, how great of an actress she has turned out to be. She chooses to stick to TV right now because of how time consuming it is. Perhaps she has other reasons. I don't know but just because Chris is in movies doesn't mean crap. He is in kiddy movies and movies that are for laughs. The reason he isn't taken seriously by the industry is because of the movies he makes. I think Adam Sandler is hillarious but where are his Emmy's? Oh wait...he doesn't have any. Chris makes movies like 'White Castle' and the industry is expected to give him a medal???? In the words of my favorite teen on screen, 'I don't think so....' Let's face it. Chris is no Johnny Depp. Now he has acting range. Chris is not even close. To say that an actor is only good if they can be different in every movie he/she makes is like saying Sean Connery sucks or Al Pacino reeks. Range doesn't make an actor good. A great performance makes an actor good. To say that Mariska is only limited to TV is not even close to recognizing her level of acting ability. She is recognized by the industry because she's good. Not because her mother and father were famous. If that were true Lisa Marie Presley would have been winning awards left and right.

I've never heard Mariska give an exact reason as to why she's not done anything outside of television, so I can't agree with this statement. In my opinion, I doubt if she is being offered any movie roles that she likes. There are plenty of actors who work in television and film who have the same busy schedule. So I wouldn't be so quick to speak for Mariska if I were you.

And I'm not speaking about the quality of the movies that Chris plays in, I'm talking about the diversity of the characters he plays in those movies. There's a huge difference. And the executives who pick the actors to play in their movies/theater look for that kind of diversity. Most exectuves are looking for the true talent of the actor. Not all, but most.

And who in the ham sandwich cares that Chris "is no Johnny Depp?" He's not supposed to be. There is only one JD and there is only one Chris Meloni. Their acting styles are totally different. Comparing the two makes no sense. And you have said before that Chris is not respected in the industry. I guess you can speak for the producers and directors who have hired him and worked with him, because of course you know what they really think of Chris right? He might not be respected by you, but you cant speak for a whole industry. That's your opinion, it's not a factual statement.

And it's silly and a bit naive to say that he's not respected by his peers in the industry just because of the movies he's chosen or because you don't like them. In fact DW, NB, Mariska and other folks who have worked with him always say how good of an actor he is. So who are these people that you say don't respect him? Where did you read that? I'm curious.

Right now he's producing and acting, and the movie he's produced and is starring in is already getting good reviews. And if you take SVU out of the picture completely, Meloni would still be able to get a decent job with his resume because of OZ and his award winning theater work alone.

I thought Savant was an essemble episode, I haven't really seen it in a while but the only few solo scenes I remember that Elliot was with Dean at a restaurant and at the end where Aidan Quinn's character was taking Katie away. Those scenes are like, what 2 minutes? With Mariska's scenes in Inconceivable and Signature is a heck a lot more that could've been submitted- but I agree, they weren't Emmy worthy but they were centered around Olivia as Undercover.

Can't say for Blinded but Paternity, that could've been an Elliot episode- his son was being born then and he could've displayed a great performance in the crash but instead the show placed him two hours away and had Olivia placed in with Kathy.



I agree with you- Christopher is NOT Johnny Depp; they may have once worked together and admire each other's technique but they are not one another.
I think Christopher is very much respected in the industry but as an underrated actor. He can appear in a bunch of things that he had already have done in the past- bit movie roles, many guest appearances on tv, and being a regular on TV shows. I've heard some commentaries in some movies that he had appeared in and whoever spoke have all said the same thing about Chris- a great actor, enjoyable to work with, and from that, he has gotten respect.



Adam Sandler has gotten awards, I think on MTV Movie awards or something like that. As for the Emmys, he never really done anything for television other then Saturday Night Live.

mmm...I suspect that Chris and Mariska are both still doing tv because Svu is successful, popular, and they get paid the big bucks, it's an actors dream. Maybe Mariska doesn't want to do movies, maybe once svu is done she'll try for another tv show. There is nothing wrong with being a tv actor and if and actor decides not to do movies but to do tv it doesn't necessarily mean that they are not good enough. It could be for many reasons, one being that they like it. It's a pretty safe bet that one of the main reasons MH doesn't do movies in her spare time is because she has a family, a young son and would rather spend her off time hanging with them. I'm curious to see what both of them do once SVU is over, but I don't think MH's next project will be a cop show.

Why are people pitting these two against one another? They are friends, Chris has expressed that awards don't mean anything to him, and as long as they are doing a good job on the show I'm satisfied. Chris knows he's a good actor, Mariska has always said so, and he will continue to do good work. It's not a big deal that he doesn't have an Emmy, as a matter of fact it may actually mean more to his fans than it does to him. But who knows he may get one next year then we all can be happy. Can you imagine that, 10 seasons/years on a show with numerous emmy snubs only to win it on the last year of a decade long show? (i don't want it to end)

Just thought I share the rest of the emmy list.

http://buzzsugar.com/1792691

well said, i dont know why ppl are getting hyped up about this, we dont know what the actors think about getting an emmy, well maybe MH but it is clear that CM does whatever he wants, bisexual criminal, pediatrician, a low tempered cop and now a silly, low self-esteem gym teacher, he does alot of different roles that are complete opposites, so he obviously just does what he wants and could careless about getting award like itsmeagain said, but its really my place to say, its just my opinion

lets just be happy that MH got the chance to win an emmy and be happy for her, not to get all upset cuz CM didnt get one, but the fact that she got nominated, making SVU recognized

LOL! You didn't read a damn thing I wrote did you? It's like you read what you wanted to and put a spin on it to make it look like I had no idea what I was talking about. That's why I hate this board sometimes. No one seems to know how to read and interpret...It obviously didn't register so why not just let you think what you want right? Sorry but I'm too much of a bit*ch to let it go. I know the frakking difference between the 'diversity' in movies and the quality of movies thank you very much. I'm not a freakin idiot.

Before I begin my quest of wrongs that were so obviously used to try and make your point, don't you dare presume to tell me what I should think. If you would have read beyond my quote you chopped off, you would have seen I wrote "I don't know." Don't make comments on crap you haven't read, or better yet understood. If you are going to rip apart someone’s thought or ideas, at least have the common courtesy to actually comment on EVERYTHING they wrote. Don’t half a*s it and call it fact.

The first thing misread: I never said Chris and Johnny were alike. I said their acting STYLES were alike. If diversity is sought after then a LOT of actors out there would not have jobs. Not every actor can be diverse.

The second thing misread: I never said Chris was not respected by his peers. I said the industry most likely doesn't take him seriously, the industry meaning the men and women in charge of giving out the award winning roles. Not the actors, which would be considered his peers, but the people that hire for good paying and theater blowout roles. Haven't seen Chris is one yet so...yeah...There in lays the evidence, not to mention the crap nominated episodes that get selected for him. Even I thought it was a bad choice to pick ‘Paternity.’ Look where it got him. Another year of zero nominations, and probably the last opportunity he had. Yet again, Chris was screwed over.

To accuse me of only giving my opinion is calling your self a hypocrite my dear. Everything you spewed about Mariska was an opinion that you spun to sound like fact. How can you say that she is only good as far as TV can throw her and yet SHE is the one being recognized for her work on SVU? Chris hasn't won crap. If awards are not a good source for recognition by the industry or they do not show an actor’s talent then how can an actor be measured for their talent and recognized for it? I’m not saying Chris is a bad actor. In fact I think he is a rather good one. That’s why I hate seeing him in roles that don’t really show his range. Fifty years from now I want people to be able to know who he is. I want his films to matter to people and not just be shelved away after they have had a good laugh. Sure his movies are funny but I have seen most of them. They, IMO, are not great. Even the little film Mariska did for Lifetime was better then half of Chris’ movies and it wasn’t even on the big screen! None of us knows how Chris even feels about not being nominated. He might not even care! But if he does and he wonders why he is not winning or being nominated then he needs to re-think the roles he chooses.

I'm sorry if I seem upset but...I don't like it when someone rips apart what I wrote but has no idea what I said. It's like listening to someone but not really hearing them.

Exactly, I think Chris has said that he likes to let his hair down and do different stuff from Stabler when he has time off of SVU.

That's his prerogative. He is free to make whatever movies he wants. I think Chris is amazing on the show and sometimes the intensity can weigh a bit heavy on the brain, body and soul. Laughter is a good remedy. What I was commenting on earlier was the fact that people were surprised by his lack of recognition. He should definitely get it for what he does on SVU but outside of that, he shouldn't, IMO that is.

How do you know who takes him seriously. You are stating how you feel, not how the industry feels. It's a ludicrous assumption to say the industry probably does not take him serious. And I ask you again. Who in the industry has said they don't take Chris Meloni seriously. You are assuming based on your negative opinion of his movie choices. You can't speak for the industry.




Their acting styles are nothing alike. Chris has a totally different acting style than Johnny Depp. They might both choose quirky characters to play, but they don't have the same acting style. And if you have listened to them in interviews, which I have, then you will know that they both take a totally different approach to their characters. There's no comparing the two at all in my opinion.



You lost me with this one...my dear...aren't we all just giving our opinion? I'm confused, whose opinion are you giving if it's not your own? You can't speak for an industry, you can only speak for yourself.

I think Mariska is a wonderful television actress, and in my opinion, television is where she should stay. That's just me. I think Chris is an actor that can do both television, theater and film, and I feel pretty confident that he will be very successful in movies when he has a chance to dedicate full-time attention to it.



So what? He's gotten this far without awards. And I guess the big screen executives must be knocking down Mariska's door now that she has a couple of awards under her belt. She's just too busy to accept all the offers pouring in right? That must be why the Johnson Baby Lotion folks hunted her down to do a baby voice? I can just hear them now...
"Let's get Mariska! She won an Emmy, she deserves to do our baby voice!"

And then how can we forget her two minute cameo in what most critics hailed as one of the worst movies of the year. Now that's what an award will get you right? Yep, an award makes all the difference in the world when choosing projects.

An award does not determine the success of an actor. It gives them a bargaining tool to ask for more money. There is a long list of successful actors in television and film who have never received one award.

That does it! Katchphraze, I am taking this to PM. This is getting rediculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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now, how about those emmys?? when does it air??? the 17 of Sep.??

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Oh no... please don't tell on me. LOL (And you misspelled the word ridiculous.)

You are full of drama. You need to grow up and learn to articulate what you feel in a mature manner. Or stick to the "Mariska has a hickey thread" That might be in your comfort zone.

Peace

ok now, sorry to barge in, but that isnt necessary, i think mary82 isnt the one who needs to grow up, she even suggested to go to PM, so thats where you go, we dont need anyone insulting anyone on this board, this is suppose to be a place we can go to rant about our favorite show, knowing that everyone will respect our opinions, so lets just leave it at that, thanx

Thanks pinkydog123. I tried to put an end to this on the board and bring it to PM but…she had to keep it here. Now who likes drama? LOL!

Katchphraze, if you were mature, you would have answered my PM instead of continuing this on the board. Talk about the need to grow up...Go ahead and continue complaining. I'm done. It's not fair to the other board members to have to continue to read this. It's not on topic and it's not needed. You have said your peace and I have said mine. If you have anything more to say to me then do it on PM. If that's too hard for you to do that then drop it.

Oh and you forgot to put a period after the word 'thread.' If we are going to fix each other's posts then I can bring it as well

I am very happy for Mariska and her nomination but I am disappointed that Chris didn't get nominated. This was a rather hard season for viewers and the actors. The strike affected everyone and the quality of the episodes went from bad to worst, in my opinion that is. I'm just glad someone is being acknowledged. Hopefully Chris will get some better material to work with in season 10. I think that was the only factor that hurt him. The episodes he had to work with weren’t that great. Mariska received all of the best scenes in “Paternity.” How was Chris expected to win with that? But, he still has another chance at being recognized for all his hard work and great acting ability. Let’s hope that next year will be his year, so don’t loose faith Chris fans. He still has one more chance.

your welcome! just glad to help out any fellow EO shipper

I agree with what you just said. Hopefully the writing will get better, because in my opinion, it can't get much worse. I wish Katrose was coming on more often because she can better explain why some people get nominated and others don't.

Very good point! However, I'm not disappointed that Chris didn't get nominated, but I am hoping that with the material I believe he's going to get in S10, he slams it. That is what I want for him. These awards should be earned and not passed out like chicklets.


ANDREA

I have to agree with Andrea here. I don't think anything Chris did stood out enough for an emmy nomination, and as much as I'd love to see him win one, I would much rather see him win it because he truly deserves it, not because we all love him as an actor. However, it does sound like he has some good material to work with in season 10 so maybe that will be it for him.

I agree as well. I love Chris but I don't think his scenes were nomination worthy and that's not his fault. Maybe season 10 will be the year!

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