It was meant to draw a parallel or make us/him think about the incident he and his wife were discussing with his therapist, back when he was still teaching, they were still married and his son was a baby.

I do admit I haven't seen this movie but you have convinced me to rent it on netflix. I will give you my honest opinion on it after I have viewed it. I was making a joke about the sex in a restroom enthusiasts but I am very serious about the double standard that exists in society that what is a crime for George Michael or Senator Larry Craig is cute or daring for a married heterosexual couple. It's wrong for everyone and shouldn't be thought of as "sexy". And never ever when children are present. Not cool. Not sexy. Not ever.

Thank you!! I am happy to know I'm not the only one repulsed by this. I swear to God, I'm not repressed or frigid. I know the scene was required by the context of the script and the story--I just personally do not like seeing raw sex in movies. I feel like a peeper. If there's sex in a movie, I need it to be tastefully done (and my definition of "tastefully done" will likely differ from most others) and I need it to be necessary to propel the story forward, and I need them to not show more than they need to--when they show more than they need to, I know it's gratuitous. When they put more in than they have to, I know they have little faith in their own writing. At that point, I see no more reason for me to bother with it. You know Ted's sex scene in Harlan County War? I had NO problem with that. I could have done without it--still feeling like a peeper--but it was a miner and his wife within the context of normal family life and was one of the things in the movie used to establish that their relationship and marriage was a happy one. You know the boob shots of the daughter in Thir13en Ghosts? I did have a problem with that--three shots of the ghost tearing the daughter's shirt and it's so obvious it was the standard "horror flicks attract mostly 17 year boys" shot that says they know their story was weak and if they don't show boobs somewhere, they know they have nothing else going on that will be enough to hold the audience's attention.

Raw sex like the scene in that movie reduces it to a body function. It's depressing. To me, morbidly so. I think that's why we've become a largely voyeuristic society and why a lot of men are walking around just dead inside. You can't remove sex from love or love from sex. If you remove one, you lose the other. That's just the way it is. I don't think you have to be madly in love with a person you're sleeping with but there should be some kind of strong emotion there or it's just a bodily function.

I stopped dating for 13 years--disgusted with the whole process. Then I cracked and started dating someone I met at work. It took me a year to decide he was an a-hole, then I dumped him. That was three years ago and I haven't dated again since. I have no business dating. And to me, it's just not worth it. I'm not going through it again. And as long as Kenmore keeps making that top-loader with the extra spin cycle, I just don't have to dammit. rofl

Oh, no, I don't think in Real Life that anyone should be having sex in a bathroom stall, either, and personally, I have to be very desperate to go into one for the purposes for which they are built. No, people shouldn't engage in sexual acts in public places where they might expose someone else to it without their consent, whether they are married, heterosexual, homosexual or whatever. I don't see it as a double standard at all. I was just stating that the scene had a purpose within this work of fiction.

Yes!

All but 2 of the 16 or so reviews in netflix say Georgia is a profoundly bad movie but I'm going to give it a shot. It has Mare Winningham in it but for the sake of the cause, I'm going to try to not only watch it, but finish it. Has anyone else already seen it? It's supposed to be a disjoined, poorly structured train wreck, despite one of the actresses getting an oscar nom. Anyone?

GEORGIA stunk, but TL was still good.

As for the infamous bathroom sex scene--People, lighten up, it was just a MOVIE!!

Yes I heard Georgia was a bad movie but I'm going to try it. As for lightening up, I'd rather not. I already said it's part of the movie but I don't like seeing that kind of thing. That's why I'm not personally going to see it. People really do stuff like that and some things just aren't funny. Someone said there's kids in the bathroom at the same time in that scene--that's too disgusting and immoral to ever lighten up on stuff like that. I'd rather never become the kind of person who is no longer shocked by that. Thanks anyway, but.....pass.

On a lighter note, I watched Mr. Monk and the Panic Room again. I was thinking of that thread, about should the men of Monk go natural with their hair. The whole time Stot was in the room with the chimp, trying to prove that the monkey could shoot a gun, I was LOL. What if the monkey tore Stot`s rug off and did shoot him or go nuts. Remember, Darwin the Chimp hated bald guys. Sorry, but I did get a big kick out of it. This is one time Stot needed to keep the hair on.

Actually, it was shot at what seemed to be some kind of private academy adjacent to the hopsital where the father in the movie was being operated on. Ted and Mary McDonnell go at it while the kids (boys) rush in to run wild in the facility. I didn't see it as immoral or disgusting in any way, but that's just me. It's not like they put on a show for the kids!

Sounds exactly like the kind of movie I don't want to see. It's turning my stomach just talking about it. Sex + toilet x children = disgusting and immoral.

My netflix of Heat just got here--Wes Studi's in it! I soooo have high hopes for this movie.

Here's hoping I have something good to say about it, a couple hours from now.....

Added: Okay, had to run a couple of errands but I'm back and now about halfway through the movie. Damn. Everyone's in this. rofl. There's a lot of Pacino, Deniro, and Kilmer in it--Val's not as annoying in this one as he usually is in other movies I see him in. Tom Sizemore's in it also. He's gone off the rails in real life but I always liked his acting. Still mesmerized by Wes Studi but he's not in it as much as I would have liked. So far, Ted's had one three-minute bit and if he's already shot his wad here, I will be disappointed. Looks like a decent movie, regardless.....so far.

Added: Okay, Ted's on the roof with Pacino. He's got a few scenes so far. It's hard not to like this movie. I'm going to say if you can get your hands on it or netflix it, go for it. It's worth a viewing. And as always, I must comment on the amount of spirit gum on Ted--he's totally unglued in this one. My toupee sensors aren't tingling at all. He's sharp as hell.

Big smile. Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggg smiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiile.

Added: Val Kilmer just killed Ted!!! I told you he was an a-hole!! Val Kilmer must die!!!

No one is telling you to see it. You're entitled to your opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine. What I do take exception to is your characterizations. I enjoyed Ted's scenes in the movie, I thought he (along with McDonnell) were the best things in it.

I keep saying it's not my kind of movie, and that the content was relevent to the movie and the script but that I don't like that stuff and don't watch it--and it keeps coming back to me. Not sure why.

To be completely honest, what really teed me off was joking about it as though that stuff isn't sick and then joking about being the next one in the toilet with Ted. 1) It is sick. 2) We have young posters in here who don't need to be reading that in here, especially comments suggesting that that behavior is normal, and 3) This actor is married. Do you know how many celeb marriages have suffered or completely fallen apart over stuff published in Tabloids and reported on trashy TV gossip shows? The internet has added a new wrinkle to that--now wives and families can come in the studio's website and read comments like those about their husbands and fathers. It's vulgar and disrespectful.

Movies show content that is relevent to the story--if they're telling a story of violence, you see violence. If they're telling a story of depravity, you see depravity. If they're telling a story of alcoholism, you see a lot of drinking. That scene's content was relevent to that movie--it's simply not my kind of movie. Period.


Stanley posted in here. Lee posts in here. This is the USA website--this board gets read. Even when I decide to post something "negative" in here, I always make every single posting under the full assumption that every last one of these people are huddled against the soft glow of their computer screens reading some of the bone-headed comments in here. All in fun or not, there's a line we don't need to cross. Beyond that, it makes us all look bad, even if no one's reading in here but us. It makes us all look brainless. Bad form. Very bad form.

Saying Ted's so hot and Tony's so hot--sounds tweenish but okay. Saying we'd like to nail him in a toilet like a scene from that movie is vulgar and disrespectful. It's disrespectful to these actors, their wives, and their children. Personally I wouldn't touch either one of them with a ten foot pole. Why? They are married.

We need to show more respect and rein in our humor a little bit. We need to temper our posts with maturity, respect, and intelligence. There are teachers in here and engineers, and I don't remember what all from the survey thread but there's a wide scope of people in here--we need to sound a lot less like we're all teenage girls giggling at a sleepover.

You made a lot of good points here.

I certainly hope so. No shot at anyone at all and I'm not trying to start a fight. Right now, I'm just wondering if there's half a hope in hell of getting this thread back on track. I'd like to see us just talk about his movies without things taking a left. I'm sure my opinion of where things took a left will different greatly from other posters' opinions of where things took a left.

I just don't want to catch hell for deciding not to see one of Ted's movies or for having gall enough to explain why I don't want to see a particular movie.

Back to watching Heat. It's a movie. I hear Ted's in it.....

I saw Heat years ago. I was so busy watching Pacino and De niro, I couldn`t comment on Ted. I didn`t know anything about him until Monk started. I knew I had seen him around and that`s about all. I love his work on Monk, maybe I will have to watch Heat again.

I'm a screenwriter and writer, and I'm speechless. And floored. How did a simple thread about Ted's movies suddenly become a tirade/treatise/judgement? This kind of implied censorship/mindset almost makes me want to delete my membership from this board. Not cool. Not cool at all.

And this from a poster who previously wrote about Ted shooting his wad? Pull-ease!

I can't believe you're a screenwriter or any other kind of writer.

I'm not supposed to have a problem with anything you've said but you have a problem with everything I said. Thanx for calling it a tirade. Wow. That really puts me in a bad light.

Why is it that people who just don't want to exercise any kind of responsibility or restraint or show any kind of respect immediately run and play the censorship card? How old are you? Why don't you post such vulgar content on boards that don't attract young posters and aren't family-oriented? Wouldn't that be exercising good judgement??

This isn't a third party, fan-based message board--it's the USA studio's message board. It gets read.

I can see from every single one of your gushing "Ted is yummy" posts that you have absolutely no respect for that man, and beyond that, that's is patently the way that young teenage girls talk. Again, how old are you? I called for self restraint, maturity, and respect--not censorship. There are other boards on the internet more appropriate to that content.

The only way to err on the side of caution in here is always assume that these actors, their wives, and even their kids are in here reading. If I was Ted Levine's wife--internet or not, free speech or not, and joking or not--I'd want to box your horny little ears in. That man is married...and not to you. He won't be meeting you in any toilets anywhere for sex or anything else.

If you're going to post potentially hurtful content, maybe you should go find a more appropriate board. Try showing some respect.

I would like to think this is a good, wholesome board since Monk is a good wholesome show. The content of this thread is not. Children do look at this stuff. Maybe, there (should be) some censorship here. Can it hurt to be group minded when it comes to sex? It does bother some people. And what about the person, who posted those very offensive things, on some of the boards last week? What about his user name? Where do we draw the line? I think this topic would be better on a board where this kind of talk is the norm. I know what`s right and can`t be wrong. It is never wrong to post good and wholesome things.

Thank you. And how often do I lock horns with someone? This is the second time and I feel justified in both instances. I don't care about having opposing opinions with anyone--it makes a more honest and interesting board. But you don't take pot shots--of course I lob them at will if pot shots have been taken on me.

BTW--Liv, you had nothing at all to apologize for. And disagreeing with me or anyone else in here is not an offense. It keeps the board honest and interesting. Carry on. I love reading your posts.

I said I didn't want to see that movie and I said why. That's all it took apparently. We don't need to graphically tell about those kinds of scenes and be talking about similar rendevous--not with the character but the actor, presumably a real person--and a married man. That's hurtful.

I have yet to encounter even one, single, logical, legitimate argument against self-restraint, respect, and maturity. It's called being considerate. I think the overwhelming concensus at this point is in support of it....at least judging by some of the responses in here.

Sometimes i hate him, but sometimes love him.

Hate, cause he is not gonna assist Monk for getting his badge back,

Love, cause he is always looking for Monk's help, a kind of friendship thing.

As a side note: the comment about Ted shooting his wad--was NOT a sexual reference. Where is your mind at??? I've heard it used most often with relation to gamblers who put every last chip they have left on a single poker hand or roll of the dice. Get your mind out of the gutter. What did you think I was talking about?? It means to blow everything you have left on one shot at winning and I was referring to Ted possibly having only that one scene in Heat. Is everything a roll in the hay for you?

Also, mentioning you're a screenwriter and writer--totally out of left field. I think I was supposed to be intimidated by that. What movies and books have you written? When were they published and/or filmed?

I am a writer belonging to a writer group, and according to a writer in that group who has been published multiple times, I am five chapters and 60 pages into a salable, marketable YA book. Where can I buy your books? Because honestly, I've never seen you post any comments in here to date that would lead me to believe you're the writer of anything but fortune cookies and teen beat magazine articles. Love to get the amazon link to some of your books and movies. Let me know.

I'm new to the boards (actually registered to pay respects to Stanley Kamel). I can't believe I never realized before reading this thread that Ted Levine was Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs! I had to rewatch a clip on YouTube to make absolute sure. I'm learing something! Thanks!

This kind of nonsense has no place on a public board. If you want to impugn my credibility and veracity, at least you could have done so by sending me a private message. But no. If you had bothered to look at ALL of my previous posts, you would have seen the one where I introduced myself and and listed my credits. I fail to see where I have to justify myself to you---or anyone else---for that matter, regarding myself or my opinions.

You want an Amazon link?

http://www.amazon.com/My-Horrible-Year-Kar...9219&sr=8-1

It was nominated for a Daytime Emmy. Guess that's what writing fortune cookies and for teen beat magazines will get you.

You can also look me up on Google and IMDB.

Now where do I go to get my apology?

Good luck with your writing. You're off to a fine start if your posts here are any indication.

I think the reason yvette88 ask the question, is because you start your post out by saying "as a writer"

And you use your limited credentials to brow beat anyone who dares disagree with you???

I don't care about your resume. YOU brought it up. What kind of a writer talks the way you do???? One link and there isn't even a picture of this book you supposedly wrote or whatever it is. What does you're being a writer have anything to do with this argument at all?? Just like other women writers are you? 90% ego and 10% panty hose. Yeah, fortune cookies and teen beat articles.



And I know exactly why you're tweeking:

You disrespected the man and I called you on it.


I don't ever apologize for being right. You can feel free to apologize for being vulgar, immature, and disrespectful any time you like.

This is a family-oriented message board. Act accordingly. You don't even know how to behave yourself in here.

LOL! Just the response I expected. Who said anything about books? I'm very happy writing what I'm writing, and MY HORRIBLE YEAR was (and still is) very good to me. The ONLY reason I brought up being a writer was in reference to posting on a message board.

All I can say, Yvette, is if this is the best you can do, keep them coming. You're the highlight of my day. Disrespected Ted Levine? As Stott would say, Holy Mother of Mercy!!

Now can we get back to discussing Ted's movies? I love him best in HARLAN COUNTY WAR. His appearance in the Jesse James movie is hardly worth mentioning, but he sure did look good in a bowler hat.

More retorts from Ted's personal stalker.






Yeah, you sound like an accomplished writer. Don't know where I got that whole giggling teen at a sleepover thing. Are you saying you're part of the reason daytime TV is a sucking black hole? I wouldn't shout that out in a crowded room.


Like I said before, if I was Ted's wife, reading some of the twaddle you throw up in here about her husband, then internet or not, free speech or not, and joking or not--I'd want to box your horny little ears in. That man is married...and not to you. He won't be meeting you in any toilets anywhere for sex or anything else.

You're right--that nonsense has no place in here. Please stop posting it.

Then don't read my messages, Yvette. Plain and simple. I also resent your attempt at comedy, if that's what it is, about being Ted's stalker. As someone who was the victim of a stalker, that's really uncalled for.

If you feel the need to send me such messages via PM, go right ahead. I won't block you. But this thread is about Ted Levine and his movies. Not me, and not you.

Your last 20 posts seemed to be:

Ted's hot.

Ted's really hot.

Oh my gawd, he's so hot.

I'd do him.

He's hot.

Ted's so hot.

He's so hawt!

Lather, rinse, repeat the list again.....




Twaddle twaddle twaddle. Tweenish. Oh yeah, you're a writer all right. I can't stop laughing.

Ted Levine IS hot, he's a wonderful actor, he rises above even the most abject treacle he's been in (THE MANGLER), and oh, by the way, did I mention he's incredibly sexy in YOU CAN THANK ME LATER and HARLAN COUNTY WAR? And I love the way he arches his eyebrows and does a slow burn on MONK?

Oh, and Yvette, you forgot to include the post where I said he was pretty sexy sucking on a lollipop in HCW---and in your subsequent post, you agreed with me! You said you got all warm inside! Another thing we agree on!

Then I think it's very appropriate that you apologize for disrespecting him afterward and that you find a way to do it without citing your resume. Did I ever say anything before this about your posts? Most made me wince and cringe but if that's the way you talk, then it's none of my business. Personally I'd never post like that and then go telling someone I'm a writer. I'm one too. I've also proofread reference books, and prepared manuscripts for the same for authors prior to submitting them to their editors. Not wannabe writers sending them off to sit in slush piles--books that were published. I've been doing it since 1991. Big flipping whoop. It had nothing to do with the argument. That was random as hell. If I were a writer and was waving that banner in here, I'd make sure at least the bulk of my comments had more substance than that. I'm 45. I try to sound like it at least most of the time. And is there anything in the lollipop comment that is sexually vulgar and disrespectful?

Like it or not, you have to watch what you say in here. I don't like being jumped on because I dare to say I don't like one of his films or that I intend to skip one and then because I've said why. It's inappropriate to post explicit comments in here and then to have the gall to suggest that that conduct is normal or healthy or funny, knowing there are minors in here reading and posting.

And suggesting self-restraint, maturity, and respect isn't nonsense or reason enough to play the censorship card. Different content is appropriate for different boards. That's common sense. That content is NOT appropriate for this one.

I never ever ever have any problem apologizing when I'm wrong or out of line--and I have a track record for that. I don't owe one here. You owe one, however, and not to me. Think about it.

Then we're just going to have to agree to disagree, Yvette. Calling me a stalker? And you go on and on about disrespect? Uh, fine, forget it. You know, life's too short. Again, if you don't like my posts, don't read them. I don't know what more can be said. I keep trying to bring the thread back to Ted Levine and his movies. I've asked you to take this off the public message board and to PM's. You don't wish to, that's okay. C'est la vie. But I will continue to post and express my opinions. If this bothers you, once again, skip my posts. If anyone takes exception to anything I write (or I've previously written), they know where to find me.

You don't start an issue in here and then try to duck into private with PMs--backpeddling are we? You have no legitimate reason at this point to PM me so I blocked yours.

You want to bring the thread back into movies because you're doing badly with this issue. Reading or not reading your posts isn't the issue--posting inappropriate and explicit comments on a board with young posters is the issue. I have the "ignore" button for you--again it's not the issue. And if you don't want to be labeled a stalker, don't act like one.

Argue from here 'til February--you're doing nothing more than kicking and screaming and refusing to clean up your posts. You're refusing to be considerate. On any level. Load up and try again.

I did my best. Shrug. If the moderators feel my posts are "inappropriate and explicit" well, then let them contact me. Thus far, not a peep.

It took two weekend days and two business days--Oh, and phone call from one of the other posters--for mods to "peep" over a poster calling himself "F**KUSA" and leaving obscene, inflammatory posts on multiple boards. How about some self-restraint? Do we need babysitters in here? Do you intend to fly just under the radar?

You didn't do your best. You're tantruming and refusing to budge. It's like arguing with a child. Censor yourself. You're not the only one in here and we're not all adults. Some of us are young and impressionable, and expect the adults to talk and act like they're all grown up.

You want to walk away and not have it cost you anything. Well, I latch on just like a spider monkey, don't I? rofl. Load up and try again.

That's fine, Yvette. I'll just keep hitting the report button. Be a spider monkey. I like monkeys.

Yes, please do. I'll do the same. It's like hitting the "up" elevator button over and over.

And that would be reporting for what? Disagreeing with you? Asking you to stop being vulgar? Yes, hit it again for me please.

Game, set, match.

So anyway, now that the children have been spanked and sent to bed--Heat is a very good movie. Not looking at Pacino, though he's great. Not looking at DeNiro, though he's great. Looking at Levine. And, um, Wes Studi. Ted needs more parts and bigger parts--he has the talent to back it up.

Suggestion to Ted: steer clear of any more Stephen King unless you see another Carrie or Christine come across your desk. Oh, and how's the wife? How's the kids?

Oh, I have. Let the admins handle it.

Now back to Ted!!!

And just to show you how memorable YOU CAN THANK ME LATER IS, I mentioned it to my hubby, and he didn't even remember seeing it. LOL!

IMDB doesn't show Ted as being in any upcoming movie. Drat! At least we have the new season to look forward to.

If I have Ted withdrawal, I guess I can always rent WILD WEST or the FLUBBER remake.

I reported you as well. Now if you can find some way to move on with your life, I'll do the same.





Hey Ted--your movies are fantastic. Hope to see more of the same. How's the wife and kids?

I think it's interesting, to say the least, that since SOTL that Ted has veered away from those kind of roles. You know, he could've easily been typecast as a psycho-sexual villain, and he was able to steer away from that. And IMO, he was robbed of an Oscar! But as anyone can see from his IMDB credits, he's an actor's actor. He makes every film better just being in it. Toupee or no toupee, he's da man!

I don't want to start another problem/argument about this post, but I do have a comment to make.
I'm the one who posted this comment. Yes, I suppose it could be considered inappropriate. But, most of the posters who have been here for any length of time knows that I am a happily married woman, who would never cheat on my husband.. Or expect anyone, star or not, to cheat on their spouse with me. I think TL is very hot-looking, I love it when he raises his eyebrow, and I've made numerous comments about it. It is a fantasy on my part. It's not meant as lewd, lascivious, or disrespectful in any context. And it certainly does not mean I'm going to stalk him, or try to cause the breakup of his or my marriages.
I come to this board because I've "met" people here whom I'd love to get to know in person. All of whom share the same love of the Monk t.v. show, and the awe I feel over this casts' talent. And, once in a while, some of the ladies share my thought that Ted Levine is darn good looking.
Yes, there have been times when we have indulged our love of story-telling and blending it with our love of the show and cast, we, as a group, have come up with stories that could probably be considered inappropriate. As far as I know, no one has ever taken offense. If any one did, no one told me. Some of the younger people here even added to our fantasy story of Monk characters traveling to our homes via our closets. It was all meant in fun, and pretty much every one here knew that.
I did not mean to offend anyone with this comment. It was a joke. I'm sorry if it wasn't taken that way.

Meme

Meme,

Your post didn't offend me except to say that there better be enuff room in that stall for me too!

LOL

Hugs to all,

Sue~

Hey, don't lock the door!

Meme,

As far as I'm concerned, you have nothing to apologize for. I've been married to my old man for 28 years, and one reason why we're still together is because we still keep our motors running, if you get my drift. He even looks a little like Ted except for his ponytail, and I'm still trying to get him grow a moustache. I love your posts, Meme, don't stop!

PJ

Yes I was offended at that comment too, only because it was referring to some tryst in a toilet stall. That's just my quirk--I get all bent out of shape over stuff like that but then I calm down and get over it. It makes it hard to do that when it's turned into an argument and someone uses an opinion I posted in order to keep taking shots at me. I never even mentioned it until my original opinion was resurrected time and time again. I love reading your posts.

All I did was say I was going to skip this movie and explained why. Liv even offered to get an editted version of the movie to me. Okay, I'll be the quaker on the board. I've been told my humor can run slightly south of "blue"--probably comes from working in radio for 10 years. I just don't tell those jokes in here--that's all. I'm really not as rigid as many people probably think I am at this point. I do temper my posts in here and I think that's a responsible thing to do.

I'm also not trying to hush any other posters--I'm just another poster in here. I just see a lot of marriages falling apart and people wandering and what's happened to sex in the last 20 years is just too bizarre for me. I guess it's a sensitive subject to me. You just don't take a run at someone else's husband.

If that's part of what a particular movie needs to be in order to tell the story they're telling, then it's appropriate. I just don't think it's appropriate in here to go into explicit detail. Ted's an actor and that's his job. He's going to play--and has played--a wide range of parts. This was one of them. It's just not my bag of beans. Who knew that saying so would tick someone off. I hate The Mangler too--so far, no laundry workers have come in with scathing responses to my comments on that movie. lol.

I think it was a knee-jerk reaction by someone who took something I originally said personally. Hopefully it's over.

I guess I`m a quaker too. I just came home from my daughter`s house. I showed my son and daughter this site. My kids are not prude`s, however both of them said , "the Monk board is no place for this kind of talk." They both know how much I love Monk, and don`t see the need for the sex talk. Ted`s movies can be discussed without the crude remarks. I agree with you yvette.

Then I would say the same thing that I said to Yvette. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. If you find any post on the boards (including mine), offensive, then by all means, report it to the admin. I have kids of my own and there is nothing on this site that I would be ashamed or embarrassed to show them, including my own posts. I just spent the evening with them and their friends watching their favorite You Tube videos. As our beloved Stott would say, Holy Mother of Mercy! This board is a garden party compared to some of the stuff there.