Please let's not get into that, it's just going to upset someone. We don't need another debate on who Elliot wants. The claws start comming out LOL.

He never said that. We don't know if he was working or really avoiding it


Going to sleep I'll respond 2morrow

Night...it is getting late for me too...5am comes early...

ah yeah the Flirting fight- I'm not in that one lol but yeah, still, at this time we are in an EO vs. EK heated debate though

I am not trying to get into anything. Fights aren't the answer, yo! I just wanted to know when Olivia began pining for Elliot. That was my original question.

We will always have that debate until one of them leaves the show.

If Mariska leaves, will they still be watching the show? What if Dani comes back?

LOL, relax. It's their jobs to investigate crime and their undercover op is a apart of that. Just because he is married doesn't mean Elliot can't go undercover to do his job. I think your scenerio is jumping the gun a bit. I wouldn't get too worked up because we don't really have much info on what going to happen in "Wild Life" just a bunch of adjectives. I know NB and crew are going to pack in the drama but we'll know more when they film the ep and realese the preview.

Truthfully I don't think Dani will ever come back- Chris, Connie, Neal, Dick have all said that Dani is the 6 episode only gig. Besides Connie has her own projects as she's a very busy actress herself

LOL. My sentence is not formed properly and my thoughts were all over the place. What I was getting at is that there are so many interpretations to the Elliot/Olivia relationship. Hisgirl thinks that Olivia is in love with Elliot, that he knows she has a crush on him, and that El doesn't return those feelings. To her credit she backs it up with examples from the show. What I was saying is that all of those examples and conversations are subjective. Some shippers interpret those situations as both Elliot and Olivia have romantic feelings for one another. So in that since I think it is unfair to tear others down for their interpretations on Benson/Stabler because imo is not clearly defined beyond being partners. Here are the facts: Elliot and Olivia are longtime partners, Elliot is married. Everything else I think is left for interpretation. I think tptb like it that way. To each his own. My lame attempt to keep the peace.

Example: some people take Elliot saying he was "avoiding diaper duty" literally. He could have really meant that or it could have been said jokingly as an excuse so he would have an opportunity to talk to Olivia in "undercover".

Debates are fun, but the same ones happen over and over again. We are in need of a new episode.

This is the "evidence"? I don't get how these small incidents equal Olivia's crush on Elliot and he rejecting Olivia. If something this minor happened between Elliot and Kathy it would automatically be disregarded by the KE shippers. If one wants to say that there is no evidence that Elliot and Olivia have feelings for each other then fine... but it's not fair to assume that Olivia is some desperate-for-love coworker of Elliot's who constantly flirts with him and is constantly shut down. That's the picture you often like to paint. If you see this when there is no actual evidence of it... then you can't really object when other people suggest that Elliot and Olivia flirt with each other. What you described was certainly not evidence... it's what you saw or wanted to see. Just as EO shippers "see."

I just think we should all be careful and how we use the word evidence. Evidence is clear and in general.... is seen the same by all. If various people watch a certain scene and only less than half see it as flirting... then it is in fact NOT evidence. It's an opinion.

I don't remember the exact exchange with Jefferies in Stocks and Bondage. You have a better memory than me of exact conversations and episodes.

Aside from a primary definition of a word there are also connotations, so I don't think we are comparing apples and watermelons. Definitions of words evolve and have underlying meanings just like new words are added to dictionaries. I think banter and flirting can be associated to the same situations under some circumstances. For instance I would say that banter is more encompassing yet that kind of behavior can be qualifyed as flirting or being flirtatious. I dont believe that those terms are mutually exclusive. But I think it is improper to analysis those conversations only using one definition of flirt to justify your thoughts while ignoring other definitions. to flirt also means to behave amorously without serious intent, to deal playfully or superficially with someone or something, to show superficial or casual interest or liking, yada yada.



Are you suggesting that invitations to dinner are always made in hopes of establishing romantic relationships? sometimes dinner is just dinner. I'm sure Elliot and Olivia have had dinner before, they have certainly eaten together on many occasions. You are leaving out other information in regards to the Scheherazade scene. Wasn't Elliot concerned about leaving Brian's character alone? From what I remember that was the primary reason that Elliot insisted on staying at the hospital not because he was afraid to go out to dinner with Olivia in case she wants to profess her love to him. Further Olivia has turned down Elliot's invitiations to drive her home, eat, etc. By your same logic that must be Olivia not responding to Elliot's interest in her. maybe, maybe not.

When you mention the Burned scene you say Olivia is flirting. But by the only definition of flirting you acknowledge, making playful sexual or romantic overtures, that wouldn't apply to the steps scene right? Where were the romantic implications? Or was it banter? I think the direction of the scene on the steps was meant to show that they are still awkward with one another. They were still trying to find their groove. As I remember Olivia wasn't facing Elliot throughout most of the conversation either, yet only Elliot was showing that he wasn't interested? I give more credit to Olivia going to Elliot in the first place instead of ignoring the tension they have been experiencing since her returning from Oregon, no doubt their partnership was being negatively impacted by them not hashing it out. Who knows how long they would have went if they waited for Elliot to take the first step. I think the general consensus is that Olivia was trying to repair their partnership. The problem with Elliot is that he doesn't open up but neither does Olivia. They have both pushed each other to express their feelings on a lot of things. But why is it that only when Olivia pushes Elliot, you think its on some romantic level and when Elliot pushes Olivia it's because she's childish, or needs therapy. It can't be that longtime co-workers and friends talk to each other about things that are bothering them? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, yeah?

I respect your views on their relationship but I don't consider your evidence to be fact. All of the situations you mention are subjective.

No matter what anyone says, or how many different ways it can be said, shippers and non-shipper will NEVER agree. What an E/O shipper will see, a non-shipper will not and vice-versa. It's a waste of time, emotion and quiet frankly it doesn't belong here. This is why we have shipper threads people. Go there and leave the 'evidence' and lack there of out of here. This thread is meant for spoilers.

DSR posted Today, 09:23 PM
Number one to clear things up, this board has been pretty much peaceful on the Elliot Kathy Olivia debates and we hope it stays that way.

You may not want to have discussions and even debates on Elliot Kathy and Olivia, but that is what this board is for. To discuss every aspect of the show. But not fighting or personal remarks. That we don't need and there is no place for.
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We as E/O shippers don't know what he want's and you as E/K shippers don't know what he wants, and none of us can speak for a character that is still being developed on what he does and doesn't want. Especially when none of us write for svu and the show isn't over yet. End of discussion. There is never going to be and agreement so no need to debate, your not going to change anyone's mind

Nobody can read the mind of a fictional character. But we have nine years worth of episodes that show the characters' behavior. Sixteen in the case of Munch. Looking at someone's behavior can tell you what they think and how they should behavior if they stay in character. That is something the people writing the scripts should be doing. Unfortunately there is no guarantee that they are smart enough or experienced enough to do that. The scripts from the last 2 and a half seasons point to the conclusion that they don't know how to write a good script.
But every piece of Elliot's behavior since Payback shows that he loves Kathy. He has been consistent in that behavior and it should continue. The relationship he wants with Olivia is to be her partner at work. Nothing indicates that he would even consider a romantic or sexual relationship with Olivia. He has been consistent in that behavior and it should continue.
Olivia's behavior about Elliot is far less consistent. From Payback through Raw, Olivia understood that Elliot loved and needed Kathy. But sometime after Raw, Olivia mistook Elliot's behavior as her partner for something more personal. After he told her in Fault that a more personal relationship was not an option he was going to consider, she couldn't handle it and left. And after she came back from Oregon, she has been trying to push herself into his life beyond that of being his partner, to the point that she is trying to put herself between Elliot and Kathy and the kids.
Does Elliot know what she's doing? Yes. The man is not stupid or blind. He's been walking a tightrope between continuing to work with Olivia as his partner because they have worked well together and not having her mistake his behavior for something it's not. When Olivia needed to know how to deal with Cassidy, Elliot told her to be nice, maybe even too nice until he got over it. That is exactly what Elliot has been doing since Olivia came back from Oregon.
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Because Olivia want Her best friend to open up and speak to her she has a crush on him. He's all the family that she has and him withdrawing from her hurts her, just like it would any of us. Elliot has always been more closed off with his emotions, and expressing himself. I'm a girl, and when one one of my male friends is hurting and doesn't want to speak to me, I'm going to try to get him to open up. Olivia trying to repair their relationship to what it was in season one does not constitute her having a crush, and her wanting to spend time with someone who is very important in her life doesn't either. I joke around and tease my brother like that, am I in love with them nonononononononon(sorry creepy thought in my head) It just means she cares for them.

Olivia has referred to Elliot as her best friend. But that is not how he describes their relationship. He refers to her as his partner. He is much more important in her life than she is in his life. She has nobody else in her life unless you want to count Simon. We have not seen her have any friends outside of work. And there aren't many guys interested in her either. This should tell you there is something wrong with Olivia's life. She breaks up with the only boyfriend we have ever seen her have and she doesn't have a single girlfriend to vent about men. She has to drag her partner to a bar to listen to her moan about the guy she dumped.
Elliot has never opened up to Olivia to talk about his personal life except to give the barest minimum of facts needed to stop her questioning. He has never sought her out to talk about himself or what is going on with him. Not in the first season or the last or any in between. He has had more conversations about his feelings with Cragen that he has with Olivia. Even when he is in emotional turmoil in Ripped, he tells Olivia to leave him alone. He doesn't want Olivia prying into his personal life.
Nor does Elliot question Olivia about her personal life unless it affects a case or it involves her safety. That's just being a good partner as well as being a good cop. It would very odd if he didn't watch over her that way. But her personal life, such as it is, isn't something he needs to hear about. But he is willing to listen if she wants to talk. That's more good partner behavior.
Olivia's behavior in the last two and a half seasons goes beyond good partner behavior. And her opinion of their relationship is clearly different than his. All you have to do to know that is watch the interviews with Dr. Hendrix in Philadelphia. The difference in attitude towards each other couldn't be more obvious.
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DSR posted Today, 09:33 PM
I just answered this. It was more than one drink it was several times and 2 of them just because. The comment Elliot made to lake was "Avoiding diaper duty" Not "I'm working late,"

You seem to be the only one who saw more than one time in Closet when Elliot went to get a drink. Would you be so good as to tell the rest of us what other episode you saw them having a drink together last season?

HGFM, did you not read what I wrote? Or was it not clear enough? Your disussion for why you are the supperior E/K shipper and why you are right about E/K DOES NOT BELONG HERE! Unless it is a spoiler, NO shipper discussions should be here!!!! This is a spoiler thread people! Please, can we please get back on track!

If anyone wants to respond to HGFM's post, please do it via PM. Otherwise it will be like the engine that couldn't stop and it will keep going and going and going and going. I know that people feel strongly about their 'shipper' ideas but arguing why someone is correct and giving a long list of why is not going to prove a darn thing. All it has shown to do on here in the past is to cause fights. That's why SEPERATE threads for different ships were created. USE THEM! Don't bring shipper ideas into a thread that it doesn't belong in. That includes this thread, episode threads, etc.

Thanks to all who have read and actually follow it. I know sometimes I sound mean but I am sick of the arguments. The last two pages of E/O and E/K shouldn't have taken place here. If you guys want to have a thread proving who is right and wrong, create a bloody thread for that. Don't bring it into a thread it does not belong.

Mary82 Posted Today, 11:39 PM
HGFM, did you not read what I wrote? Or was it not clear enough? Your disussion for why you are the supperior E/K shipper and why you are right about E/K DOES NOT BELONG HERE! Unless it is a spoiler, NO shipper discussions should be here!!!! This is a spoiler thread people! Please, can we please get back on track!

Actually I didn't read your post because it didn't exist when I started writing my last post.

Sorry. I didn't realize that and I am sorry if I sounded harsh. I just don't want any more arguments/discussions on shipper vs. non-shipper in threads they do not belong in. I want to be able to go to a thread and read what it's actually about.

Sorry I worded myself wrong. I know you weren't trying to start a fight, your to cool for that. I must agree with Mary, wrong place for debates. I was saying I didn't want anyone to answer that and we all end up in a debate that turns to an argument because we'll never agree so it's no point, it hisgirls theory so maybe she'll PM you and you all can discuss it

While this is a board to debate on, it's not a board where you can shoot down another person saying you know this and you know that when frankly none of us know anything that's going to happen. I stated in that post we aren't ever going to agree on who we think Elliot should be with, so to debate about it is just a waste of time, and it will upset people. I just think that should be an off limits debate. Especially throughout the whole debate people are repeating themselves and sometimes people get upset and it causes conflict.

Ok to get things back on track...

here's what we know of the airdate

9-23- Trials
9-30- Confession
10-7- ? (my best guess is Swing)
10-14- Lunacy

From the recent production blog (go to it's own thread to read), it's stated that 4 episodes have already been filmed (or almost done filming). We are also aware about Swing and Retro. Over the summer Neal Baer said that there were already 9 scripts written; however I'm sure at this time now there's more scripts coming in.

Thanks for the update! I am wondering though if any of these episodes will be preempted due to any presidential debates or the World Series (GO CUBS!!!!!!!!!!!). Although I'm not sure about the WS...I can't remember who airs the game. Is it FOX? ABC? WGN? If that is the case, then no need to worry about that. But I would still be curious about presidential debates. And I would assume no episode on 11/4, due to the actual election right?

Thank you for the heads up, svulovesme. I don't mind which ep I want to see first as long as it shows the hot forensics tech on every ep, I'm satisfied.

NB better give me the thrilling plots I've never seen before, if he wants me to keep on watching the show.



If I remember right, the new episodes were aired last November ( or was it 2 years ago? ) when political debate occurred. They'd still air svu even if election is on the way.

They usually air SVU and show election results at the same time. And thanks for the update Mad...

I hate it when they do that. I get distracted to easily. LOL. I prefer they hold SVU for the next week because that annoying crap at the bottom and top of my screen drives me crazy. I don't really have a say over it though so...

From past experience, SVU is not usually aired on the night of the Election. None of the prime time networks shows are.

I hope you all got the new issue of TVGUIDE. It's an issue on returning shows. Here is SVU's. Most of us know the majority of this stuff but it's still interesting.

Where we left off Det. Chester Lake (Adam Beach) was arrested after gunning down a killer cop and ADA Casey Novak (Diane Neal) was forced to resign after lying in court. Fin (Ice-T) had it out with Elliot (Christopher Meloni) and asked for a transfer.


What's next Olivia (Mariska Hargitay) tries to come to terms with nearly being sexually assaulted during last season's undercover prison assignment. Elliot goes on a major emotional journey of his own that includes a reunion with his Marine mentor -turned-astronaut-Dick Finley (James Brolin) and culminates in a volatile-meeting with his long-estranged and unpredictable mother, Bernadette (Ellen Burstyn). "We'll find out why, despite his youthful dreams, he became a cop," says executive producer Neal Baer, "and understand why he runs from emotion."


Who's In One Tree Hill's Michaela McManus joins the cast as soon-to-be divorced ADA Kim Grayleck, a former federal attorney who's an expert on violence against women. "She's very crafty and you'll see her use that a bit," Baer promises.Richard Belzer returns as Det. John Munch , who partners up with an old buddy:"Fans will get their fill of him." And as for Fin's transfer? Looks likes its not going through, "Fin is in the first episode." says Baer. "You'll have to see what happens."


Twisted Turns Sara Gilbert plays the troubled mother of a kid claiming abuse by his foster parents (Luke Perry and Julie Bowen). Prison Break's Marshall Allman guests as a teen with pedophiliac impulses, and Olivia & Elliot pose as lovers to infiltrate the illicit wildlife trade. "You're going to see some crazy, juicy stuff with them in that episode," says Baer. Think compromising positions.

I am more on Elliot and Fin. I want to see how the conflict between them goes. I sure am not a fan of seeing two workers having a dispute in the same department.

thanks for the info trixie!
yeah, i can't wait to see how the fin/el drama unfolds and calms down, too. plus, i'm excited to hear that munch is gonna be gettn more screen time. and of course the "compromising position" thing has def peaked my interest.....just a little bit....... ( )
oh, and i'd just like to say "hi" everybody, i'm new to posting. been on the svu ship for about 2-3 yrs, eo ship since fault...........but i'm a lover not a fighter. and an svu boards lurker for 1 yr.
nice to make y'alls acquaintance (i'm from texas).

Let me give you a warm svu welcome! Enjoy the land of svu extreme madness and post away!

See that's what I want to find out as well. Knowing Fin, I doubt he will ever warm up to El again. He seems like the kind of person who doesn't forgive easily and once that trust is gone, it never comes back. I think he will be civil to him but the freindship they had during season 2-9 is never going to come back. Season 10 appears to be filled with conflict, confussion and drama, so far anyways.

It didn't sound like a joke. If he was working why didn't he just say that.

WOOT! WOOT! Welcome back, His, I, for one, have missed your insights and factoids. I truly was beginning to worry. Did you post somewhere that you were taking a hiatus and I missed it?

I thought the diaper duty remark was a joke/sarcastic reply, like one might say to a question with an obvious answer for example. "What do you think I'm doing here? Duh." I took the line with humor, not suspicion.

It may not be possible, but I would like an ep where it shows Casey being Lake's defense attorney, after all, she only resigned, not got disbarred, right? I just feel like I need resolution about those two.

I think Cragen should go undercover with Olivia ! ! ! (jk)

Also, His, I would like your opinion on Bernadette Stabler when you get a chance !!

You know men, whenever they are at work or not, they like to joke around with friends such as Olivia. I remember the part when Elliot was joking around Olivia saying "If Kathy's pregnant again, I'd shoot myself." Can't recall which season he said that, but that was my favorite line.

Whoooo... I am on 50th page!

I remember that too. He said that jokingly. IMO the diaper duty line seemed more serious than a joke.

Both lines were jokes. He does have a sense of humor...he has to with 5 kids...lol

i just want elliot to leave kathy. end of story. .

no need for anything else.

So true

And many of us want Elliot with Kathy, but this isn't the thread for that discussion...

As Mary82 said, this is no place to discuss that. This is room for spoilers, not EO or EK

Or... you can comment that on "What Will We See On Season 10" thread.

Does anyone think we will get a "in two weeks, an all new svu..." preview.

That would be cool..

I hope so, but tptb aren't always generous.

StrayStabler Posted Today, 05:56 PM
WOOT! WOOT! Welcome back, His, I, for one, have missed your insights and factoids. I truly was beginning to worry. Did you post somewhere that you were taking a hiatus and I missed it?

I did say I would be gone for a week to go to the World Science Fiction Convention in Denver. After that there were some problems where I used to work and I went back to help them out.
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I thought the diaper duty remark was a joke/sarcastic reply, like one might say to a question with an obvious answer for example. "What do you think I'm doing here? Duh." I took the line with humor, not suspicion.

Elliot used the "diaper duty" remark to avoid telling Olivia he was waiting to talk to her about what happened in the basement. Remember from Loophole that Elliot has spies. He knew something had happened to Olivia in Sealview. Good partner that he is, he wanted to know from Olivia what happened so he could help. He tries to engage her in conversation hoping she'll talk about what happened. But she didn't take the opening so he eventually had to ask her straight out.
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It may not be possible, but I would like an ep where it shows Casey being Lake's defense attorney, after all, she only resigned, not got disbarred, right? I just feel like I need resolution about those two.

That's unlikely to happen. Casey did not simply resign form the DA's office. From Donnelly's comments, Casey was going to be censured but more likely going to be suspended from the practice of law for at least a year, maybe more. Even if she did only receive a censure, she would not be allowed to be Lake's defense attorney. There would be a conflict of interest issue because she prosecuted Krane.
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Also, His, I would like your opinion on Bernadette Stabler when you get a chance !!

Aside from surprise that Elliot's mother is alive, I am disappointed that she supposedly has bipolar disorder. SVU has used that particular mental illness too much already. Elliot has never reacted to it in the past in a way that shows someone in his family had it. A better choice for Bernadette would have been unipolar or simple depression. That fits better with Elliot's statement in Scheherazade that his parents weren't very affectionate. A mother with manic episodes wouldn't match that description.
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BlaZer Posted Today, 06:02 PM
I remember the part when Elliot was joking around Olivia saying "If Kathy's pregnant again, I'd shoot myself." Can't recall which season he said that, but that was my favorite line.

The line is from Choice from season 5.
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EO_addict Posted Today, 07:01 PM
i just want elliot to leave kathy. end of story. .

Elliot is not likely to leave Kathy for a multitude of reasons. But even if he did, he still won't want to be with Olivia other than as her partner at work.

sorry.

didn't mean to int interrupt the flow of the great spoilers.


i'll take my thoughts to the e/o threads.

So was anyone watching? Did they show a preview tonight? Probably not...

Oh man, I totally missed reading this when I posted before. I am confuzzled..... Are you insulting me?!?!?! What?!?! Hahahahaha!

Well I hope for our sake, the fans, that they won't show a new episode of SVU on election night. I agree that the scroll across the bottom is annoying and can be distracting, but it'll really make me mad to watch a new episode only for it to be interrupted by "Breaking News" to let me know that Obama has won one state while McCain has won another....

And I hope for my sake that they won't be airing a new episode b/c I'm actually going to be at the polls all day anyway...I am an election judge this year.

Only 2 more weeks guys!! WOOT WOOT!!

nope.




I love svu but I will be watching CNN most of the night. I doubt any new programming will air on one of the most important days in recent American history. Every network will probably cover the election results.

That is so true. Hopefully, they will give us the eps we'll all be crazy about. I keep wondering if Olivia would tell Elliot of her incident in the basement in one of the eps.



It is okay. I made a mistake once, too.

I don't have that much of an interest in politics to sit and watch election coverage. I will vote because it is my right and it is a priviledge, but I can wait to find the winner. I will probably be watching some sort of baseball game or SVU if it airs.

Thanks, His, for enlightening me on Casey. I wasn't sure if she would be restricted once she entered the private sector or exactly what her punishment would entail.

I can hardly wait to see the interaction between him, Kathy and his mother. I was surprised to hear she was alive. I just figured since we've never seen her, she was deceased. Like, we know Kathy' mother is around because she moved in with her.

I didn't pick up that Elliot may have used the diaper comment to deflect the real reason he was still at work. Good insight.

These days I'm almost as obsessed with watching cnn as I am with svu. c'mon who can resist Wolf Blitzer? I'd rather not be changing the channel back and forth. When I watch svu it usually has my full attention.