Well Chris did say in the TV guide article about SVU that Elliot will be dealing with his problem child for season 10. Before I was hoping that it was one of his twins- at least Elizabeth since she seems to be the least seen and talked about of the kids and it would finally put her in the spotlight.

As for Kathy, I think she was pissed at Elliot for giving in the evidence to convict Kathleen especially since he didn't tell her beforehand about it, finding about it in court. That could've been what Ausiello was talking about of having a pissy wifey.

I hope Eli will have Elliot's dark hair.
In the first season all the four kids had Kathy's blond hair...nothing wrong with that and Dickie's hair got darker to brown as the seasons continued but still it would be nice to have a Stabler kid to have Elliot's dark hair.

Yeah Kathy and the lawyer they hired are both mad at him, because the ADA says, "the victim's property was recovered by the defendent's own father." Elliot didn't bother telling them what he had done. The lawyer, Kathleen and Kathy were all surprised by this anouncement. And later it's Olivia who asks Elliot's mom to go talk to Kathleen.

Ooooooh, this one seems really good. I can't wait to see me some Angsty Elliot and all. I like the family stuff, and it will be cool to see some EO interaction in there.

Is the new SVU ADA prosecuting the case? One thing that bothers me about this is that Kathleen's situation is not an svu case. It also would be a conflict of interest for Stabler and the squad to be investigating it especially given how Elliot covered Kathleen's DUI. Are Benson and Stabler officially invesigating this?

Oh. My. God. Kathleen?! Really? I am sooooooooo disappointed about this. I was seriously hoping that this would have been a twins-mental-issue. Preferably Elizabeth. Hell, I would have even been okay w/ this being about Maureen. Any child other than Kathleen.

Remember how wholesome Kathleen was in "Hooked?" I mean, she got dumped b/c she wouldn't hook up. Now she's some kind of skank? Urgh....

If she is using drugs, I'd say that there is more of a possibility there that that is what is making her crazy. And if that's so, why would Elliot think that jail may be the best place for her? She could always find better drugs in jail, and if she's that desperate, she could become someone's b!tch for them. Right? Why wouldn't her parents send her to rehab? Or a behavioral health institute (i.e.- mental hospital)? Get her some NA or something. And for the love of God, I know Olivia is concerned, but is it really her place to interfere by trying to get Kathleen and Grandma together?

I hope this at least turns out better than what I am hoping it will be, but still. In general, I am just so let down by this storyline.

No- it will be a different ADA from Narcotics. Benson is the investigator with Fin's help as well as Elliot's- I think it's going to be a bit of a rewrite of "Venom" when it was dealing with Fin's former step-son.



Hey Pinkie! I agree with you- rehab would've been better but Kathleen's a legal adult now and she can decide where to go. Plus she has to take the first step, "I'm a..." to admit her problem.

As for Olivia, I couldn't agree more- I'm sure it's in good intention like with Elliot deciding to convict Kathleen so she can get help, but she shouldn't get too involved, assigned to the case or not.
On the other hand, I hope Olivia doesn't wear a blue shirt! Last season, she's gotten Stabler blood on her in Blinded and Paternity- it's like a bit of a curse!

Another thing:
I've already seen season previews for Grey's Anatomy (Sept. 25) and Pushing Daisies (Oct. something) on ABC for new episodes...when will SVU come out?

I read from someone's post it will air on Sept. 23?

Almost everytime she wears a blue shirt something bad happens. Blinded- elliot was hurt, Paternity- car accident, and then I think in Svengali with the bomb. I hope the previews come out soon. I've also seen some for Heroes and ER.



Sept. 23 is the season premiere, but the previews should be out before then.

Thanks for the update! Methinks the promiscuity stemmed from the mental illness, and exacerbated by the drugs. Didn't Huang describe some kind of mental disease that sounds like what Kathleen appears to have?

Like I said before, it's certainly getting bubbly in the squad room.

ummmmm.......ugh........that disappoints me...but whatev.....thanks for the info though anyways!

I agree but that kid does have some problems. This new storyline had better be better than it sounds.

At this point it isn't up to her parents to send her anywhere. From the spoilers, Kathleen committed crimes beyond her drug use (breaking and entering, trespassing, burglary). Sounds like she has lots of problems and sometimes parents grow weary with that sort of thing and decide to let their kid get what's coming. If she's convicted there is a chance that her sentence would include some type of rehabilitation program (which would probably be supported more by her dui). The end result is not always prison. Anyway, it seems that she takes a deal in the end. In real life this type of case probably wouldn't even make it into court. She would be more likely to plead guilty from the start for a lesser charge and the ADA wouldn't waste time and money on a young woman with possible mental issues.

As for Olivia, I see where you're coming from. But she always has been the type to invlove herself in stuff anytime she sees fit. I'll have to see how it plays out.

I'm going to be optimistic about this ep and season 10 as a whole. At the very least Chris will get a chance to shine playing out all the drama with is daughter and Kathy.

wow! i got confused here....sorry

oh and i posted the pic on photobucket from the mh.org website, in case for some reason, some ppl couldnt get on,

http://s346.photobucket.com/albums/p419/pi...on%20the%20set/

there going to ask for a password, its search99

Kathleen has anger issues most likely, just like Elliot. Maybe they weren't exacerbated by an abusive father, but if it is genetic, then she would still have a predisposition for it, no matter what the trigger (s). Being female, it might affect her differently than her father.

I think Elliot is correct in making Kathleen responsible for her actions, and wrong if he didn't share his intent on doing it with Kathy. Just another example of the rift not being mended between them if they haven't learned how to communicate better !!! This happens with child rearing sometimes. Each parent has different ideas on how to handle a problem and they can't agree. One wants to coddle, the other, use tough love. Elliot learned his lesson when he tried to shield Kathleen from her DUI. I think he did that out of guilt because of the heated exchange he had with Kathy at the hospital prior to. Elliot is easily manipulated with guilt.

Knowing our luck, the majority of this whole mess will end up on the cutting room floor. Man, I am jonesing for this new season to start !!

I kinda don't get why people want the issue to be with Maureen or Lizzie...I mean, the writers have already established that Kathleen has issues. It makes more sense to continue the anger/drug/alcohol issues with one character rather than starting a whole new storyline with another. I mean I love me some angsty El but how much can the man take?!

Man I hope there is some angry Elliot in this episode. I love when he gets all pissy with Liv. Some of my favorite scenes are when they are in each other's faces sniping at each other.

I do not mind the drama, but digging more of Elliot's family background would be gratifying.

ya, thats what i was thinking, he didnt want to get in the same mess like he did with kathleens DUI, and i think thats why hes going to eventually thank liv for stepping in and telling her to plead out, that way she doesnt have the risk going to jail for the 2nd time....

exactly what i was thinking.

For me personally, I tire rather quickly of Kathleen. I enjoy watching Elliot interact w/ his family, but Kathleen grates on my nerves. I don't know if it's the actress who plays Kathleen or what, but I find the character to be annoying. After reading the courtroom spoiler, I can already kind of vision how that scene will play out. I picture her standing with her lawyer and hearing her sentence and then absolutely flipping out at Elliot; screaming and yelling at the top of her lungs about how much she hates him. (Sarah Side Note: If this scene actually plays out like this, or if this courtroom scene even happens at all, I have to say that I will most likely either change the channel or fast forward this scene, as I am kind of tool when I watch TV sometimes. I embarrass to easily at watching things like that. I will feel bad for both Elliot and Kathy, but specifically for Elliot b/c the people at the courthouse surely know him, and Olivia will be in there too...I am retarded, I know this. Hahahaha!)

Anyway, that all being said, I would have preferred to have seen this mental health issue play out w/ Elizabeth b/c I think she's the only child we've seen the least of. That's my opinion.

I will agree w/ Mad about hoping that Eli has some dark hair. It'd be cute to see his kid look like him some. Speaking of Mad.......Whaddup Buddy?!?!?!? I see you got screwed over by this downgrade too, huh? What a jip this whole thing has been!

Okay I'm going to really wait to see this eppy before judge kathy, but from these spoilers I think she is way out of line. Elliot probably didn't know the people we're going to press larceny charges so he returns the necklace hoping they won't but to call him an ass-hole, that's uncalled for.

Sarah on your side note I totally agree, I get embarrassed for the characters when I see stuff like that too, I may watch it and laugh though LOL

I'm excited for this ep, that's for sure. I don't care that it's Kathleen. Last we knew she was at home while attending college. Drug addiction and promiscuity aren't something a person can hide without raising some red flags. You don't just go home after a binge and act and look normal. Personality and hygiene changes usually are quite apparent.
In order for me to believe the degradation of her character, the writers are really going to have to explain how she went from bratty teen to an extreme type of behavior without Elliot noticing, especially if she is still living at home. He is a cop, after all.

I recall a spoiler about Kathleen wanting to go to college out west. Did that end up on the cutting room floor or did I miss it?



PS This site won't let me change my password so I have to keep resetting it. Editing profile doesn't seem to work. Any suggestions or help? TY !

They cut it I think, and sorry since we've had this "downgrade" almost everyone's pf is messed up in some way.

Okay I am just going to have to disagree w/ you about this a little. It's very easy to hide promiscuity. As long as she isn't bringing back random guys or girls to the house, really, how would her parents know? I went to high school w/ a girl who, by now, is probably in triple digits w/ the number of people she slept with. Her parents knew absolutely nothing. She never dressed differently, did fairly well in school, had a job, you name it. She just never brought that lifestyle into her home, so like I said, her parents knew nothing.

As for the drugs, well, I don't know what to say about that right now. We don't know which drugs or for how long she's been using.

That's what bothers me as well but look at 'Paternity.' The car accident had nothing to do with an SVU case but it took about thirty minutes of the show away. At least Olivia's brother was a possible rapist. Elliot's family seems to be the exception. On occation it does have a bit to do with SVU but a lot of the time it's not. I would think that Cragen would have Elliot sit out of this one and have Olivia work with someone else. We'll see what happens.

I'm interested in seeing how Elliot and Fin work with each other. I predict a lot of fights in the future.

Yeah I got the screw too but hope to talk to you in AIM or YIM some day!

I think Kathleen have used her center-of-attention drama long enough- Maureen didn't even have much of a problem, it was more like a teen troubles with her dad trying to adjust with his daughter growing up. Dickie and Elizabeth should at least have some sort of attention on themselves now that they are at that age, especially Elizabeth who, as it's been said many times previously, is the least shown out of all the kids, even the least talk about!

From the sides, it says that Kathleen was living in a dorm room so she must have moved out- my guess would be right after Alternate aired which took place in August of 2007. That gives her so much freedom away from her parents' watchful eye.

And Stray: I remember that spoiler too but it was either cut out of the script or in the editing room- it was supposed to be Streetwise but from the dates on the "DUN DUN" the baby wouldn't have been born just yet, Kathy was still pregnant. And knowing us, we would have noticed and make a big deal out of their bloopers

I know this must have already been said but the Stabler drama is over done and old, old, old. Can't the writers come up with something more creative? Good lord. The season hasn't even started and I already don't care to see it. I could care less what happens to Kathleen. Throw her in a psych ward and call it a day. Stabler needs to keep the drama outside of work and allow the show to be about the freakin cases. Same goes with Olivia and the rest of the crew. It's fine to have a tad of outside drama here and there but good lord! How much Stabler family crap are we going to be exposed to?

This might have already been said, but I don't feel like reading all of the posts.

A.) The shirt doesn't have sleeves so that Chris doesn't sweat to death when they aren't filming. It is summer time. And they were rehearsing the scene.

B.) The ring is off- because HELLLOOO- he and Kathy aren't the same. For all we know the papers were turned in and they're living in sin. And there has to be some kind of personal drama for Elliot to go through this season. Whether it be EO or vow renewals- blah blah- the ring is a big detail that was deliberatly added...or taken out, in this case. SVU is not a show that blows off details like a wedding ring for 2 seasons. One eppy maybe- but 2 seasons- I- ah- don't- ah- THINK SO!

C.) My vote is EO. I am so ready for some action. EO! WoooHOOO! EO!

In real life -yes absolutely- a wedding ring left by the beside doesn't mean divorce or problems of any kind, but on a TV show or in a theatrical production- movie-what have you- IT DOES! Especially since we rarely see the personal lives of these characters. Wedding rings in a production of any kind is a big deal. God forbid you forget to take your real life ring off and the director catches it on your finger half way through. It's a big f-ing deal.

LOL! I noticed that everything that has been said about the wedding ring MIA is the same thing I had said in the thread I made for it, especially the importance of it being on his finger in a TV show where stereotypes, props and courses of action are looked at like crazy. I'm not too sure how his wedding ring being gone for two seasons has anything to do with spoilers but I think for the sake of the sanity of the E/K shippers, E/O needs to be kept in the E/O thread and the 'ring' discussion needs to go in the 'ring' thread. Just a suggestion.

so do i & my bro laughs at me cuz of that

I don't hesitate to say that I am not looking forward to this eppy at all!

Two reasons:

1. We've seen enough of the Stabler's drama

2. I strongly dislike Kathleen! I mean - STRONGLY! She doesn't deserve an entire eppy! Blech!


ANDREA

I agree 100000000000%




I knew about A already, but they still could have been done, those pics are out of order so they could've rehersed 1st filmed and then was getting ready to leave and chris put his ring back on instead of the rehearsing filming taking a break only for chris to take his ring off for whatever reason then put it back on to film again, I wasn't there so I don't know but that's my theory.

and about B the big reason we we're debating is because some pics he's wearing it and others he's not, so we're trying to figure out the best scenario that makes the most sense, like stated above, and in the quote.

There's a ring thread!!!!?? Jesus crimeny! I'm sorry- I wouldn't have even thought to look for that thread...because That's RIDICULOUS!


Okay, sorry Mary, Not yelling at you, just trying to wrap my mind around that idea or finger. Oy vay- you people are way too organized.

Well, they got me!! Bastards! I least I got to keep my name.

Please add me to the list of those sick of kathleen. I don't really mind the personal stuff thrown in every few episodes, but I think keeping it on Mama Stablers illness was enough for now. I am excited about seeing her. Does this mean she now lives with them? Jeez, one person leaves that house another one enters.

What really bothers me, I waited 10 years for someone to call someone else an ass.hole. To a perp, to Sgt Tucker, especially among the squad (really at some point in time everyone could have called Elliot that) and it's Kathy?
At least, if the spoilers are true, I understand why she did it, he would have gotten a lot worse from me.

Hahahaha! I think this is the only show I watch where characters don't swear at one another! I think the most we have heard is Elliot calling a perp a pr!ck, or a perp calling Olivia a b!tch. So I am looking forward to Elliot being called an ass.hole. I love him, I do, but agreed: he's had this name calling coming for awhile. Regardless of the situation. (Don't hate!)

Elliot's always being called a name, the only thing on the top of my head is bastard, and when Fin through his hissy fit and called him pratically everything, but yes he's always being called names. And Benson called him an SOB

I hope Kathy doesn't call him an external rectal opening before she knows what the heck she's talking about 1st. I bet any amount of money Elliot gave the necklace back hoping the people wouldn't press charges, and regardless he gave it back which was the right thing, so for someone to get upset about that, speaks wonders for their character.

Okay quick edit, I actually had wrote "a*hole, and somehow the downgrade changed it to external rectal opening WTF, I'm going to leave it beacuse that's too funny. LOL

In some ways, I can see Kathy calling El this (and yes, someone should have said this quite some time ago), but how many times is El supposed to act above the law for this girl? The last time caught up with him in Screwed. Now, if Kathleen wants to sex her way to the grave, that is her business, but she is now breaking and entering, stealing? Sorry, but Elliot can't continue to hide her crimes, and how is that damn brat ever going to take responsibility if she is never held accountable. Elliot being a cop is a convenience for them? Sorry, it does not work that way. Either El's work is a problem or it isn't. Can't have it both ways...

ANDREA

p.s. I hate Kathleen, and why is this an SVU case? Why would Cragen even allow this after the trouble Benson and Stabler have caused with their respective family problems?

Actually in the spoilers Elliot says he think Kathleen needs help when he returns the necklace, so even though he did try to make excuses for her he later realized and that's how kathleen get's caught and is held accountable. If anything Kathy is the one trying to shield her
And Olivia called the case in as a Svu one and Elliot asked her why, but after that it doesn't say they investigated anything.

Oh, no, QO, not you too!

You just judged Kathy, excuse me!




Now we know that "Swing" will be surrounding the Stabler family. If you don't like it then don't watch this episode when it airs as I'm sure you do when Dani appeared!

HOLD UP. Watch you attitude missy or mister whoever you are when you address people on here, noone dealing with any childishness, I didn't judge anyone, I said judging from the spoilers, get it right sweetheart, and think twice before you ever address someone that way again, we already been through the pettiness around here, so if you don't like when people state their opinions A)too bad B ) address them in a mature way 3)go to another board the choice is yours

Whoa, you remind me of an uneducated vender in the street market, oh well.

Sharing the opinions of every one is fine, however, “you” did say “I’m Not Going To Judge Kathy”, and then wrote a post about it.

Ditto...

I said "looking at the spoilers", don't speak of being uneducated until you learn to read, grow up. And opinions of people on this board has nothing to do with SVU so if it's not a compliment noone gives a damn. :ugh: What did we do to you for you to get nasty like that besides not kissing Kathy's as* since we aren't E/K shippers

I understand why he did what he did. But he should have told them before they found out about in court. If it is true, and that is a big if, he at least should have given a heads up that he gave the necklace back. Sertiously, hasn't he been " surprised" in court enough to know its going to come up? If kathleen is pleading not guilty, maybe say, "well I gave the necklace back and admitted yu need help, so that whole "not guilty" thing may not work for you.

Besides I am not going to fault Kathy for wanting everything to be done to keep her daughter out of jail, no matter what she deserves. If it was my child I would feel that way too.

Hmmm I see where your comming from since you explained it, it makes more sense now.

My parents always told me that if I ever wound up in jail to get comfortable because they will not bail me out. I didn't want to sit in jail, so I did nothing to get myself there...If Kathleen did, then I hope she goes to jail...

Sorry Pinky- how about this?
Sarah41 is Pinkie
Pinky is Pinky

ending differently? ie and a y?

man, ppl really dont like kathleen do they, meh, to tell ya the truth, im no fan of her either....