I hope that, thats a horrible way for her to go.

Thanks for the info.

Thanks for this new info. Is it really necessary to have this girl taunt Olivia? Seems pretty juvenile....wasn't she taunted, or semi-taunted in "Inconceivable?" Urgh.......... Well hopefully this will turn out a little better than what I am already anticipating it to be. Maybe Olivia will go balls out and just jack that girl in the grill. I probably wouldn't be opposed to that.

Hey all..well TV.com has gone funky on me and won't let me post. So I know this ends up over here anyways. So here you go. I'll try to get my TV.com issues worked out. Less than one week to premier!!! YAH!!

ETA: BlaZer..O'halloran IS in this episode.

*****

This epi is a real mix of Ripped from Headlines. This has a lot of characters and twists. Honestly, if you don't want to be spoiled for the ending of this one, you shouldn't read. This is what I have so far. I will update this post to make more sense, this is what I have so far.

Opens with a man on fire and smashes into a sidewalk bistro. Fin and Elliot are called to scene. We learn that Olivia is on "vacation" and Fin and Elliot are stuck working together (awh how sweet!).

Ok, you have to see this exchange:

Fin: Olivia goes on vacation and my ass gets dragged outta bed? How's that happen?

Elliot: Just lucky I guess, And her 'vacation' is a three day conference on battered women, not exactly club med.

Fin: Humor me, okay? Only thing keeping me awake's the thought of her in a bikini.

LOL..Fin has the HOTS for Liv!

Ok, back to story, Turns out the man on fire is a young man with schizophrenia who may have been targeted by a group that is after crazy homeless people. Munch goes under as a crazy homeless man to flush out a "street cleaner", those who clean the streets of homeless people. Much takes a bat to the back before Elliot and Fin can get to him. This introduces a girl who is out to rid the 'vermin' from the city. Her dad was killed by a crazy homeless man and she is out for revenge. This leads Much to talk about his uncle and girl makes comment she would like to put him out of his misery and Much lunges after her.

Olivia comes back and gets involved. We learn a group of teenage girls who make a pact to get pregnant. Olivia gets a hold of the ring leader and really rips into her about the statistics of teen pregnancy. She goes on to ask Olivia if she is jealous of her, that "old chicks are jealous of her" and asks her if she waited to long. She tells Olivia she is 'pretty old'. Olivia doesn't bite and starts rattling off the responsibilities of parenthood and the health risks to her and the baby. The girl thinks it's all fun and daddy will bail her out. I guess this exchange gets back to the squad because later Fin acknowledges that the girl wasn't laughing when Liv got done with her. One of the girls in the pregnancy pact ends up killing herself, because a neighborhood mom taunts her into killing herself through email messages. This is the mom of one of the girls in the pact. Her son is the one who set fire to the boy in the beginning. The daughter/sister is pregnant with the baby of the boy killed. The mom and brother are going to jail, so girl left alone. Elliot steps in and puts the dead boy's father in touch with the girl and he wants to help her.

Whew….confusing…got that? LOL

Little side note, Kim gets her first taste of action when she is attacked in the courtroom by the crazy mom.

NO FRIGGIN WAY!!!!!!! I can't think straight right now!!! You're spoilers are always too much for me! I'm totally shocked by this line.



Awesome, awesome, awesome!!




Haha. I can picture Munch's boney behind lunging at someone.




Awe. That's mean. Poor Liv.


This episode sounds awesome. You're right...It is a big mix of "ripped from the headlines" stories. The pregnant teens.... the mom sending emails which leads the girl to suicide...

ITPROF4U, you're the best, but you already know that!

Thanks ITPROF4U, sounds like a lot going on in Babes. Definitely a mix of real cases.

Sweet! Thanks for the info ITPROF4U! While I still don't like Olivia being badgered about the fact that she is old/has no kids, at least this spoiler makes more sense to me.

And pimp to your line from Fin about Liv in a bikini! I can imagine him saying that, which makes it funny to me.

So this is all ripped from the headlines then? Which headlines? Nancy Grace? Greta Von Strustsen (whatever the hell her name is - Scarface is what I think Michael Savage or Bill O'Reilly refers to her as).

Well I hope it's a good one.

Thanks again!!!

Heeey, Pink, wassup? Never seen you in days.

Word.........!!! This is probably the most I've replied in days! Hahahaha! Had some free time tonight and am gearing up for the discussion of next week. I'm trying to get pumped! And trying to (slowly but surely) get to at least 1000 posts. I've been a a member for almost 2 yrs now and still have not achieved quadruple digit success!

Are you excited about O'Hallaran coming up this season?!?!? Oh yeah tech hottie......

thanks itprof4u!
lots of info there, whew! let's see............i too like fin's comment about liv in a bikini------hmm, interesting, kinda cute. a little shocking coz i always thought he saw liv like a sister.
and then the "you're pretty old" comment that pregnant chick made to liv..............OH NO SHE DIDN'T!!! URRRGGHH!!! THAT BETCH!! i hope this eppy ends on a high note for liv, like a group hug or something.
still, the eppy sounds really good!

For one, the group of high school girls who planned to get pregnant together in Mass. Also, a mother of a teen girl created a fake myspace profile as a teenage boy and communicated with a former friend of her daughter so that she ended up having a crush on the "boy". Anyway, the mom posing as the boy ended the friendship with the girl and she committed suicide. That case was recently prosecuted. And there have been cases of teens attacking homeless people on the street for "fun".

Yeah, I was appalled by the pregnancy pact in Gloucester, MA when I heard it on the news. Where are there parents in all this? The good news is, hopefully the guys in that are on to them and will stay away.

So, Kim gets attacked? Hm. I had to laugh, recalling Cragen's warning "That won't last long."

I am so excited and can hardly wait for next Tuesday. I'll be watching on my new BIG tv with surround sound and munching popcorn.

Poor Liv. She's not old!! But, I guess to a teen, even 30 seems ancient. So far, all the eps we've seen spoilers for seem pretty good.

According to Ausiello looks like we now know who will be the players in Babes:

* Law & Order: SVU has tapped Swingtown's Brittany Robertson, actor-singer-songwriter Jesse McCartney, and Entourage's Debi Mazar to guest-star in this season's 10th episode. McCartney is playing a teen who heads the chastity club at his high school. Robertson is a fellow student and Mazar is a mother from hell.

Debi Mazar?!!?!?!?!

OH SNAPZ.

LOVE her.

This episode seems like it is gonna kick butt. I can't wait to see this one.

Jessie McCartney? Interesting... can't wait to see that!

Jesse McCartney? blah...be better if it was Paul McCartney but he's not exactly a teen LOL.

I'm surprised that SVU hasn't tapped in one of the Jonas Brothers since they've seem to be having their own contest of which Special Guest Star can top before.

The two cases came to mind too. I live by Gloucester and remember that, although it's been a while since anything's been on the news or in the paper about that. I feel like they just stole a bunch of headlines. That spoiler made my head hurt lol.

But it seems like a great episode!

Yay, I love Jesse, he's a pretty good teen actor, IMO.

im with ya on that

Paul F'n McCartney = love. I think that would be the best guest star since Robin, lol.

Wow. I don't think I ever remember reading/hearing about any of this. Well unfortunately, despite the real life tragedy of this, the ep sounds kind of interesting. We'll see.

I just caught the end of "Game." LOVE LOVE LOVE "Drying-Dishes-Dad" Elliot. So yummy Anyway, I'm sad that the character who has played Dickie all these years is being replaced. He's so cute! Do we know why?

Thanks for all the updates!

I want to see El's face when he saids that. This is my first post here .

Me too. Welcome to the boards!

ITPROF4U posted this on tv.com. I thought I would add it here.

New Epi:

PTSD

This will be a Liv/Fin episode. We will see more of Olivia's struggle to deal with what happened in Undercover. This one will be more focused on her and the issues she is having dealing. Show will open with Olivia a part of a womens support group. She is still not open to sharing what happened. The therapist gets her involved with a missing support member. Turns out she is an AWOL marine who was rapped and is pregnant. Olivia does some investigation to find her, only to end up finding her dead and they also later learn the baby is dead. Investigations lead to another Marine. In the course of bringing the guy in Olivia has a flashback to Sealview and pulls a gun on the guy and puts it to his head and cocks they trigger. Fin has to snap her out of it. Olivia really goes after the guy thinking that he is the one who rapped Jessie (girl). We find Olivia has a problem with the military and how they deal with sexual assault in the military, all the coverups. Long story short, this guy did not end up killing Jessie, but an officer and his wife. Benson has to apologize to him and trys to explain to him why she pulled a gun on him and tells him she was sexually assaulted six months ago. He tells her to stop kicking herself and she says that is easier said than done. He is going back to Iraq and Olivia asks for him to keep in touch with her. He says he will.

Couple notes.

Fin learns Liv is in therapy and tells her he understands why she wouldn't want people knowing.

At the end when the marine is back in the squad room for Olivia to apologize to him, Elliot comes back and asks who the guy is and Fin says "That's Benson's New Man"..LOL. Says they have been "going at it for days". Elliot just gives a look. When Olivia sees Elliot for the first time. She asks Elliot how his vacation went and he says "How do you think it went, I was with the kids" and Olivia says "You'll recover"

Liv gets mad at the therapist because she used her knowledge of Olivia being a product of rape to get her to investigate Jessie's disappearance. Olivia tells her that she knows that she needs help, but not from her.

There are a couple mentions about Liv being on a "crusade" for victims in this episode. This coupled with what we know from Babes and her being at a battered womens conference, I'm almost convinced that if for some reason Mariska does not re-up that they are going to write her off to go do some work with a women's group. All these little clues are pointing to it. I think her dealing with what happened in Undercover will make her realize she wants to be apart of the healing side and work with women who need help. I don't know it's just a thought, but starting to see a pattern here. It would make sense.

Thanks, ITPROF4U



This will be interesting to see... especially due to the fact that Fin was with her Undercover and saw a small part of what happened to her in the basement.



Oh my goodness! This scene is going to be amazing! These spoilers are... I'm just chewin on too much right now!



Wow. I wanna know who (what actor) this guy is! I'm so excited for this. A marine? Sounds awesome!!



What a sucky therapist!

Thanks for the info. The show is really going full throttle with Olivia dealing with Sealview. That's good to see. I'm interested in seeing Olivia dealing with the emotional consequences of her assault. Sucks about her therapist though.

I love Fin/Liv's relationship, it seemed to evolve naturally with them slowly building trust. It's great that she can confide in him and that he's protective of her. I thought the real case of the marine raping and murdering the female marine might make an SVU episode. That was such a tragic case with a lot of elements coming into play especially with the critisism of the military not handeling the rape allegation properly.

I hate thinking about SVU coming to an end and CM/MH possibly not re-signing. But ITPROF4U's theory on Olivia's out makes sense and I wouldn't be upset with that kind of ending. It would also be a nice nod to Mariska (JHF).

Thanks for the spoilers, ITPROF4U. 3 days!

Hi

I think if MH leaves then I personally wont watch any more. I didnt watch the eps with Dani Beck in as I dont think you can successfully replace someone after 10 years and have SVU fans accept the replacement. It would be soooo diffucult to get someone in who would have the same chemistry with CM as MH does. x

Wow, seems like they have some Emmy worthy material there for Mariska. I love Olivia and Fin partnered too so that should be awesome. I wonder what the dude does to make here flashback to Sealview. I can't wait for that scene. Mariska acts SO well with her eyes, so I can't wait to see her snap with whatever makes her flashback, be it something he says or does.

Can't wait for this one...seems like a candidate for November Sweeps!

Wow. That episode seems really intense. Initionally, it bothered me that the Sealview thing was never followed up. You just don't have something like that happen to someone and then pretend it won't be an issue. I agree with Kbug, Mariska acts SO WELL with her eyes. It's almost like they're this window to how her character's feeling...and with that character, it's usually the only window.


I do want her to tell Elliot what happened though at some point or another. It will be nice to see Olivia and Fin interraction more, especially concerning what happened at Sealview, though. I mean, they were in it together and I feel like it only makes sense to have Fin be the one to help her out because he's the one that knows the most. As someone else said, it is nice to see the way their friendship has evolved. Thanks so much for the spoiler!



3 days!!!!

I think setting Olivia up for the next phase of her career is an excellent idea and would give closure, not that I want her to leave. It would allow her to express her nurturing side in a more personal capacity than crime solving. I don't want to see her character killed off if she doesn't renew her contract.

This ep sounds riveting. I like the fact that Fin will be there for her, since they were involved in Undercover together.
I am on pins and needles waiting for the season to start!!! I think I can keep myself occupied between now and then.

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Oh my God, in Florida, when Thatcher was egging her on, you can see Olivia snap right before she slams his head into the table. And then the scene with her and Cragen? Wow...

I'd love to see more El/Liv too, but as you said, it's cool to see Fin there for her, as he was the one there when Harris attacked her in the first place. I wonder what Cragen is gonna say when she snaps...if they even do anything about it...

Wow, I was impatient for Undercover, and I am impatient for this already. lol

DAGUMIT!!!! OF COURSE THEY LEAVE EL OUT OF IT WHEN LIV POINTS A GUN AT A GUYS HEAD!

the writers just make me so mad sometimes......

What's PTSD? Is that a disease? Or is it a code word for unknown episode title?

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder


So basically they're talking about Olivia dealing with the trauma of the sexual assault.

"PTSD" stands for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Thanks for the spoiler. I wonder if this is going to air in time for November sweeps (makes sense, if you think about it.)
The contract negotiations will be sometime in the winter/early spring...and that gives them plenty of time to write the characters that are leaving a meaningful farewell episode.

Thank you DSR and Lori

I can agree with you on that.

Hang in there pinky! I can just SMELL that there WILL be 'that' moment between Olivia and Elliot...where she spills out about the basement. We're just going to have to be patient.

Somewhere along the way...I can see Elliot questioning Fin about what he knows...and Fin telling him "you gotta ask her."

It will probably be much later in the season...she's got a lot of emotional work to do before she'll be strong enough to admit what happened (that spoiler says she still won't share the story with the crisis group as of when this season begins.)

I am so glad they are pulling all the different facets of how this is affecting Olivia...not just sweeping it under the rug (or even just giving her the premiere to 'get over it.')
And that they are including Fin in this as well...I've thought about it over and over (yeah, while waiting in the carpool line to pick my kids up from school )...how much a part Fin is in Olivia's trauma. She can lie to everyone, even herself...but Fin SAW the guys pants were down in her face; he SAW the state of hysteria she was in when he got there. He may not know all the particulars...but he def. knows how frightened and broken she was...

Can't you just hear Olivia, as Elliot tries again to get her to tell him what happened...resurrecting that old line "I can't tell you...because it's just as you once said;
I couldn't do my job without you(or someone) coming to the rescue."
(I'm so hoping the writers are paying attention and can dig that back up...because, I still think ...like many others here...that so many things in "Fault" were never dealt with. This line would be one of them.)
Maybe FINALLY, Elliot will apologize for saying that. I've been waiting 2 years now!!!

I'm very hopeful for this season, based on all the spoilers. Bring on Tuesday, PLEASE!!

Thanks for the head up for "PTSD." I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Olivia drama, for the most part, drives me nuts! HOWEVER, this episode actually sounds interesting to me. I like her line when she says she was "sexually assaulted" six months ago. I've always been a believer that Harris actually did rape her orally, so by her saying this, it kind of confirms my beliefs. For me anyway. Again, we all watch the same show but see different things, and this is what I saw in "Undercover."

Also, I can't remember who said it, but I will agree that Mariska acts well w/ her eyes. "Wrath" is a good example. The look on her face, and the way her eyes fell when she was told that there were no bullets in the gun at the end.....Love it!

I like how the continuity of the events of "Undercover" seem to be playing out. At least from the spoilers. But it makes me sad to think that this is what they might use for an exit if Mariska leaves the show. It makes me sad b/c I think when Chris and Mariska leave it will be hard for me to watch w/o them. I don't know.

Got these pics from Chris Meloni thread where a fan shared a story how she met Chris and saw his trailer, and also Mariska's. Chris is HOT!! Lucky that girl

I have kind of thought that too. But if she was then why didn't she press charges. Like in Informed she went to great links to get the girl to talk and to get evidence. Not reporting it would go against everything she has done before wouldn't it? I don't know just my opinion.




I would love to trade places with her right now!

I think that if Olivia were to press charges, it would be like admitting it happened. And then she'd have to go through the whole ordeal of court and everyone around her knowing. Which at the time would have consisted of Casey, Cragen, Munch, and Elliot. Most importantly Elliot. I believe Fin knows some of what happened, not everything, but a little by having witnessed her handcuffed to a door and on her knees. But I think Elliot, and maybe Cragen, is what she would have feared the most had she pressed charges. She's the only woman in that unit, a product of rape - she was handcuffed and thrown onto a nasty mattress in the basement of a run down prison, molested, and then handcuffed to a door where Harris forced her to get him off (my apologies for sounding too crude or graphic). I don't think she would have wanted to lose the last little bit of control she thought she might have had over the situation and have them (Elliot and Cragen) think she was weak in any way and unable to do her job.

Olivia will go to any lengths to help someone who is a victim. This is obvious in the fact that she actually went undercover at Sealview in the first place. Huang straight up told her that she was going to be faced w/ a lot of things she wouldn't like and people she wanted to help. She still went anyway, b/c the victim(s) (Ashley[?] and her mother) were the ones she was trying to help.

I'm glad for the continuity in this storyline. So far, I don't really consider any of this "Olivia drama." Again, I hope it's done right. Seems good so far from the spoilers. I like how Olivia seems to have a kind of trust or confidant in Fin, being that he was at Sealview w/ her. I don't know if this is something that she will ever fully tell Elliot about. From the looks of the spoilers and the clip from what I assume will be "Trials" where she says she's losing control, seems like Cragen at the very least will have to know. Especially if she snaps and pulls a gun on some guy in "PTSD." I have to admit though that I'd really love to see Elliot kind of confront her about it.... ah, but who knows? Maybe it might happen. Season 10 is still young

You just said everything I wanted to. Seriously. everything.

Also, I'm glad that they're following this up. I know this isn't a personal discussion board or anything, but I've dealt with PTSD and, personally, I know that it doesn't go away, that you have to deal with it, and a lot of times things like that get a lot worse before they get better. I hope the writers and producers show this in a way that's in correlation to real life because if they don't, it's just going to be an angsty mess...(although I really don't think they won't show it in a realistic, tasteful, respectful manner).

And I can practically hear the Elliot conversation too. I'm not sure if Sarah41 said this or if it was someone else, but "Fault" seemed to be left very unresolved. I think it would be very plausible to have Olivia say something to Elliot along the lines of "I didn't want you to think you had to keep looking over your shoulder because I couldn't do my job..." Whoever said this, I agree. It's been 2 years. Give us some closure NB!


I guess my only question about the "PTSD" spoiler is the part where Olivia says to the shrink that she needs help, but it won't be from her. Sooo does this mean she's going to go see another shrink? I was thinking Huang, but then my warped mind thought it would be particularly interesting if she went and saw Hendrix. I mean, we know she wasn't fond of her, but Hendrix used to be a cop, she's helped Elliot before, and it seems like she might actually understand Olivia from the perspective of a woman who's worked in law enforcement...



Then again, I really do need to stop thinking these things at 6 in the morning when I'm driving to work lol.


2 days!!!!!

In PTSD, Olivia goes in to break up a fight and takes a strike to the chest throwing her back against a dresser. The scene is then described like this:
"White Hot Flashes...Glimpses of Benson's prison attack flash like a strobe light. A rushed sound, heart pounding from adreneline. The snick of a hammer being cocked...Close on Benson...as she blinks."

Later when Fin is questioning one of the men, the guy notes (remember he is a Marine) "That broads got PTSD, I'd know that glassy-eyed expression anywhere. She shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun"

I add these extra details because it sets up how the viewer will see Olivia's struggle. We learn at the beginning of the episode that she is trying to take the steps to recovery that start when she admits she needs help at the end of Trials. We also know from Trials that it is impacting her sleep and her feeling of control.

I agree that at some point there should be a Olivia/Elliot discussion on what happened (along with about 100 other topics), but I think for Olivia it's about control. She has made up her mind who is going to know and how much they are going to know. It says a lot about Olivia's need for control that she still won't share what happened in Sealview, even when she is in a protected environment with others that had similar experiences. I think everytime she says it out loud she will be one step closer to healing. Her saying it and putting it out there will help her deal with the reality of it. It does irriate me just somewhat that she is open to freely telling a once suspected rapist that she was sexually assulted, but not willing to open up to Elliot (well not that we know of anyways). You all may be on to something that it may have to do with his comments in Fault, about him always needing to come to her rescue. Maybe she just feels it's not his burden to bare, but, on some level, Elliot has to know the basic details of what happend in the basement.

I have a felling that this episode is the arch for this storyline and that we will probably get a couple more episodes with mention to Olivia's healing. It just kills me that if this storyline would of happend 4 years ago, Elliot would have been the first person Olivia went to talk to. I think back to Futility, when she sat in front of his house waiting for him to come home. Shipper thoughts aside, their friendship has been fractured, and while we have seen a few patches in the cracks these past couple years, I feel they still have never fully mended back together. I couldn't think of a better way than to have a moment, maybe the moment Olivia finally lets everything go, and it be Elliot to help her through it.

thanks for the info!

I agree with you on everything. Olivia's probably my favorite character because she's such a strong woman, even though she's in horrible situations and surroundings. However, it will be really interesting to see how this whole PTSD thing works out. I like that quote that the marine says to Fin. I think it's appropriate for a marine to pick up on that immediately. Also, because she's having flashbacks, and control problems, I don't think she'll be able to hide it from everyone too long. We know Fin knows, and to a degree, Cragen has to know, as well as Elliot from his questioning her at the end of Undercover. But if she's having problems sleeping like someone else mentioned along with flashbacks, it's not going to be long before something, big or not, happens. And I think when that does, Elliot and Olivia are going to have to talk, whether it be Olivia somewhat breaking down or just having an honest, upfront conversation with Elliot. I think when that happens, if it does happen, I'll like her character even more because she'll show that talking about your own problems and issues, and allowing yourself to trust another, is what really makes a person strong.

I agree with you- it's like what Olivia said in Intoxicated that once this girl (and herself) have went through with an alcoholic mother once you admit it yourself and outloud, it becomes real.

Funny how that sort of thing would come around.

Found someone's blog from browsing through the Tie Tuck Luv community and discovered this link:
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/28009643.html
There's also a photobucket gallery on that link for more set pictures. Chris and Mariska were filming a scene for Retro, about the abandon AIDs baby.

Thanks, girl!