snarling unicorn just accidentally deleted a way-too-long post, which is prbly good, as she is way-too-long winded, anyway. lol.

this is going to be one of those 'edit and add info' jobs.



~moark~ (i keep misspelling your name today "maork" -lol- don't know why!)
you are AMAZING!! thanks so much! (and for the instructions, too! teach the unicorn to fish, and all that!)
this doesn't look that shippy out of context.
but, i will describe why i asked moark to post this, in detail, later.

tigger - you DID tell me you had left the church, and why. i apologize for putting you in the 'current Catholic' category. i know the decision to leave the church wasn't made easily, and i did not intend to diminish that. what i meant to say was 'tigger, you know a heck of a lot about Catholicism ... what's your take?'
which is, as always, BRILLIANT.

must process info, discuss more later.

okay - this thing i am not expressing well is my suspicion that there is an unknown agent at work behind the scenes. this unknown agent is responsible for setting Ross against Bobby.
a ff writer recently dealt with the issue, but i wasn't satisfied w/conclusion, b/c Eames had just as much to do with the Frank Adair situation as Bobby did, and she has not suffered retribution. (heck, it was even her idea to break into Deakins' lonely computer after hours, and so it was really b/c of Eames that they discovered Moran's involvement, etc.) Ross came to her about Bobby's ... ahem ... "overthinking", and there have been no dead rats in her desk.

why? who? what's this really all about??
i keep coming back to it being about Eames.

if we accept that she is most likely an acoa "hero", then her value to her 'career public servant - legacy Irish cop' family cannot be underestimated or understated. her father lost a lot of face over his "double-dipping" thing. she coulda made Captain if not for Bobby. etc. do you see where i am going with this?

Stash said something about doubting that Hamp (who was a genuinely nice guy, if a little dumb and naive) even knew he was involved in a power struggle with Duke. (and, since i make a habit of reading way too much into everything, i immediately transposed that idea onto B/A and came up with: Bobby had/has no idea that someone in the higher-ups hates him so much, or why. but, and by extension, Eames knows exactly what has been going on, and she is still w/him ...)
am i making sense yet?
(i am mental - totally mad. too many conspiracy theories, too much angst. i laugh mockingly at myself. HUH HUH HUH)

HI GLOBETROTTERSARA, and welcome to the best ship in the harbour. we may not be holding crazy bbq's or hottubbing, the way they are over there (pointing at NoRomo and Switzerland, etc.) but we feel like we're the only ones who know the real truth, so we must be important!! (lol. i am joking. no bazookas.)

Aww thank you!

Me and rabeka Jr. are roleplaying B/A shippy, you should join us uni. if you'd like.

just sign into meebo.com and add my email there.

~moark~

thanks for the invite, ~moark~ tell Captain Rabeka "ahoy!" i am waiting for my next student to arrive (i tutor from home) so i should prob'ly not ... but sounds like fun. can i take a raincheck?

sure you can.

I'll tell you what we're RPing when you get the chance to come k?

~moark~

You're freaking awesome.

The "person" wants to wreck her? Or Bobby who probably would know about it if it's true? Is that what you're saying?

~moark~

not 'wreck' her, control her. get her elevated to a position of power in the NYPD, then manipulate her to get what they want.
so they need to get rid of Bobby. b/c he would never allow that.

i don't think he did know. before. i think he prob'ly knows now.

but i am utterly mental.

They means "the abuser" right?

join the club.

~moark~

yeah - 'they' = 'the abuser'.
like i wrote in the PM this morning, i am too dumb to think of anyone besides her father.

but, they are Irish cops, and that's a whole other story.
i don't want to get pelted with bricks here, so let me be clear: i am outside America, looking in. i do not intend to issue disrespect to any group of American citizens. but, the context for the 'Irish-American Cop' character is as rich and complex as it is for the 'Italian-American Gangster'. they stick together - loyal to a fault. you're one of them, or you're not. but also; Irish cops are notoriously-mean drunks, pugilists, and corrupt. the list of sources for this 'presentation' is really long, from Bugs Bunny cartoons, to Gangs of New York (which was on History last weekend - hadn't seen it before.) the 'Mike Logan' kind-of Irish-American cop is the counter-model - True Blue. Alex Eames is one of those.

(tigger asks:)


very good question, tigger.
i have been thinking about that, too.

what do you think?

I don't understand ANYTHING about this "irish cop" thing. Sorry. O.o

Perhaps it was an uncle. . .but perhaps it WAS her father, I don't know. O.o

~moark~

or
her dad's partner?

Wow good theory!

(PM me please. ^^)

~moark~

Well, everybody has the right to have a little fun once in awhile

it's a good thing ~moark~ is here, or we'd be totally overwhelmed w/text. lol.

i'm sorry about all that, tigger. it's not fair, hey?
'heroes' are usually oldest daughters, but not always. and, roles can change as children age, and heal. i have rejected my spot in the acoa family hierarchy, so i am persona non grata in my family now. works for me.


i don't see Bobby as an acoa. he has different issues. if his father had been around more, maybe, but his mom was the primary influence. Frances was mentally ill, but now we know that her illness was not necessarily inherited or genetic. she went nuts b/c she was raped and tortured by a man she knew and trusted (the father of one of her children, fer crying out loud), and no-one did anything about it. no justice. this really does make women nuts.
i see him as a 'rescue artist' - a slightly different kind-of thing, but along the same lines.
this is a piece from one of the v-day fundraisers we produce - i see him as like this guy.

rescue

also, i see nothing implausible about Eames' mom being a drinker. moms can be just as damaging as dads. in my cop-oriented neighbourhood growing up, the cop moms were freaking scary. they were the drinkers, not the dads. and they'd yell.

it's a good thing ~moark~ is here, or we'd be totally overwhelmed w/text. lol.

i'm sorry about all that, tigger. it's not fair, hey?
'heroes' are usually oldest daughters, but not always. and, roles can change as children age, and heal. i have rejected my spot in the acoa family hierarchy, so i am persona non grata in my family now. works for me.


i don't see Bobby as an acoa. he has different issues. if his father had been around more, maybe, but his mom was the primary influence. Frances was mentally ill, but now we know that her illness was not necessarily inherited or genetic. she went nuts b/c she was raped and tortured by a man she knew and trusted (the father of one of her children, fer crying out loud), and no-one did anything about it. no justice. this really does make women nuts.
i see him as a 'rescue artist' - a slightly different kind-of thing, but along the same lines.
this is a piece from one of the v-day fundraisers we produce - i see him as like this guy.

rescue

also, i see nothing implausible about Eames' mom being a drinker. moms can be just as damaging as dads. in my cop-oriented neighbourhood growing up, the cop moms were freaking scary. they were the drinkers, not the dads. and they'd yell.

i have no idea why this posted twice ????? sorry folks

Fellows shippers, you just make me so happy! I haven't been around a computer for a few days and jeez you guys brought up a lot of points that are really making me think Thanks people!!!!


As for that "Faithfully" scene uni. the firt time that I watched it, my reaction was: "OMG she never told him that before"... And while she was still on the boat, Eames seemed 'not really up to going to work" but when she saw that her Bobby was back, she was all smiles: sweet
She was pretty happy to see that she was going to work with him not some other cop as she thought. I mean that's how I interpreted it

Love your interpretation, bogoalexea! You know, she says, "You look good", but like, objectively speaking, he really doesn't (see picture). And physically he looks a lot worse than in Frame--all scruffy and heavier. But she's happy to see him, so to her, he looks "good", right?

And I'm sure she's seen him off the clock after Frame, too, ya know? Good to see him up and around, and neither of us want to be working today but we have each other. Awwwwww

Awww, sweet!!! Nicely put girl!!!

moark has the best pix and vids on the whole board

Thanks--very sorry about your experience too. And yes, I'm the oldest daughter. I'm over most of it I think--learned to set boundaries and got out of the perfectionist rat race. Still have the guilt part though ::leaves to call therapist:: jk


Wow--you have so much insight into this! I really appreciate your input!
Can't get the link to work but got to the vday.org site. Is it someone like Dr. Antonek?

I have seen that occur also.

So glad you're here to give us topics to think about. It's called Criminal Intent for a reason, right? Why wouldn't the writers parallel stories with B/A--and we know they do.

Somebody brought up "Albatross" in an earlier post, I'm just bringing it up again.
Well, at the bar scene where B/A had a little disagreement, Bobby asked 'Are we alright?' Eames answers 'I hope so'... Remember Goren's reply to that? As soon as Eames finished saying that he gave a quick nod. To me that meant "Ok, that's all I needed to know for now, please don't add anything else"
Bobby just wanted to know that they were ok with each other. He HAD to know that
I always found that scene pretty shippy!


Well, I don't if I'm too pathetic because of this, but the end scene of "Alpha Dog", where the bad guy (can't remember his name) and Bobby were talking about jealousy, was like a total flashback to 'Silencer':rolleyes:
I'm quoting again (sorry )
Bad guy: "Jealously is a manifestation of profound feelings"
Bobby: "and also of insecurity and pathological low self-esteem"

We know Bobby's insecure and has profound feelings for her but does he have pathological low self-esteem?

What do you mean? What do I do? Lol




Awww thanks!

Uni I have to PM you about something. . . About the writers. (Maybe tigger too if she wants to know. . .)

~moark~

ME TOO!! the deja vu thing was profound! that's been happening all season, tho'. repeating names, repeating actors, repeating themes. WTF?
& bogoalexea - what you wrote about 'faithfully' was so sweet ... yes. that's just exactly it. what you said.
~moark~ i love your pictures. i 'talk' too much. i am glad your pictures are here. and those 'albatross' pics are so wonderful - it's a shippy scene ... in another one of those unsettling episodes.

tigger - here's the actual address of 'Rescue' by Mark Matousek. it's one of the best pieces of writing by a man about violence against women i've ever read. i'm really hoping to find a man who is 'man enough' to read it this year. (hubby & i produce - we don't perform.)
http://www.vday.org/meet-vday/v-men/rescue

OMG--I heard that jealousy thing too and was like "GULP!" Bobby--insecurity and low self-esteem? I get that part. I think the fanfic is right on target when they show the ongoing angst of a guy who keeps fearing Eames will reject and leave him. But the OUCH for me was the "pathological" part. Is his low self-esteem that extreme? Golly I hope not!

Thank you so sharing that, uni. That was so well written and moving. I would love to hear someone read that piece aloud also.

And I can definitely see "Bobby as a rescue artist" as well. His relationship with and understanding of Alex is going to be colored by/filtered through his relationship with his mother--the only major female in his life until he met Alex.

A lot of times, and maybe it's just me, but I see the compare/contrast thing going on with characters in the show. So you have 2 brothers, Frank and Bobby, growing up in the same house, and Frank, the favored one with "promise", ends up a penniless addict and Bobby ends up at least able to keep his head above water emotionally, or is at least desperately trying to, and he's even arguably "successful" in the sense that he's got a great case solve rate at a steady, dangerous job.

Then you've got the eps that parallel Bobby and Alex as a couple like Silver Lining, where the guy can't overcome his innate drive to steal ("what he does best") and the wife who kinda wants a normal life, but also seems to disregard her unborn child (which would not be like Alex at all--she gave her sister a son, and I'm sure she was quite mindful of her health during her pregnancy), and she's a murderer. So I've hoped hoped hoped this meant that you are supposed to contrast the 2 couples, meaning that, despite Alex's outburst to the wife, that Bobby really can and does love Alex more than his job--he can conquer that innate urge only because he loves her so much. IDK, that always makes me wonder--but what about Purgatory? Hopefully the job and Alex are just both too intertwined together that losing the job is losing Alex? Too much to think about right now.

So, uni, if you are right about Alex's past, is there supposed to be a contrast going on between Frances' aftermath and Alex's?

I keep about thinking Declan's line when I see all these parallels: they could have gone either way. But I think too much.

this is so 'tah dah!' ~moark~ you amaze me. yep, it makes me hella happy.
about your PM ... do you suspect they're reading the ff? or the posts out here on their boards? or do you think you're just completely 'in tune' with the characters and storyarcs, so that your writing is predicting/reflecting their writing??
with the clip - i ought to have asked you for a few more seconds at the start, b/c it doesn't look all that shippy from here. my interest in this scene has to do with 'gravity' and 'proximity', imo it's like ~moark's~ scene from 'untethered'. he does not need to get so close to her to sit down at the table.
'proud flesh' caught my attention when i saw it the first time. i was v/aware that there was way more going on than i was getting, but i wasn't paying too close attention - that was before i was a 'fan', and Malcolm MacDowell freaks me out. (singing in the rain, anybody?) but, the fact that Eames kills a man on the courthouse steps sort of gets one's attention, doesn't it? the second time i saw it, i fell madly in love with Eames at the 'kafka' scene. (my fav of all Eames' snarks. i like watching him squash bad guys, too. a lot. i'm glad i'm not the only pervert! lol) once i figured out how to access eps online, i sought out 'proud flesh' first. and, it's a major WTF?????

tigger:


YES!! thank you!! it's not just me, then. my whole 'subtext' insanity got going precisely b/c the parallels/comparisons/contrasts are just too darn obvious to ignore sometimes (like 'identity crisis' ??) and it got me re-examining every episode in that light. so, either i'm 'reading in' (which i do anyway), or it's subtext.
so, 'proud flesh' is a v/disturbing story concerning family, pregnancy, heirs, inheritance, heritage, ethnicity, belonging, domination vs. dominance, humiliation vs. submission, etc. it concludes with Eames killing a man to protect a woman who has been used and who is being shafted. in above scene (thanks again, ~moark~), after trying to get ickyLarry to admit to some things ... (using her 'i'm a dominating woman' voice again - worked with ickyLarry before) he says he'd enjoy humiliating Anna ... and Eames gets really frowny. the camera is pointing at her face, and she frowns. Bobby, without missing much in the way of 'a beat' drifts over to where she is standing, passes by her closely enough to discreetly touch her, and sits down. WTF????

Aww thanks. I made 3 screen shots yesterday from grow, but I forgot to bring them.

~moark~ did you watch 'grow' yesterday, too?? i was thinking about tigger's question about Nicole Wallace, so ...

hey - what if she was telling the truth? what if she didn't kill her daughter?
that was wrenching ... seeing her cry, beg for the right to try to be 'normal', her logic that she can't be all bad if someone as good hearted as Gwen could love her, and Bobby refuse to allow that possibility ... he was compassionate, but insistent. brutal scene.

that's a great episode. Logan is hilarious.

Yea I watched it two nights ago on my computer.

Uni did ya get my PM?

~moark~

hey ~moark~ yeah, i got it ... (replied a bit in last post ... about your PM ... do you suspect they're reading the ff? or they're reading the posts out here on their boards? or do you think you're just completely 'in tune' with the characters and storyarcs, so that your writing is predicting/reflecting their writing??)




(needs more decoration over here.)


that's a good point. (personally, i think he looks terrific, but i don't pine for the 'younger, Armani'd Goren' the way many do ...) he is scruffy and heavy. and being 'shy' (thud). awww. i loved this scene. but, she makes me think of a Dickensian character, the way she dresses so incredibly differently on her own time / visiting her family. like Wemmick, but backwards? (personal bias - i want 'the real Eames' to be the working Eames.)
i was wondering about their'off the clock' time, too. the writers have let us know that they do that ... i wonder how comfortble/awkward they were with each other, considering Declan's 'revelations'.

I meant could you reply to them? All. . . what three of them? Or just open up three tabs (or broswers) and have each message in it, compost ONE message out of one of them, and get the stuff you STILL need (or I want) to reply to in that one message.

did declan say something. . .? I'm confused. O.o

~moark~

I know! That's one ep that really makes me pity Nicole. She wanted to change: poor thing!
Goren can be cruel people but hey, he was right she couldn't take a chance, too much damage has been done

wally stevens said something like "there are no coincidences ... the larger the pattern, the more simple the truth beneath it." (definitely paraphrasing, folks ... not exact words.)
we got ourselves a real complicated pattern here, folks, but love is a pretty simple truth.


canada watched 'siren call' on omni tonight, and it get shippier every time i see it. i was struck by a few things: Eames is most definitely wearing the little chain, and she doesn't seem to want to let Bobby out of her sight. (tho' she does offer to do the booking so he can go visit his mom ... seconds before Ray shoots himself in the head.)
the entire case was FUBAR from the start, with Ross (i still say he's a dumbass - well, maybe a past-tense dumbass on account of 'family values') giving them the worst possible direction at every turn, ("lean on Ray", "let's pretend we got an indictment" - i'm thinking not what Bobby had in mind.) somehow on all other past viewings, i managed to miss Jason Raines telling Eames to hook up with a real man, and Bobby throwing him into a wall. (wtf?? musta been on a bathroom break.)

but they are closer. they are. in glances and non-verbal communication and proximity - they are closer.
the anti-romos have argued that if they were close, he woulda told her about Frances' cancer. that just doesn't seem right to me.
what do you all think?

I like that


Yes, I do believe that 'Siren Call' is a rather shippy ep... And when is the first time we see Eames with that cute little necklace???


I believe there's nothing non-shippy or shippy about Bobby not telling her about his mom. I mean it's just part of his personality. He has this wrapping himself inside factor that follows him wherever he goes.
Anyways people do keep things form each other whether they are in love or have platonic feelings for each other, you know?
That's a rather lame argument from no-romos

This subject reminds me of what the bad guy told Eames in 'Vanishing Act' while he was reading her "... unresolved issues with a man in your life. A secret he's kept form you and it's not the first time, poor thing"
I always wondered how did he sense that it was a man in her life? Hope I'm not over thinking.
That whole scene was always shippy to me (even before I was fully a shipper). And before the mind reading part, when Goren did that trick with the cards and them both smiling afterwords...

I think he kept the cancer from her because it wasn't something he really wanted to talk about. It had no basis on any love they feel about each other. He doesn't like Eames to see him weak and the cancer is something that makes him react in a way that could be deemed weak. Plus Goren tends to dive into his work as a distraction from his personal demons.
I think the wriiers were also begining the arc of Bobby hiding things from Eames(ie. Tates, undercover work, etc). The tone is set in this season that everyone thinks Goren is a "wack job" (see Amends). The being ostracized, coupled with all the personal tragedy, caused him to hide within himself. Exactly the thing he shouldn't have been doing at the time but......well ya know....drama and all.
One could argue his hiding the undercover deal from Eames in Purgatory meant he didn't love her. But I think Bobby was so caught up in his own personal crap and wanted to get back to some semblance of normal with Eames, that he did what he felt he had to. I actually think the part where he blew her off in front of the diner in Purgatory was shippy, because he had to blow her off or he'd just break down and want to be with her and blow the whole undercover thing(at least in his mind).

Hi everyone!

First off, I want to say that shippers ROCK!!!!!!! Shipping has such a logical component and not just a "gee, it would be cool if they got together" thing. We believe it because we see it! Excellent, excellent points, all!



Yes, too true. I think we could do a whole Tells of the Heart" evidence box on the parallel reference clues the writers have given us.
And that reminds me--thank you Bogoalexea!--we need a pic from Vanishing Act in our Tells thread.

~moark~, can you help? I already know the answer to that

--- hee hee hee--the little chain *sigh*

Off topic--what does FUBAR mean? I'm too stuck in computer land--in programming 101 you make up code using "foo" and "bar" and I can't get that association out of my head.

OMG--I remember that too! Shippy shippy shippy!

Oooh--and good points about Siren Call! The other thing I thought about was this: when my dad first was deemed terminal, I didn't/couldn't tell my boyfriend right away. Dad had been sick for the prior 6 months, and my BF knew that my Dad was very very ill, but the news when he was deemed terminal was a shock. It's very possible that Alex knew Frances was very ill, but I don't think she's necessarily shocked about the cancer itself part, but from the words "they are measuring my mom's life in terms of months". I think she asks "Is it true about your mom?" which is pretty vague--she could have said "Is it true your mom has cancer?" and I don't think she says that. Another excuse to rewatch the ep I guess! My shippy take on it.

I stil think it's weird how I just get along with the shippers, and so much the no-romos. O.o

I'm on it!

One more thing regarding the cancer news: Bobby specifically says in the "water carrier" scene in Purgatory that he "wanted to protect her" which is why he didn't tell her about his undercover work. I'm presuming that meant it was too dangerous, she'd worry, etc. Yes, Ross told him not to tell anyone, but Bobby also mentions the "protection of Eames" part. He may have withheld the bad news from her also in order to "protect" her from worry, etc. He tries to insulate her from his troubles, but he can't seem to figure out that she just interprets that as him shutting her out--isolation vs. insulation.

OK, uni--it all comes back to this--ok, he tends to protect women because of his past, but do you think he would protect all women, or is there something he knows/senses about Alex that keeps driving him to shield her from pain? I know you understand Bobby's personality better than I do from your work.

As you'd say, "WTF?"

~moark~

FUBAR is from 'Saving Private Ryan' and stands for 'effed up beyond all recognition' ... i don't know if it's authentically from WWII, like SNAFU, but i like the acronym.

hey bogoalexea - i haven't checked for absolute sure, but i'm pretty sure this is it. she wasn't wearing any jewelry in 'blind spot' and she has been wearing the little chain with the tiny charm every since. (i read some speculation elsewhere that the itty-bitty charm is a 'confirmation' cross. i know very little about Catholic traditions - tigger?) i'm gonna pretend that i know it was from Bobby.


(mmmm ... Bobby waiting for Eames ...)
was thinking about the title, a reference to 'the Odyssey'? (i don't have much of a classics background ... do the sirens appear in other classical texts?) and the need to disregard 'the call' to keep the ship on course, etc. no clue how that pertains to the case. as far as our detectives go, i can't get past 'families' being the bedrock of the episode (Ray's family, Kelly's family - that big portrait - ) and keep thinking back to how the camera focusses in on Eames when 13 year old Emily comes in and tells them they can't talk to Joyce.
its unexpected aria is the most shook-up i can remember Goren getting (aside from 'blind spot') all sweaty-faced and shaking hands. he didn't get this upset facing down the dude in 'phantom'. and in spite of everything (in case we have forgotten, she likely still has stiches in her head, and was just at Olivet's, and still has three sessions left, and ...), Eames just keeps taking care of ... ("go see your mom" and "Are you okay?" his unspoken response could be "Am I okay? You've got to be effing kidding me, Eames." as much as it could be "No.")

you folks are awfully nice to a long-winded unicorn. i'm not sure if i have insights, or if i'm utterly mad. but, it's nice to be over here, and not seeing all my mad theories kicked to the ground ... THANKS, shippers. i was reading this thread from the beginning, and i'm guessing there was quite the war here in the harbour - the majority anti-romos blowing the shippers out of the water at every turn. i'm glad that's in the past!
tigger:


this is a very good point, tigger. the 'terminal' part may have been the surprising news. my take has always been that he was trying not to burden Eames b/c (everything that happened in 'blind spot'). i figured, in true Goren style, he has internalized the blame for everything. and, he knows her, and her tendency to 'take care of', and she hasn't even finished her sessions with Olivet yet.
tigger:

scarletb.
you say i have insights.
scarletbegonia - your 'purgatory' point - i think it deserves another place on the 'tells' thread. it's doubleshippy.

(grumm ... too many words again. gotta look for some decor. lol)

~MOARK~ (meaning to yell)
YOU ROCK!
WE LOVE YOU!

If Eames didn't have that necklace in 'Blind Spot' and just started to wear it in 'Siren Call', it actually might be a gift from Bobby. If she isn't wearing it in the start of 'Betrayed', I'll think it's even more probable that he gave it to her ...
And the end scene, where Eames asks him if he's alright, I think he sightly shook his head... And I always interpreted the way he looked at her before doing that head gesture as 'what do you think?'

Purgatory-- Well, I don't mean to spoil the fun but Bobby just simply screwed up in 'Purgatory' (imo). I think he was just thinking of getting his badge back. Like he said it in 'Amends' "after a lost people screw up"... I know the word lost was a reference to a human lost but it can apply here too.
He wasn't really thinking straight. All he saw was an opportunity to get reinstated and he didn't want to risk losing it. Like Bobby told Eames "I was in a deep hole here"
He was just giving lame excuses by saying "I was trying to protect you" or "They were rules". He was trying to get her to forgive him.

On the other hand, Goren had no idea that she'd get THAT upset. Look, when Eames finds out, he couldn't say a word. He was surprised by her reaction. I always found that scene funny, cute and sad... If he knew that would hurt her so much, I believe he wouldn't dare hide that from her.

As for his in a hurry mood when Eames met him at that diner place, I don't know exactly what to think of it. Maybe he just wanted to leave that awkward situation asap. Or he didn't want her to read him or he didn't trust himself: he could of blurted out the truth...

I believe 'Purgatory' opened Bobby's eyes on some things (I think a writer actually said something like that...)

I always thought he scurried away in a hurry after she mentioned that she "caught" the same case that he was under cover working on. He just wanted to keep her at a distance from what he was doing becasue he knew how dangerous it was for him and how bad it would be for her if she got an inkling that he was secretly working on the case from the inside.

Also, just a random thought. I wonder, if Bobby and Alex are ever at eachother's house watching tv....how close do they sit next to eachother on the couch. Just wondering............

OK--DING! that makes a lot of sense. I also thought the very last scene was weird, but someone let me know if they got this impression also.

They both come back to their desks after Eames' volcanic rant, and then Bobby gets his shield and gun and just seems like "doo dee doo dee doo dee doo"--smiling because he gets his job back, almost like he STILL doesn't "get it" that Eames is that mad, even after what just happened 47 seconds ago. He says something like "See you in the morning?" and she leaves immediately in a huff.

Did I see that right? Is Brain Man that clueless? Makes your theory, bogoalezea, that Bobby had this single-minded blinders thing going on more convincing.

Poor Alex. If he can really be that dense, what else does she have to do--stick a piece of paper in his binder that says "BUY ALEX FLOWERS" on Valentine's Day? Please some tell me I'm wrong!

~moark~, I know you're getting sick of me asking, but can you make a vid of that last scene? You are definitely the best at that. This translates into "tigger doesn't know how to do it". And I write even more than uni, so I like to see pretty picures.


A confirmation cross? Really???? At first thought, that didn't make any sense to me. First of all, you get it when you make your confirmation (duh)--the time when you affirm for yourself that you're going to remain Christian into adulthood. Your parents vouch for your Catholicism at your Baptism; you speak for yourself at Confirmation. You get a gift from your "sponsor"--some other already-confirmed Catholic who is supposed to model Catholicism for you. You make your confirmation when you're like 12, 13, or 14 years old. In and of itself, it would be odd for a seemingly non-religious woman to be wearing a present usually given to an adolescent girl. WTF?????

Unless someone meant that it's a necklace with a cross and a dove symbol on it like this:


You associate a dove with Confirmation. It's the symbol of the Holy Spirit. When Jesus ascended to heaven, the disciples freaked out because they were going to be left alone without him. So Jesus told them he would send the Holy Spirit (also part of the Trinity, so also God--just trust me on that explanation) to protect the disciples and give them gifts of wisdom, courage, strength, good judgement, etc. as they go out into the world. The Holy Spirit is with you always--He's like, well, your "protector" here on earth--I guess that's the best way to put it. Confirmation is the celebration of you receiving the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Is it a cross with a dove? Then it's from Bobby after Blind Spot. OK, to cover all bases--it could be from someone in her family, like her sister, if they have a Catholic, or maybe Anglican background, which they could if they're Irish. But given the symbolism and altar boy thing, my money's on Bobby.

Anybody got a picture of Alex's necklace?

I love to compare insights with you bogoalexea

Now all Goren fans, please don't be angry for what I'm about to say, and be forewarned it's a little sexist.
I do agree that Goren was rather clueless in reference to Eames in Purgatory. I also think he became pretty selfish whilst wallowing in his own personal garbage. His uber self involvement was rather unfair to the woman who has always "covered his ass". The shippy part of Bobby's plan IMO, was his desparation to get his shield back. While I know that wasn't all about Eames, I feel like a big part of it was. She is all he really has, that and the job, sort of one in the same.

I gage things by the look on Bobby's face outside of the interrogation room, right before Ross leaves and Alex rips him. He keeps trying to catch eyes with her. He can tell she's angry and he knows he messed up. They remind me of two lovers about to have a lovers quarrel. Even Ross senses it. I'm not sure he's surprised by how upset she was, but more by her choice of words(water carrier etc...). I do think there is some male clueless-ness going on with Goren, but I still stand by my feelings that Goren knew he was doing wrong by hiding things from her. Hence his demeanor in the diner scene. The whole protecting thing..... Well after reading bogoalexea's thoughts I'm still on the fence about it. I'm not even sure what Bobby was really protecting Alex from other than the whole undercover operation blowing up in his face (which it almost did).

I actually think that Bobby totally got how angry Eames was at the end of Purgatory. I think his "everything is hunky-dorey" attitude at the end was to think that "if I just go back to acting like nothing is wrong, maybe we can pretend nothing happened." I don't think he had any clue how to fix the problem w/out arguing some more w/ her and possibly losing her altogether. I guess he figured that, since she wasn't yelling, anymore, he should just act normal and everything would be fine.

Good point there ....



I loved it how Ross looked at both of them and when his phone rang he left the room
Bobby couldn't take his eyes off her. When he was getting into the room he looked to see if she was there *awww*!!!
In the interrogation room, I think Goren is surprised at both her words and anger. As for when she just learned about he's undercover op, he really didn't get her anger to the point that he couldn't say a word! Ross did all the talking there!

As for Bobby's demeanor in the diner scene, he was hiding something. I mean once you're hiding something from someone (especially something big) and you think the person really shouldn't find out, well your attitude can be like Bobby's....

I believe that 'see you in the morning?' sentence of his was Bobby again trying to get Eames to forget what happened (or to forgive him), you know? He saw how Eames looked at him while he was walking into the room. You saw how shy he was when saying that, playing with the files on his desk: cute!
It was another lame attempt. When she was leaving, he was about to add something but changed his mind...

Yup... Well, put! I agree with that

I agree as well. Probably a defense mechanism he picked up in dealing with his mother.

I love the character of Goren, don't get me wrong, but he owed Alex big time, after Purgatory. Shipping aside, the fact that she could have blown him away plus being the widow of a dead cop equals a pretty PO'd Eames and rightly so.

That whole scene is just so shippy to me. Whether you believe G/E have been a secret couple all along. Or whether you think they still haven't crossed the line. Purgatory was one of those "window of opportunity" episodes, at least IMO. Where if they hadn't yet, they certainly could have after. I'm rambling now.... I'll stop.

Thanks.......? What did I do this time?


I think Eames was mad because he put his life in danger, as ciaddict quoted somebody close to her: "I'm not sure wheither to hug you or paddle your butt!" She was just concerned I think.


You mean an animated image, or like the put the scene on youtube? I can do both.

Yes, I believe you're right she was concerned. Her first words in the interrogation room were "I could of blown your head off back there"... She lost her husband in an undercover op. And she was just about to lose her Bobby but this time it would be with her hands
And when Eames is about to leave the room, she says "If it wasn't me you'd be dead!"
Well, we saw her face when her gun was pointed on him. I'll never forget it!!!

SHIP!!!

I believe her rage was a mixture of fear and anger... IDK, I mean, she keeps bringing up arguments about him almost dying and him betraying her. However I do believe that Bobby not telling her about it was a HUGE part of her anger.

Tell me if this works

~moark~