NatnAdge
Apr 17 2008, 08:06 PM
Natilie/Randy moments, Natilie/Monk moments, Sharona/Monk, Sharona/Ambrose, etc.
All your favorite moments that have turned you to the shippers side, that have sent you to the Monk boards posting about how Ambrose and Linda would be such a cute couple, that have got you watching week after week hoping for a cheek-peck or an exchanged look. What you hope to see, what you think you'll see, and the secret messages and hints you think the writers are leaving, telling you that Monk and Natilie will be together forever. The number one cause of obessive TV-watching--shippers, shipping, shipper moments and impossible but hope-to-see relationships in Monk.
Bubba_Bridges
Apr 17 2008, 08:28 PM
Hi Bubba here, I used to think Adrian and Sharona would make for a cute couple. But, I don't think Adrian will get involve with anyone to he sloves the murder of Trudy.
NataliesBuddy
Apr 17 2008, 08:39 PM
All right. One of my favorite moments of Monk and Natalie -- and Julie.
Mr. Monk and the Election
At the episodes end, Monk is traumatized by Harold's "closeness" to Dr. Kroger. Natalie and Julie lead him out of Natalie's election headquarters, both holding on to him, concerned. Pan to picture of Natalie, her husband and baby Julie...
'Nuff said.
justanothermonkfan
Apr 17 2008, 10:19 PM
I like a lot of the season 3&4 moments, like when Monk wipes the dirt off of Natalie's face with a wipe (did anyone else have a "d'aww" moment there?) when they're in the traffic jam, and when Monk goes to Vegas, and Natalie says that Mitch saved her from a gambling addiction, and then Monk says that Natalie saved him from getting addicted.
Tilly
Apr 17 2008, 11:07 PM
Best Natalie/Randy moments in no particular order:
#1: Mr. Monk Goes To the Bank: There's the obvious one, where Natalie tickles and tacklehugs Statue!Randy, but there's another. When they're locked in the vault, Natalie mentions Julie is away at camp. Randy immediately asks how she is. It implies that he's focused on her. Good thing.
#2. Wedding: "I'd be honored, if you met my family." *melt*
#3 Three Julies: the ice-cream scene. It's just very cozy. Then, later he goes out in drag to bring in the guy--something Monk or Stottlemeyer probably wouldn't do.
#4 Secret Santa: Natalie flirts with Randy and kisses him on the cheek.
#5 Bad Girlfriend: "Are you in love with me" and when Natalie takes a sip of Randy's drink
randys1girl
Apr 18 2008, 03:25 AM
I loved the scene in "On The Run II" when Natalie was "grieving" over Adrian's "death" and Randy was consoling her. Now these two would make a cute couple. They wouldn't have to be all romantic all the time. Randy could still be his crazy self, but they could have a bunch of scenes by themselves, too.
By the way, why are these called "Shipper Moments?"
Andrea
memebeck49
Apr 18 2008, 07:31 AM
Thank you, randys1girl---as I'm an older person, fairly new to fan boards, and computers in general, I have no clue what the heck shipping, a shipper, etc even is. Could someone please explain??
Thanks--
Meme
BfloGal
Apr 18 2008, 07:37 AM
QUOTE (memebeck49 @ Apr 18 2008, 08:31 AM)

Thank you, randys1girl---as I'm an older person, fairly new to fan boards, and computers in general, I have no clue what the heck shipping, a shipper, etc even is. Could someone please explain??
Thanks--
Meme
From Wikipedia...Shipping, derived from the word "relation
ship", is a general term for fans' emotional and/or intellectual involvement with the ongoing development of
romance in a work of
fiction. Though technically applicable to any such involvement, it refers chiefly to various related social dynamics observable on the
Internet, and is seldom used outside of that context.
Shipping can involve virtually any kind of relationship from the well-known and established, to the ambiguous or those undergoing development, and even to the highly improbable and the blatantly impossible. People involved in shipping (or
shippers) assert that the relationship
does exist,
will exist, or simply that they would
like it to exist.
memebeck49
Apr 18 2008, 07:45 AM
Thanks, Bflogal, for your reply. I kinda figured it was something like that, from the posts made about it. I just wanted confirmation that I wasn't completely stupid.
BTW--love your siggy. Makes me LOL out loud every time I see it.Meme
trisha1
Apr 18 2008, 07:48 AM
All the moments with Monk and Natalie have been great its hard for me to pick a favorite.
BfloGal
Apr 18 2008, 08:43 AM
QUOTE (memebeck49 @ Apr 18 2008, 08:45 AM)

Thanks, Bflogal,
BTW--love your siggy. Makes me LOL out loud every time I see it.
Meme
Thanks, the first part of it (my siggy) came from something a former pastor of mine used to say...all the time...of course I only heard him say it to me!
I added the second part to show that I've truly embraced as a lifestyle.
CrystalSmith
Apr 18 2008, 12:08 PM
That special shipper moment when Monk touched stottlemeyers knee in Employee of the Month.
When Randy was fixing Stotts jacket in Mr Monk, PI.
When Randy tried to touch Stotts Moustache in Mr Monk Gets Fired...
And the oh, so elusive milkshake drill scene between Randy and Natalie in Mr Monk is on the Run...
oh, and the hug Julie gives Monk in Mr Monk goes home again.
wow!! there are alot!
BfloGal
Apr 18 2008, 12:38 PM
QUOTE (CrystalSmith @ Apr 18 2008, 01:08 PM)

That special shipper moment when Monk touched stottlemeyers knee in Employee of the Month.
When Randy was fixing Stotts jacket in Mr Monk, PI.
When Randy tried to touch Stotts Moustache in Mr Monk Gets Fired...
And the oh, so elusive milkshake drill scene between Randy and Natalie in Mr Monk is on the Run...
oh, and the hug Julie gives Monk in Mr Monk goes home again.
wow!! there are alot!
LOL! Don't forget Monk touching Stots moustache in "Get's Drunk."
I'm an admitted Adrian/Natalie shipper, but I've been trying to look for others with an open mind:
Adrian's winks at Sharona in 'Takes His Medicine'.
Adrian looking at Sharona's picture in 'Playboy'. (And not running from the room screaming)
Randy checking out Natalie from behind, when Adrian (because of Hal) asks if she was 'hot' in 'Makes a Friend.'
I think I would have been a major Adrian/Sharona shipper if I hadn't come to the party so late. Sending them away undercover as husband and wife in 'Gets Married' was a major shipping tactic -- or at least seems like it to me.
I'll share my favorite Adrain/Natalie moments later.
Heathernoel1984
Apr 18 2008, 05:14 PM
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Apr 18 2008, 01:38 PM)

LOL! Don't forget Monk touching Stots moustache in "Get's Drunk."
I'm an admitted Adrian/Natalie shipper, but I've been trying to look for others with an open mind:
Adrian's winks at Sharona in 'Takes His Medicine'.
Adrian looking at Sharona's picture in 'Playboy'. (And not running from the room screaming)
Randy checking out Natalie from behind, when Adrian (because of Hal) asks if she was 'hot' in 'Makes a Friend.'
I think I would have been a major Adrian/Sharona shipper if I hadn't come to the party so late. Sending them away undercover as husband and wife in 'Gets Married' was a major shipping tactic -- or at least seems like it to me.
I'll share my favorite Adrain/Natalie moments later.
My personal favorite is in "class reunion" where Adrian is watching the other man (I know him as carl winslow) go back to his new wife and baby and looking all sad, and then Natalie jumps in and grabs his arm and he just simply says "thank you". I think that moment summed up a lot.
randys1girl
Apr 18 2008, 11:36 PM
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Apr 18 2008, 06:43 AM)

Thanks, the first part of it (my siggy) came from something a former pastor of mine used to say...all the time...of course I only heard him say it to me!
I added the second part to show that I've truly embraced as a lifestyle.

I love it too! It's classic!
Andrea
BfloGal
Apr 19 2008, 01:25 PM
Many of my favorite Monk/Natalie 'shipper' moments have already been named.
Red Herring: When Natalie tells Julie she can only think of one other man who would have saved the fish -- Mitch.
Election: The showing of the pictures of Mitch, Natalie, and Julie against the backdrop of Monk, Natalie and Julie.
Another favorite from Election was Monk and Natalie sitting on the edge of her tub. (Okay, I'm strange. But I've never spent any serious bathroom time with any guy who I was not seriously acquainted with)
Secret Santa: The kiss on the cheek.
Makes a Friend: The "hugging the little boy" hug.
On the Run: The pass-stealing hug, the kissage, and the fact that Natalie left everything to run after him. Her genuine grief and concern were telling too.
You know, I think it's interesting that most of the favorite Monk/Natalie shipper moments are from early Natalie eppy's. The writers of Monk are talented mystery writers. Mystery writers bury clues early in their story. And I know many of these things can also exist in friendship, and I think that is what they have
at the moment.
A lot of people ship. Smart writers understand that, and will try to create the impression, at least, that these relationships are possible. They sometimes are not developed until they want to revive flagging ratings - which is not where Monk is right now, or at the perceived end of the series - which is where I hope Monk is not right now.
One thing I have noticed is that they have had people accidentally think of Monk and Natalie as husband and wife (as in Hospital). While this can happen accidentally in real life, nothing is accidental in a script. A writer put that in there for a purpose. Hmmmm. Why would they put that in there?
Come to think of it...
Why didn't Monk steal Stot's pass, or Dishers? He stole Disher's gun in the past.
Why did Natalie have a wipe ready before the 'kissage'? I think it was so that we couldn't see Monk's reaction. They wanted us guessing and talking about it.
Why did we find out about the kissage so early? They wanted us to know.
There are a lot of people out there with a romantic streak. Shippers are viewers, and I think the writers and producers of Monk, like almost every show on the air, has been courting them (us). Not as blatantly as some shows, but...
So whatever their intentions as to any possible future relationships, they want us to think about it. And it is working.
Now, don't you feel manipulated? I do. And I'm enjoying every minute of it.
CrystalSmith
Apr 19 2008, 02:17 PM
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Apr 19 2008, 01:25 PM)

Many of my favorite Monk/Natalie 'shipper' moments have already been named.
Red Herring: When Natalie tells Julie she can only think of one other man who would have saved the fish -- Mitch.
Election: The showing of the pictures of Mitch, Natalie, and Julie against the backdrop of Monk, Natalie and Julie.
Another favorite from Election was Monk and Natalie sitting on the edge of her tub. (Okay, I'm strange. But I've never spent any serious bathroom time with any guy who I was not seriously acquainted with)
Secret Santa: The kiss on the cheek.
Makes a Friend: The "hugging the little boy" hug.
On the Run: The pass-stealing hug, the kissage, and the fact that Natalie left everything to run after him. Her genuine grief and concern were telling too.
You know, I think it's interesting that most of the favorite Monk/Natalie shipper moments are from early Natalie eppy's. The writers of Monk are talented mystery writers. Mystery writers bury clues early in their story. And I know many of these things can also exist in friendship, and I think that is what they have
at the moment.
A lot of people ship. Smart writers understand that, and will try to create the impression, at least, that these relationships are possible. They sometimes are not developed until they want to revive flagging ratings - which is not where Monk is right now, or at the perceived end of the series - which is where I hope Monk is not right now.
One thing I have noticed is that they have had people accidentally think of Monk and Natalie as husband and wife (as in Hospital). While this can happen accidentally in real life, nothing is accidental in a script. A writer put that in there for a purpose. Hmmmm. Why would they put that in there?
Come to think of it...
Why didn't Monk steal Stot's pass, or Dishers? He stole Disher's gun in the past.
Why did Natalie have a wipe ready before the 'kissage'? I think it was so that we couldn't see Monk's reaction. They wanted us guessing and talking about it.
Why did we find out about the kissage so early? They wanted us to know.
There are a lot of people out there with a romantic streak. Shippers are viewers, and I think the writers and producers of Monk, like almost every show on the air, has been courting them (us). Not as blatantly as some shows, but...
So whatever their intentions as to any possible future relationships, they want us to think about it. And it is working.
Now, don't you feel manipulated? I do. And I'm enjoying every minute of it.

The non-shipper viewpoint is:
Mitch - Fish = Mr Monk is a great guy, not that she felt about Mr Monk the same way she felt about Mitch.
Secret Santa = she kissed Randy on the cheek as well, and that didn't seem shipper.
Makes a friend: Kevin also hugged Monk, was that shipper? OMG a three-dome!!!! In Monk?
On the Run: He didn't take the badge from Randy or Stotts, becasue he would have to give them a big hug to do it. And that would have looked weird to the story. Here Randy - big hug - forehead touch to distract - steal badge. She dropped everything to meet him because that's what a close friend or family would do. If I thougth one of my best friends was dead and discovered they were alive I would certainly want to meet them right away. Heck, only a good friend of mine met me at the train when I returned to my hometown for a 10 day vacation. That certainly doesn't mean that we're in a reationship or that she's in love with me, does it?
I don't see someone mistaking two people sitting together (who came together) as husband and wife. Especially if someone was taking care of the other person. They certainly wouldn't say, oh and is this your assistant? Of course not. That'd be ridiculous. And the fact that Natalie wanted to ditch Monk immediatly for a date with another man was indicative of them being non-shipped. (She was guilted into coming back but look at the people that made her feel guilty. A family with a old guy and a nurse with her patient. Not a husband and wife or boyfriend and girlfriend spending time together.)
And we found out about the kissage so early because they wanted us to know so we would want to watch the show (it's media manipulation, not their announcement of a ship.) They also were very adamant that it was only kissage, becasue they couldn't think of another word for pecks on the cheek...maybe they didn't want the shippers to put up a stink like after the "Get's Married" ep. Remember that...when the shippers were crying Monk/Sharona 4ever?
scaredandhemorrhaging
Apr 19 2008, 02:29 PM
QUOTE (justanothermonkfan @ Apr 17 2008, 11:19 PM)

I like a lot of the season 3&4 moments, like when Monk wipes the dirt off of Natalie's face with a wipe (did anyone else have a "d'aww" moment there?) when they're in the traffic jam, and when Monk goes to Vegas, and Natalie says that Mitch saved her from a gambling addiction, and then Monk says that Natalie saved him from getting addicted.
I know--I loved both those moments! When he wiped the dirt of her face, it was so cute, I was positively hoping they'd kiss right there. And at the casino--it's like a promise from the writers that Monk and Natilie are going to get together.
scaredandhemorrhaging
Apr 19 2008, 02:34 PM
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Apr 18 2008, 01:38 PM)

LOL! Don't forget Monk touching Stots moustache in "Get's Drunk."
I'm an admitted Adrian/Natalie shipper, but I've been trying to look for others with an open mind:
Adrian's winks at Sharona in 'Takes His Medicine'.
Adrian looking at Sharona's picture in 'Playboy'. (And not running from the room screaming)
Randy checking out Natalie from behind, when Adrian (because of Hal) asks if she was 'hot' in 'Makes a Friend.'
I think I would have been a major Adrian/Sharona shipper if I hadn't come to the party so late. Sending them away undercover as husband and wife in 'Gets Married' was a major shipping tactic -- or at least seems like it to me.
I'll share my favorite Adrain/Natalie moments later.
I'm an Adrian Natilie shipper, too. But, then again, I was kind of a Sharona/Monk shipper as well. I really loved those moments. Mr. Monk gets Drunk is by far my fav.
scaredandhemorrhaging
Apr 19 2008, 02:35 PM
QUOTE (Heathernoel1984 @ Apr 18 2008, 06:14 PM)

My personal favorite is in "class reunion" where Adrian is watching the other man (I know him as carl winslow) go back to his new wife and baby and looking all sad, and then Natalie jumps in and grabs his arm and he just simply says "thank you". I think that moment summed up a lot.
It's one of those moments that ensures their relationship--whether it be romantic or otherwise, they have a very close relathionship I love.
scaredandhemorrhaging
Apr 19 2008, 02:48 PM
The non-shipper viewpoint is:
Mitch - Fish = Mr Monk is a great guy, not that she felt about Mr Monk the same way she felt about Mitch.
Secret Santa = she kissed Randy on the cheek as well, and that didn't seem shipper.
Makes a friend: Kevin also hugged Monk, was that shipper? OMG a three-dome!!!! In Monk?
Kevin didn't hug him, he kneeled by him. And he did that after Natilie hugged him. No one is calling it a romantic shipper moment (though I'm pretty sure that's what shipper means, or at least it's been widely used like that.)
On the Run: He didn't take the badge from Randy or Stotts, becasue he would have to give them a big hug to do it. And that would have looked weird to the story. Here Randy - big hug - forehead touch to distract - steal badge. She dropped everything to meet him because that's what a close friend or family would do. If I thougth one of my best friends was dead and discovered they were alive I would certainly want to meet them right away. Heck, only a good friend of mine met me at the train when I returned to my hometown for a 10 day vacation. That certainly doesn't mean that we're in a reationship or that she's in love with me, does it?
But I honestly don't think the writers would have put that in if it wasn't going to mean or indicate something. And Randy didn't do that. I really think it is too much of a coincidence that they put all this on Natilie and just have each one written off with explinations which really aren't that good at all.
I don't see someone mistaking two people sitting together (who came together) as husband and wife. Especially if someone was taking care of the other person. They certainly wouldn't say, oh and is this your assistant? Of course not. That'd be ridiculous. And the fact that Natalie wanted to ditch Monk immediatly for a date with another man was indicative of them being non-shipped. (She was guilted into coming back but look at the people that made her feel guilty. A family with a old guy and a nurse with her patient. Not a husband and wife or boyfriend and girlfriend spending time together.)
She went back! And Monk is hard to work with, she needed a day off. And even with the day off, and this guy being important to her, she went back. It doesn't matter she left, because what is important is that she left a guy who she really liked and was dating to go take care of Monk even when he was being taken care of perfectly well.
And we found out about the kissage so early because they wanted us to know so we would want to watch the show (it's media manipulation, not their announcement of a ship.) They also were very adamant that it was only kissage, becasue they couldn't think of another word for pecks on the cheek...maybe they didn't want the shippers to put up a stink like after the "Get's Married" ep. Remember that...when the shippers were crying Monk/Sharona 4ever?
CrystalSmith
Apr 19 2008, 03:30 PM
"Kevin didn't hug him, he kneeled by him. And he did that after Natilie hugged him. No one is calling it a romantic shipper moment (though I'm pretty sure that's what shipper means, or at least it's been widely used like that.)"
So, that's just comfort, right? Not shipper. Kevin and Nat comforted him because Mr Monk was sad.
"But I honestly don't think the writers would have put that in if it wasn't going to mean or indicate something. And Randy didn't do that. I really think it is too much of a coincidence that they put all this on Natilie and just have each one written off with explinations which really aren't that good at all. "
They put it in because he was using his smarty's to get out of a perilous situation. They also had Randy make up a song to grieve Monk's passing but that wasn't because Randy is shipping for Monk (although the slashers could, certainly say they 'saw' it as a shipper moment. I mean, Randy even wiped his eyes which were filling with tears when he heard, to his hearts delight, that Monk was alive. And when Randy did know (I don't remember the pacing of the show) that Monk was alive - he was off to try and meet him as soon as he and the Cap could get there - and why you say that the obvious explaination of the story is not good at all. That is the text of the story. It's the shippers who add their wants into it so that they can see what they want.
She went back! And Monk is hard to work with, she needed a day off. And even with the day off, and this guy being important to her, she went back. It doesn't matter she left, because what is important is that she left a guy who she really liked and was dating to go take care of Monk even when he was being taken care of perfectly well.
She went back because her needy boss needed her, not because she was feeling pangs of desire for her boss. The saw the old, enfeebled patrons at the resteraunt as a mirror to show that Monk needed her. It wasn't because she was in love with him and wanted to be by his side, but because he was needy. The guy she was with would prolly dump her becasue of that.
As I said elsewhere -shippers see what they want to see. That's why there are so many Monk slash sites, because people see Monk/Stotts, Monk/Disher and Monk/Kroger slash in the same episodes that you see Monk/Nat ships. It's not canon, though. (You don't see any ship in Goldbergs books, and those are supposed to be Natalie's own thought. If there was supposed to be a ship, then Natalie would be written that way, directed by the producers of Monk.
BfloGal
Apr 19 2008, 03:53 PM
QUOTE (CrystalSmith @ Apr 19 2008, 04:30 PM)

(You don't see any ship in Goldbergs books, and those are supposed to be Natalie's own thought. If there was supposed to be a ship, then Natalie would be written that way, directed by the producers of Monk.
Really?
I think it is funny. I remembered reading an article (an interview with Goldberg) where he adamantly stated that there would be no Monk/Natalie relationship. And what does he do in the very first book?
Then in the second book he sends them to Hawaii together. Ummm. If that's not sending mixed signals, I don't know what is.
The key to succesful shipping is not to disclose what you are going to do. That is the point of being purposefully vague. It's a tease.
But I found "Outer Space" to be the shippiest of all. Especially when
Now we can argue that that can mean many different things. I think we've already determined that shippers (and non-shippers) see what they want to see. But it was actually much more than my little shipper heart expected to read. I had to read it several times before I was convinced that Goldberg had actually written that. I really want that next book now -- and isn't that the purpose of shipping anyway?
Is Goldberg shipping now too? I don't know. But I'm sure he's playing the game.
Of course, as a Monk/Natalie shipper, when I read the books, I really feel that Natalie needs to
Is it July yet? They make us wait for the series and the book at the same time.

The book would be really nice right now to help bide the time.
CrystalSmith
Apr 19 2008, 04:04 PM
Okay, so Goldberg says "no ship" and yet shippers FIND ship in the book. That means that they are looking for someting that isn't even there.
Monk was moved into her house because he had termites or something. That's just being a friend.
Dreaming about Clooney and waking up to Monk isn't ship. That's just cruel.
"Needing Monk", in what way? Needing him for a friend or as a lover? I think she meant she need to have him as a friend ( and definatly needed the job, no?)
The fact that she has a lover already, who is a firefighter says to anyone who can read w/out their shippy agenda, that there isn't supposed to be a Monk/Nat ship. And the fact that their is hope that Nat will leave a relationship so that you can be happy in this fantasty relationship, proves to me that this "ship" is truely in the mind.
BfloGal
Apr 19 2008, 04:24 PM
QUOTE (CrystalSmith @ Apr 19 2008, 05:04 PM)

And the fact that their is hope that Nat will leave a relationship so that you can be happy in this fantasty relationship, proves to me that this "ship" is truely in the mind.
Oh yes, I agree it is a fantasy. That's the nature of a ship -- and people can see the same thing and have different fantasies, and that is OK in my book. My point was that writers, some who have no intention of developing a relationship, or at least say that they have no intention, can place things in their work that deliberately (or accidentally) encourage these fantasies. Why? Ship happens. They know it. And it sells.
What are they going to do on the show? I don't know. Tony Shalhoub was so deliberately vague in his answer that I think he might have a future in politics (after Monk is over -- which I hope is never).
But the various shipper groups will feed on anything they can get. It's the nature of a fantasy -- and I just don't see where that is a bad thing. Monk is a TV show - it's primarily entertainment. And I find speculating, particularly on the Adrian/Natalie relationship potential, highly entertaining.
Tilly
Apr 19 2008, 09:02 PM
QUOTE (CrystalSmith @ Apr 19 2008, 03:30 PM)

As I said elsewhere -shippers see what they want to see. That's why there are so many Monk slash sites, because people see Monk/Stotts, Monk/Disher and Monk/Kroger slash in the same episodes that you see Monk/Nat ships. It's not canon, though. (You don't see any ship in Goldbergs books, and those are supposed to be Natalie's own thought. If there was supposed to be a ship, then Natalie would be written that way, directed by the producers of Monk.
Hold the phone! There are
many slash sites
? I only know of one. The authors do some really, really nice work. It's fine by me that it's the least likely to become Canon, but it's so fun to read too much into certain scenes. "Very Old Man" caused me to sit perfectly still with my jaw scraping the floor for a good few minutes. Specifically the few minutes where Monk and Stottlemeyer were sitting on the bed, watching Trudy's movie. Sure, their shoes were on, but it looked so...cozy.
NataliesBuddy
Apr 20 2008, 08:30 PM
All right. I watched the NBC Monk -- Mr. Monk Bumps His Head -- and it may not be my favorite shipper moment, but it answers all the questions. Nothing more can be said. It is revealed.
Scene: Monk, suffering memory loss, sees Natalie, Stottlemeyer and Disher for the first time. He points at Natalie and says I work with you. He then offhandedly mentions he works with Stottlemeyer and Disher, too, but is focused on Natalie. She mentions his wife Trudy. He response you're Natalie.
There you go.
And to put a stamp on it...
Scene: Monk, talking with the Sheriff, shakes his hand and Natalie hands him a wipe. His response, looking adoring into her eyes, I missed you.
What more need be said.
CrystalSmith
Apr 21 2008, 12:25 PM
I do recall that she said Trudy and he said 'you're natalie', but it was because he was remembering who they were. He remembered the Captain as well, and maybe even Randy (Though I don't think he said his name).
Monk can't have said he missed Natalie because he did, as a friend, miss her. He was regaining his memories of the people he had known before. May have been overwhelmed.

Uh, no, that cannot be explained any other way except that Monk and Natalie are truely in love with each other and have eyes for no one else but each other, and are secretly getting it on when they are off camera....
QUOTE (NataliesBuddy @ Apr 20 2008, 08:30 PM)

All right. I watched the NBC Monk -- Mr. Monk Bumps His Head -- and it may not be my favorite shipper moment, but it answers all the questions. Nothing more can be said. It is revealed.
Scene: Monk, suffering memory loss, sees Natalie, Stottlemeyer and Disher for the first time. He points at Natalie and says I work with you. He then offhandedly mentions he works with Stottlemeyer and Disher, too, but is focused on Natalie. She mentions his wife Trudy. He response you're Natalie.
There you go.
And to put a stamp on it...
Scene: Monk, talking with the Sheriff, shakes his hand and Natalie hands him a wipe. His response, looking adoring into her eyes, I missed you.
What more need be said.

CrystalSmith
Apr 21 2008, 01:06 PM
some Nat/Monk shipper fic....by ann peek
Natalie and Monk arrived at the crime scene. Monk asked for a wipe and Natalie handed it to him. "Thanks." Monk said as he handed the 'soiled' wipe back to Natalie who put it in her purse.
Later that day Natalie and Monk are at his apartment, not because she's still on the clock but because they are sooo in love. Natalie makes him a sandwich and cuts it into quarters not because it's her job but because they are so in love. As they are eating their sandwich, Monk forcefully wipes some mustard off of Nats face, not because he's got OCD and can't stand it, but because they are so in love.
When Natalie leaves she says, Goodnight Mr Monk, not because it's her job and they are friends but because they are sooooo in love.
When Natalie dreams that night she dreams that Monk will show the raw animal emotion that he feels for her and will 'take her' at work some time, and when Monk lies down to bed he dreams that Trudy is tellng him to take her at work the next day...yeah. Right at the crime scene. Because it's dirty anyway.
That's it folks, the raw emotion of it all.
NataliesBuddy
Apr 21 2008, 02:00 PM
QUOTE (CrystalSmith @ Apr 21 2008, 12:25 PM)


Uh, no, that cannot be explained any other way except that Monk and Natalie are truely in love with each other and have eyes for no one else but each other, and are secretly getting it on when they are off camera....


...

Hey, wait a minute. I was with you about Monk and Natalie 'til the getting it on part.
C'mon, CrystalSmith. You know Natalie is too pure for that.
NataliesBuddy
Apr 21 2008, 02:02 PM
QUOTE (CrystalSmith @ Apr 21 2008, 01:06 PM)

some Nat/Monk shipper fic....by ann peek
Natalie and Monk arrived at the crime scene. Monk asked for a wipe and Natalie handed it to him. "Thanks." Monk said as he handed the 'soiled' wipe back to Natalie who put it in her purse.
Later that day Natalie and Monk are at his apartment, not because she's still on the clock but because they are sooo in love. Natalie makes him a sandwich and cuts it into quarters not because it's her job but because they are so in love. As they are eating their sandwich, Monk forcefully wipes some mustard off of Nats face, not because he's got OCD and can't stand it, but because they are so in love.
When Natalie leaves she says, Goodnight Mr Monk, not because it's her job and they are friends but because they are sooooo in love.
When Natalie dreams that night she dreams that Monk will show the raw animal emotion that he feels for her and will 'take her' at work some time, and when Monk lies down to bed he dreams that Trudy is tellng him to take her at work the next day...yeah. Right at the crime scene. Because it's dirty anyway.
That's it folks, the raw emotion of it all.

Wow.
CrystalSmith
Apr 21 2008, 02:02 PM
Uh, Natalie made out with the leper on their first date (and I don't mean a dozen pecks on the cheek for a friend) and she's sleeping w/ a fireman in the books. This woman ain't pure by any defintiion of the word.
QUOTE (NataliesBuddy @ Apr 21 2008, 02:00 PM)


...

Hey, wait a minute. I was with you about Monk and Natalie 'til the getting it on part.
C'mon, CrystalSmith. You know Natalie is too pure for that.

NataliesBuddy
Apr 21 2008, 02:15 PM
QUOTE (CrystalSmith @ Apr 21 2008, 02:02 PM)

Uh, Natalie made out with the leper on their first date (and I don't mean a dozen pecks on the cheek for a friend) and she's sleeping w/ a fireman in the books. This woman ain't pure by any defintiion of the word.

Kissing isn't "getting it on" in my eye. Though it was a funny story device to show Natalie's reaction to dealing with a leper after ragging Monk about his.
I've only read three of the books and she dated a fireman in the first book. Dated. That's all. Whether it happens in later books... La la la laaaa...! No spoilers, please.
CrystalSmith
Apr 21 2008, 02:21 PM
I never said Kissing was getting it on. I said that Natalie wasn't pure.
And Monk and Nat will NEVER get it on. Never.
QUOTE (NataliesBuddy @ Apr 21 2008, 02:15 PM)

Kissing isn't "getting it on" in my eye. Though it was a funny story device to show Natalie's reaction to dealing with a leper after ragging Monk about his.
I've only read three of the books and she dated a fireman in the first book. Dated. That's all. Whether it happens in later books... La la la laaaa...! No spoilers, please.

scaredandhemorrhaging
Apr 21 2008, 03:05 PM
So, that's just comfort, right? Not shipper. Kevin and Nat comforted him because Mr Monk was sad.
Yes, exactly.
They put it in because he was using his smarty's to get out of a perilous situation. They also had Randy make up a song to grieve Monk's passing but that wasn't because Randy is shipping for Monk (although the slashers could, certainly say they 'saw' it as a shipper moment. I mean, Randy even wiped his eyes which were filling with tears when he heard, to his hearts delight, that Monk was alive. And when Randy did know (I don't remember the pacing of the show) that Monk was alive - he was off to try and meet him as soon as he and the Cap could get there - and why you say that the obvious explaination of the story is not good at all. That is the text of the story. It's the shippers who add their wants into it so that they can see what they want.
You know, we're not all crazy. Shippers are usually shippers, but some of us are realistic and accepting. Not me, just some of us. I really saw something in that scene. Maybe it was originally to get the thing-ama-bob, but did you see his face? Did you see
Natalie's face?
She went back because her needy boss needed her, not because she was feeling pangs of desire for her boss. The saw the old, enfeebled patrons at the resteraunt as a mirror to show that Monk needed her. It wasn't because she was in love with him and wanted to be by his side, but because he was needy. The guy she was with would prolly dump her becasue of that.
His neediness and the paycheck (which I must remind you is very small) is not enough to have her abandon her date for him! Think of it like a shipper for a sec: she was whilling to leave a guy she really liked romantically for Monk. Conclusion, she cares more about Monk than this guy who is apparently really important to her.
scaredandhemorrhaging
Apr 21 2008, 03:10 PM
Okay, so Goldberg says "no ship" and yet shippers FIND ship in the book. That means that they are looking for someting that isn't even there.
Monk was moved into her house because he had termites or something. That's just being a friend.
Dreaming about Clooney and waking up to Monk isn't ship. That's just cruel.
"Needing Monk", in what way? Needing him for a friend or as a lover? I think she meant she need to have him as a friend ( and definatly needed the job, no?)
Apparently you didn't read it. She said she needed him for more than the paycheck.
The fact that she has a lover already, who is a firefighter says to anyone who can read w/out their shippy agenda, that there isn't supposed to be a Monk/Nat ship. And the fact that their is hope that Nat will leave a relationship so that you can be happy in this fantasty relationship, proves to me that this "ship" is truely in the mind.
Shippers have been right before! There was a huge shipping with HP (Ron and Hermione) that I saw very heavily involved in and it ended up being totaly right. I'm good at sniffing out good shippings. You can trust me with that duty.
scaredandhemorrhaging
Apr 21 2008, 03:12 PM
QUOTE (NataliesBuddy @ Apr 20 2008, 09:30 PM)

All right. I watched the NBC Monk -- Mr. Monk Bumps His Head -- and it may not be my favorite shipper moment, but it answers all the questions. Nothing more can be said. It is revealed.
Scene: Monk, suffering memory loss, sees Natalie, Stottlemeyer and Disher for the first time. He points at Natalie and says I work with you. He then offhandedly mentions he works with Stottlemeyer and Disher, too, but is focused on Natalie. She mentions his wife Trudy. He response you're Natalie.
There you go.
And to put a stamp on it...
Scene: Monk, talking with the Sheriff, shakes his hand and Natalie hands him a wipe. His response, looking adoring into her eyes, I missed you.
What more need be said.

With that kind of evidence, how can anyone deny the deep relationship between Monk and Natilie? Or to-be relationship.
scaredandhemorrhaging
Apr 21 2008, 03:15 PM
I do recall that she said Trudy and he said 'you're natalie', but it was because he was remembering who they were. He remembered the Captain as well, and maybe even Randy (Though I don't think he said his name).
Monk can't have said he missed Natalie because he did, as a friend, miss her. He was regaining his memories of the people he had known before. May have been overwhelmed.

Uh, no, that cannot be explained any other way except that Monk and Natalie are truely in love with each other and have eyes for no one else but each other, and are secretly getting it on when they are off camera....
No one said that, just that little signs and hints like that are all over. You can't just explain it all by saying every hint of love between them is friendship. Come on--that's just lazy.
scaredandhemorrhaging
Apr 21 2008, 03:17 PM
QUOTE (CrystalSmith @ Apr 21 2008, 02:06 PM)

some Nat/Monk shipper fic....by ann peek
Natalie and Monk arrived at the crime scene. Monk asked for a wipe and Natalie handed it to him. "Thanks." Monk said as he handed the 'soiled' wipe back to Natalie who put it in her purse.
Later that day Natalie and Monk are at his apartment, not because she's still on the clock but because they are sooo in love. Natalie makes him a sandwich and cuts it into quarters not because it's her job but because they are so in love. As they are eating their sandwich, Monk forcefully wipes some mustard off of Nats face, not because he's got OCD and can't stand it, but because they are so in love.
When Natalie leaves she says, Goodnight Mr Monk, not because it's her job and they are friends but because they are sooooo in love.
When Natalie dreams that night she dreams that Monk will show the raw animal emotion that he feels for her and will 'take her' at work some time, and when Monk lies down to bed he dreams that Trudy is tellng him to take her at work the next day...yeah. Right at the crime scene. Because it's dirty anyway.
That's it folks, the raw emotion of it all.
Um, okay... that was kind of wierd, and I wouldn't be saying that if there were some point to it. You could just say you don't think they like each other, because being sarcastic and taking perfectly plotonic scenes (did that even happen) and acting like someone said it meant something doesn't prove anything.
BfloGal
Apr 21 2008, 03:33 PM
I actually thought it was more significant that Monk remembered Natalie's name out of all of 'the gang', but didn't know his own. He had to be told that.
The anti-shippers are right in that this doesn't prove anything, but it certainly points me in that direction. But then again, I don't need much of a push.
Proof will come later, and if not -- we can make it up on the way.
The joys of shipping.
Oh, Adrian/Natalie shippers, they have a picture of the two of them together on the NBC site. You can post a message underneath.
NataliesBuddy
Apr 21 2008, 03:44 PM
QUOTE (CrystalSmith @ Apr 21 2008, 02:21 PM)

I never said Kissing was getting it on. I said that Natalie wasn't pure.
And Monk and Nat will NEVER get it on. Never.
Well, I don't necessarily consider kissing on the first date... Unpure. Especially if it's a story devise used for a laugh.
Monk and Natalie may never "get it on" during the run of the show, but they're definately shipping* all the time during its run.
Maybe we need a clear definition of pure here.
* Refer my definition of "shipping"...uh, somewhere on this forum.
Kawasakifan
Apr 21 2008, 03:50 PM
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Apr 18 2008, 09:37 PM)

From Wikipedia...Shipping, derived from the word "relation
ship", is a general term for fans' emotional and/or intellectual involvement with the ongoing development of
romance in a work of
fiction. Though technically applicable to any such involvement, it refers chiefly to various related social dynamics observable on the
Internet, and is seldom used outside of that context.
Shipping can involve virtually any kind of relationship from the well-known and established, to the ambiguous or those undergoing development, and even to the highly improbable and the blatantly impossible. People involved in shipping (or
shippers) assert that the relationship
does exist,
will exist, or simply that they would
like it to exist.
If the above is the accepted definition of "Shipping" it seems to be extremely subjective to the point of being useless in determining an objectiive meaning in any action beyond what the indivdual imputes to it so if there is a scene in which Monk touches the shoulder of Julie, it would seem that any viewpoint is permissable without a need for justification other than the fact that it is the way I choose to intepret it.
BfloGal
Apr 21 2008, 04:25 PM
QUOTE (Kawasakifan @ Apr 21 2008, 04:50 PM)

If the above is the accepted definition of "Shipping" it seems to be extremely subjective to the point of being useless in determining an objectiive meaning in any action beyond what the indivdual imputes to it so if there is a scene in which Monk touches the shoulder of Julie, it would seem that any viewpoint is permissable without a need for justification other than the fact that it is the way I choose to intepret it.
Well, yes, by that definition all ships are theoretically possible, but they differ in viability, credibility, and social acceptability. But they do exist. Case in point a fan fic story about Randy and Julie that was met with widespread disdain, but was still written.
Kawasakifan
Apr 21 2008, 04:30 PM
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Apr 20 2008, 05:53 AM)

Really?
I think it is funny. I remembered reading an article (an interview with Goldberg) where he adamantly stated that there would be no Monk/Natalie relationship. And what does he do in the very first book?
Then in the second book he sends them to Hawaii together. Ummm. If that's not sending mixed signals, I don't know what is.
The key to succesful shipping is not to disclose what you are going to do. That is the point of being purposefully vague. It's a tease.
But I found "Outer Space" to be the shippiest of all. Especially when
Now we can argue that that can mean many different things. I think we've already determined that shippers (and non-shippers) see what they want to see. But it was actually much more than my little shipper heart expected to read. I had to read it several times before I was convinced that Goldberg had actually written that. I really want that next book now -- and isn't that the purpose of shipping anyway?
Is Goldberg shipping now too? I don't know. But I'm sure he's playing the game.
Of course, as a Monk/Natalie shipper, when I read the books, I really feel that Natalie needs to
Is it July yet? They make us wait for the series and the book at the same time.

The book would be really nice right now to help bide the time.
I agree that the writer is intentionally sending mixed signals in this book (and the previous one - remember how he ends the "Two Attendent" with Monk saying her job is for life) for though he ends his latest book in the manner you described, we read in an earlier passage that Natalie has changed her mind about her relationship with the fireman and will be more willing to see where it can go - which on the surface would seem to be a committment clearly contrary to the precepts of shipping - so that depending on how one views Natalie we can either attribute these features of her as simply being purposefully inconsistent which in line with the tenets of shipping would to some enhance the entertainment value of the novel and assure the sale of the next installment or for others may be distracting to the point that maybe five volumes is enough.
scaredandhemorrhaging
Apr 21 2008, 04:33 PM
QUOTE (BfloGal @ Apr 21 2008, 05:25 PM)

Well, yes, by that definition all ships are theoretically possible, but they differ in viability, credibility, and social acceptability. But they do exist. Case in point a fan fic story about Randy and Julie that was met with widespread disdain, but was still written.
Wow. You guys are getting all technical. Number one rule on my board--no big words aloud. LOL. JK--I use them all the time. Watch: antidislistablishmentareanism. Or something along those lines.
But seriously, by shipping I'm--scratch that, we're--reffering to what the writers have in store. When we say a relationship is possible, we mean likely for the writers to add in and make happen.
micheleNasser
Apr 21 2008, 05:29 PM
I was watching Monk paints his masterpiece yesterday, and I was very happy when he, hidding himself under the great painter personality, told Natalie, in a very natural way: Natalie, you are a beautiful woman! And than the russian guy said to her, when meeting her: So, she is his muse! and Monk just laughs, agreeing with it.
There were more moments, but they scape from me now.
Itīs so nice to get this clues along the show...I really like it!!
micheleNasser
Apr 21 2008, 06:06 PM
sorry posting two-in-a-row, but I just saw parts of Mr Monk is on the run and, c'mon non-shippers!!!!How can anyone after watching this eppy not think about Monk and Natalie ending up together???
NataliesBuddy
Apr 21 2008, 06:28 PM
Oh no! Monk is a two-timer...
The 4 pm episode: Mr. Monk Goes to the Carnival
Scene: Sharona is trapped on the Farris wheel with the killer. After breaking the controls, Monk leaps and grabs the wheel, ending up hanging right next to them -- Sharona!
I gasped. I was thankful no kids were in the room.
But it didn't stop there!
Scene: Monk is sitting on a park bench with one shoeless foot in the air, pleading with Sharona to give it back. And Sharona has her hand...

...inside his shoe!
Not holding it under or by the toe.
Inside the shoe.
Talk about a shipper moment!
I'm left to wonder what Natalie would think...
CrystalSmith
Apr 22 2008, 12:15 PM
QUOTE (micheleNasser @ Apr 21 2008, 05:29 PM)

I was watching Monk paints his masterpiece yesterday, and I was very happy when he, hidding himself under the great painter personality, told Natalie, in a very natural way: Natalie, you are a beautiful woman! And than the russian guy said to her, when meeting her: So, she is his muse! and Monk just laughs, agreeing with it.
There were more moments, but they scape from me now.
Itīs so nice to get this clues along the show...I really like it!!
Natalie
is a beautiful woman(don't be concerned, dear non-shippers. I am not shipping Natalie) , so Monk was basically stating a fact, and he was her muse for this painting.A muse is a source of inspiration and it was a painting of Natalie, so how could she not be his muse. Natalie, however, thought it was horrible how he painted her - and tried to burn the painting several times.)
QUOTE (micheleNasser @ Apr 21 2008, 06:06 PM)

sorry posting two-in-a-row, but I just saw parts of Mr Monk is on the run and, c'mon non-shippers!!!!How can anyone after watching this eppy not think about Monk and Natalie ending up together???
Er, because although it was a very nice story, and there were very nice moments between all of the characters, including Monk/Natalie, Natalie/Disher, Monk/Stotts, Stotts/Disher, etc, the 'ship wasn't there. All of what shippers saw in this could very logically and easily be explained as people who care about each other (see above list) showing care and comfort for a freind in distress. I could easily not see Monk/Nat together as more than good friends, because any other thought tests my gag reflex.
I'm gonna go and look for an anti-ship icon now.
Tazzy
scaredandhemorrhaging
Apr 22 2008, 12:20 PM
QUOTE (micheleNasser @ Apr 21 2008, 06:29 PM)

I was watching Monk paints his masterpiece yesterday, and I was very happy when he, hidding himself under the great painter personality, told Natalie, in a very natural way: Natalie, you are a beautiful woman! And than the russian guy said to her, when meeting her: So, she is his muse! and Monk just laughs, agreeing with it.
There were more moments, but they scape from me now.
Itīs so nice to get this clues along the show...I really like it!!
I know, I loved that moment. I was suprised that she wasn't extremely flattered to be given a compliment by Monk. I guess she was soo fixated on the painting. I would really have liked to see it. Maybe I could paint wut I expected it to be and post it. LOL.
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