I am new to this message board - I have never posted a message to any message board - but I had to sign up and do this because I am really cannot believe that the 4400 is listed in the USA web page as a "past show". I just visited the web page to see when the new season was going to start and saw all of this. . . . I signed that petition floating around the message board, but I really am shocked that the network would continue Psych and not continue the 4400 - at LEAST close out the story line - How can it just leave us without an ending? Does anyone have any information that the network has made a final decision on this? I don't get these networks at all. The 4400 is one of my favorite shows of all time - it is ridiculous to just cut it off without giving the viewers a proper ending.

First welcome onboard AHappyCat !

We share your feelings up to 4400%... This is why we are building a new operation to try to change executives mind about this very bad cancellation ! Join the movement (link) !

Pablo - Thanks - I already have my letter to Zucker and will wait to mail until the 17th. Keep up the good work. I will be checking in from time to time to see if any of this works - I really am so sad about this. It is such a great show with such a great cast and awesome story line - it is horrible to let it go. Let's all cross our fingers and see if the network cares at all. . . .Thanks again -

This is the ending the writers wanted. The story will never be "closed," even if the show went on for 10 seasons. Scott Peters, creator and executive producer, is happy with the ending. Both he and Ira posted their goodbyes on this forum.

Everyone wants to see more of The 4400, and see the story continue. The writers and the crew loved the show, and would have been happy to continue. However, expecting anything but an open ending is foolish.

One thing is true...

Alex has not been cancelled yet

May be we could ask this to Bonnie Hammer as a gift... What about a seeds campaign for that purpose

Maybe we should make alex the target of the seed campaign! Looks like it's time to bump the troll thread again.

Welcome AHappyCat: nice to have you with us. More and more people are showing up as they are learning that the show will not be returning this summer. But we are not giving up! So join the movement and keep in touch with the board.

This was my very 1st board ever too. There are lots of great people here and always willing to help. So don't be afraid to ask, any thing about navigating the board or about our movement

Check out GiantSeeds.com. They have Save the 4400 on their web site and have been very supportive of us. They are even taking orders from people Overseas. SOOO many countries are watching for this show to come back. SO if you can afford it go for it, if not don't worry your letter is great. Tell anyone you know about the show!!

Also don't worry about what Alex says, I'm sure hes a nice guy but doesn't have all the facts, kinda the voice of doom

PS: Pablo AND nonoitall very funny

I really hope that the 4400 doesn't go away. It is my favorite show and the only "current" show I watch on tv. I understand the show with never "end" but the story line has sooooo much more to do and the characters soooooo much more to accomplish. I really hope that USA decides to bring back the show, they really need it. I can't imagine that Psych or Monk really have that much better a score in the ratings to justify maintaining them, but not The 4400. I will truly miss the show if it does go, however after the last episode of season 4 I kind of had the feeling it was probably the end. It felt like they ended it at a point where the series could end or continue if they wanted to do it.

Hopefully they will decide to continue it!!!

You misspelled "reason." I have more facts than you, and I do not engage in personal attacks, unlike some. All I have done is point out the facts that are in the public record. We do not have to guess what the writers intended, because they have said so, clearly. They have even posted in this forum. Some people prefer to ignore that reality and hold on to their own fantasies. Fine, but that is no reason to attack me or anyone else.

I am very sad to see that the show is being canceled. I am currently stationed in Baghdad serving my country, and this is one of the few things I was looking forward to coming home to. I have been a huge 4400 fan from the very begining, and to see a demise like this!!! This is a complete OUTRAGE !! You can count on me sending everything that I can to help save this great show. Even the copy cat show of the "4400" , "Hero" had an oppertunity to have a finally episode. Please keep up the fight to get this show reinstated.. Just onemore thing for me to look forward to when I get home.

First of all : Welcome onboard Brodieman01 !

As a lot of people in the world, we are so disappointed by a cancellation at this stage of the story ! It could be a very strong message if you could send a letter with your feelings (even a short letter as in your message) from Baghdad to Jeff Zucker (get all information here) !

Thank you for getting involved in our movement : all 4400 fans deserve much more respect than USA Network brings now....

I think we're gaining a lot more support now that we're getting closer to summer. If we can keep everything organized we stand to make a big impression!

I'm only quoting this because I saw it in another quote and thought it was pretty cute. Has she ever cited a single source for her information? Don't forget the ignore option people!

Say it isn’t so! I love the 4400. It is my favorite TV show and I am really sad to think that it ends this way. Even my wife (who isn’t a science fiction fan) loved this show. I was always disappointed that the show was only on for the short summer season. Now to think that it won’t return at all!

So, would you like to join the movement for April 17th massive mailing ?

Alex, I'm not a writer but I could give this show a better closing than the original writers did. I could have given this show a good closing with 14 episodes. And you sound like you know the writers and crew pretty good. If so, could you ask them why they were so foolish in thinking that I would not say anything about their poor follow through. And make sure you remind them that I have not watched the USA Network one time since hearing the show had been cancelled. All they have now is rerun-junk. Even if they brought the show back I wouldn't watch the show and would simply wait for the dvd for that season. Let the boycott's begin!

Go ahead, write a better ending.



No, I sound like I know how to read and listen to what the writers have been saying for years.



A boycott would not work for the same reason the show was cancelled: There are not enough people to make a difference.

Besides, TV networks do not base their decisions on empty threats.

If you had any power, you would have gotten more viewers. That is the only thing that keeps a show on the air. The rest is noise.

Come on alex, if you keep posting the same message over and over I'll have to report it as spam!

You have a very interesting (if unoriginal) way of "ignoring" me. You keep begging for my attention.

why are you so cranky?

The 4400 was cancelled. You?

I don't have a clue what he actually said, but somehow the psuedo-response generated for ignored users seemed like a valid response to your question, volleybabe256.

Finally, we agree on something.

Funny, Is it just me or did alex say he wasn't here for "personal attacks" on people??

I think Alex is a kind of "puppet master" (those who have see "Ghost In The Shell" should easily understand ) : a virtual creature who emerged from the whole knowledge in Internet ! He is not real...


Use the magic button "Ignore" and don't feed the troll

Everytime I see the message "You have chosen to ignore all posts from: alex20020712." a weird music sounds in my mind (remember the "Who let the dogs out" song ?) : Who let Alex out ?

Just joking of course... I just wonder why spending so much time trying to break fans efforts... Do you want to focus attention on you as a bad guy ? Anyway, it's funny to see you have not left the forum yet : may besomething still keep you interest here...

Without you, things could be too boring For this and everything else I must thank you Alex !

Care to explain how I can "break" anything, simply by pointing out facts? That is reality "breaking" delusions, not I. I am simply commenting on it. No need to do anything.

First I find out CBS cancels Jericho...again. Now, USA cancels 4400? How do retarded, brain dead, villiage idiots get to a position to cancel a good show, then keep the crappy ones? Both shows had an intelligent writing style, as well as plenty of sub plots. But, to have sub plots, you need characters, which need to be paid, which means a big budget. This kills the good shows with more than 5 or so main characters. Just think, would an all time classic show like MASH go 10 plus seasons in today's world? Fortunately, Burn Notice doesn't fit into the big cast category and gets to come back, which means I will continue to watch USA Network...unlike CBS.

Networks have the habit of doing this - they did the same with INVASION. At least with FarScape, they gave us a miniseries and are preparing a Webcaste series

Your right, you do just point out facts and comment on it, but after so much time pointing out and then commenting on those facts, to the same folks again and again, don't you think if they were going to listen to you, they would have already done so? They may not be living in "Reality" but they seem content where they are, so why not just let them stay that way? What harm does it do you?

No. I think new people come here all the time. As for certain other people, what is the point of claiming they are "ignoring" me, if they keep replying to everything I post? How pathetic is that?

Personally, I don't mind listening to someone who has an opposing view, but alex takes it upon himself to declare his opinion as fact and acts as though everyone who does not agree is beneath contempt. It really is kind of sad, but Pablo is right - he's helping keep the forums active, so his trolling doesn't bother me like it used to. (That, and I never see what he says anymore.)

Only one day 'til the next letter/seed campaign! Let's get noticed! Even if our campaign doesn't change the minds of the fellows over at NBC, it gets us some much-needed publicity!

What the writers have said is a matter of public record, not "my opinion." The fact they are satisfied with the series finale is a matter of public record, not "my opinion." Anyone who is not able to differentiate those facts from an opinion should be beneath contempt. Those are the real trolls.

I had a strange urge to quote myself. I'm so bad for peeking, but it can be just too much fun to resist sometimes.

Anyway, no more troll-feed from me in this thread. Today's the big day!!!

I am glad they are satisfied with the ending, I know the only issue I have is that no ending would ever have been good enough for me, because I simply didn't want it ever to end, there is nothing they could have done that would have satisfied me, because I never wanted an ending, I wish it could have gone on and on, but that just wasn't meant to be. Oh well, I still loved every minute of it, and will always wish and hope that we will someday get more, not for an ending, just because I would love to see more.

Don't be fooled. "Public record" indicates that the producers had at least five seasons in mind. I've posted a link to the video where they themselves said so several times, but if you missed it I'm happy to post it again.

Don't worry, I am not fooled, I have not been posting much, but I have been reading most everything, I really don't care anymore about what is Public Record or not, I support the movement simply because I want more episodes, I don't want a conclusion, I simply want the show to continue, forever, yeah, I know, a pipe dream at best, but I just love the show. So in that context, for me, it is not about the writers getting to do the fifth season they had planned or not planned, I just want to see more episodes, and anything that is in support of getting those episodes I will support, I may not be living in reality, but hey, sometimes reality is not so great anyway. LOL. I can carry this show on in my dreams forever, and frequently do so.

Hi! I'm new to this board. My name is Stephanie and I'm from Germany.

When I was checking for the start of the next season just now I saw that the show is over. I'm shocked. That was no ending at all. Obviously not everything can be solved at the end of a story. The only way to do that is to kill all characters, but some ending would've been nice. The end of the last season seemed to be another cliffhanger to me.

Sadly, because of my lateness, I missed the letter-writing on the 17th. I of course signed the petition here on the board. I really hope they give us another season, or at least a TV-movie, so we have an ending worth a show like 4400.

And pardon me for saying this, any writer who thinks that was an ending should check his story-telling talents again.

Greetings, Steph

Welcome, lilah2603! Even though it's a few days late, they'll still get the letter, if you feel like sending one. I was going to send one every day for the whole week (actually, I kinda need to get caught up).

This may seem pretty redundant and random, but just now I watched a fanvid on the 4400. And I think it just hit me that there will be no new episodes this summer. And it was weird to realize that that revealation actually hurt. The 4400 followed me through most of high school and the beginning of college: as I watched the little snippets of past episodes, I realized just how far those characters went, and how much they changed! Fitting for a series that I watched near the end of teenage-dom and the beginning of adulthood.

Well, just thought I would share. I know I'm a dork, but I'll take it! Right now I'm off to right an opinion-editorial piece for class. A fun assignment! Have a good night fellow fans.

Those are exactly the same writers who created the show you like so much. They liked wide open "endings." They did it every season, without any guarantee whatsoever they would have the chance to come back and "finish" the story the next year.

There was no season 5 planned. They were thinking about a season 5. Those are very different statements. They had "ideas." That is what Ira said, and being the showrunner and head writer, what anyone else has to say is secondary, by definition.

It's Mr. Sunshine!

I'm with you zippy, it's definitely painful to realize that there will not be another season. The year long wait was bad enough but now that there will be no ending in sight, I actually get choked up thinking about it

Thanks for the welcome! Well, if it's not too late, and I hope it isn't, I will send out a letter tomorrow.


I think that's okay. I like being a dork sometimes


That is of course right, in a sense. Nevertheless to write a good story doesn't only mean to have a good idea and style and a general idea on how to make it thrilling, but also to know, how to end the story. As strange as it might seem to some, the most difficult parts of a story are the beginning and the ending, so that it is not only interesting for the writer, but also for the reader/viewer. It might be that Ira likes wide open endings, but if she makes her stories like that generally, then this is the last show written by her, I've ever watched. I like my endings end-like (I know it's not a word).

There is also a huge difference between an open ending and a cliffhanger. By deffinition, there is no wide open end, there is only the show has been cancelled after a cliffhanger or I have this great story, but I don't know how to end it. For Iras sake, I hope it's the first of the two.

BTW, what would interest me is, if Alex is the only person who has read this so called official statement of the writers? Because it seems to me that no one else has. I also wasn't able to find it quoted on any of the German fan-sites, which are usually very rich on information.

Welcome Lilah2603,

I'm not sure if the comments were ever published but it was said by Ira in this interview which Nonoitall was nice enough to post the link to.



In my opinion, what Ira said was in response to the question Do the writers have a clear vision of how The 4400 will end? written under About This Clip, but since Ira's response is heard and not the question it's only my safe assumption. But it seems quite clear to me that he is addressing the fact that he has ideas of where the story is going but is open to it changing as things come up and the story morphs into new ideas. He does not in any way address the number of seasons involved and so to make any assumption on that point based solely on Ira's interview is premature and vastly pulling Ira's comments out of context to prove a point. What I believe is proof that there was a plan for S5 is what Craig Sweeny says just after Ira. Check out the link and make up your own mind about it.

Thanks for re-posting that link! I couldn't agree more with you. To top it off, he says that they know the end-point of the series, and the end-point of season five, implying that the end of the series may have been even later than season five, but beyond that I can only speculate.

Just listening to it, it's obvious that they had way more planned than what's been shown so far, and that's what I think upsets me the most.

The 4400 is not that kind of story. This is the story of what happens to normal people in extraordinary circumstances. This is a story that follows the characters wherever they go and however they develop. The only way to "end" this story is for the characters to stop changing and growing.

The writers had some plot points, and some ideas of where they wanted to take the story, but Ira made it very clear that, if the characters presented a different opportunity (e.g., Billy Campbell leaving the show for a year), they would put the characters first, plot points second. And that is exactly what they did.



Ira is a he, and The 4400 is quite simply not that kind of story. What you want is Babylon 5, which had a definite beginning, middle and end, all planned well in advance. The 4400 is the opposite. I like them both. You simply have to recognize they are different.



It is not a matter of not knowing how to end it. It is a matter of a definite ending being completely inappropriate for this kind of show.

Since there's been no word yet on a series renewal, Behr says that he'll deliver an hour "that could end the series or leave us with great stories for the future." Source: http://www.tvguide.com/news/4400-burn-notice/070907-01



I am most certainly not the only person who knows how to read and listen to what the writers have said in this very forum, and interviews on other sites. The problem here is that certain people are in denial, and they would rather attack me and distort facts than recognize they are wrong.



"Plans for season 5" is not the same as having season 5 already planned in detail, on paper. Which would be completely STUPID, knowing how the actors (Billy Campbell, Laura Allen) had significantly changed the path of this show.

The writers wanted to do more than four seasons. No shocking revelation there.

Again, you have to consider the source. Craig Sweeny was a staff writer. Ira was the showrunner and head writer. Do the math. I think they had different ways of thinking about the show. But in the end, only one of them would get to decide what actually happens on the show. Guess which one.

Alex, I am so sick of this discussion with you which is why my comments were directed towards someone else. But since you are a person of fact, I NEVER said that season 5 was planned out in detail on paper! If you want to dismiss all comments made on the record regarding the show from every person who is not Ira, then that's your prerogative. As far as your arguments regarding Laura Allen and Billy Campbell, they only support what Ira said about being open to the story deterring from it's original scope. It does not in any way change the number of seasons that Ira had in mind. It seems to me that the only person distorting facts to keep from recognizing that they're wrong is you. Get over it already!

Let's not feed the trolls by the way

You said, "What I believe is proof that there was a plan for S5 is what Craig Sweeny says just after Ira." There was no plan for season 5. The writers were planning to do more than 4 seasons. You still do not understand the difference, do you?

The writers have some ideas of where they want to go with the story in the following 2-4 seasons, but they only planned every season at the beginning of every year, under contract. It would be stupid for them to do any serious work without pay, and they are not stupid. Their contracts were renewed year to year.



It is not a matter of dismissing anyone's comments. It is a matter of giving those comments the weight they deserve. If Craig Sweeny had been the showrunner and head writer, I would be making the opposite argument.



Ira did not have any specific number of seasons in mind. That is the whole point. I am surprised you still fail to grasp such a simple concept. The change in cast resulting in significant changes to the story only goes to prove how stupid it would be to assume there was a specific plan.

You're right! I won't do it again.