Kathleen has been nothing but a snot-nosed brat since the show started...I take everything she says with a huge grain of salt...and who says they were going through a divorce...just b/c Elliot signed, doesn't mean Kathy did...they may have been seperated, but that is all the writers told us...for all we know Elliot and Kathy talked and decided to drop the divorce ... we only know what the writers give us and that is that Elliot is with Kathy and they are still married and in love with one another...

Rollingstone...you don't have to agree with E/K, only when you are in this thread... ...kidding...You know me, I really don't care unless you try to push your ship down my throat outside the E/O thread...

Kathleen may be a brat but she has a point. If Elliot and Kathy did decide to drop the divorce by that time then don't you think Elliot and Kathy would have told the kids? Kathleen would have never called what he did a "booty call" if she knew Elliot and Kathy were working it out. I think for all she knew they were still seperated and the divorce was still in action. But you are right. No one can be right in this sense because the show has not given us anything.

Not necessarily...do your parents tell you everything...I know eventually they would have told the kids about his move home, but maybe that was the beginning of the reconciled marriage...Kathleen called it a "booty call" to get on her parents nerves because that is what teenagers do...she should be happy for he reconciliation and happy she isn't in jail...that kid needs to get her priorities straight and and worrying about her parents sleeping together shouldn't be high on her list, especially at that time...she needs to worry about school and her community service...

Rollingstone....I read every post in the E/O thread and there were many times I was biting my tounge because it isn't my thread to post in...I only get into trouble when I post there...so I don't...my choice...unless it has absolutely nothing to do with shipping...all you E/O shippers were beating each other up in that thread...it was aweful to read...I wouldn't be shocked if more than one person had their feelings hurt that day...but it is over and everyone has moved on and hopefully it is for the better....

i do not simply blame the people who comes from eo thread and jumps into ek thread to vent their opinions or any matter, they obviously finds our thread fun-loving, and no fights at all. everyone is welcome. either newbie, veteran, shipper or non-shipper is welcome.

Noone is blaming anyone...rollingstone was talking about the crap that happened in the E/O thread...not here...and I have said all along that everyone is welcome here...it isn't the same way in the E/O thread...even if they say it is, proof is in the writing...any E/K shipper that goes in that thread is jumped on and that is why I stay out of there...but like I also said, it is over and I am glad...

I think marianna was referring to Dependent- at the end of the scene, Elliot was at the house wanting to talk to Kathy- not see the kids. He asked her to come outside so they can talk, where he says that he loves his job and his family, he nearly lost both for good and wants to come home. We don't know if Kathy ever submitted the signed divorce papers to her lawyer or even if she did, after that, she could've contacted her lawyer and said to void it as they were trying to work things out.

Ok about the scene in Annihilated...I think hisgirl will post something that would be a better thought however my take of the scene, Elliot had not once taken his eyes away from Kathy while he was undressing, while he walked to the bed and the only time he did take his eyes off of Kathy was to see her hands hold his. Another thing, I do agree that Kathy missed him as I firmly believe that Elliot missed her- I mean geez, he did take off his clothes faster then Superman can change out of Clark Kent! Elliot did call her up to see the kids- she asked if that helped him feel better knowing that his kids were safe, sound, and sleeping peacefully without a bullet hole. Kathleen wasn't in the room when her parents had sex (compromise word between making love and booty call) so she shouldn't be too quick to judge what happened however she did have a point of saying "Come home or don't, there's nothing in between" and I do think Kathleen, in her own way, was looking after her mother, protecting her. We also don't know what happened in the aftermath before he went downstairs to drink orange juice; he could have snuck out when Kathy fell asleep OR they both decided that it would be better if he leaves so that in the following morning, they wouldn't confuse the heck out of the kids when all of the sudden their dad's there- sure it would make them happy but I get the feeling that it would've thrown them off track as well.

What if the writers added a little juicy Elliot and Kathy moment
like this picture?



ELLIOT: "Seriously, Kathy, why pink? We have a BOY!!"

KATHY: "I know, I know! I thought it was going to be a girl, but it's so pretty! At least the stroller is blue..."

I don't know...maybe she wants E/O, but will accept E/K because that is what the show is giving us...just a thought...

I am both fan of EO and EK. I come here on EK to talk about their relationship, how they handle their kids, and sometimes when I watch the Elliot/Kathy scenes on SVU, I discuss it here on EK thread. I always mention the name of Olivia on this thread according to the eppy I watch. When I share about what I think of Elliot and Olivia parts, I go to EO thread to talk about their relationship as partners, friends or co-workers. I only answer to members’ posts depending what the topic is about. Hope that helps.

Anytime!!

This is cute! I want to see an episode like this. I hope the love of Elliot and Kathy lasts longer

Thats cute.

Thanks all! Now, I have to make another moment for Elliot and Olivia An EO shipper asked for a request.

::runs to EO thread::

I have read a lot of the E/O shipper posts in that thread and non-shippers that go in there are jumped on because of their non-shipper ideas and trying to prove E/O shippers wrong. A lot of people place emphasis on staying on topic here and if you go into a thread only to disprove their thoughts and ideas, prepare to get pounced on. Not saying it's nice but it is understandable. Just now you are saying that "proof is in the writing" when it's not. Yes, Elliot is home with his wife but nothing in the show has indicated that in any minute, the writers will split them up. Just because they are married, had a baby and said 'I love you's' does not mean that all of the problems they have had in the past have disappeared. Just because Elliot and Kathy are together now, does not mean in season 10 the writers will allow Elliot to be with Olivia. No one is right or wrong in wanting a couple together and the sooner the people on this board realize that, the more the board members will get along.

I ship two ships. It's really not at all confusing nor is it hard to handle. EO shippers don't give me a hard time nor do DO shippers. It's really just a matter of staying on topic when in the right thread. That's all there is to it, unless your talking about when watching the show?

~ A Day at the Beach with Elliot & Kathy ~

Nice picture...

Gee I wonder where you got that original picture AND the captions ;-)

*lol* That's a really nice picture :-) Good job

What if the writers added a little juicy Elliot and Kathy moment
like this picture?

ELLIOT: "Seriously, Kathy, why pink? We have a BOY!!"

KATHY: "I know, I know! I thought it was going to be a girl, but it's so pretty! At least the stroller is blue..."



Mad4SVU did the Captions and the original picture is hers, thank you!

I almost missed the whole ‘Paternity’ episode last night, thanks to my boyfriend who hogged the TV all to himself. I am very much certain I posted somewhere here that I like Kathy, but it doesn’t make me an Elliot / Kathy shipper.

From what I understand why Elliot hesitantly asked his wife Kathy if she was seeing someone else or even slept with the guy during their separation; was because of these questions of the disturbed man had made. This man’s wife had been cheating. He was so lost his own personal issue has provoked Elliot to ask Kathy, as if Elliot were manipulated by a demon. Elliot was bold enough to admit that he had been seeing someone, and so was Kathy, only she said she had been out on a couple of dates. If she told Elliot that she has a serious relationship with the man she’s been dating, she wouldn’t have accepted Elliot back to their house ( Dependent episode ) in the first place. I’ve strong vibes that Kathy still loves her husband.

There is nothing wrong with Elliot and Kathy exchanging ‘I Love You’s. Elliot said it three times to Kathy. On the car, he said it twice. The last one, Elliot had to repeat it louder because Kathy was so much in pain she couldn’t hear him. Whatever the unpleasant issues they had in the past had been buried. They have moved on. They still have second chance. It’s not because of the baby, or the kids that brought them back together. But the great love for each other. They may have signed the papers for divorce, but can their hearts handle it? If it is a yes, then why are they still together? In fairness, they still have feelings for each other. As some wise people say: ‘Nothing can underestimate the power of Love’.

At the end after Elliot gave Kathy a brief head-to-head touch, I could see in their eyes that both were afraid to lose from each other. After welcoming his new born son ‘Eli’ into the world, Kathy softly stated that “You are the Father”, then Elliot replied with a big compassionate in his eyes: “I know”. To my opinion, I doubt these two have guts to cheat on each other.

What can I say? This is the best episodes of this season I have ever seen. The writers have outdone it this time. Christopher Meloni and Isabel Gillies have done their outstanding job as husband and wife. This should be a perfect example to other couples.

I don't even know what to say to this.

You're killing my normally happy disposition here, RainDrop.

Ahhhh, but THANK YOU, Enaka! B/c that "day at the beach" picture just seriously brightened me up!!

Nice job!

Cute.

Don't say anything...just let it go away...No arguements in th e E/K thread...save that for others...

Pinkie don't sweat over it, EK thread is a happy thread with a buffet table of food with a jacuzzi, a pool/beach, with alcohol and sodas to drink.

Hey no qualms Mad and Irish! Starting fights is not my thing! If something needs to be said, and at this point I don't think it does, I know there is PM.

I'm good. I'm cool. E/K thread is my Zen thread. Hahahaha!!!

I have a feeling that my ideas are not wanted in this thread so don't worry, I won't post here anymore. The last thing I want to do is upset people.

Noone is asking you to stop posting here...just to keep the E/O stuff out...you are welcome here anytime...

Alcohol? I think I will pass. Now that reminds me, I have to go and get my pick-up order of two-piece bikini

I was trying to point out that anything was possible. But...no more. Promise.

See what I mean? I'm still not getting through. It's like talking to a brick wall. My post was never about E/O! It was a hypothetical example. It had nothing to do with E/O! Ah!!!!!! It's so infuriating! Mk...breath in. Breath out. Breath in. Breath out.

I wasn't refering to you. It was in general. I promise I'm done.

But the last thing I want to do is upset anyone and if I continue then I certainly will. I would rather just drop it then let it continue and mess up a thread for fans. I said what I needed to say and so I depart.

RainDrop Posted Mar 28 2008, 11:54 AM
I actual think Paternity raised some questions for me. I'm not getting the "it's fine and we have moved on" feeling from the show. I mean in the end of Paternity maybe but towards the beginning, Elliot and Kathy were kind of irritated with each other in the bedroom scene, Elliot was questioning that the baby was his and Olivia was the one to give Kathy a ride to her appointment. If all is fine then those scenes and his doubts never should have taken place. But then again no marrital problems have been brought up on the show since then so maybe they have. I just wish the writers would bring it up on the show. Even something as a simple phrase such as, "Kathy and I are doing great" would appease me. Until then, I haven't been convinced.

Mad4SVU gave you a good basic explanation that Elliot empathized with Jake Keegan about what his wife did to him. But it goes beyond that. In Wanderlust, he tells Cragen about taking Maureen to the park and watching the men around them, wondering if one of them would want to hurt her. In Uncivilized, ELliot goes searching for Dickie in the Park because he is afraid that someone may have taken him because of the case. In Clock, we don't know that Kathleen's boyfriend is really a bad guy, but Elliot sees them that way and pulls him out of the car. Elliot acts like a hypochondriac, except with work. He sees symptoms at work and worries that his family might have the same problems.
Elliot has seen legal fathers not being biological fathers in at least recent episodes, Haystack and Confrontation. He knows it's a concern for troubled couples. But we didn't hear him ask Kathy about it when he first came home. Because he knew better. But he obsessed over this case and put himself in Jake's shoes. And after he saw the differences between his life and the Keegans, he realized it was an absurd idea the baby wasn't his.
The writers don need to give us more Elliot at home happy with Kathy scenes. They have recycled enough story lines form past years. Let them recycle some scene at the Stabler house if they can't come up with new ones.
------------------------------------
RainDrop Posted Yesterday, 01:25 AM
I have read a lot of the E/O shipper posts in that thread and non-shippers that go in there are jumped on because of their non-shipper ideas and trying to prove E/O shippers wrong. A lot of people place emphasis on staying on topic here and if you go into a thread only to disprove their thoughts and ideas, prepare to get pounced on. Not saying it's nice but it is understandable. Just now you are saying that "proof is in the writing" when it's not. Yes, Elliot is home with his wife but nothing in the show has indicated that in any minute, the writers will split them up. Just because they are married, had a baby and said 'I love you's' does not mean that all of the problems they have had in the past have disappeared. Just because Elliot and Kathy are together now, does not mean in season 10 the writers will allow Elliot to be with Olivia. No one is right or wrong in wanting a couple together and the sooner the people on this board realize that, the more the board members will get along.

The proof in the writing is not just because Elliot is home with Kathy, but because of the change in the Elliot and Olivia relationship. The writers have dropped the idea of anything going between the two of them. There are no more holes where EO shippers can say "See how much they want to be together". Olivia has spent as much time in Season 9 being partnered with Lake as she has with Elliot.
In Fault Elliot realized that there was a danger of his making Olivia a substitute for Kathy. He wisely decide not to let that happen. In Ripped Elliot finally got help addressing his anger issues that were part of the problem with his marriage. In Dependant Elliot hit bottom and realized he wanted to go home and try to make his marriage work. In Annihilated we saw that Elliot wants and needs Kathy in his life because she is home to him. In Paternity it is clear that Elliot loves Kathy.
It would be a better show if the writers let us see Kathy and Elliot working on their marriage like all married couples have to do. They had three reasonable openings in the last four episodes to do so. But they don't seem to want to explore the Stabler marriage at all. Which is a huge mistake because understanding Elliot's home life is key to understanding Elliot at work.
Elliot is not going to leave Kathy and the kids. That's just not Elliot. Kathy is not going to leave Elliot again. That didn't play well the first time, so why make the same mistake twice. So anybody hoping for an EO relationship is either hoping for Elliot to fail to save his marriage with the woman he loves or that he has an affair with Olivia. Neither of those is an acceptable option. So there is a problem with thinking the writers could put Elliot and Olivia together in Season 10.

Believe what you will. None of the examples you have given are what I was trying to prove. Everyone continues to look over the fact that Elliot and Kathy's marriage is not suger and spice. I never stated that Elliot and Kathy do not love each other. I said their marriage is not the healthiest and even you have stated at one point that the writers made a mistake for having Elliot going home AFTER the baby Eli was concieved. That shows me that he is home and trying to work things out for the baby. None of the issues they had before were treated with medication. It was simply covered with a gaze and at some point the wound will begin to puss and rise to the surface. You can and have every right to believe that Elliot and Kathy are together forever and all is well. The writers have not given me any indication that in the future Elliot or Kathy will not walk away again. You seem very sure of yourself as if you write the episodes yourself but what you and others are looking over is that this is a TV show. The writers will work this in whatever way they choose. If they want fans to see, whithout a doubt, that their marriage is solid, they should never have had a baby be the push Elliot needed to go home.