QUOTE (moark @ Jul 16 2009, 06:44 PM) 
You can't deny this!!! *EVIL LAUGH*
But Dam* that black bar on the bottom!!
~moark~
Ha, ha, ha! That doesn't prove anything! 
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You can't deny this!!! *EVIL LAUGH*
But Dam* that black bar on the bottom!!
~moark~
Ha, ha, ha! That doesn't prove anything!
QUOTE (LOCInumber1fan @ Jul 17 2009, 02:54 PM)
Ha, ha, ha! That doesn't prove anything! BobbY DOES seem awfully close to her. . . I mean, he goes in front of her, and not beside her.
AND watch his hand!!!!
You can't deny it!!!
We've got to save Ginny Weasley from the basilisk
We've got to save the school from that unseen horror
We've got to save Ginny Weasley from the basilisk
We've got to save the school agian
~moark~
QUOTE (moark @ Jul 17 2009, 08:57 PM)
BobbY DOES seem awfully close to her. . . I mean, he goes in front of her, and not beside her.
AND watch his hand!!!!
You can't deny it!!!
We've got to save Ginny Weasley from the basilisk
We've got to save the school from that unseen horror
We've got to save Ginny Weasley from the basilisk
We've got to save the school agian
~moark~
AND watch his hand!!!!
You can't deny it!!!
We've got to save Ginny Weasley from the basilisk
We've got to save the school from that unseen horror
We've got to save Ginny Weasley from the basilisk
We've got to save the school agian
~moark~
mmm....
*mumble mumble*
well, I don't think this video proves anything. He could have gotten closer than that and he doesn't seem to pause or hesitate as if his intention wasn't to "circumnavigate" Eames because she's stepping on his route
There are moments they do seem to be closer than one would expect two colleagues to be (emotionally, not physically) but to me this is a deep bond somewhere between strong friendship and romantic involvement.
I read another example somewhere on the board: Bobby smashing Declan whatshisname on the wall, wanting info to find Eames. And the way Bobby does it is supposed to show some romantic involvement. Well, I know it's a bit 'stretched' but-uh... I can see Logan smashing the guy with equal strength if he needed to save Lennie, but that doesn't mean Logan was 'in love' with Lennie
Maybe Bobby and Alex are 'in care', rather than in love. I got that on from another show, 20 years older than LOCI, lol, but I like the phrase (by the way, that show too, was ruined after the two main characters 'shipped')
Back to LOCI... after all, in such works you need to put a fair amount of trust in your partner and of course, when one feels betrayed (that episode Bobby's undercover 'to get his shield back' and Eames knows anything) the confrontation is different than it would be between 'ordinary friends' or 'ordinary colleagues', so to say. Although it also depends on the two personalities really. Moreover, try and imagine that same scene with 2 men, you wouldn't hear almost-crying voices for sure
But this is because Eames is Eames. I mean, maybe another woman would have reacted with more direct, physical aggressiveness. Eames has her arms folded at some point, if I remember correctly. This doesn't show too much openness...I guess we could go on for hours analysing every second of the show, but I think we woulnd't find a unique answer anyway. Besides, we can never be 100% sure the movements of the actors, for instance, are exactly what was hinted from the script, or are those rather the actors "ad libbing" to their characters? *another huge topic open*
One thing is for sure: Goren and Eames have a bond we'll never see between Logan and any of his multiple partners (well, now that he is gone we can speculate on the new one, lol, Nichols). If you think about it, we've never really seen Bobby work with anyone else anyway. I think he's that sort of character that he either gets along very well with somoene, in this case Eames, or he'd rather work alone; while the other 'couples' ---I obviously mention Logan more but this is because I know very little about Nichols, I don't have access to the new episodes--- seem to show less attachment to each others. Not that they don't care for their partners, but maybe they haven't worked together long enough or they are not the types to grow such close work relationships. Personalities can be very diverse, interactions can also be very diverse and Goren is 'a little peculiar', you will allow me this. One thing any partner working with Bobby would have to have is patience
woooops, I hear snoring...
*end of the novelette*
QUOTE (globetrottersara @ Aug 1 2009, 11:25 PM)
mmm....
*mumble mumble*
well, I don't think this video proves anything. He could have gotten closer than that and he doesn't seem to pause or hesitate as if his intention wasn't to "circumnavigate" Eames because she's stepping on his route
There are moments they do seem to be closer than one would expect two colleagues to be (emotionally, not physically) but to me this is a deep bond somewhere between strong friendship and romantic involvement.
I read another example somewhere on the board: Bobby smashing Declan whatshisname on the wall, wanting info to find Eames. And the way Bobby does it is supposed to show some romantic involvement. Well, I know it's a bit 'stretched' but-uh... I can see Logan smashing the guy with equal strength if he needed to save Lennie, but that doesn't mean Logan was 'in love' with Lennie
Maybe Bobby and Alex are 'in care', rather than in love. I got that on from another show, 20 years older than LOCI, lol, but I like the phrase (by the way, that show too, was ruined after the two main characters 'shipped')
Back to LOCI... after all, in such works you need to put a fair amount of trust in your partner and of course, when one feels betrayed (that episode Bobby's undercover 'to get his shield back' and Eames knows anything) the confrontation is different than it would be between 'ordinary friends' or 'ordinary colleagues', so to say. Although it also depends on the two personalities really. Moreover, try and imagine that same scene with 2 men, you wouldn't hear almost-crying voices for sure But this is because Eames is Eames. I mean, maybe another woman would have reacted with more direct, physical aggressiveness. Eames has her arms folded at some point, if I remember correctly. This doesn't show too much openness...
I guess we could go on for hours analysing every second of the show, but I think we woulnd't find a unique answer anyway. Besides, we can never be 100% sure the movements of the actors, for instance, are exactly what was hinted from the script, or are those rather the actors "ad libbing" to their characters? *another huge topic open*
One thing is for sure: Goren and Eames have a bond we'll never see between Logan and any of his multiple partners (well, now that he is gone we can speculate on the new one, lol, Nichols). If you think about it, we've never really seen Bobby work with anyone else anyway. I think he's that sort of character that he either gets along very well with somoene, in this case Eames, or he'd rather work alone; while the other 'couples' ---I obviously mention Logan more but this is because I know very little about Nichols, I don't have access to the new episodes--- seem to show less attachment to each others. Not that they don't care for their partners, but maybe they haven't worked together long enough or they are not the types to grow such close work relationships. Personalities can be very diverse, interactions can also be very diverse and Goren is 'a little peculiar', you will allow me this. One thing any partner working with Bobby would have to have is patience
woooops, I hear snoring...
*end of the novelette*
*mumble mumble*
well, I don't think this video proves anything. He could have gotten closer than that and he doesn't seem to pause or hesitate as if his intention wasn't to "circumnavigate" Eames because she's stepping on his route
There are moments they do seem to be closer than one would expect two colleagues to be (emotionally, not physically) but to me this is a deep bond somewhere between strong friendship and romantic involvement.
I read another example somewhere on the board: Bobby smashing Declan whatshisname on the wall, wanting info to find Eames. And the way Bobby does it is supposed to show some romantic involvement. Well, I know it's a bit 'stretched' but-uh... I can see Logan smashing the guy with equal strength if he needed to save Lennie, but that doesn't mean Logan was 'in love' with Lennie
Maybe Bobby and Alex are 'in care', rather than in love. I got that on from another show, 20 years older than LOCI, lol, but I like the phrase (by the way, that show too, was ruined after the two main characters 'shipped')
Back to LOCI... after all, in such works you need to put a fair amount of trust in your partner and of course, when one feels betrayed (that episode Bobby's undercover 'to get his shield back' and Eames knows anything) the confrontation is different than it would be between 'ordinary friends' or 'ordinary colleagues', so to say. Although it also depends on the two personalities really. Moreover, try and imagine that same scene with 2 men, you wouldn't hear almost-crying voices for sure
But this is because Eames is Eames. I mean, maybe another woman would have reacted with more direct, physical aggressiveness. Eames has her arms folded at some point, if I remember correctly. This doesn't show too much openness...I guess we could go on for hours analysing every second of the show, but I think we woulnd't find a unique answer anyway. Besides, we can never be 100% sure the movements of the actors, for instance, are exactly what was hinted from the script, or are those rather the actors "ad libbing" to their characters? *another huge topic open*
One thing is for sure: Goren and Eames have a bond we'll never see between Logan and any of his multiple partners (well, now that he is gone we can speculate on the new one, lol, Nichols). If you think about it, we've never really seen Bobby work with anyone else anyway. I think he's that sort of character that he either gets along very well with somoene, in this case Eames, or he'd rather work alone; while the other 'couples' ---I obviously mention Logan more but this is because I know very little about Nichols, I don't have access to the new episodes--- seem to show less attachment to each others. Not that they don't care for their partners, but maybe they haven't worked together long enough or they are not the types to grow such close work relationships. Personalities can be very diverse, interactions can also be very diverse and Goren is 'a little peculiar', you will allow me this. One thing any partner working with Bobby would have to have is patience
woooops, I hear snoring...
*end of the novelette*
Excellent points, Sara! I can think of many "same sex partnerships" where one partner would be just as frantic to find the other as Bobby was. Nothing romantic at all needed...just the closeness that comes from daily trusting your life to another person.
QUOTE (globetrottersara @ Aug 1 2009, 11:25 PM)
mmm....
*mumble mumble*
well, I don't think this video proves anything. He could have gotten closer than that and he doesn't seem to pause or hesitate as if his intention wasn't to "circumnavigate" Eames because she's stepping on his route
There are moments they do seem to be closer than one would expect two colleagues to be (emotionally, not physically) but to me this is a deep bond somewhere between strong friendship and romantic involvement.
I read another example somewhere on the board: Bobby smashing Declan whatshisname on the wall, wanting info to find Eames. And the way Bobby does it is supposed to show some romantic involvement. Well, I know it's a bit 'stretched' but-uh... I can see Logan smashing the guy with equal strength if he needed to save Lennie, but that doesn't mean Logan was 'in love' with Lennie
Maybe Bobby and Alex are 'in care', rather than in love. I got that on from another show, 20 years older than LOCI, lol, but I like the phrase (by the way, that show too, was ruined after the two main characters 'shipped')
Back to LOCI... after all, in such works you need to put a fair amount of trust in your partner and of course, when one feels betrayed (that episode Bobby's undercover 'to get his shield back' and Eames knows anything) the confrontation is different than it would be between 'ordinary friends' or 'ordinary colleagues', so to say. Although it also depends on the two personalities really. Moreover, try and imagine that same scene with 2 men, you wouldn't hear almost-crying voices for sure But this is because Eames is Eames. I mean, maybe another woman would have reacted with more direct, physical aggressiveness. Eames has her arms folded at some point, if I remember correctly. This doesn't show too much openness...
I guess we could go on for hours analysing every second of the show, but I think we woulnd't find a unique answer anyway. Besides, we can never be 100% sure the movements of the actors, for instance, are exactly what was hinted from the script, or are those rather the actors "ad libbing" to their characters? *another huge topic open*
One thing is for sure: Goren and Eames have a bond we'll never see between Logan and any of his multiple partners (well, now that he is gone we can speculate on the new one, lol, Nichols). If you think about it, we've never really seen Bobby work with anyone else anyway. I think he's that sort of character that he either gets along very well with somoene, in this case Eames, or he'd rather work alone; while the other 'couples' ---I obviously mention Logan more but this is because I know very little about Nichols, I don't have access to the new episodes--- seem to show less attachment to each others. Not that they don't care for their partners, but maybe they haven't worked together long enough or they are not the types to grow such close work relationships. Personalities can be very diverse, interactions can also be very diverse and Goren is 'a little peculiar', you will allow me this. One thing any partner working with Bobby would have to have is patience
woooops, I hear snoring...
*end of the novelette*
*mumble mumble*
well, I don't think this video proves anything. He could have gotten closer than that and he doesn't seem to pause or hesitate as if his intention wasn't to "circumnavigate" Eames because she's stepping on his route
There are moments they do seem to be closer than one would expect two colleagues to be (emotionally, not physically) but to me this is a deep bond somewhere between strong friendship and romantic involvement.
I read another example somewhere on the board: Bobby smashing Declan whatshisname on the wall, wanting info to find Eames. And the way Bobby does it is supposed to show some romantic involvement. Well, I know it's a bit 'stretched' but-uh... I can see Logan smashing the guy with equal strength if he needed to save Lennie, but that doesn't mean Logan was 'in love' with Lennie
Maybe Bobby and Alex are 'in care', rather than in love. I got that on from another show, 20 years older than LOCI, lol, but I like the phrase (by the way, that show too, was ruined after the two main characters 'shipped')
Back to LOCI... after all, in such works you need to put a fair amount of trust in your partner and of course, when one feels betrayed (that episode Bobby's undercover 'to get his shield back' and Eames knows anything) the confrontation is different than it would be between 'ordinary friends' or 'ordinary colleagues', so to say. Although it also depends on the two personalities really. Moreover, try and imagine that same scene with 2 men, you wouldn't hear almost-crying voices for sure
But this is because Eames is Eames. I mean, maybe another woman would have reacted with more direct, physical aggressiveness. Eames has her arms folded at some point, if I remember correctly. This doesn't show too much openness...I guess we could go on for hours analysing every second of the show, but I think we woulnd't find a unique answer anyway. Besides, we can never be 100% sure the movements of the actors, for instance, are exactly what was hinted from the script, or are those rather the actors "ad libbing" to their characters? *another huge topic open*
One thing is for sure: Goren and Eames have a bond we'll never see between Logan and any of his multiple partners (well, now that he is gone we can speculate on the new one, lol, Nichols). If you think about it, we've never really seen Bobby work with anyone else anyway. I think he's that sort of character that he either gets along very well with somoene, in this case Eames, or he'd rather work alone; while the other 'couples' ---I obviously mention Logan more but this is because I know very little about Nichols, I don't have access to the new episodes--- seem to show less attachment to each others. Not that they don't care for their partners, but maybe they haven't worked together long enough or they are not the types to grow such close work relationships. Personalities can be very diverse, interactions can also be very diverse and Goren is 'a little peculiar', you will allow me this. One thing any partner working with Bobby would have to have is patience
woooops, I hear snoring...
*end of the novelette*
Now you've got me remembering L&O back when Max Greevey was murdered and Logan's grief (and his first "sessions" with Olivet!). Throughout the entire episode Logan was trying to deal with his grief and letting his feelings get in the way of the investigation. I wish I had a picture of Logan holding the killer up against a wall in a dark alley, with his gun to the guy's head until he confessed. Got the confession thrown out of court....but at that moment, all Logan could think about was that this was the guy who killed his partner, his friend (but definitely NOT the love of his life!
)
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I wonder what this is supposed to mean??? ::scratches head::
You anti-shippers CAN'T explain that... No way!!!! And don't give me the excuse that it's random!!!
I wonder what this is supposed to mean??? ::scratches head::
You anti-shippers CAN'T explain that... No way!!!! And don't give me the excuse that it's random!!!
QUOTE (bogoalexea @ Aug 10 2009, 04:17 PM)
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I wonder what this is supposed to mean??? ::scratches head::
You anti-shippers CAN'T explain that... No way!!!! And don't give me the excuse that it's random!!!
I wonder what this is supposed to mean??? ::scratches head::
You anti-shippers CAN'T explain that... No way!!!! And don't give me the excuse that it's random!!!
Explain what? Eames sitting in the car waiting for her partner while he talks to his brother? No, there's nothing random about it.
QUOTE (bogoalexea @ Aug 10 2009, 04:17 PM)
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I wonder what this is supposed to mean??? ::scratches head::
You anti-shippers CAN'T explain that... No way!!!! And don't give me the excuse that it's random!!!
I wonder what this is supposed to mean??? ::scratches head::
You anti-shippers CAN'T explain that... No way!!!! And don't give me the excuse that it's random!!!
OMG!!!! Judy pointed out that sign behind Eames that says "your heart". I hadn't noticed it before! That changes EVERYTHING! Look...in the foreground of the picture is Frank's girlfriend. And Eames is looking right at her...and it says "your heart" behind her....EAMES IS IN LOVE WITH FRANK'S GIRLFRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now there's another reason...the biggest one of all....why Goren/Eames shipping will never happen. Eames is in love with another woman!
QUOTE (ciaddict @ Aug 10 2009, 11:28 PM)
OMG!!!! Judy pointed out that sign behind Eames that says "your heart". I hadn't noticed it before! That changes EVERYTHING! Look...in the foreground of the picture is Frank's girlfriend. And Eames is looking right at her...and it says "your heart" behind her....EAMES IS IN LOVE WITH FRANK'S GIRLFRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now there's another reason...the biggest one of all....why Goren/Eames shipping will never happen. Eames is in love with another woman!
Now there's another reason...the biggest one of all....why Goren/Eames shipping will never happen. Eames is in love with another woman!
Well, your category of fans are something
....
QUOTE (ciaddict @ Aug 10 2009, 11:17 PM)
Now you've got me remembering L&O back when Max Greevey was murdered and Logan's grief (and his first "sessions" with Olivet!). Throughout the entire episode Logan was trying to deal with his grief and letting his feelings get in the way of the investigation. I wish I had a picture of Logan holding the killer up against a wall in a dark alley, with his gun to the guy's head until he confessed. Got the confession thrown out of court....but at that moment, all Logan could think about was that this was the guy who killed his partner, his friend (but definitely NOT the love of his life! )
)I love that episode and how Logan eventually gets closer to Dr. Olivet...
*gone dusting off the dvd boxset*
ta-daaah...
the guy's head is sooooo about to be blown off
mmm, think I lost it
well-huh...
Max is dead. Whaaaaaa...
What a sad episode.If you want more captions, let me know, lol...
Or maybe we should start a "Proofs Logan & Lennie were -in care- " topic. I remember quite a few scenes were they make funny faces at each others, lol...
Sorry for the off-topic! Just had to pull out some proof...
QUOTE (globetrottersara @ Aug 10 2009, 11:37 PM)
I love that episode and how Logan eventually gets closer to Dr. Olivet...
*gone dusting off the dvd boxset*
ta-daaah...
the guy's head is sooooo about to be blown off
mmm, think I lost it
well-huh...
Max is dead. Whaaaaaa... What a sad episode.
If you want more captions, let me know, lol...
Or maybe we should start a "Proofs Logan & Lennie were -in care- " topic. I remember quite a few scenes were they make funny faces at each others, lol...
Sorry for the off-topic! Just had to pull out some proof...
*gone dusting off the dvd boxset*
ta-daaah...
the guy's head is sooooo about to be blown off
mmm, think I lost it
well-huh...
Max is dead. Whaaaaaa...
What a sad episode.If you want more captions, let me know, lol...
Or maybe we should start a "Proofs Logan & Lennie were -in care- " topic. I remember quite a few scenes were they make funny faces at each others, lol...
Sorry for the off-topic! Just had to pull out some proof...
Perfect! This is exactly what I was looking for. If I had time I would post the pictures of Bobby throwing Declan against the wall next to them. If that proves that Bobby is in love with Alex, then certainly these pictures prove Logan was in love with Greevey. Same intensity, same pain. Thank you!
And now when I go home, I must get out my L & O dvds - I so love Mike Logan. His passion and concern for his PARTNER is so intense and you can feel his pain at losing Max.
I totally agree - when you work a job where you put your life in someone else's hands every day, a very deep bond forms. It is trust, friendship and something much deeper, but it is nothing the least bit romantic.
I totally agree - when you work a job where you put your life in someone else's hands every day, a very deep bond forms. It is trust, friendship and something much deeper, but it is nothing the least bit romantic.
QUOTE (spookycc @ Jun 7 2008, 12:36 PM)
Compiled List from spook and all other suggestions:
Bullet-point Reasons G/E shippyness will never happen (not using word, so I don't have bullets, I'll shoot blanks ** ;-)
Part ONE
* It would ruin the Goren/Eames dynamic that we currently see on the show.
* Bobby is too closed-off to be in a "real" relationship.
* They might get separated from each other @ work if they were dating. (It's illegal for partners to have a romantic relationship in NYPD) (Ross is pretty rigid and if he got wind of anything romantic, he would probably split up their team. Then we might have Logan/Eames and Goren/Wheeler or Goren/Logan or Goren/Jefferies or Goren/Richie or Goren/ANYBODY WHO ISN'T EAMES. That would be terrible.)
* VDO has stated he doesn't want a romance for Bobby and the writers will keep him happy.
* The "tension" isn't there for Goren and Eames in a romantic sense, just warmth, respect and friendship.
* He calls her "Eames", if they were in a relationship, he would be calling her Alex by now.
* Too many of us would get mad and quit watching the show.
* "The Big Question" would finally be answered and the mystique would be gone....
* The fun of the "to ship or not to ship" thread would be over.....
* There's very little touching, usually Bobby stopping Eames when he gets a clue on a cell call, etc. Not forgetting the time he touched her after she almost shot the guy who only had a starters pistol - that was a caring touch and one done by a close friend.
* When he has a family crisis, he shuts Eames out instead of letting her help. "Back off..." aka When Bobby is leaving in the elevator in TWAH...he tell Alex "Just back off". That was not a way you would talk to someone you love, but a partner who is pushing a bit too hard at the moment.
* There have been hints over the years that they have both dated other people, but never a hint they have ever dated each other.
* Bobby is not Eames' type
* He called her sis.
* They flirt with other people while working on a case together
* Who can forget "It's too late"? While it was a resigned sigh that she is aware of the effect he has had on her career, there is a bit of underlying resentment that she is so closely connected to his 'unique investigative techniques'.
* Brothers and sisters DO fight and DO feel remorse and a need to reconcile. It's not just for lovers.
* Goren and Eames have always worked as cop-partners and friends, and he "doesn't react well to change".
* "Kissing" time would taking time from the plot of the show and we only have 43-44 minutes now.
* The bad guys would get away, Look what happen when Elliot worried too much about Olivia a Boy got killed and the bad guy got away.
* Bobby needs Eames to scroll on the PC, not roll in the hay.
* Touching someone doesn't mean you wanna boink them.
* Looking at a friend with a knowing smile doesn't mean you wanna boink them.
* They spend all their working hours together - how much more time could they spend together before they ruin the partnership/friendship and not get on each other's nerves?
* Bobby would NEVER get to drive.
* After all those years as partners, if Bobby were interested in Eames, he would have taken her to meet his mother voluntarily and not wait for Frank to get involved.
* Putting up with her partner's quirkiness doesn't mean Eames wants to boink Goren.
* Just because Eames goes to her partner's mom's funeral doesn't mean she wants to boink said partner.
* Bobby broke Eames' Santa mug. If he loved her he would have bought her another one. Even if it meant scouring ebay and estate sales.
* Bobby is spending too much time searching for Donny to spend quality time with a girlfriend.
* When Bobby finds Donny (I hope he will), he will be too busy taking him to Yankees games, etc., to spend time with a girlfriend.
* Eames does not want the ring that Frank pried off Frances Goren as her engagement ring.
* The show will have jumped the SHARK
* I don't think it would work out because they are partners.
* The show would more than likely be canceled in the near future. (I have seen it happen with other shows that did it)
* If Bobby had feelings for Eames, he wouldn't have corrected Frank when Frank thought they were romantically involved...he would have clarified!
* When Mama Goren told Bobby she heard he had a girlfriend, he corrected her and said, "No, Frank misunderstood." He would have told his mom the truth.
* It will never happen because vincent said himself that he doesnt want to have a romance on the show, and that if they thought he should have one he would leave the show lol... thats why it wont happen
* Just because Bobby comes to Alex's defense, doesn't mean he's IN LOVE with her. He is the larger more powerful of the team. He wouldn't just stand back and let her be attacked when he could do something to protect her. They are partners, he's just doing his job.
* LOCI is after all a CRIME DRAMA, not a soap opera. The two most important detectives are partners not lovers. The show is centered on the crimes and the solving of the crimes. A touch of person info is cool...the two best detective "boining" is not necessary to the continued enjoyment of the program.
* Eames has dated, when she was on pregnancy leave. Bobby has dated, Irene for one. If I was IN LOVE with someone I wouldn't be dating someone else.
* Bobby didn't use a key to get inside Eames' apartment in Blind Spot. I think he would rather face the funny look from Ross than watch them use a battering ram on her door.
* Work partners often work together their entire careers without boinking. It happens!
* See that look El gives Liv? YEP. Ever see THAT look between Bobby and Alex? NOPE. I'm not talking about smiling, KNOWING looks. I'm talking about sexually-tense looks like the E/O "sitting on the porch steps" look.
* Goren would have never had an interest in Leslie Lazard if he loved Eames. Or in Nelda the nurse, either.
* The fact that Eames finds Goren's 'hands on' (poking, touching, sticking things into) approach with their deceased victims so distasteful, she doesn't want him touching her with those hands.
* Bobby and Alex are not in love. (Compliments of ValleyoftheShado)
* Bobby's warmth and affection is part of who he is and not because he has romantic feelings for Alex.
* If Bobby and Alex were really "together" she would have made him go to Home Depot/Lowes and update that kitchen!
* I put Bobby and Alex's names on 2 Skittles™ and super-glued them together. They fell apart.
* If Logan jumped off a bridge, Goren would prolly jump in to save him.
* If Eames loved Bobby, she would have TOLD him about that letter requesting a new partner LONG before she had to read it in court.
* The Bobby and Alex M&M's melted in my hands! They didn't melt together, silly!
* It would ruin the Goren/Eames dynamic that we currently see on the show.
* Bobby is too closed-off to be in a "real" relationship.
* They might get separated from each other @ work if they were dating. (It's illegal for partners to have a romantic relationship in NYPD) (Ross is pretty rigid and if he got wind of anything romantic, he would probably split up their team. Then we might have Logan/Eames and Goren/Wheeler or Goren/Logan or Goren/Jefferies or Goren/Richie or Goren/ANYBODY WHO ISN'T EAMES. That would be terrible.)
* VDO has stated he doesn't want a romance for Bobby and the writers will keep him happy.
* The "tension" isn't there for Goren and Eames in a romantic sense, just warmth, respect and friendship.
* He calls her "Eames", if they were in a relationship, he would be calling her Alex by now.
* Too many of us would get mad and quit watching the show.
* "The Big Question" would finally be answered and the mystique would be gone....
* The fun of the "to ship or not to ship" thread would be over.....
* There's very little touching, usually Bobby stopping Eames when he gets a clue on a cell call, etc. Not forgetting the time he touched her after she almost shot the guy who only had a starters pistol - that was a caring touch and one done by a close friend.
* When he has a family crisis, he shuts Eames out instead of letting her help. "Back off..." aka When Bobby is leaving in the elevator in TWAH...he tell Alex "Just back off". That was not a way you would talk to someone you love, but a partner who is pushing a bit too hard at the moment.
* There have been hints over the years that they have both dated other people, but never a hint they have ever dated each other.
* Bobby is not Eames' type
* He called her sis.
* They flirt with other people while working on a case together
* Who can forget "It's too late"? While it was a resigned sigh that she is aware of the effect he has had on her career, there is a bit of underlying resentment that she is so closely connected to his 'unique investigative techniques'.
* Brothers and sisters DO fight and DO feel remorse and a need to reconcile. It's not just for lovers.
* Goren and Eames have always worked as cop-partners and friends, and he "doesn't react well to change".
* "Kissing" time would taking time from the plot of the show and we only have 43-44 minutes now.
* The bad guys would get away, Look what happen when Elliot worried too much about Olivia a Boy got killed and the bad guy got away.
* Bobby needs Eames to scroll on the PC, not roll in the hay.
* Touching someone doesn't mean you wanna boink them.
* Looking at a friend with a knowing smile doesn't mean you wanna boink them.
* They spend all their working hours together - how much more time could they spend together before they ruin the partnership/friendship and not get on each other's nerves?
* Bobby would NEVER get to drive.
* After all those years as partners, if Bobby were interested in Eames, he would have taken her to meet his mother voluntarily and not wait for Frank to get involved.
* Putting up with her partner's quirkiness doesn't mean Eames wants to boink Goren.
* Just because Eames goes to her partner's mom's funeral doesn't mean she wants to boink said partner.
* Bobby broke Eames' Santa mug. If he loved her he would have bought her another one. Even if it meant scouring ebay and estate sales.
* Bobby is spending too much time searching for Donny to spend quality time with a girlfriend.
* When Bobby finds Donny (I hope he will), he will be too busy taking him to Yankees games, etc., to spend time with a girlfriend.
* Eames does not want the ring that Frank pried off Frances Goren as her engagement ring.
* The show will have jumped the SHARK
* I don't think it would work out because they are partners.
* The show would more than likely be canceled in the near future. (I have seen it happen with other shows that did it)
* If Bobby had feelings for Eames, he wouldn't have corrected Frank when Frank thought they were romantically involved...he would have clarified!
* When Mama Goren told Bobby she heard he had a girlfriend, he corrected her and said, "No, Frank misunderstood." He would have told his mom the truth.
* It will never happen because vincent said himself that he doesnt want to have a romance on the show, and that if they thought he should have one he would leave the show lol... thats why it wont happen
* Just because Bobby comes to Alex's defense, doesn't mean he's IN LOVE with her. He is the larger more powerful of the team. He wouldn't just stand back and let her be attacked when he could do something to protect her. They are partners, he's just doing his job.
* LOCI is after all a CRIME DRAMA, not a soap opera. The two most important detectives are partners not lovers. The show is centered on the crimes and the solving of the crimes. A touch of person info is cool...the two best detective "boining" is not necessary to the continued enjoyment of the program.
* Eames has dated, when she was on pregnancy leave. Bobby has dated, Irene for one. If I was IN LOVE with someone I wouldn't be dating someone else.
* Bobby didn't use a key to get inside Eames' apartment in Blind Spot. I think he would rather face the funny look from Ross than watch them use a battering ram on her door.
* Work partners often work together their entire careers without boinking. It happens!
* See that look El gives Liv? YEP. Ever see THAT look between Bobby and Alex? NOPE. I'm not talking about smiling, KNOWING looks. I'm talking about sexually-tense looks like the E/O "sitting on the porch steps" look.
* Goren would have never had an interest in Leslie Lazard if he loved Eames. Or in Nelda the nurse, either.
* The fact that Eames finds Goren's 'hands on' (poking, touching, sticking things into) approach with their deceased victims so distasteful, she doesn't want him touching her with those hands.
* Bobby and Alex are not in love. (Compliments of ValleyoftheShado)
* Bobby's warmth and affection is part of who he is and not because he has romantic feelings for Alex.
* If Bobby and Alex were really "together" she would have made him go to Home Depot/Lowes and update that kitchen!
* I put Bobby and Alex's names on 2 Skittles™ and super-glued them together. They fell apart.
* If Logan jumped off a bridge, Goren would prolly jump in to save him.
* If Eames loved Bobby, she would have TOLD him about that letter requesting a new partner LONG before she had to read it in court.
* The Bobby and Alex M&M's melted in my hands! They didn't melt together, silly!
QUOTE (spookycc @ Jun 7 2008, 12:38 PM)
Compiled List from spook and all other suggestions:
Bullet-point Reasons G/E shippyness will never happen (not using word, so I don't have bullets, I'll shoot blanks ** ;-)
Part TWO
* Bobby ordered veal parmesan five nights in a row to watch the waitress write it down.
* IF Bobby had 'shippy' feelings for Alex, his own feelings would have been hurt when she read the letter requesting another partner in court. Instead, he understood as a friend/partner that he's an 'acquired taste' and never gave it another thought.
* If Bobby and Alex were having sex, he wouldn't be having all this built up anger and frustration. He would be more mellow. He looks like a man who needs to get laid, not like a man who has gotten laid.
* Bobby would not have been so rude to her in War At Home when she asked about his mom and then his brother. He completely ignored her and wouldn't even acknowledge that she just spoke to him.
* AND, she would have understood why he was so upset at having to work that case when his mother needed him so much and she wouldn't have ignored his pain with the "you do that" comment and walking away after the interrogation.
* Eames wants to be more than her job (from The War at Home).
* In "Endgame" Bobby would have said, "trust me, Alex."
* Cause Captain Jryan says so.
* Eames doesn't want another husband who is a cop, since her heart was broken once, when Joe died.
* The two prominent LOCI characters who thought Bobby and Eames WERE a couple are Frank and Frances Goren. Not exactly sparkling, observant character witnesses, since Frank is an addict and Mom Goren was only going on what Frank said.
* Cuz the NoRomos are such a great group of people, too.
* When it comes to SHIPPYNESS, the BORG from ST said it best: Resistance to SHIPPYNESS is Futile.
* The noromos are cool kids.
* The NoRomos are AwEsOmE!
* If Bobby and Eames were in a relationship, she wouldn't have to ask him during work hours about his mother or brother. She would already know since they would discuss personal issues when they were alone. (They spend no time alone together outside of work.
* Judy won't let it happen.
* #69 Goren and Eames don't go that way! Ewwwww no way jose.
* Because they are more like brother and sister and that would be like....ew....
* Alex is still in love with her deceased husband.
* Alex likes blonds (Joe).
* In POI Eames asked if "he was able to get any sleep last night." If they were lovers, she wouldn't ask that question and if they were lovers, he wouldn't have spent five nights in a row eating...alone.
*Alex is still in love with her deceased husband.
*Alex likes blonds (Joe).
* After Eames broke the news to Deakins about her pregnancy, she told Goren, "When the time comes, you'll get a temporary partner." Goren's reaction is..."I never thought about that." If they were that close, they would have discussed a temporary partner so he wouldn't have been so disarmed by her absence.
* If Goren and Eames were 'in love', Eames would NOT be amused when women make 'googly' eyes at Bobby. The fact that she does find it amusing, is proof, yet again that they are not shippy.
* If Goren and Eames were romantically involved, she would have known he not only reads his Smithsonian magazine - she would have known it fit perfectly on his treadmill. (She didn't because they're not!)
* Eames would also know Goren's taste in art would be the hot, sweaty nudes. The art he likes to think about.
* You can be protective of someone without wanting to sleep with them.
* No man likes to see a woman cry - the fact that Bobby has a hard time with Alex crying does not mean he's in love with her. It means he's a man (and what a man) and is incomfortable with his partner crying since he doesn't know what to say.
* Because, if he loved her in a "lover" way...he would have grabbed hold of her when she was crying and held her close to comfort and protect her! It would have just been instinct.
* If he loved her in a "lover" way...he would have grabbed hold of her when she was crying and held her close to comfort and protect her! It would have just been instinct.
* Nothing ruins a good crime show more than romance! Where he'd step in when Eames were in trouble, he'd do it because she's the partner. I've never seen him look at Eames as if he were in love.
* If Goren liked Eames as more then a friend, he would have been jealous of Eames spending time with Peter because she was romantically interested in him. Instead he was annoyed because she spent time away from their working partnership.
Now to those who may say that Peter and Goren didn't get along in the episode, I agree. But I think that had much more to do with Peter's reluctance to 'eavesdrop' on the suspects (difference in police procedures) then Goren's personal feelings about Peter.
* Cuz although we all would love to see how Goren makes love to a woman, we don't want it to be Eames.
* Goren likes brunettes, not blonds like Eames (see Irene from season 1).
*Goren's NoRomo bodyguards (along with the rest of the lovely crew) would never allow Goren to be kidnapped and sentenced to the USS Relationship!
* Eames doesn't like cats, Goren loves animals.
* Bobby ordered veal parmesan five nights in a row to watch the waitress write it down.
* IF Bobby had 'shippy' feelings for Alex, his own feelings would have been hurt when she read the letter requesting another partner in court. Instead, he understood as a friend/partner that he's an 'acquired taste' and never gave it another thought.
* If Bobby and Alex were having sex, he wouldn't be having all this built up anger and frustration. He would be more mellow. He looks like a man who needs to get laid, not like a man who has gotten laid.
* Bobby would not have been so rude to her in War At Home when she asked about his mom and then his brother. He completely ignored her and wouldn't even acknowledge that she just spoke to him.
* AND, she would have understood why he was so upset at having to work that case when his mother needed him so much and she wouldn't have ignored his pain with the "you do that" comment and walking away after the interrogation.
* Eames wants to be more than her job (from The War at Home).
* In "Endgame" Bobby would have said, "trust me, Alex."
* Cause Captain Jryan says so.
* Eames doesn't want another husband who is a cop, since her heart was broken once, when Joe died.
* The two prominent LOCI characters who thought Bobby and Eames WERE a couple are Frank and Frances Goren. Not exactly sparkling, observant character witnesses, since Frank is an addict and Mom Goren was only going on what Frank said.
* Cuz the NoRomos are such a great group of people, too.
* When it comes to SHIPPYNESS, the BORG from ST said it best: Resistance to SHIPPYNESS is Futile.
* The noromos are cool kids.
* The NoRomos are AwEsOmE!
* If Bobby and Eames were in a relationship, she wouldn't have to ask him during work hours about his mother or brother. She would already know since they would discuss personal issues when they were alone. (They spend no time alone together outside of work.
* Judy won't let it happen.
* #69 Goren and Eames don't go that way! Ewwwww no way jose.
* Because they are more like brother and sister and that would be like....ew....
* Alex is still in love with her deceased husband.
* Alex likes blonds (Joe).
* In POI Eames asked if "he was able to get any sleep last night." If they were lovers, she wouldn't ask that question and if they were lovers, he wouldn't have spent five nights in a row eating...alone.
*Alex is still in love with her deceased husband.
*Alex likes blonds (Joe).
* After Eames broke the news to Deakins about her pregnancy, she told Goren, "When the time comes, you'll get a temporary partner." Goren's reaction is..."I never thought about that." If they were that close, they would have discussed a temporary partner so he wouldn't have been so disarmed by her absence.
* If Goren and Eames were 'in love', Eames would NOT be amused when women make 'googly' eyes at Bobby. The fact that she does find it amusing, is proof, yet again that they are not shippy.
* If Goren and Eames were romantically involved, she would have known he not only reads his Smithsonian magazine - she would have known it fit perfectly on his treadmill. (She didn't because they're not!)
* Eames would also know Goren's taste in art would be the hot, sweaty nudes. The art he likes to think about.
* You can be protective of someone without wanting to sleep with them.
* No man likes to see a woman cry - the fact that Bobby has a hard time with Alex crying does not mean he's in love with her. It means he's a man (and what a man) and is incomfortable with his partner crying since he doesn't know what to say.
* Because, if he loved her in a "lover" way...he would have grabbed hold of her when she was crying and held her close to comfort and protect her! It would have just been instinct.
* If he loved her in a "lover" way...he would have grabbed hold of her when she was crying and held her close to comfort and protect her! It would have just been instinct.
* Nothing ruins a good crime show more than romance! Where he'd step in when Eames were in trouble, he'd do it because she's the partner. I've never seen him look at Eames as if he were in love.
* If Goren liked Eames as more then a friend, he would have been jealous of Eames spending time with Peter because she was romantically interested in him. Instead he was annoyed because she spent time away from their working partnership.
Now to those who may say that Peter and Goren didn't get along in the episode, I agree. But I think that had much more to do with Peter's reluctance to 'eavesdrop' on the suspects (difference in police procedures) then Goren's personal feelings about Peter.
* Cuz although we all would love to see how Goren makes love to a woman, we don't want it to be Eames.
* Goren likes brunettes, not blonds like Eames (see Irene from season 1).
*Goren's NoRomo bodyguards (along with the rest of the lovely crew) would never allow Goren to be kidnapped and sentenced to the USS Relationship!
* Eames doesn't like cats, Goren loves animals.
*Eames and Goren can't even agree on what food and drink to enjoy.
Ahhh.....the good old days. This brings back happy memories. And they are still true....the serious ones, of course.
Ok so... Here's a crazy idea I got about half an hour ago.
How about a comparaison between Bobby's reactions in the episode Eames is kidnapped and Logan's reactions to Max's death? As ciaddict, I think they are very very very similar. Same feelings involved.
I'm starting with the episode of Max's death. Then I'll caption scenes from the episode with Bobby.
I fast-forwarded the episode and stopped here and there.
Here it is...
Max being shot / Logan crying out his wife's name on the phone
Funeral
There was some enditement problem. The others were talking, he just stands there. Then he says the killer is not a pro...
One of the many faces he does at his first session with Dr. Olivet. It goes from bored to annoyed to pissed off to "Great, I can leave now"... Denial Step
He leaves, saying more than once that he is "fine".
Back at the office, looking at Max's desk. Probably already on the next step (anger?)
Please, don't put me off the case
Heck, I am so NOT off this case!
He just asked Cragen how he feels about this [Max's death]
Cragen replied that he's fine. Woooops, Olivet was right...
I'm done for now. There are other scenes later when he either loses it or comes to terms with the situation and seems to be more objective/reasonable. I'll post them next time. Then of course, I am going to do the same with Bobby's episode.
If this comparing thing is too boring, just tell me, lol.
Also, if you have any caption requests, feel free to ask...
Addendum Edit: One of the names Max was supposed to pull out at the trial was a certain Jimmy "The Mop" D'Onofrio, LMAO...
How about a comparaison between Bobby's reactions in the episode Eames is kidnapped and Logan's reactions to Max's death? As ciaddict, I think they are very very very similar. Same feelings involved.
I'm starting with the episode of Max's death. Then I'll caption scenes from the episode with Bobby.
I fast-forwarded the episode and stopped here and there.
Here it is...
Max being shot / Logan crying out his wife's name on the phone
Funeral
There was some enditement problem. The others were talking, he just stands there. Then he says the killer is not a pro...
One of the many faces he does at his first session with Dr. Olivet. It goes from bored to annoyed to pissed off to "Great, I can leave now"... Denial Step
He leaves, saying more than once that he is "fine".
Back at the office, looking at Max's desk. Probably already on the next step (anger?)
Please, don't put me off the case
Heck, I am so NOT off this case!
He just asked Cragen how he feels about this [Max's death]
Cragen replied that he's fine. Woooops, Olivet was right...
I'm done for now. There are other scenes later when he either loses it or comes to terms with the situation and seems to be more objective/reasonable. I'll post them next time. Then of course, I am going to do the same with Bobby's episode.
If this comparing thing is too boring, just tell me, lol.
Also, if you have any caption requests, feel free to ask...
Addendum Edit: One of the names Max was supposed to pull out at the trial was a certain Jimmy "The Mop" D'Onofrio, LMAO...
QUOTE (globetrottersara @ Aug 14 2009, 12:25 PM)
Ok so... Here's a crazy idea I got about half an hour ago.
How about a comparaison between Bobby's reactions in the episode Eames is kidnapped and Logan's reactions to Max's death? As ciaddict, I think they are very very very similar. Same feelings involved.
I'm starting with the episode of Max's death. Then I'll caption scenes from the episode with Bobby.
I fast-forwarded the episode and stopped here and there.
Here it is...
Max being shot / Logan crying out his wife's name on the phone
Funeral
There was some enditement problem. The others were talking, he just stands there. Then he says the killer is not a pro...
One of the many faces he does at his first session with Dr. Olivet. It goes from bored to annoyed to pissed off to "Great, I can leave now"... Denial Step
He leaves, saying more than once that he is "fine".
Back at the office, looking at Max's desk. Probably already on the next step (anger?)
Please, don't put me off the case
Heck, I am so NOT off this case!
He just asked Cragen how he feels about this [Max's death]
Cragen replied that he's fine. Woooops, Olivet was right...
I'm done for now. There are other scenes later when he either loses it or comes to terms with the situation and seems to be more objective/reasonable. I'll post them next time. Then of course, I am going to do the same with Bobby's episode.
If this comparing thing is too boring, just tell me, lol.
Also, if you have any caption requests, feel free to ask...
Addendum Edit: One of the names Max was supposed to pull out at the trial was a certain Jimmy "The Mop" D'Onofrio, LMAO...
How about a comparaison between Bobby's reactions in the episode Eames is kidnapped and Logan's reactions to Max's death? As ciaddict, I think they are very very very similar. Same feelings involved.
I'm starting with the episode of Max's death. Then I'll caption scenes from the episode with Bobby.
I fast-forwarded the episode and stopped here and there.
Here it is...
Max being shot / Logan crying out his wife's name on the phone
Funeral
There was some enditement problem. The others were talking, he just stands there. Then he says the killer is not a pro...
One of the many faces he does at his first session with Dr. Olivet. It goes from bored to annoyed to pissed off to "Great, I can leave now"... Denial Step
He leaves, saying more than once that he is "fine".
Back at the office, looking at Max's desk. Probably already on the next step (anger?)
Please, don't put me off the case
Heck, I am so NOT off this case!
He just asked Cragen how he feels about this [Max's death]
Cragen replied that he's fine. Woooops, Olivet was right...
I'm done for now. There are other scenes later when he either loses it or comes to terms with the situation and seems to be more objective/reasonable. I'll post them next time. Then of course, I am going to do the same with Bobby's episode.
If this comparing thing is too boring, just tell me, lol.
Also, if you have any caption requests, feel free to ask...
Addendum Edit: One of the names Max was supposed to pull out at the trial was a certain Jimmy "The Mop" D'Onofrio, LMAO...
I love it! Please, please continue!
Goren and Eames:
Partners
And BFF's!
Partners
And BFF's!
*opening the pandora's box*
here we go...
Logan and Cerreta "interviewing" some guy...
Warm up
Fire in the hole...
Final Stink Eye
Then...
Interrogation room. They question the suspect's father. He says nothing, stands still all the time.
End of the scene in the interrogation room. Seems like he already figured out what to do...
...and pays a visit to the old man later.
*scene where he follows the guy... almost blows his head off... captions are in my first post*
Then... back at the precinct
Left out of the interrogation room this time, might be thinking of returning his badge and go auditioning for Twilight.
And I'm done for today, lol. Time zones, ya know... Gotta get a power nap
here we go...
Logan and Cerreta "interviewing" some guy...
Warm up
Fire in the hole...
Final Stink Eye
Then...
Interrogation room. They question the suspect's father. He says nothing, stands still all the time.
End of the scene in the interrogation room. Seems like he already figured out what to do...
...and pays a visit to the old man later.
*scene where he follows the guy... almost blows his head off... captions are in my first post*
Then... back at the precinct
Left out of the interrogation room this time, might be thinking of returning his badge and go auditioning for Twilight.
And I'm done for today, lol. Time zones, ya know... Gotta get a power nap
QUOTE (globetrottersara @ Aug 14 2009, 02:18 PM)
*opening the pandora's box*
here we go...
Logan and Cerreta "interviewing" some guy...
Warm up
Fire in the hole...
Final Stink Eye
Then...
Interrogation room. They question the suspect's father. He says nothing, stands still all the time.
End of the scene in the interrogation room. Seems like he already figured out what to do...
...and pays a visit to the old man later.
*scene where he follows the guy... almost blows his head off... captions are in my first post*
Then... back at the precinct
Left out of the interrogation room this time, might be thinking of returning his badge and go auditioning for Twilight.
And I'm done for today, lol. Time zones, ya know... Gotta get a power nap
here we go...
Logan and Cerreta "interviewing" some guy...
Warm up
Fire in the hole...
Final Stink Eye
Then...
Interrogation room. They question the suspect's father. He says nothing, stands still all the time.
End of the scene in the interrogation room. Seems like he already figured out what to do...
...and pays a visit to the old man later.
*scene where he follows the guy... almost blows his head off... captions are in my first post*
Then... back at the precinct
Left out of the interrogation room this time, might be thinking of returning his badge and go auditioning for Twilight.
And I'm done for today, lol. Time zones, ya know... Gotta get a power nap
Thanks Sara! Love it! I've always wanted to be "interrogated" by Goren and Logan...but I hope Logan leaves his "big stick" at home.
That expression when he is looking into the interrogation room is downright SCARY!
QUOTE (ciaddict @ Aug 14 2009, 10:23 PM)
Thanks Sara! Love it! I've always wanted to be "interrogated" by Goren and Logan...but I hope Logan leaves his "big stick" at home. That expression when he is looking into the interrogation room is downright SCARY!
That expression when he is looking into the interrogation room is downright SCARY!You're welcome
We'll just have to remember not to give Logan an axe and let Shelly Duvall walk around, otherwise he might turn into Jack Nicholson in Shining, LMAO...
And I am really off to bed now. C'ya tomorrow guys!
'morning everyone! I'm back
*sipping my 100% Arabica Major coffee*
ok so, here we go...
Man, you screwd up big time. Shouldn't have pointed the gun at the guy's head...
Whatevah...
@#&%! What was I supposed to do? Sit and wait while Max's killer walks out free?
*sipping my 100% Arabica Major coffee*
ok so, here we go...
Man, you screwd up big time. Shouldn't have pointed the gun at the guy's head...
Whatevah...
@#&%! What was I supposed to do? Sit and wait while Max's killer walks out free?
Session #2 with Dr. Olivet
I don't give a damn what people think...
And then 'the anger step': it goes from blank staring Unbreakable-style (ref. initial scene on the train, if you've seen the movie) to sorta Jack Nicholson's impersonation, back to blank staring, back to angry and so on...
I don't give a damn what people think...
And then 'the anger step': it goes from blank staring Unbreakable-style (ref. initial scene on the train, if you've seen the movie) to sorta Jack Nicholson's impersonation, back to blank staring, back to angry and so on...
Last session with Dr. Olivet, the acceptance step
Again, captions in chronological order... expressions vary quite a bit.
That's what the law allows... I can live with it
[The guy got life sentence without parole]
You sure?
Admits going over the line... down on myself for a while... ya know, trying to... rationalize it...
I have to find a way to forgive myself...
Acceptance, Logan...
Is that one of your 7 steps?
mmm... this steps thing is probably true
She just smiles at him
And this is right before the ending credits:
Max is dead. I accept it. But I'll ever accept it, ya know...
I'm done for today. Never really analysed an episode so closely before. I feel a little "Monkish". Guess I need a break before I start captioning Bobby's episode, lol.
Again, captions in chronological order... expressions vary quite a bit.
That's what the law allows... I can live with it
[The guy got life sentence without parole]
You sure?
Admits going over the line... down on myself for a while... ya know, trying to... rationalize it...
I have to find a way to forgive myself...
Acceptance, Logan...
Is that one of your 7 steps?
mmm... this steps thing is probably true
She just smiles at him
And this is right before the ending credits:
Max is dead. I accept it. But I'll ever accept it, ya know...
I'm done for today. Never really analysed an episode so closely before. I feel a little "Monkish". Guess I need a break before I start captioning Bobby's episode, lol.
Nice work, Sara! This is great stuff. I think I'm falling in love with Logan all over again.
I don't know if our shipper friends are reading this, but to me being reminded of Logan's reactions when his partner was killed just puts to rest any shippy ideas about Goren's reactions when Eames was kidnapped. But if you are reading, guys, I know this won't change any minds. So...ship on.
I don't know if our shipper friends are reading this, but to me being reminded of Logan's reactions when his partner was killed just puts to rest any shippy ideas about Goren's reactions when Eames was kidnapped. But if you are reading, guys, I know this won't change any minds. So...ship on.
Well, let's just say that if I was an actress and I was given Dr. Olivet's part, I would have been a very, very bad therapist. He would have probably had a hard time finishing his few sentences, due to the therapist's ad-libbing / off-script initiative... j/k
Watching the episode so closely, what striked me the most is how quickly Logan changes expressions. In a couple of scenes, Noth goes from opposite feelings so quickly it does give me the impression that Logan is confused, doesn't know how to deal with all his feelings, probably doesn't even know what exactly he is feeling. One second it's anger, then you don't know what's on his mind, he just stares at the emptyness. One second the anger is tamed inside, the next second you think he's gonna destroy everything and everyone within close range.
I think this does show indeed, how overwhelming an event such as the sudden death of his partner can be. The two were obviously very close, like it's been said in the previous pages of this thread.
And there are things one can deal with on his/her own, but we sometimes need a little help from someone else (in this case, Dr. Olivet).
Right now I don't remember exactly the entire episode with Eames kidnapping, so I cannot tell right away if all these points are equally seen there too.
One thing for sure... 'Blind Spot' was a heck of a way to open a season!
Oh, another thing that just came to my mind... Those sessions with Olivet reminded me of something I read years ago, about head movements when thinking. Long story short: when talking face-to-face with someone and being asked something, in the moment you are thinking of a reply, for instance, if you lower your look on the left it means you don't know the reply and you are looking for one or thinking ahead... While if you lower your look on the right, it means you do know the reply or you are thinking of something specific, like an event or a memory, for example.
I think it's a general rule, not everyone does it nor does it all the time...
I may be wrong in my description, though. I shall make a little research on that. If anyone knows more on this topic, feel free to write about it. I'll be happy to find more info
I bet Bobby would know about this body language thing...
j/kWatching the episode so closely, what striked me the most is how quickly Logan changes expressions. In a couple of scenes, Noth goes from opposite feelings so quickly it does give me the impression that Logan is confused, doesn't know how to deal with all his feelings, probably doesn't even know what exactly he is feeling. One second it's anger, then you don't know what's on his mind, he just stares at the emptyness. One second the anger is tamed inside, the next second you think he's gonna destroy everything and everyone within close range.
I think this does show indeed, how overwhelming an event such as the sudden death of his partner can be. The two were obviously very close, like it's been said in the previous pages of this thread.
And there are things one can deal with on his/her own, but we sometimes need a little help from someone else (in this case, Dr. Olivet).
Right now I don't remember exactly the entire episode with Eames kidnapping, so I cannot tell right away if all these points are equally seen there too.
One thing for sure... 'Blind Spot' was a heck of a way to open a season!
Oh, another thing that just came to my mind... Those sessions with Olivet reminded me of something I read years ago, about head movements when thinking. Long story short: when talking face-to-face with someone and being asked something, in the moment you are thinking of a reply, for instance, if you lower your look on the left it means you don't know the reply and you are looking for one or thinking ahead... While if you lower your look on the right, it means you do know the reply or you are thinking of something specific, like an event or a memory, for example.
I think it's a general rule, not everyone does it nor does it all the time...
I may be wrong in my description, though. I shall make a little research on that. If anyone knows more on this topic, feel free to write about it. I'll be happy to find more info
I bet Bobby would know about this body language thing...
Goren and Eames will never ship because
when you combine matter and antimatter
they explode and disappear in an intense
blast of light.
when you combine matter and antimatter
they explode and disappear in an intense
blast of light.
True, Enaka...
Heck, makes me feel bad I started watching the show when I was about 12. I was such a precocious kid
Btw... Nice to meet you, Enaka
lol @ chimera!
gone wearing safety goggles...
*poof*
Heck, makes me feel bad I started watching the show when I was about 12. I was such a precocious kid
Btw... Nice to meet you, Enaka
lol @ chimera!
gone wearing safety goggles...
*poof*
QUOTE (globetrottersara @ Aug 15 2009, 12:35 PM)
True, Enaka...
Heck, makes me feel bad I started watching the show when I was about 12. I was such a precocious kid
Btw... Nice to meet you, Enaka
lol @ chimera!
gone wearing safety goggles...
*poof*
Heck, makes me feel bad I started watching the show when I was about 12. I was such a precocious kid
Btw... Nice to meet you, Enaka
lol @ chimera!
gone wearing safety goggles...
*poof*
Well, I was 33 when I started watching and fell madly in love with Logan. I was SO angry when they sent him packing. I tried really hard to hate Rey Curtis, but who could hate Rey. He grew on Lennie and he grew on me. And Logan was the reason I started watching LOCI....and then I fell madly in love with another man...the incomparable Robert Goren! And in the last episode, I fell in love with Zach Nichols. Ahh...the men of the Law and Order universe!
Oh yeah, almost forgot. Just in case anyone has forgotten.
NO SHIPPING!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTE (ciaddict @ Aug 16 2009, 01:09 AM)
Well, I was 33 when I started watching and fell madly in love with Logan. I was SO angry when they sent him packing. I tried really hard to hate Rey Curtis, but who could hate Rey. He grew on Lennie and he grew on me. And Logan was the reason I started watching LOCI....and then I fell madly in love with another man...the incomparable Robert Goren! And in the last episode, I fell in love with Zach Nichols. Ahh...the men of the Law and Order universe!
Honey, I see some pretty serious commitment issues here. You keep hopping from crush to crush! LMAO...
ok, here we go with Blind Spot
A few things before the captions start...
Eames is kidnapped at about half the episode. Before that, there's the whole Declan's return thing, Ross reminding Eames she's the Senior partner, Eames keeping Goren "in check", Goren smiling a bit too much (IMO, lol) when he sees Declan or even right before seeing him, when he mentions his name and is talking to Declan's daughter. Eyes seem to sparkle a bit too much, lol... who the heck is this Declan guy?! We'll find out later...
One thing... Bobby's smashing Declan so violently could also be because he knows the guy. Feeling of betrayal steps in, not only deep concern for his partner.
Then... Eames kidnapped. Bobby gets a txt message from "her"
Opens elevator and runs back to the office...
Tosses the cell to a colleague tell him to trace the message, runs to Ross...
Looks like he ran the marathon of New York, I think the wardrobe people just trashed the whole suit and shirt directly, forget the dry cleaning, lol...
Most of the time he talks to his feet. Typical of Bobby. His voice is not angry, though some captions may hint some anger. I don't hink it's anger really. It's the way Bobby talks when in distress or deeply bothered by something, he makes all those faces, ya know... Doesn't look you in the eyes...
At first sight, he might also seem very composed. He knows what to do and gives out relevant info (Eames drives home, time frames etc...) Seems to me he's freaking out on the inside, but knows he has to keep his temper and use his brain to solve the situation.
This is probably the 'major difference' with Logan's personality, although in Logan's case his partner was shot dead, so he didn't really have to go to his rescue, unlike in Eames' case. Goren has to rescue Eames, Logan has to find Max's killer, possibly alive.
*to be continued*
Brainstorming with Ross... giving out information...
Then Ross starts giving out instructions.
This is maybe when Goren realizes it's all true. Eames really is in serious danger.
Off-topic PS: the victim at the beginning of the episode is... a redhead! LMAO...
Oh good! ::gets popcorn and settles in for story::
Yes, I think that suit was probably trashed after this episode. He had worn it all day, stayed up all night in it looking at security tapes from the video store, and then ran around in what looked to be VERY hot weather trying to find Eames, then sprawled out on the ground in it. Definitely too late for the dry cleaners.
That's a good point that Bobby's rage towards Declan was not only fear for his partner, but rage at the possibility his mentor could have done such a horrible thing.
Yes, I think that suit was probably trashed after this episode. He had worn it all day, stayed up all night in it looking at security tapes from the video store, and then ran around in what looked to be VERY hot weather trying to find Eames, then sprawled out on the ground in it. Definitely too late for the dry cleaners.
That's a good point that Bobby's rage towards Declan was not only fear for his partner, but rage at the possibility his mentor could have done such a horrible thing.
While we are waiting for Sara to continue the Logan/Goren comparison, I have another thought. There have been suggestions that Alex must be in love with Bobby because she has stayed with him, in spite of his "bending" of rules and the damage it has done to her career. But certainly the formula of crime-fighting partners with one who follows the rules and one who breaks them is not new to LOCI. There are examples in TV shows and movies of the "straight-arrow" partner defending his "loose-cannon" partner from superiors and sticking with his buddy. No romance needed. Even LOCI has given us an example of that with Ross and Nichols. Ross told Nichols that when they were partners he (Ross) almost got suspended every week. Yet there is no hint that Ross requested another partner; it certainly sounds like they continued as partners up until Nichols took 7 year sabbatical. And since they were both detectives back then, it would seem that Ross's climb up the ladder to captain has taken place in Nichols' absence. Would Ross still be a detective, partnered rule-breaking but brilliant Nichols, if Nichols had not left? Who knows? But I really don't see any hint of romance between the two men.
QUOTE (ciaddict @ Aug 16 2009, 06:25 PM)
While we are waiting for Sara to continue the Logan/Goren comparison, I have another thought. There have been suggestions that Alex must be in love with Bobby because she has stayed with him, in spite of his "bending" of rules and the damage it has done to her career. But certainly the formula of crime-fighting partners with one who follows the rules and one who breaks them is not new to LOCI. There are examples in TV shows and movies of the "straight-arrow" partner defending his "loose-cannon" partner from superiors and sticking with his buddy. No romance needed. Even LOCI has given us an example of that with Ross and Nichols. Ross told Nichols that when they were partners he (Ross) almost got suspended every week. Yet there is no hint that Ross requested another partner; it certainly sounds like they continued as partners up until Nichols took 7 year sabbatical. And since they were both detectives back then, it would seem that Ross's climb up the ladder to captain has taken place in Nichols' absence. Would Ross still be a detective, partnered rule-breaking but brilliant Nichols, if Nichols had not left? Who knows? But I really don't see any hint of romance between the two men.
Good point, ciaddict. I thought the same thing when Ross made mention that he faced getting suspended every week while he and Nichols were partners. And TV history is full of the 'straight arrow/loose cannon partners' - none of which were romantically involved.
Of course, while folks think that Eames sticking by Goren means that she's 'in love' with him, they have to remember too the famous 'too late' comment from "Smile". If she truly believes that Goren has tainted her career, and her reputation is damaged by having backed his 'loose cannon' ways, she may remain his partner because she simply feels she has 'no choice' - which leads us to her 'water carrier' comment in Purgatory, her resentment seemed to run deeper than just being kept in the dark about Goren being undercover...
Now, I'm not inferring that Goren is a bad partner - I ADORE the man, but I'm looking at this based on the end of Smile and the sense of hoplessness in Eames voice when she makes that comment.
Oh, and GLOBETROTTERSARA - I love your Logan comparison. I am an L&O lover from way back and the entire reason I watched the show was Chris Noth's Logan. The man is an incredible actor and his facial expressions say just as much or more than words ever could! Thank you for posting these. I'm thoroughly enjoying them.
I was just reviewing Globetrottersara's previous posts and wanted to add that I agree with the interpretation of Bobby's reaction in Blind Spot.
Declan Gage is Bobby's mentor and hero. A role model that Bobby looks up to and has tried to emulate in his own police work. When Eames goes missing and it begins to look like Declan is involved, Bobby's reactions are a combination of anger and disappointment that Declan, the man he idoloizes, could be involved in something so horrible. And then his sense of guilt kicks in, the outrage that Eames is a victim because of Bobby's connection to Declan. He needs to save his partner, to be able to assauge his guilt and the fact that she's been kidnapped, but again, his reactions are no more 'shippy' than Logan's when Max was shot.
There are other factors in Blind Spot that play on Bobby's emotions as stated previously. It has nothing to do with being 'in love'. It's the loss of respect for Declan - the knowledge that Bobby's losing the man he looked to in an almost paternal role and the fact that he'd do what he needs to to find his partner and save her from being another victim because of his connection to Declan.
And there may be a bit of frustration with Bobby himself - he knows he needs to think clearly and be rational, but he's distracted by Declan's involvement which again, leads to Bobby's anger and inability to function to his full capacity.
Does this make sense? It's late and past my bedtime.
Declan Gage is Bobby's mentor and hero. A role model that Bobby looks up to and has tried to emulate in his own police work. When Eames goes missing and it begins to look like Declan is involved, Bobby's reactions are a combination of anger and disappointment that Declan, the man he idoloizes, could be involved in something so horrible. And then his sense of guilt kicks in, the outrage that Eames is a victim because of Bobby's connection to Declan. He needs to save his partner, to be able to assauge his guilt and the fact that she's been kidnapped, but again, his reactions are no more 'shippy' than Logan's when Max was shot.
There are other factors in Blind Spot that play on Bobby's emotions as stated previously. It has nothing to do with being 'in love'. It's the loss of respect for Declan - the knowledge that Bobby's losing the man he looked to in an almost paternal role and the fact that he'd do what he needs to to find his partner and save her from being another victim because of his connection to Declan.
And there may be a bit of frustration with Bobby himself - he knows he needs to think clearly and be rational, but he's distracted by Declan's involvement which again, leads to Bobby's anger and inability to function to his full capacity.
Does this make sense? It's late and past my bedtime.
I'm back Sorry it's taking me a while... VDO is running against CN to make way more facial expressions in his 20 minutes frantic acting, lol... No, seriously, they are not 'more' but he alternates so rapidly...
Anyway...
At Eames' house: he gets in first, gets out first... Ross follows him
And here are some captions to show his disbelief in Declan's involment, I think.
Declan pushes him to think rationally, but he can't and / or what he finds out makes him feel worse.
PLUS... he starts getting briefly pissed at Declan.
Then they just have to save the guy from Bobby's fury. Being twice as heavy, Declan didn't have a chance
...at Ross
...at Declan
no, not you?!?
he's so quick this one came out blurry O_o
This one made me think of The Cell
He looks at Declan again in disbelief and then takes some distance
Then again, they 'brainstorm' and Bobby looks blocked, scatches his head, such a mix of feelings he can't think straight and when he does, he doesn't like what he finds as possible outcomes (hints Eames could be tortured...)
Sorry it's taking me a while... VDO is running against CN to make way more facial expressions in his 20 minutes frantic acting, lol... No, seriously, they are not 'more' but he alternates so rapidly...Anyway...
At Eames' house: he gets in first, gets out first... Ross follows him
And here are some captions to show his disbelief in Declan's involment, I think.
Declan pushes him to think rationally, but he can't and / or what he finds out makes him feel worse.
PLUS... he starts getting briefly pissed at Declan.
Then they just have to save the guy from Bobby's fury. Being twice as heavy, Declan didn't have a chance
...at Ross
...at Declan
no, not you?!?
he's so quick this one came out blurry O_o
This one made me think of The Cell
He looks at Declan again in disbelief and then takes some distance
Then again, they 'brainstorm' and Bobby looks blocked, scatches his head, such a mix of feelings he can't think straight and when he does, he doesn't like what he finds as possible outcomes (hints Eames could be tortured...)
Interrogation room...
He leaves the room...
Then, suddenly gets back in! HA!!!
*note to self: do NOT annoy Mr. D'Onofrio
He manages not to touch Declan.... for now
I think some of you ladies are ready for a hug here
off to breakfast... my Major coffee is ready
We'll be back...
Keep the comments coming (time-gap permiting ), love 'em!!
He leaves the room...
Then, suddenly gets back in! HA!!!
*note to self: do NOT annoy Mr. D'Onofrio
He manages not to touch Declan.... for now
I think some of you ladies are ready for a hug here
off to breakfast... my Major coffee is ready
We'll be back...
Keep the comments coming (time-gap permiting
), love 'em!!
in the other room...
Brainstroming again...
Brainstorming going bad...
Hold it hold it hold it...
Figuring out how come Eames' still alive...
My phone call... to you.
You can't be me!
*sbam* I hope they warned Mr. Glover he was about to fly across the room...
Bobby does compose himself back way faster than Logan, though. The whole smashing lasts about 3-4 seconds
Brainstroming again...
Brainstorming going bad...
Hold it hold it hold it...
Figuring out how come Eames' still alive...
My phone call... to you.
You can't be me!
*sbam* I hope they warned Mr. Glover he was about to fly across the room...
Bobby does compose himself back way faster than Logan, though. The whole smashing lasts about 3-4 seconds
More great pictures and captions, Sara! And we also have to remember something else working on Bobby in those scenes...good old sleep deprivation. I know we have the impression that Bobby doesn't sleep a lot anyway, but he had been up all night looking at the security tapes from the video store. In fact, when he got into the elevator he was on his way to "sack out" for an hour as Ross told him...then he gets that text from "Sebastian" and is hit with an adrenaline rush. The emotion, the sleep deprivation, the adrenaline...all make it hard for our usually clear-headed detective to think clearly.
Very true, ciaddict. The sleep deprivation is also mentioned a couple of times again. One I think is when they find the other victim in the trunk, I think Ross says something... And also Declan mentions it later, maybe...
So of course, the whole "I can't think straight" problem is worse in such conditions
This morning I also thought of something, then I forgot to write it down and it slipped away with the Major coffee boost...
I realized that both partners (Greevy and Eames) are the Senior partners, right? If I put myself in either Logan or Goren shoes (and with VDO's shoe size, I think one shoe is enough for both my feet to go snowboarding) I would feel like cr*p for not being a good enough Junior partner. I mean, the Senior sort of watches over the Junior. But who's watching over the Senior? Maybe this could have fueled a sense of guilt because something happened to the partner. Am I going a bit too far?!
So of course, the whole "I can't think straight" problem is worse in such conditions
This morning I also thought of something, then I forgot to write it down and it slipped away with the Major coffee boost...
I realized that both partners (Greevy and Eames) are the Senior partners, right? If I put myself in either Logan or Goren shoes (and with VDO's shoe size, I think one shoe is enough for both my feet to go snowboarding) I would feel like cr*p for not being a good enough Junior partner. I mean, the Senior sort of watches over the Junior. But who's watching over the Senior? Maybe this could have fueled a sense of guilt because something happened to the partner. Am I going a bit too far?!
and on we go...
So... the doggy finds Eames and we then see Bobby visiting her at the hospital. She says he looks like hell. I thought "you should have seen him half an hour ago, haha".
He sits next to her and I did try to cpation the scene but heck, I had some problems. He seems almost detached to me. But it's Bobby, he's a pro at describing/figuring out someone else's feelings and thoughts, but when it comes to express his own feelings... good luck, man.
He may have napped for 10 minutes, slightly fresher look on his face...
The sound of the curtain...
Looks at the curtain...
He asks Eames about it. The curtain seems to help him avoid asking "how are you?" or saying "what the ... I was scared as hell"
Curtain = let's talk about the killer. Plus, when she mentions she didn't scream even if he probably wanted her to, he replies "That's what kept you alive". She says nothing. He adds "I'm sorry" and I don't know if he's sorry for what happpened to her or for the fact that he is so detachely (sp?) talking about the events?! Probably for both...
I take back what I said about the possible nap...
*hug time*
So... the doggy finds Eames and we then see Bobby visiting her at the hospital. She says he looks like hell. I thought "you should have seen him half an hour ago, haha".
He sits next to her and I did try to cpation the scene but heck, I had some problems. He seems almost detached to me. But it's Bobby, he's a pro at describing/figuring out someone else's feelings and thoughts, but when it comes to express his own feelings... good luck, man.
He may have napped for 10 minutes, slightly fresher look on his face...
The sound of the curtain...
Looks at the curtain...
He asks Eames about it. The curtain seems to help him avoid asking "how are you?" or saying "what the ... I was scared as hell"
Curtain = let's talk about the killer. Plus, when she mentions she didn't scream even if he probably wanted her to, he replies "That's what kept you alive". She says nothing. He adds "I'm sorry" and I don't know if he's sorry for what happpened to her or for the fact that he is so detachely (sp?) talking about the events?! Probably for both...
I take back what I said about the possible nap...
*hug time*
Quick shower and then off to work again...
He starts his crime scene thing. Nothing seems to hint Declan's been there.
Ross reminds Bobby that Declan is a professional and would have known how to fool him, basically.
He turns to Ross as his captain tells him to get Declan's confession. Probably still doesn't believe Declan's involved.
you got your partner back... let your mentor go...
He starts his crime scene thing. Nothing seems to hint Declan's been there.
Ross reminds Bobby that Declan is a professional and would have known how to fool him, basically.
He turns to Ross as his captain tells him to get Declan's confession. Probably still doesn't believe Declan's involved.
you got your partner back... let your mentor go...
ah, one thing about being detached at the hospital... It reminded me of how detached Logan was when he visited Phil (second partner in L&O mothership) and Phil and his wife told him he was taking a desk job. Logan did make a couple of surprised expressions, but was quite understanding... on the surface. That's the impression I got, anyway... I might be wrong, of course.
Same thing on Renewal when Wheeler tells Logan she's going to Europe: "And that's it? ... I don't have partner?" Her joking about the leave being temporary and she'd buy him a drink didn't work. He didn't make any further comment and quickly focused back on the case reading some report, if I remember correctly.
But we know Logan's not completely careless about Wheeler, he does ask her if she's coming back in the end, even if she had already told him she was coming back.
So... I'd like to listen to your opinions on this "detached" behavior of both Goren and Logan. Might be some sort of denial attitude.
Same thing on Renewal when Wheeler tells Logan she's going to Europe: "And that's it? ... I don't have partner?" Her joking about the leave being temporary and she'd buy him a drink didn't work. He didn't make any further comment and quickly focused back on the case reading some report, if I remember correctly.
But we know Logan's not completely careless about Wheeler, he does ask her if she's coming back in the end, even if she had already told him she was coming back.
So... I'd like to listen to your opinions on this "detached" behavior of both Goren and Logan. Might be some sort of denial attitude.
Final scene... he figured it's not Declan and goes teasing his daughter
Listens to her... seems surprised she knows about his mother... apologizes for never noticing her...
Joe... it's time.
He almost whispers the words and before and after saying that he looks away from her.
IMO, he feels horrible if he had never known Declan, none of this wuld have ever happened to Eames.
For a very breif moment... The Cell again. Or Jack Nicholson. You pick one...
I think maybe there's a mix of disgust and sorry here...
Well, we can't see much like on Logan's caption
But here he is... Suggestion box is wide open as to how many different thoughts are crossing his mind in just one nano-second.
*hug time again!*
Ending scene.
You all know I'm not a shipper, but I hope they were not talking about "work" here, lol... Maybe he finally managed to ask her "how are you?" lol...
Listens to her... seems surprised she knows about his mother... apologizes for never noticing her...
Joe... it's time.
He almost whispers the words and before and after saying that he looks away from her.
IMO, he feels horrible if he had never known Declan, none of this wuld have ever happened to Eames.
For a very breif moment... The Cell again. Or Jack Nicholson. You pick one...
I think maybe there's a mix of disgust and sorry here...
Well, we can't see much like on Logan's caption
But here he is... Suggestion box is wide open as to how many different thoughts are crossing his mind in just one nano-second.
*hug time again!*
Ending scene.
You all know I'm not a shipper, but I hope they were not talking about "work" here, lol... Maybe he finally managed to ask her "how are you?" lol...
QUOTE (globetrottersara @ Aug 17 2009, 05:56 AM)
ah, one thing about being detached at the hospital... It reminded me of how detached Logan was when he visited Phil (second partner in L&O mothership) and Phil and his wife told him he was taking a desk job. Logan did make a couple of surprised expressions, but was quite understanding... on the surface. That's the impression I got, anyway... I might be wrong, of course.
Same thing on Renewal when Wheeler tells Logan she's going to Europe: "And that's it? ... I don't have partner?" Her joking about the leave being temporary and she'd buy him a drink didn't work. He didn't make any further comment and quickly focused back on the case reading some report, if I remember correctly.
But we know Logan's not completely careless about Wheeler, he does ask her if she's coming back in the end, even if she had already told him she was coming back.
So... I'd like to listen to your opinions on this "detached" behavior of both Goren and Logan. Might be some sort of denial attitude.
Same thing on Renewal when Wheeler tells Logan she's going to Europe: "And that's it? ... I don't have partner?" Her joking about the leave being temporary and she'd buy him a drink didn't work. He didn't make any further comment and quickly focused back on the case reading some report, if I remember correctly.
But we know Logan's not completely careless about Wheeler, he does ask her if she's coming back in the end, even if she had already told him she was coming back.
So... I'd like to listen to your opinions on this "detached" behavior of both Goren and Logan. Might be some sort of denial attitude.
I've been trying to remember the episode where Phil was shot. I guess I haven't watched that one as many times as the one where Max died. Poor Logan....although it's never been said on the show itself, there seems to be a common belief that Goren had gone through a lot of partners before Eames came along. But with Logan we know...poor guy has had a terrible time holding onto partners!
I think you've made a good point about Goren and Logan having this detached behavior. I may be reaching here, but I think Logan tries to cover his feelings because he doesn't want to feel like the scared little boy who was abused by his alcoholic mother. Goren tries to cover his because he has always had to be responsible for others. I think that's where "I'm sorry" comes from. He feels responsible: Eames was kidnapped because of his connection to Declan, he thinks he should have recognized Jo's pathology, he couldn't find Eames (remember...she saved herself, Goren didn't get to be the white knight). I know I'm really stretching here, but I think it goes back to his childhood feelings of "if I'm good enough, Mom won't act crazy".
OK, I'll put away the pop psychology books now.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Or the head on the nail? no, nail on head...
I agree on both descriptions you give, of Logan and Goren.
It always seemed to me Logan's toughness was to cover up his insecurities, so he had to keep up with his sort of facade. He's never open to talk about his feelings and/or past, unless when forced or pushed to do so. Most of the info we know about his childhood comes from -mostly sarcastic- comments he made with his partners during this or that investigation...
Goren has always been responsible, like you said, and he still is. We get to know about his family and both his mother and brother are still alive for quite a while along the 8 seasons. I mean, the family is still there, his responsabilities are still there. While Logan doesn't really have to keep an eye on his mother's liquors stash anymore. This is *past* for Logan, but family is still *present* for Goren. So maybe he grew up with this bug of being the responsible one, for everything and everyone.
Although, was Logan's mother still alive at the time Max died? Never thought about this...
Anyway Logan didn't really do anything wrong. There was a trial going on, witnesses etc. Max would have been killed anyway, probably.
Goren instead... I bet he can't help thinking:
- what if I had never met Declan?
- what if I had noticed Jo years ago?
- I should have understood her problems...
- I should have found Eames myself...
If Logan said "I should have been there with Max", which is a bit stupid anyway, coz Max was going back home. Logan being there with him would have been very unlikely; but that's what could cross someone's mind when they kill your partner...
Well, if he said that, we could reply: it wouldn't have changed anything and you would have been killed both.
While for Goren is different... HE could have changed the events. Not only he is part of the cause, but he could also be part of the solution.
So I think they both look detached, but for different reasons. Plus, it's easy to become numb to strangers pain, but when it hits you or someone you know or you have been working with for a while, it is definitely a different story. You cannot be numb, but you are so used to be numb that maybe you don't even know how to let your feelings go.
OK enough, lol...
And now I'm going to have a coffee with my friend Adrian Monk
Addendum edit:
I don't remember seeing Phil being shot. I just remember in the first episode with Lennie, Logan visits Phil at the hospital and is told that Lennie isn't his temporary partner anymore.
I agree on both descriptions you give, of Logan and Goren.
It always seemed to me Logan's toughness was to cover up his insecurities, so he had to keep up with his sort of facade. He's never open to talk about his feelings and/or past, unless when forced or pushed to do so. Most of the info we know about his childhood comes from -mostly sarcastic- comments he made with his partners during this or that investigation...
Goren has always been responsible, like you said, and he still is. We get to know about his family and both his mother and brother are still alive for quite a while along the 8 seasons. I mean, the family is still there, his responsabilities are still there. While Logan doesn't really have to keep an eye on his mother's liquors stash anymore. This is *past* for Logan, but family is still *present* for Goren. So maybe he grew up with this bug of being the responsible one, for everything and everyone.
Although, was Logan's mother still alive at the time Max died? Never thought about this...
Anyway Logan didn't really do anything wrong. There was a trial going on, witnesses etc. Max would have been killed anyway, probably.
Goren instead... I bet he can't help thinking:
- what if I had never met Declan?
- what if I had noticed Jo years ago?
- I should have understood her problems...
- I should have found Eames myself...
If Logan said "I should have been there with Max", which is a bit stupid anyway, coz Max was going back home. Logan being there with him would have been very unlikely; but that's what could cross someone's mind when they kill your partner...
Well, if he said that, we could reply: it wouldn't have changed anything and you would have been killed both.
While for Goren is different... HE could have changed the events. Not only he is part of the cause, but he could also be part of the solution.
So I think they both look detached, but for different reasons. Plus, it's easy to become numb to strangers pain, but when it hits you or someone you know or you have been working with for a while, it is definitely a different story. You cannot be numb, but you are so used to be numb that maybe you don't even know how to let your feelings go.
OK enough, lol...
And now I'm going to have a coffee with my friend Adrian Monk
Addendum edit:
I don't remember seeing Phil being shot. I just remember in the first episode with Lennie, Logan visits Phil at the hospital and is told that Lennie isn't his temporary partner anymore.
Thank you, Judy. I appreciate your support.
Thank you, Judy. As new member, I also appreciate your 'summary of the previous episodes'.
I am sorry you're been personally attacked and I hope things will get better here.
I am sorry you're been personally attacked and I hope things will get better here.
QUOTE (ciaddict @ Aug 18 2009, 06:47 PM)
Thank you, Judy. I appreciate your support.
You're welcome ciaddict. I think that you and KRod are doing an exceptional job. I for one remember what it was like when there were no moderators on the board to keep an eye out for all of us. It's a challenging job and you ladies are doing great!
QUOTE (globetrottersara @ Aug 19 2009, 01:06 AM)
Thank you, Judy. As new member, I also appreciate your 'summary of the previous episodes'.
I am sorry you're been personally attacked and I hope things will get better here.
I am sorry you're been personally attacked and I hope things will get better here.
This actually IS a fun and friendly place to be. Unfortunately, there are times that tempers flare and people act out. JUST like a family. I for one think that we are all accountable for our own actions, regardless of our age, and should be held accountable for those actions. I think that is part of the Moderators job - and to keep personal feelings out of it is a challenge.
What some don't seem to realize is that there is a history before they came. They are not responsible for the history, but need to understand why some of us are a bit cautious. What is seen as 'picking on someone' from their viewpoint, is the result of that 'someone's' previous actions and current behavior combined.
I couldn't agree more, Judy
QUOTE (Judyg @ Aug 19 2009, 06:52 AM)
You're welcome ciaddict. I think that you and KRod are doing an exceptional job. I for one remember what it was like when there were no moderators on the board to keep an eye out for all of us. It's a challenging job and you ladies are doing great!
This actually IS a fun and friendly place to be. Unfortunately, there are times that tempers flare and people act out. JUST like a family. I for one think that we are all accountable for our own actions, regardless of our age, and should be held accountable for those actions. I think that is part of the Moderators job - and to keep personal feelings out of it is a challenge.
What some don't seem to realize is that there is a history before they came. They are not responsible for the history, but need to understand why some of us are a bit cautious. What is seen as 'picking on someone' from their viewpoint, is the result of that 'someone's' previous actions and current behavior combined.
Thanks Judy also for your support! To ciaddict, gts, and Enaka, the best friend's I've ever met here! Thanks all of you! This actually IS a fun and friendly place to be. Unfortunately, there are times that tempers flare and people act out. JUST like a family. I for one think that we are all accountable for our own actions, regardless of our age, and should be held accountable for those actions. I think that is part of the Moderators job - and to keep personal feelings out of it is a challenge.
What some don't seem to realize is that there is a history before they came. They are not responsible for the history, but need to understand why some of us are a bit cautious. What is seen as 'picking on someone' from their viewpoint, is the result of that 'someone's' previous actions and current behavior combined.
QUOTE (globetrottersara @ Aug 17 2009, 06:38 AM)
Final scene... he figured it's not Declan and goes teasing his daughter
Listens to her... seems surprised she knows about his mother... apologizes for never noticing her...
Joe... it's time.
He almost whispers the words and before and after saying that he looks away from her.
IMO, he feels horrible if he had never known Declan, none of this wuld have ever happened to Eames.
For a very breif moment... The Cell again. Or Jack Nicholson. You pick one...
I think maybe there's a mix of disgust and sorry here...
Well, we can't see much like on Logan's caption
But here he is... Suggestion box is wide open as to how many different thoughts are crossing his mind in just one nano-second.
*hug time again!*
Ending scene.
You all know I'm not a shipper, but I hope they were not talking about "work" here, lol... Maybe he finally managed to ask her "how are you?" lol...
Listens to her... seems surprised she knows about his mother... apologizes for never noticing her...
Joe... it's time.
He almost whispers the words and before and after saying that he looks away from her.
IMO, he feels horrible if he had never known Declan, none of this wuld have ever happened to Eames.
For a very breif moment... The Cell again. Or Jack Nicholson. You pick one...
I think maybe there's a mix of disgust and sorry here...
Well, we can't see much like on Logan's caption
But here he is... Suggestion box is wide open as to how many different thoughts are crossing his mind in just one nano-second.
*hug time again!*
Ending scene.
You all know I'm not a shipper, but I hope they were not talking about "work" here, lol... Maybe he finally managed to ask her "how are you?" lol...
Just thought I would try to get back to some actual ship/no ship discussion.
I love this scene! It is one of my all-time favorite arias. The pain on Bobby's face is soooo touching. He hates doing this to this girl he cares about, but it's his job and he will do it. And I've got to say that Martha Plimpton was superb as Jo. The expression on her face as she tells him that she decided to kill Eames and frame her father after her original plan fell through....you know, the plan to kill a couple of girls so that she and her father would have "something to talk about". She looks up at Bobby like a teenager who has been caught TP'ing a neighbors house. Sheepish, but proud at the same time. I mean, it was a really cool plan, right? So it went a little wrong and now she's caught...but the plan was cool. To me it's just chilling that her only thoughts are how torture and murder can be used either to bring her and her father closer, or to punish him if that doesn't work.
So...are we all done with the Logan/Goren comparisons? Have we proved our point? Well, I guess we proved it to ourselves, anyway. How about it, shippers? Did we convince you? Will you be abandoning the USS Relationship for the USS NOROMO en masse?
Naww....I didn't think so.
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