Do yout think that we need an ADA on Criminal Intent?

Discuss.

Yes, even though it takes screen time away from G/E, i like to see the defendants in court and the punishments prescribed.

I voted no. CI really never showed much of the court room anyway, I think having an ADA takes away from the plot. Don't get me wrong, I liked Carver, I just don't think he needs to be replaced.

Yes, I like to know the legal part too. The law, what they can be charge with, what time they will do, sometimes I need closure.

i dont think we need one cuz the show revolves around goren and eames more than anything anyways, but i think that if we were going to have one then we need to bring courtney vance back...that would be awesome

My sentiments exactly!

I miss the DA's role, especially those "three ways" between the DA & the two Detectives. Having a DA also invites courtroom scenes, like Goren on the witness stand in "The Good Doctor" & Eames in "ITWSH."

I voted yes. Vincent said he enjoyed the time in the ADA's office scenes. I like top see a bit of that as well.

Put me in the 'sometimes' column, which to me means 'yes, the way it used to be'. Why did Jonesy leave the show, anyway? I'm not in on the insider scoop stuff.

I said yes, because I think input from the ADA is crucial for helping drive the plot along now and then.

Carver's tension with Goren is a role now mostly taken on by Ross, but I still miss things like "If you ever try and pull one on me like that again, detective, I'll have your badge!"

Absolutely! All the other L&O shows have ADA's, Carver was the one who could get the help G&E needed. Ross is supposed to be the the Captain, does he have a law degree? Bring Fred Thompson back in! I loved him, but he can start again on CI as the ADA, when he was replaced by Sam Waterson.

I voted Sometimes, because not every episode needs to have the ADA, but in other cases I think they would be good to bounce things off of.

Just wanted to add that I like the red headed ADA who was in both Masquerade last season & in the one with the deaf communitiy, her fiancee was murdered (Shoot - mental block on ep title).

She's pretty, she's feisty & she's smart. We always see her as a pain in the a$$, working against Major Case. Why not working for it? Bet she'd be awesome in the courtroom.

Also, possible "sparks" between her & Logan. Don't see much chemistry between her & Goren.

I voted 'sometimes' also. I agree that there are times I want to see some interaction like Goren had with Carver and I'd also like to know what happens to some of the 'creepier' perps for my own closure.

well they mentioned on Law and Order that Sam Waterson is not elected and he isn't sure if he will run for the next term. I wonder if they are leaving an opening for Fred Thompson to come back? Maybe they could bring Sam Waterson over to CI, but after all his years on the original would he be willing to make the change.

I saw that too, how the Hillary clone tried to persuade McCoy to work with her & reminded him that he had to be elected.

Do not want Fred Thompson back, as I really like McCoy as the DA & Lionel Roche as the lead ADA.

And the thought of McCoy haggling with Goren & Eames is too bizarre a concept for me to imagine.

I'm not the best fan of Sam, Fred's the man! I probably understand DJ, why you don't like Fred! Common sense.

I think that if Fred comes back they should keep Waterston and Roache as ADA's and them move de la Garza over to CI. I think that her style would totally fit the show. I'd love to see her go toe to toe with Goren and Logan (neither of which I see her getting along with. I think that she would tolerate Eames, and she and Wheeler would probably get along the best). Her character also needs the kind of development that CI could lend.

I put sometimes. I want Carver back -- Courtney Vance was so good and has a wonderful voice. Loved him in "The Hunt for Red October", too.

I rode the fence too about this question. To have an ADA again would diminish Captain Ross's part because before Carver left, the captain and the DA seem to listen to G/E and then "kick them back into play" and now it is just the captain doing that. I do sometimes miss the legal explainations that Carver gave, but somehow that info gets across or it just isn't that relevant.
I don't like the idea of a female ADA though. I don't want anything that might take away from Eames. She has fought her way up so that she is now almost has an even footing with Goren. She doesn't need to share that spot light again. IMHO
Nila

We definately need an ADA. Who else is going to say the detectives need more evidence?

I miss having an ADA. I miss the lawyer stuff and the threatening to put the perp away for life unless he rolls on his buddy. That still happens but it's so much more fun when a lawyer does it.

???? Uh, Nila? Eames is the Senior Detective in the partnership.

I voted sometimes. I would love to see Carver back, but somehow I don't think it will happen. I did not like the ADA they had in Silencer and Masquerade. Why don't we get Linus Roache?

I meant camera time and script time. Remember when she barely had 3 sentences in a scene?
Nila

Ooops! Sorry for the misunderstanding. You're correct in that respect, I had forgotten about that.....

Another ADA would be great. It's not really Law & Order without the courtroom stuff, not that LOCI ever did as much of that as The Mothership and SVU, did they?

I miss Carver, too. I'd love to see that character again.



Yep, and maybe it means less screen time for Ross...

Oops, did I say that out loud?


spook

No spook, you screamed it!

::snicker::

I most certainly did not scream it. There was no "!!!", just "..."





spook

I heard you loud and clear. I don't remember very many court scenes at all on LOCI - definitely not like L&O and SVU - and imo I'd want Carver or possibly Novak (SVU) if Courtney B. Vance wouldn't/couldn't come back.

I'm trying to remember if C. Vance wanted out or if the character was written out. I'd love to see him back. Novak would work for me, too.


spook

I never knew why C. Vance 'left' LOCI either - I'd love for him to come back and if it wasn't every ep, maybe something could be worked out. Novak's heck on wheels when she gets going. I love watching her on SVU.

I liked having an ADA, but don't know if I would like anyone but Carver. He added a nice balance to Goren's profiling because he keep harping at him to back it up with MOAR EVIDENCE!

Carver: "Speculation, it seems so lonely without evidence by its side."

Didn't he want more money? That's a good reason not to renew his contract. Isn't he married to, Oh that girl who played Tina Turner and anywho got the groove back, those flicks?

I voted sometimes, because it adds to the realism of the show and because there are certain episodes that I definitely want more closure. But I'm fine with a guest role, and as much as I liked Carver and miss him, it might be hard to fine someone good to replace him.

I hear Arthur Branch has some time on his hands.

Yay!

I voted sometimes. I don't think that CI need's an ADA all the time or the courtroom scenes; however an ADA helps 'balance' what the detectives are doing. (Like a 'reality check') Having Carver on the show helped the flow of the story and I think a few episodes have suffered from not having an ADA present. Though it all depends an the actor and the character too. Carver's type of humour combined with his authority/ relationship to the detectives seemed to really add to the show despite him not having a lot of lines.
Is there any 'official' story (like why there are 2 teams of detectives, or Deakins left) as to why Carver left?

Definitely yes, need an ADA. After seeing season 6 and part of 7 with no ADA and some of season 1 and 4 and 5 with an ADA, I say yes. I need the trial and closure of what the perps can get for certain crimes. I also think it's interesting what some perps deal for and if they take the deal or not. I guess I am weird that way in needing to see that. I liked Carver too. I liked seeing Carver and Goren get into it.

Hi, cifan70. I miss the interaction between Carver and Goren, too. Goren was often frustrated cuz he KNEW the perp was guilty but they needed MOAR evidence.


spook

yes! I want an ADA, I need closure on the cases, I want to know what happens.

I miss the ADA... Some of those arias in Carver's office were great. Also, it brings another angle to come at the bad guys which opens up what the writers can do with the stories. I don't think we'll see a regular ADA again because I don't think the show wants to pay another lead, but even a regular recurring character would be better than nothing.

Or even it they would make a comment, Could you imagine, them all having a drink, or just meeting up at the end in Ross' office, and saying "Oh well, at least they took in account his history or child abuse and gave him only 6 years, or they really threw the book at him, he got 25 yrs, or I can't believe the jury found him mentally unstable, and Goren say, well he was, Eames say, so he killed three people and now he could go free in three years? And Goren say, well when he is mentally ill," Imagine the conversations we would now be privey to!.

Or like I once suggested, like the Old Dragnet shows, at the end the announcer would tell you what happened to the guilty. Just to have closure.

I liked Carver as a foil for Bobby, but he was unusual in the law and order world in that he served in large part as comedy relief. Most of the L&OADAs are too self-righteous or self-interested to interact meaningfully with Bobby.

Captain Danny can say just about anything an ADA would and has more honor and credibility as a person interested in Bobby and the case, instead of just the case.

I wouldn't mind seeing an ADA make a fool of his or her self every once in a while, but as a regular character it would be a step backwards. Conformity to the Law & Order brand doesn't make Criminal Intent a better show.

I just don't see how they can call it Law and Order anymore without the Order. I love the Law, especially Bobby, but I miss the closure of the Order. Ooo and Cutter was as tuff as McCoy last night. Even McCoy said so. They could give us Casey Novac!

I call it Criminal Intent. It's too good to be just a subset of that group.

I couldn't do without the Order, either, but I can do without the Law.

Wait, Eames and Goren are the Law, Court is the Order. I just like to know what happens, especially the criminals I kinda feel sympathy for. Just like in Want, you kinda felt sorry for him, I liked knowing what happened to him, even though I didn't like what happened to him. I am not up on Logan's episodes, but the one about the football players, where the mom was the killer, I would have liked to have known how that turned out.

anyone was a fan, of the law and order, alll Order show, Trial by jury? I only caught a few in reruns, wasn't impressed.

Although I do miss Carver, if they ever decide to get a new ADA please don't make him/her anything like Kim Greyleck (can't stand her!). Terri Driver would be an interesting choice, it could create some good tension between her and the detectives.

Speaking of our lovely Courtney Vance, he guest starred on ER as hubby to his RL wife Angela Bassett.

I haven't watched ER in years, but I had to see how they were going to bring Dr Mark Green back. It was a flashback. I was hoping for something a little crazier... like he's haunting the ER and only John Stamos or Angela Bassett can see him, but turns out to have a brain tumor. Or the twin of Mark Green who has been living with the Mong in Laos. Or something. But it was just someone's memory of coming to the ER years before. <sign> Entirely too reasonable.

Oh well, it was nice to see Courtney Vance anyway.

I have a idea, why won't they use the L&O's current ADA Connie Rubroisa as she sometimes switch between the regluar show and CI...because I love her and I would love to see scenetime between her and Goren, her and Nichols...it would be fun.

A.D.A is important in solving cases. He brings different point of view. Detectives collect evidence and everything, but A.D.A. can consider if it´s solid enough to send the bad guys in jail. He directs the detectives the right way, he threatens perps when needed or offers benefits. He is definitely part of staff at 1PP.
But I think there won´t be some regular A.D.A in S8, too. There are no spoilers, there is even no promotion of "the new face" on the show.

I´ve watched F.P.S. epi today, where Deakins, Carver, Bobby and Bishop were discussing the case of network thieves. ADA Carver wanted to leave the office taking his bag. To stop him, Bobby grabbed Carver´s bag and turned him around, like if they were dancing. Just WONDERFUL. Carver looked at Bobby little like .. HUH ?... but he knew him
Whoever it will be, I wish new A.D.A was good-hearted and able to see brilliant work of B/A team.