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daisie2
2 questions:

*Why did the guy kill all 4 people in the beginning? I can understand killing the 2 undercover cops, but the other 2 guys he knew, and one of them he was staying with at the auto place. So I assume they were 'friends'.


*In the end where were they (Goren, Deakins, Carver & Bishop) going? I assume they were going to the cops funeral. But 1) Why would they have been going after work? and 2) Why were they the only 4 to go? They didn't know the officers, and there were other detectives at the station
And if they did indeed go to the cop's funeral, am I to believe they solved this case in less than a week?

Was I the only one that thought the Bonnie & Clyde characters looked like brother & sister?
Kowalski
QUOTE (daisie2 @ Dec 29 2007, 01:35 AM) *
2 questions:

*Why did the guy kill all 4 people in the beginning? I can understand killing the 2 undercover cops, but the other 2 guys he knew, and one of them he was staying with at the auto place. So I assume they were 'friends'.


*In the end where were they (Goren, Deakins, Carver & Bishop) going? I assume they were going to the cops funeral. But 1) Why would they have been going after work? and 2) Why were they the only 4 to go? They didn't know the officers, and there were other detectives at the station
And if they did indeed go to the cop's funeral, am I to believe they solved this case in less than a week?

Was I the only one that thought the Bonnie & Clyde characters looked like brother & sister?


I recall this episode. Just so I make sure we're talking about the same episode, is this the one with the kid who can't read so he draws maps and Bishop (replacing Eames) actually calls them Bonnie and Clyde (nothing against Bishop, but she's like watching the grass grow). The girl just got out of prison, and the rob drug dealer and Goren goes out and says, "we have to have an understanding, the people that did this, they belong to us" and then he slips his card in the waterpipe for them to "call him." They stay in a hotel facing time square?

If that's the episode you are talking about here are my answers to those questions, if not sorry about this long post.

1. He killed the two undercover cops because they were the buyers, he orchestrated this entire "gun sale" even helped make the fake guns (remember they were toys made up to look real). He killed his two partners because he was screwing them over. Money splits evenly between 4 but it splits better between 2 (he and his Bonnie). Also he wasn't even looking for the money, he was there to steal the cop's guns (but I never got teh impression he knew they were police).

2. They were going to the funeral, it did seem like they were going at teh end of a work day, but that could just be a flaw in filming. The office was empty because the other people may have left for the funeral. Also those two undercover police officers were not from their precinct, so I'm certain that precinct turned out, but MCS really doesn't have to go. Bishop adn Goren adn Deakins certainly should attend because they were involved with solving the murders. Carver was there because he prosecuted the murders. But no one else really needs to go.... and extras are expensive.

Bonus Question: yeah, they did look like brother and sister, the bone structure in the face was way too similiar, they had the same jawline, it was eerie.
Jryan
QUOTE (Kowalski @ Dec 29 2007, 08:25 AM) *
I recall this episode. Just so I make sure we're talking about the same episode, is this the one with the kid who can't read so he draws maps and Bishop (replacing Eames) actually calls them Bonnie and Clyde (nothing against Bishop, but she's like watching the grass grow). The girl just got out of prison, and the rob drug dealer and Goren goes out and says, "we have to have an understanding, the people that did this, they belong to us" and then he slips his card in the waterpipe for them to "call him." They stay in a hotel facing time square?

If that's the episode you are talking about here are my answers to those questions, if not sorry about this long post.

1. He killed the two undercover cops because they were the buyers, he orchestrated this entire "gun sale" even helped make the fake guns (remember they were toys made up to look real). He killed his two partners because he was screwing them over. Money splits evenly between 4 but it splits better between 2 (he and his Bonnie). Also he wasn't even looking for the money, he was there to steal the cop's guns (but I never got teh impression he knew they were police).

2. They were going to the funeral, it did seem like they were going at teh end of a work day, but that could just be a flaw in filming. The office was empty because the other people may have left for the funeral. Also those two undercover police officers were not from their precinct, so I'm certain that precinct turned out, but MCS really doesn't have to go. Bishop adn Goren adn Deakins certainly should attend because they were involved with solving the murders. Carver was there because he prosecuted the murders. But no one else really needs to go.... and extras are expensive.

Bonus Question: yeah, they did look like brother and sister, the bone structure in the face was way too similiar, they had the same jawline, it was eerie.



Just a correction to #1. He needed the money to bail the girl out of Jail, thats why the cop said, it was the min. buy, thats why they jumped at the sale. He couldn't split the money he needed it to bail his girl friend out of jail. He took the gun as a coming home gift.

I am sure lots of cops go to funerals that are not from their precincts, also maybe the bodies aren't released until the crime is solved? Was it the funeral or the wake? I don't remember. If it was the wake it could be at night.
daisie2
QUOTE (Jryan @ Dec 29 2007, 10:44 AM) *
I am sure lots of cops go to funerals that are not from their precincts, also maybe the bodies aren't released until the crime is solved? Was it the funeral or the wake? I don't remember. If it was the wake it could be at night.

I never thought about that. They never said what it was. I just thought it was a funeral. totally forgot about wakes. (never been to either)
Bubba_Bridges
Hi Bubba here, Admin merge this with the episode thread. Thanks.
Kowalski
QUOTE (Jryan @ Dec 29 2007, 10:44 AM) *
Just a correction to #1. He needed the money to bail the girl out of Jail, thats why the cop said, it was the min. buy, thats why they jumped at the sale. He couldn't split the money he needed it to bail his girl friend out of jail. He took the gun as a coming home gift.

I am sure lots of cops go to funerals that are not from their precincts, also maybe the bodies aren't released until the crime is solved? Was it the funeral or the wake? I don't remember. If it was the wake it could be at night.


Jryan, thanks babe, you are dead on accurate.
AMD
bugtussle47
QUOTE (Kowalski @ Dec 29 2007, 02:46 PM) *
Jryan, thanks babe, you are dead on accurate.
AMD


I think it was the funeral... well not sure if they have wakes at the church.. never been to one.. Goren said Eames was meeting them at the church.. it could have been a memorial service.. and i never noticed the time of day.. also i agree that the ones involved in the investigation would surely go.. they sorta got to know a little more about them.. and it was supportive to these particular cops comrads that they had spoken to...a memorial service would have probably been at night so more officers could attend.. just some thoughts.

*bug*
Jryan
QUOTE (bugtussle47 @ Dec 29 2007, 04:12 PM) *
I think it was the funeral... well not sure if they have wakes at the church.. never been to one.. Goren said Eames was meeting them at the church.. it could have been a memorial service.. and i never noticed the time of day.. also i agree that the ones involved in the investigation would surely go.. they sorta got to know a little more about them.. and it was supportive to these particular cops comrads that they had spoken to...a memorial service would have probably been at night so more officers could attend.. just some thoughts.

*bug*



Actually just finished watching it, the sun was still shinning through the windows and other officers were working so it was still day time.
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gorens_veal
Why is the episode Masquerade with Liza Minelli not in the marathon rotation. Does this marathon mean mean that season 6 episodes will now be in the weekday rotation? Also, I wonder how much Mark Harmon's show will cut into CI reruns.
DonnaLJo
QUOTE (HelloBobby @ Dec 30 2007, 07:39 PM) *
Also, I wonder how much Mark Harmon's show will cut into CI reruns.


What's totally bizarre is that USA is pitting NCIS, it's new baby, against its very own CI, which has episodes premiering on NBC. Both are going to be on Wednesday evenings at 9:00pm. So USA will have NCIS competing against CI. I don't like that. To me, it's disloyal. I want CI to shine no matter what network it is being shown on.
Jryan
QUOTE (DonnaJo @ Dec 30 2007, 06:55 PM) *
What's totally bizarre is that USA is pitting NCIS, it's new baby, against its very own CI, which has episodes premiering on NBC. Both are going to be on Wednesday evenings at 9:00pm. So USA will have NCIS competing against CI. I don't like that. To me, it's disloyal. I want CI to shine no matter what network it is being shown on.



its not pitting it against CI, they are on the same USA network. If they Play NCIS on USA before CI maybe it will draw NCIS viewers to stay tuned to watch CI.
DonnaLJo
Yes, if they presented NCIS at 9:00pm on Thursday evenings before CI, that would be great! But that isn't the case here.

USA has decided to promote NCIS & run back to back episodes on Wednesday evenings at 9:00 & 10:00pm. That is in direct competition with CI & the mothership, which will be on NBC at the same time.

I was happy to here that NBC would be airing CI, perhaps it would generate new fans of the show who would be moved to view repeats on USA. So why is USA competing with that by airing NCIS at the same time? It doesn't make sense, that's all.
gorens_veal
USA stands to gain nothing by the episodes airing on NBC. Maybe they are doing it to see which network will get higher ratings? First run's on USA, or filler shows on NBC.

Here's hoping that VDO will be on the Today show plugging the NBC premier.
jcsavestheday
QUOTE (HelloBobby @ Dec 31 2007, 06:05 PM) *
USA stands to gain nothing by the episodes airing on NBC. Maybe they are doing it to see which network will get higher ratings? First run's on USA, or filler shows on NBC.

Here's hoping that VDO will be on the Today show plugging the NBC premier.


I'm replying to the wrong post, but oh well.

I think that USA is banking on its first runs of CI. Its not totally great that it is competing with NCIS, but the only thing that it can hurt is its overall stading in the ratings.

I also do not think that they wer banking on NCIS doing that well anyway. They have been promoting it, but they have not been promoting the snot our of it the way they did CI's move to USA. I think that if they were expecting it to do great, they would have put it on thursdays following CI.
DonnaLJo
Well, on second thought, I can understand USA being frustrated with this whole situation. rolleyes.gif

NBC abandons CI & dumps it off to USA, not wanting to spend a penny on producing the show. USA absorbs all the expense of production as well as promotion. Now with the writer's strike, NBC has a show to air (CI) with brand new episodes, when the other big networks don't. New shows they didn't spend a nickel on.

No wonder USA wants to pit a good show against it, even if it is against their own "baby."
Kowalski
QUOTE (DonnaJo @ Jan 1 2008, 10:20 AM) *
Well, on second thought, I can understand USA being frustrated with this whole situation. rolleyes.gif

NBC abandons CI & dumps it off to USA, not wanting to spend a penny on producing the show. USA absorbs all the expense of production as well as promotion. Now with the writer's strike, NBC has a show to air (CI) with brand new episodes, when the other big networks don't. New shows they didn't spend a nickel on.

No wonder USA wants to pit a good show against it, even if it is against their own "baby."



I agree, it is a little cheesy that NBC would fop-off LOCI onto USA and then reclaim it now that the network has nothing to air except reality tv shows. I don't think NBC gave LOCI one commercial while they were on the network, but USA did a grand job promoting them and it's now the highest rated cable show. But all of the large networks on smaller cable channels so we may see more shows coming up from "the minors". I like NCIS and I watch both shows, but I have to wonder if LOCI and NCIS share an audience. what do others think?
cluck73
QUOTE (Kowalski @ Jan 1 2008, 10:44 AM) *
I agree, it is a little cheesy that NBC would fop-off LOCI onto USA and then reclaim it now that the network has nothing to air except reality tv shows. I don't think NBC gave LOCI one commercial while they were on the network, but USA did a grand job promoting them and it's now the highest rated cable show. But all of the large networks on smaller cable channels so we may see more shows coming up from "the minors". I like NCIS and I watch both shows, but I have to wonder if LOCI and NCIS share an audience. what do others think?



I thought NBC always planned on this despite the writers' strike. When LOCI premiered on USA, they said the reruns would be on NBC. USA is owned by NBC Universal, so I don't think there is that much competition between the two networks.
gorens_veal
QUOTE (cluck73 @ Jan 1 2008, 11:52 AM) *
I thought NBC always planned on this despite the writers' strike. When LOCI premiered on USA, they said the reruns would be on NBC. USA is owned by NBC Universal, so I don't think there is that much competition between the two networks.


I agree. I just think that it will be great when CI gets higher ratings on USA than on NBC.

NCIS has always had higher ratings than CI. I think that Mark Harmon is very likeable. I will watch NCIS on USA. I think that by USA adopting CI, I have developed loyalities to the USA network. I check their listings before the major networks.
Jryan
QUOTE (HelloBobby @ Jan 1 2008, 02:34 PM) *
I agree. I just think that it will be great when CI gets higher ratings on USA than on NBC.

NCIS has always had higher ratings than CI. I think that Mark Harmon is very likeable. I will watch NCIS on USA. I think that by USA adopting CI, I have developed loyalities to the USA network. I check their listings before the major networks.



You also have to consider a lot of CI fans don't get cable, so NBC will be the first time they get to see the episodes.
gorens_veal
QUOTE (Jryan @ Jan 1 2008, 03:53 PM) *
You also have to consider a lot of CI fans don't get cable, so NBC will be the first time they get to see the episodes.


True. I think it will be interesting to see if NBC even cares if it has higher ratings than it did on USA, and if NBC will even publicize it.

I would like to think that viewers would tune in just because it isn't a reality show. Although if it is anywhere near American Idol it will be in trouble.

It will be interesting to see how much NBC steps up the publicity. NBC has nothing to lose. They can't cancel it.
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