I'm probably alone here.....but I hate what they are doing to Goren. The deterioation of his character is painful to watch. Ross is a jerk. Goren should receive more respect from him. Goren has a successful track record of closing cases. Does anyone know if something is going to look up for Goren soon?
QUOTE (wfwilliams @ Dec 6 2007, 10:38 PM) 
I'm probably alone here.....but I hate what they are doing to Goren. The deterioation of his character is painful to watch. Ross is a jerk. Goren should receive more respect from him. Goren has a successful track record of closing cases. Does anyone know if something is going to look up for Goren soon?
This was the last episode for a while. I don't even know if they have any more wtitten due to the strike.
QUOTE (jcsavestheday @ Dec 6 2007, 11:43 PM)
This was the last episode for a while. I don't even know if they have any more wtitten due to the strike.
hei jacs...?could you get a fw clips on youtube?
Hi Bubba here, ...
I hope so. I think he signed a three year contract recently so, there's a lot of stories still that have to be written.
QUOTE (wfwilliams @ Dec 6 2007, 10:38 PM)
I'm probably alone here.....but I hate what they are doing to Goren. The deterioation of his character is painful to watch. Ross is a jerk. Goren should receive more respect from him. Goren has a successful track record of closing cases. Does anyone know if something is going to look up for Goren soon?
I hope so. I think he signed a three year contract recently so, there's a lot of stories still that have to be written.
QUOTE (jcsavestheday @ Dec 6 2007, 11:43 PM)
This was the last episode for a while. I don't even know if they have any more wtitten due to the strike.
He acted fine , but i find somthing inarticulate about his character...some of the lines lacked in substance . i hope they will return to the bobby from season 6...moderatly depressed and somewhat angsty...
QUOTE (wfwilliams @ Dec 6 2007, 08:38 PM)
I'm probably alone here.....but I hate what they are doing to Goren. The deterioation of his character is painful to watch. Ross is a jerk. Goren should receive more respect from him. Goren has a successful track record of closing cases. Does anyone know if something is going to look up for Goren soon?
No, my friend, you're not alone. It's not just the Goren character -- messy, don't give a damn attitude, bulk (mental and physical) and not really anything interesting to say. The feel of the show has changed, as well. Wretched arrangement for the music, bad jump cuts, and Ross - ah, bring back Jamey Sheridan, and it's well remembered that Goren's track record is stunning. Kind of sad that no one in MCS remembers that, from years past.
QUOTE (TheScribe @ Dec 7 2007, 07:37 PM)
and it's well remembered that Goren's track record is stunning. Kind of sad that no one in MCS remembers that, from years past.
was it actually said somewhere that he had such a good record? I think that we really don't know about that.
But I also miss the old Bobby. I know that people change but this is getting tiring. I miss the old smart, teasing, intense Bobby.
Didn't someone say that the next G/E episode has already been shot? I really hope so. I can't wait til February!
QUOTE (waldkind @ Dec 7 2007, 01:41 PM)
was it actually said somewhere that he had such a good record? I think that we really don't know about that.
It was mentioned in ep 13 (The Insider) that prior to joining the MCS, when working as a detective in Narcotics, he ran three sting operations that resulted in 27 major arrests, all leading to convictions...
I'm sure that ross has a stellar record. Otherwise he wouldnt' be at MCS.
QUOTE (TheScribe @ Dec 7 2007, 01:37 PM)
No, my friend, you're not alone. It's not just the Goren character -- messy, don't give a damn attitude, bulk (mental and physical) and not really anything interesting to say. The feel of the show has changed, as well. Wretched arrangement for the music, bad jump cuts, and Ross - ah, bring back Jamey Sheridan, and it's well remembered that Goren's track record is stunning. Kind of sad that no one in MCS remembers that, from years past.
I think we'll get that Goren back, renovated of course, at the end of this journey.
However, I agree with you about the "feel" of the show. I thought last night was one of the better-directed episodes of this interrupted season, but sometimes the editing is a bit too cutesy for my tastes. Self-Made (another episode I enjoyed) and Offense contained a few (I assume) post-production mistakes, and both featured a weird dissolve at the end of the cold open. Also, I'm a not a fan of the constant close-up. How I long for the med/med-long shots and unobtrusive camera of earlier episodes.
*shrug* The old days are over.
QUOTE (standardgrade @ Dec 7 2007, 08:01 PM)
Also, I'm a not a fan of the constant close-up. How I long for the med/med-long shots and unobtrusive camera of earlier episodes.
*shrug* The old days are over.
*shrug* The old days are over.
oh yeah, I don't like those close-ups either. And in untethered, when Bobby finds out that Donny is missing from the holding cell and both Ross and Eames are speaking Eames gets cut off. She says "Bobby I was" or something but then you don't hear her anymore. But I think something is wrong with my copy anyway because the background noises kept getting louder and then back to normal and loud again.
QUOTE (standardgrade @ Dec 7 2007, 01:01 PM)
I think we'll get that Goren back, renovated of course, at the end of this journey.
However, I agree with you about the "feel" of the show. I thought last night was one of the better-directed episodes of this interrupted season, but sometimes the editing is a bit too cutesy for my tastes. Self-Made (another episode I enjoyed) and Offense contained a few (I assume) post-production mistakes, and both featured a weird dissolve at the end of the cold open. Also, I'm a not a fan of the constant close-up. How I long for the med/med-long shots and unobtrusive camera of earlier episodes.
*shrug* The old days are over.
However, I agree with you about the "feel" of the show. I thought last night was one of the better-directed episodes of this interrupted season, but sometimes the editing is a bit too cutesy for my tastes. Self-Made (another episode I enjoyed) and Offense contained a few (I assume) post-production mistakes, and both featured a weird dissolve at the end of the cold open. Also, I'm a not a fan of the constant close-up. How I long for the med/med-long shots and unobtrusive camera of earlier episodes.
*shrug* The old days are over.
The dissolves at the end of the cold open are an artifact left over from Logan's eps in season 6. I actually don't have a problem wit it. I think that they're trying to be more artsy with it. They're trying to give the show its own look. I say that we just go with it.
I'm sure that if the first six seasons had been shot the way they're shooting them now, and the Opening music was the same as it was now, and then they changed it to the style of the first few seasons, people would be complaing how bland the camera work and editing was and how boring the theme music was.
I've decided that most people hate change, and this is why soap operas and other shows that are meant to be continuous and run for a lon time are declining in viewership (and in quality on the soap opera end).
Its funny, the cast of the mothership changed every few seasons and back in the day people just accepted that was a part of the show. All ci did was add people and there was a back lash. Ci and SVU will never last as long as the mothership for the simple fact that the fans can't live with changes in the cast or changes in the characters. Which is sad. Because they're both good shows. They change the theme music and people want to stop watching the show. They start editing it differen'tly and all the sudden its bad. The storylines leave things left unsolved and we accuse the wrtiers of having poor skill. When will we ever be content to just watch the show and enjoy it for what it is. It is a great show.
The Law and Order franchise is built on changing with the times. the crimes change with the times, the characters change with the times. the story change wit the times. I wouldn't be surprised if the mothership went through a facelift when it resumes in january.
Back in the day L&O used to set the trend in what was topnotch for drama. The show has the ability to do that now, but I personally think that the fans are what's holding it back because we are too afriad to let things change and TPTB are too afraid to make the changes they need to for the fear of losing their (oftentimes fickle) fanbase.
And as for the character of goren. its character development. Its a journey. he's going to be a better person than he was at the beginning.
I'm playing Final Fantasy 7 right now. The main character, Cloud, is nothing like the way he was at the beginning. In the beginning he was cocky, arrogant, and self-centered. He's nothing of that right now. Right now, he's being tourtured by facing the possiblility that his isn't who he thinks that he is. None of the characters in the game are the same way.
Now I could get all mad and upset and only play the first part of the game. but what would that do? Cloud is growing, and I have to aaccept that he will come out better than he was in the more innocent time.
The same applies for Bobby.
I could go on, but I'll stop.
*end rant*
QUOTE (waldkind @ Dec 7 2007, 10:41 AM)
was it actually said somewhere that he had such a good record? I think that we really don't know about that.
But I also miss the old Bobby. I know that people change but this is getting tiring. I miss the old smart, teasing, intense Bobby.
Didn't someone say that the next G/E episode has already been shot? I really hope so. I can't wait til February!
But I also miss the old Bobby. I know that people change but this is getting tiring. I miss the old smart, teasing, intense Bobby.
Didn't someone say that the next G/E episode has already been shot? I really hope so. I can't wait til February!
Yes! He had a terrific record! Except the great miss - Nicole Wallace. That was the smart, teasing, intense Bobby, as you've said. Dedicated and brave, too. Those reruns are looking awfully good right now.
Wasn't trying to ensue a rant, but . . .
I'm going with it. I just don't like it. Or, better yet, I'm not used to it and possibly if tweaked, I'd have less to say.
Another rule (in my book): Soap Operas suck. I only watched Passions on NBC because it made me laugh and forget about my dead-end job, and I watched General Hospital: Night Shift with my mom so we could bond over salt & vinegar chips and soda.
Plus, I'm one of those rare people that doesn't watch the mothership. I'm strange, I know.
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with change, but I believe change should be for the better. The one element of the show in my opinion that's lacking is the editing. In Self-Made, there was a jump-cut about 19 minutes in that did not belong. It was disorienting. When I watch the episode now, I fast-forward past it. It's a mistake that was left in. Not good.
That was my point at the beginning of my OP, as well.
Thank you for your insight. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but it's always good to read others opinions. That's what makes this internet so great.
Did I mention I enjoyed the show? Just wanted to clear that up. Cheers!
QUOTE (jcsavestheday @ Dec 7 2007, 02:20 PM)
The dissolves at the end of the cold open are an artifact left over from Logan's eps in season 6. I actually don't have a problem wit it. I think that they're trying to be more artsy with it. They're trying to give the show its own look. I say that we just go with it.
I'm going with it. I just don't like it. Or, better yet, I'm not used to it and possibly if tweaked, I'd have less to say.
QUOTE
I'm sure that if the first six seasons had been shot the way they're shooting them now, and the Opening music was the same as it was now, and then they changed it to the style of the first few seasons, people would be complaing how bland the camera work and editing was and how boring the theme music was.
Well, as a rule, people are stupid (myself included), but I like the way the show was directed before. I didn't see the harm in expressing that. In fact, I was glad to read that someone else felt the same way. But, please don't get it twisted, I enjoy the show (I've dedicated 4 hours of my day so far to watching Untethered), and the last 10 minutes was the best network TV I've seen in weeks. Yes, I watched Paternity.QUOTE
I've decided that most people hate change, and this is why soap operas and other shows that are meant to be continuous and run for a lon time are declining in viewership (and in quality on the soap opera end).
Another rule (in my book): Soap Operas suck. I only watched Passions on NBC because it made me laugh and forget about my dead-end job, and I watched General Hospital: Night Shift with my mom so we could bond over salt & vinegar chips and soda.
QUOTE
Its funny, the cast of the mothership changed every few seasons and back in the day people just accepted that was a part of the show. All ci did was add people and there was a back lash. Ci and SVU will never last as long as the mothership for the simple fact that the fans can't live with changes in the cast or changes in the characters. Which is sad. Because they're both good shows. They change the theme music and people want to stop watching the show. They start editing it differen'tly and all the sudden its bad. The storylines leave things left unsolved and we accuse the wrtiers of having poor skill. When will we ever be content to just watch the show and enjoy it for what it is. It is a great show.
Never said it wasn't a great show. Watch it faithfully every week (reruns included). I like the path it's taking, but I personally have a problem with the editing right now.Plus, I'm one of those rare people that doesn't watch the mothership. I'm strange, I know.
QUOTE
The Law and Order franchise is built on changing with the times. the crimes change with the times, the characters change with the times. the story change wit the times. I wouldn't be surprised if the mothership went through a facelift when it resumes in january.
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with change, but I believe change should be for the better. The one element of the show in my opinion that's lacking is the editing. In Self-Made, there was a jump-cut about 19 minutes in that did not belong. It was disorienting. When I watch the episode now, I fast-forward past it. It's a mistake that was left in. Not good.
QUOTE
Back in the day L&O used to set the trend in what was topnotch for drama. The show has the ability to do that now, but I personally think that the fans are what's holding it back because we are too afriad to let things change and TPTB are too afraid to make the changes they need to for the fear of losing their (oftentimes fickle) fanbase.
Wow . . . well, I like change. I crave it. I'm a Gemini. And, I'm not fickle about L&O: CI.QUOTE
And as for the character of goren. its character development. Its a journey. he's going to be a better person than he was at the beginning.
That was my point at the beginning of my OP, as well.
QUOTE
I'm playing Final Fantasy 7 right now . . .
Zzzzzzz . . . oops. When someone says Final Fantasy to me, I dose off. My apologies.QUOTE
I could go on, but I'll stop.
*end rant*
*end rant*
Thank you for your insight. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but it's always good to read others opinions. That's what makes this internet so great.
Did I mention I enjoyed the show? Just wanted to clear that up. Cheers!
QUOTE (Bubba_Bridges @ Dec 6 2007, 11:46 PM)
Hi Bubba here, ...
I hope so. I think he signed a three year contract recently so, there's a lot of stories still that have to be written.
I hope so. I think he signed a three year contract recently so, there's a lot of stories still that have to be written.
So we have at least three or two more years depending on when he signed.
QUOTE (waldkind @ Dec 7 2007, 02:09 PM)
oh yeah, I don't like those close-ups either. And in untethered, when Bobby finds out that Donny is missing from the holding cell and both Ross and Eames are speaking Eames gets cut off. She says "Bobby I was" or something but then you don't hear her anymore. But I think something is wrong with my copy anyway because the background noises kept getting louder and then back to normal and loud again.
I do recall the scene you're describing, however it sounded like a "normal" argument to me. I'll pay closer attention the next time I watch it (and there will be a next time).
QUOTE (TheScribe @ Dec 7 2007, 01:37 PM)
No, my friend, you're not alone. It's not just the Goren character -- messy, don't give a damn attitude, bulk (mental and physical) and not really anything interesting to say. The feel of the show has changed, as well. Wretched arrangement for the music, bad jump cuts, and Ross - ah, bring back Jamey Sheridan, and it's well remembered that Goren's track record is stunning. Kind of sad that no one in MCS remembers that, from years past.
I have been depressed all day because of the episode.
I have said this before. I have loved the show since Day 1 because of Bobby Goren. He was smart, funny, well dressed, sexy as hell and when he spoke it was intoxicating.
I am not liking the direction he has been going in for the past few seasons. Maybe VDO is happy with it, I, as a loyal fan am not. I'm sure because of physical reasons on VDO's part, the writing has shifted so dramatically.
My husband even said he has never looked heavier than last night. I thought he was moving better. Anyone notice the leg shaking when he was leaning. I thiught he looked very handsome.
Maybe VDO thought the show was ending and wanted to go out with a bang. Now it has new life and he has to get back on board.
I need something to love about Goren. It is so sad to think that he is pathetic and sad and lonely.
QUOTE (standardgrade @ Dec 7 2007, 02:40 PM)
Wasn't trying to ensue a rant, but . . .
I'm going with it. I just don't like it. Or, better yet, I'm not used to it and possibly if tweaked, I'd have less to say.
Well, as a rule, people are stupid (myself included), but I like the way the show was directed before. I didn't see the harm in expressing that. In fact, I was glad to read that someone else felt the same way. But, please don't get it twisted, I enjoy the show (I've dedicated 4 hours of my day so far to watching Untethered), and the last 10 minutes was the best network TV I've seen in weeks. Yes, I watched Paternity.
Another rule (in my book): Soap Operas suck. I only watched Passions on NBC because it made me laugh and forget about my dead-end job, and I watched General Hospital: Night Shift with my mom so we could bond over salt & vinegar chips and soda.
Never said it wasn't a great show. Watch it faithfully every week (reruns included). I like the path it's taking, but I personally have a problem with the editing right now.
Plus, I'm one of those rare people that doesn't watch the mothership. I'm strange, I know.
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with change, but I believe change should be for the better. The one element of the show in my opinion that's lacking is the editing. In Self-Made, there was a jump-cut about 19 minutes in that did not belong. It was disorienting. When I watch the episode now, I fast-forward past it. It's a mistake that was left in. Not good.
Wow . . . well, I like change. I crave it. I'm a Gemini. And, I'm not fickle about L&O: CI.
That was my point at the beginning of my OP, as well.
Zzzzzzz . . . oops. When someone says Final Fantasy to me, I dose off. My apologies.
Thank you for your insight. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but it's always good to read others opinions. That's what makes this internet so great.
Did I mention I enjoyed the show? Just wanted to clear that up. Cheers!
I'm going with it. I just don't like it. Or, better yet, I'm not used to it and possibly if tweaked, I'd have less to say.
Well, as a rule, people are stupid (myself included), but I like the way the show was directed before. I didn't see the harm in expressing that. In fact, I was glad to read that someone else felt the same way. But, please don't get it twisted, I enjoy the show (I've dedicated 4 hours of my day so far to watching Untethered), and the last 10 minutes was the best network TV I've seen in weeks. Yes, I watched Paternity.
Another rule (in my book): Soap Operas suck. I only watched Passions on NBC because it made me laugh and forget about my dead-end job, and I watched General Hospital: Night Shift with my mom so we could bond over salt & vinegar chips and soda.
Never said it wasn't a great show. Watch it faithfully every week (reruns included). I like the path it's taking, but I personally have a problem with the editing right now.
Plus, I'm one of those rare people that doesn't watch the mothership. I'm strange, I know.
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with change, but I believe change should be for the better. The one element of the show in my opinion that's lacking is the editing. In Self-Made, there was a jump-cut about 19 minutes in that did not belong. It was disorienting. When I watch the episode now, I fast-forward past it. It's a mistake that was left in. Not good.
Wow . . . well, I like change. I crave it. I'm a Gemini. And, I'm not fickle about L&O: CI.
That was my point at the beginning of my OP, as well.
Zzzzzzz . . . oops. When someone says Final Fantasy to me, I dose off. My apologies.
Thank you for your insight. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but it's always good to read others opinions. That's what makes this internet so great.
Did I mention I enjoyed the show? Just wanted to clear that up. Cheers!
not all of that was direccted at you. Just in general.
QUOTE (Mone @ Dec 7 2007, 12:54 PM)
It was mentioned in ep 13 (The Insider) that prior to joining the MCS, when working as a detective in Narcotics, he ran three sting operations that resulted in 27 major arrests, all leading to convictions...
thank you for that tidbit. :idea_lightblub:
QUOTE (wfwilliams @ Dec 6 2007, 11:38 PM)
I'm probably alone here.....but I hate what they are doing to Goren. The deterioation of his character is painful to watch. Ross is a jerk. Goren should receive more respect from him. Goren has a successful track record of closing cases. Does anyone know if something is going to look up for Goren soon?
A lot of people are writing about Goren's change in character which is obvious and even VDO has talked about it. But I think the core of Goren, which are the reasons I love him so much, are still the same. I have always thought of him as righteous, brave, strong, honest, etc. Think about the level of bravery he demonstrated by doing what he did last night. Not only did he volunteer to put himself in danger knowing what went on in the hellhole, but even after he was originally arrested, he didn't quit until they put him in the mental ward. Then he kept it together while being strapped to that table and denied water. Which also shows his incredible strength. Also, think about why he did this. For his loser brother and an unknown nephew. That shows his tremendous loyalty and righteousness. He wasn't going to rest until he tried to correct the wrongs that were going on at Tates. So, maybe his personality is a little different, but his core values are the same and thats why I still love him.
QUOTE (TheScribe @ Dec 7 2007, 02:25 PM)
Yes! He had a terrific record! Except the great miss - Nicole Wallace. That was the smart, teasing, intense Bobby, as you've said. Dedicated and brave, too. Those reruns are looking awfully good right now.
Welcome "TheScribe"! I agree with you, we need Nicole! K
QUOTE (cluck73 @ Dec 9 2007, 10:02 PM)
A lot of people are writing about Goren's change in character which is obvious and even VDO has talked about it. But I think the core of Goren, which are the reasons I love him so much, are still the same. I have always thought of him as righteous, brave, strong, honest, etc. Think about the level of bravery he demonstrated by doing what he did last night. Not only did he volunteer to put himself in danger knowing what went on in the hellhole, but even after he was originally arrested, he didn't quit until they put him in the mental ward. Then he kept it together while being strapped to that table and denied water. Which also shows his incredible strength. Also, think about why he did this. For his loser brother and an unknown nephew. That shows his tremendous loyalty and righteousness. He wasn't going to rest until he tried to correct the wrongs that were going on at Tates. So, maybe his personality is a little different, but his core values are the same and thats why I still love him.
Agreed - the beginning of Untethered, when he bought the brick off the homeless man for $20 - there was spark of the 'old' Goren - that made me long for the earlier seasons. But you're right. Our Bobby is in there but he's had so much to deal with that he has to be allowed to battle the demons that the writers have toyed with for so long - and VDO's acting is always superb. If this is the direction Vincent wants the character to go, we'll have to hang on for the ride and see where we end up. Hopefully, there'll be a return of the Goren that we're used to, but changed to reflect everything's he's been through. I miss his quirks and sense of humor - Goren is synonymous with "out there" (i.e. The Goren show's back in town!
)I know I'll keep watching as long as VDO's on LOCI - he's the ONLY reason I watch (I used to love Jamey Sheridan and Courtney B. Vance - I miss them terribly).
I really miss Jamey Sheridan! I'll always be a HUGE fan of VDO, but this season doesn't IMO, compare to last. The Endgame, their will be no episode to compare to that one. I might be suprised next season. K
QUOTE (KRodgers @ Dec 10 2007, 01:42 PM)
I really miss Jamey Sheridan! I'll always be a HUGE fan of VDO, but this season doesn't IMO, compare to last. The Endgame, their will be no episode to compare to that one. I might be suprised next season. K
Unfortunately, I haven't seen many of the season 6 episodes yet. LOCI didn't catch my attention until it surfaced on USA but I got hooked fast!! I have the first three seasons on DVD and am anxiously awaiting the release of the others - I've read episode synops to try to keep up what happened in season 6 but can't wait to see them first hand.
If they brought Jamey Sheridan back as Deakins you might see some return to normalcy in Goren since Deakins always had his back and worked with him, while Ross is just intimidated by Bobby and his intelligence (and track record - I believe Nicole Wallace is the only one who got away).
QUOTE (Judyg @ Dec 10 2007, 02:12 PM)
Unfortunately, I haven't seen many of the season 6 episodes yet. LOCI didn't catch my attention until it surfaced on USA but I got hooked fast!! I have the first three seasons on DVD and am anxiously awaiting the release of the others - I've read episode synops to try to keep up what happened in season 6 but can't wait to see them first hand.
If they brought Jamey Sheridan back as Deakins you might see some return to normalcy in Goren since Deakins always had his back and worked with him, while Ross is just intimidated by Bobby and his intelligence (and track record - I believe Nicole Wallace is the only one who got away).
Does anyone know why Deakins left in the first place? I don't know about you guys, but Ross just gets under my skin! Personally, he's not the best actor out there. Sorry, but sometimes the truth hurts, and that's my opinion only. And one more thing, ME Rogers, the casting crew can do better as well, IMO only. K If they brought Jamey Sheridan back as Deakins you might see some return to normalcy in Goren since Deakins always had his back and worked with him, while Ross is just intimidated by Bobby and his intelligence (and track record - I believe Nicole Wallace is the only one who got away).
QUOTE (KRodgers @ Dec 10 2007, 02:21 PM)
Does anyone know why Deakins left in the first place? I don't know about you guys, but Ross just gets under my skin! Personally, he's not the best actor out there. Sorry, but sometimes the truth hurts, and that's my opinion only. And one more thing, ME Rogers, the casting crew can do better as well, IMO only. K
My understanding was that he - like Courtney B. Vance - was finding it difficult travelling to NYC from wherever he lives. But my understanding is notoriously dodgy, so ...
Or it may have been health issues. Whatever it is, I hope he knows we miss him! I really enjoyed his character.
QUOTE (Lozzie @ Dec 10 2007, 02:26 PM)
My understanding was that he - like Courtney B. Vance - was finding it difficult travelling to NYC from wherever he lives. But my understanding is notoriously dodgy, so ...
Or it may have been health issues. Whatever it is, I hope he knows we miss him! I really enjoyed his character.
Or it may have been health issues. Whatever it is, I hope he knows we miss him! I really enjoyed his character.
I think you're right, Lozzie - but I haven't seen either of them in anything since they left that I can recall. Even a guest spot would be great!
Like the tie clip. You are clever & talented. I'm lucky I got a picture with my profile! (I'm still trying to figure this place out.)
judyg
QUOTE (Judyg @ Dec 10 2007, 02:32 PM)
I think you're right, Lozzie - but I haven't seen either of them in anything since they left that I can recall. Even a guest spot would be great!
Just found a note saying he´ll play a role (character name Ernie Wunch) in a TV show called "Babylon Fields", starting January 1st, 2008..?!
QUOTE (Mone @ Dec 11 2007, 03:27 PM)
Just found a note saying he´ll play a role (character name Ernie Wunch) in a TV show called "Babylon Fields", starting January 1st, 2008..?!
It'll be great to see him again. I'd love for him and Carver to do guest spots on LOCI just to follow their characters.
QUOTE (Judyg @ Dec 10 2007, 11:12 AM)
Unfortunately, I haven't seen many of the season 6 episodes yet. LOCI didn't catch my attention until it surfaced on USA but I got hooked fast!! I have the first three seasons on DVD and am anxiously awaiting the release of the others - I've read episode synops to try to keep up what happened in season 6 but can't wait to see them first hand.
If they brought Jamey Sheridan back as Deakins you might see some return to normalcy in Goren since Deakins always had his back and worked with him, while Ross is just intimidated by Bobby and his intelligence (and track record - I believe Nicole Wallace is the only one who got away).
If they brought Jamey Sheridan back as Deakins you might see some return to normalcy in Goren since Deakins always had his back and worked with him, while Ross is just intimidated by Bobby and his intelligence (and track record - I believe Nicole Wallace is the only one who got away).
I seem to be in "defend Ross" mode today. I think we would have seen the same changes in Goren if Deakins were still there. The changes came about because of his personal life--the friction with Ross last season just exacerbated them. Deakins certainly would have been more sympathetic and understanding of Bobby as he unraveled, but I think he would have unraveled just the same. And remember, this unraveling, angsty Goren is the only one that Ross knows. Certainly he should have known how stellar his record was from his personnel file, but as for personal interaction, Ross hasn't had the pleasure of meeting fun, quirky Bobby. And I will repeat what I said (in a MUCH longer post) on the Untethered thread--I think Deakins would have done exactly what Ross did in this episode (although with more compassion when he had to send Donny back to Tates).
As for the topic of this thread--I like where they have taken Bobby last season and this. I love fun, quirky Bobby, but I know we will not likely get him back. I just hope there will be some sort of middle ground. Angst is fun for a while, then it just gets tedious (like Stabler on SVU!).
If I got it right, he plays an undead... 
Summary of "Babylon Fields"
As he plays "Ernie Wunch", he´d be the "killed husband"...weird...
Summary of "Babylon Fields"
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In this comedic drama, the dead are resurrected and try to resume their former lives where they left off. The zombies rising results in lives regained as families are restored, but at the same time opens old wounds. The pilot episode is written by Gerald Cuesta and Michael Atkinson, who will also serve as supervising producers.
Rome's Ray Stevenson will play Carl Tiptree, the town's chief detective whose wife is resurrected. Joan of Arcadia's Amber Tamblyn will play Janine Wunch, a young girl who, after being abused by her father, teamed with her mom to kill him, but they never expected that he would come back to life. Emmy winner from Picket Fences Kathy Baker will also star in this new drama. She will play Amber Tamblyn's mother, Shirley Wunch, a low-rent suburban housewife who kills her husband.
Rome's Ray Stevenson will play Carl Tiptree, the town's chief detective whose wife is resurrected. Joan of Arcadia's Amber Tamblyn will play Janine Wunch, a young girl who, after being abused by her father, teamed with her mom to kill him, but they never expected that he would come back to life. Emmy winner from Picket Fences Kathy Baker will also star in this new drama. She will play Amber Tamblyn's mother, Shirley Wunch, a low-rent suburban housewife who kills her husband.
As he plays "Ernie Wunch", he´d be the "killed husband"...weird...
QUOTE (Mone @ Dec 11 2007, 12:41 PM)
If I got it right, he plays an undead...
Summary of "Babylon Fields"
As he plays "Ernie Wunch", he´d be the "killed husband"...weird...
Summary of "Babylon Fields"
As he plays "Ernie Wunch", he´d be the "killed husband"...weird...
Are we talking about Jamey Sheridan? And is this show going to be on network or cable? I haven't heard anything about it. Don't know if I could sit through a show with my beloved Deakins as an abusing father. YIKES!
QUOTE (ciaddict @ Dec 11 2007, 03:50 PM)
Are we talking about Jamey Sheridan? And is this show going to be on network or cable? I haven't heard anything about it. Don't know if I could sit through a show with my beloved Deakins as an abusing father. YIKES!
Yep, I was talking about Jamey Sheridan... I´m not entirely sure where the show is going to air, but I think I read somethin about network...
btw, sorry for all the OT!
Here are some short clips (one of them with Jamey), just scroll down, they´re beneath the text: Babylon Fields
QUOTE (Judyg @ Dec 10 2007, 02:12 PM)
Unfortunately, I haven't seen many of the season 6 episodes yet. LOCI didn't catch my attention until it surfaced on USA but I got hooked fast!! I have the first three seasons on DVD and am anxiously awaiting the release of the others - I've read episode synops to try to keep up what happened in season 6 but can't wait to see them first hand.
If they brought Jamey Sheridan back as Deakins you might see some return to normalcy in Goren since Deakins always had his back and worked with him, while Ross is just intimidated by Bobby and his intelligence (and track record - I believe Nicole Wallace is the only one who got away).
If they brought Jamey Sheridan back as Deakins you might see some return to normalcy in Goren since Deakins always had his back and worked with him, while Ross is just intimidated by Bobby and his intelligence (and track record - I believe Nicole Wallace is the only one who got away).
Hey, Judyg, I'm a latecomer to LOCI, too! I didn't start until sometime in S6, altho the eps that got me hooked were from earlier seasons (USA reruns).
I used to always forget when new LOCI eps were on.
Can you imagine that???
I miss Vintage!Goren, too, but I trust VDO to take me wherever he wants, with the character.
spook
I know there's a thread here someplace, but just to repeat--Mr. Sheridan asked to be written out of the show because he didn't want to travel from Los Angeles (where he lives) to New York.
Mr. Vance's departure was more mysterious. There was some suggestion NBC was pressing the producers to cut costs, and Mr. Vance was one of the victims of this.
Patcat
Mr. Vance's departure was more mysterious. There was some suggestion NBC was pressing the producers to cut costs, and Mr. Vance was one of the victims of this.
Patcat
QUOTE (Patcat @ Dec 11 2007, 04:15 PM)
I know there's a thread here someplace, but just to repeat--Mr. Sheridan asked to be written out of the show because he didn't want to travel from Los Angeles (where he lives) to New York.
Mr. Vance's departure was more mysterious. There was some suggestion NBC was pressing the producers to cut costs, and Mr. Vance was one of the victims of this.
Patcat
Mr. Vance's departure was more mysterious. There was some suggestion NBC was pressing the producers to cut costs, and Mr. Vance was one of the victims of this.
Patcat
That's too sad, if that's what happened to Courtney Vance. I liked him! He was a good foil for Goren.
OT: Patcat, I love your fanfic!
spook
QUOTE (Judyg @ Dec 10 2007, 02:32 PM)
I think you're right, Lozzie - but I haven't seen either of them in anything since they left that I can recall. Even a guest spot would be great!
Like the tie clip. You are clever & talented. I'm lucky I got a picture with my profile! (I'm still trying to figure this place out.)
judyg
Like the tie clip. You are clever & talented. I'm lucky I got a picture with my profile! (I'm still trying to figure this place out.)
judyg
I miss Deakins and Carver, too!!!!!!!!!!!
<H5 class=filmo>Courtney Vance's IMDB PAGE shows he is a producer for "Masterwork" and was on The Rachael Ray Show and The View and Tavis Smiley:
[u]http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005524/[/u][/color]</H5>
- [color="#003399"]Masterwork (2008) (pre-production) (producer)
- "Rachael Ray" .... Himself (1 episode, 2007)
- Episode dated 12 June 2007 (2007) TV episode .... Himself - "The View" .... Himself (1 episode, 2007)
- Episode dated 28 February 2007 (2007) TV episode .... Himself - "Tavis Smiley" .... Himself (1 episode, 2007)
Jamey Sheridan's IMDB PAGE shows he is in Babylon Fields (2007) (TV)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0792177/
I miss the old, but like the new too.
QUOTE (Jryan @ Dec 11 2007, 05:39 PM)
I miss the old, but like the new too.
I'm with you, Captain. Vintage Goren is one of a kind but the new, angstier (word?) Goren is interesting. I'm just hoping he finds a middle ground in between. After everything he's gone through, he can never be the same man we got used to in the first few seasons - like everyone, he's grown as a person and suffered losses. I just want to see that smile of Goren's again.
judyg
QUOTE (wfwilliams @ Dec 6 2007, 10:38 PM)
I'm probably alone here.....but I hate what they are doing to Goren. The deterioation of his character is painful to watch. Ross is a jerk. Goren should receive more respect from him. Goren has a successful track record of closing cases. Does anyone know if something is going to look up for Goren soon?
I totally agree. I haven't been able to watch all but a few of this season's eps because I don't have cable but ever since last year Goren has been portrayed as more of a liability than anything else. But I've been watching a lot of the old shows and he is so smart and capable and always a step above everyone else. But he isn't anti-social, just intense. The absolute low point of the series for me was when they brought in the whole serial killer - is he or isn't he my dad? - story line. I found it gratuitous and totally unnecessary. There was enough life changing events going on in his life - mom dying, only blood relative left, brother, deserting him and once again leaving him to deal all by himself. His whole life was about his mother's sickness and her death alone would be enough for many episodes of angst and personal growth. And what's this I hear in the thread about a nephew who suddenly shows up and requires Goren to go undercover in a mental hospital? I can't judge because I haven't seen it yet but it sounds awful gimmicky. I long for the old, cool. quirky, respected Bobby. Hope he's back soon.
M.
QUOTE (mmoritz @ Jan 9 2008, 12:23 AM)
I totally agree. I haven't been able to watch all but a few of this season's eps because I don't have cable but ever since last year Goren has been portrayed as more of a liability than anything else. But I've been watching a lot of the old shows and he is so smart and capable and always a step above everyone else. But he isn't anti-social, just intense. The absolute low point of the series for me was when they brought in the whole serial killer - is he or isn't he my dad? - story line. I found it gratuitous and totally unnecessary. There was enough life changing events going on in his life - mom dying, only blood relative left, brother, deserting him and once again leaving him to deal all by himself. His whole life was about his mother's sickness and her death alone would be enough for many episodes of angst and personal growth. And what's this I hear in the thread about a nephew who suddenly shows up and requires Goren to go undercover in a mental hospital? I can't judge because I haven't seen it yet but it sounds awful gimmicky. I long for the old, cool. quirky, respected Bobby. Hope he's back soon.
M.
M.
Brace yourself then. That Goren is almost all gone. The physical changes are the most shocking to me. Stick with him though, he is still Bobby.
QUOTE (HelloBobby @ Jan 9 2008, 01:30 PM)
Brace yourself then. That Goren is almost all gone. The physical changes are the most shocking to me. Stick with him though, he is still Bobby.
Yes,Bobby is still Bobby!!On my cable there stll no new episodes!!I mean the new,from season seven!!But I do visit "You Tube",and other similar sites!!That helps a lott!!
QUOTE (HelloBobby @ Jan 9 2008, 06:30 AM)
Brace yourself then. That Goren is almost all gone. The physical changes are the most shocking to me. Stick with him though, he is still Bobby.
Oh, that would make me so sad. I just figure the weight gain is the result of quitting smokes and that movie role. As far as his character goes - he doesn't seem to feel so great about himself so it kind of makes sense he'd let himself go. He's pretty depressed. But how about that new NBC commercial. After, 3 weeks of promises in my local (Chicago) TV guide that CI reruns were part of the nightly programming - the NBC site advertised a CI marathon Dec. 26 that never happened - now they're promoting the show returning to NBC tonight by featuring Goren as a nut job. Something like - "Oh, and did we mention this guy?" and there is that scene of Goren acting crazy and saying, "I'm the nut job." They're kind of portraying him as comic relief when that's obviously not what that scene was about. Really bums me out.
M.
i miss our old happy goofy dancing goren. i just wish they would stop this little depression he's going thru and bring our boy back. back in the day when he would get a suspect to crack he would use sarcasm and wit, now it seems like in order to get a suspect to break he just intimidates them and gets angry. i love vince no matter what but i miss the old goren... i want that guy back
QUOTE (gorengurl22 @ Jan 10 2008, 04:27 AM)
i miss our old happy goofy dancing goren. i just wish they would stop this little depression he's going thru and bring our boy back. back in the day when he would get a suspect to crack he would use sarcasm and wit, now it seems like in order to get a suspect to break he just intimidates them and gets angry. i love vince no matter what but i miss the old goren... i want that guy back
ME TOO!!
Give Goren a brake!!
QUOTE (gorengurl22 @ Jan 9 2008, 10:27 PM)
i miss our old happy goofy dancing goren. i just wish they would stop this little depression he's going thru and bring our boy back. back in the day when he would get a suspect to crack he would use sarcasm and wit, now it seems like in order to get a suspect to break he just intimidates them and gets angry. i love vince no matter what but i miss the old goren... i want that guy back
Forgive me, but D'Onofrio will never revert back to the happy, goofy, dancing Goren. He likes playing Goren depressed & with deep, inner problems & emotions. I guess most actors prefer that type of role - it's meatier & a more serious approach towards their craft.
I love the Season 4 Goren. He was a little depressed, but his demons were hidden. One could only guess what was happening in his personal life to cause that quiet sadness. For example, he'd show up unshaven but impeccably dressed. The viewer would be left wondering why. Was he with a woman? Was his Mom sick?
Now, it's all out there. We know everything & that isn't interesting, IMO. I do enjoy the personal storylines, but I wish they would go back to being more subtle & hidden with some of it.
Goren isn't mysterious anymore. That was a big part of his appeal, at least to me.
QUOTE (DonnaJo @ Jan 11 2008, 03:09 PM)
Forgive me, but D'Onofrio will never revert back to the happy, goofy, dancing Goren. He likes playing Goren depressed & with deep, inner problems & emotions. I guess most actors prefer that type of role - it's meatier & a more serious approach towards their craft.
I love the Season 4 Goren. He was a little depressed, but his demons were hidden. One could only guess what was happening in his personal life to cause that quiet sadness. For example, he'd show up unshaven but impeccably dressed. The viewer would be left wondering why. Was he with a woman? Was his Mom sick?
Now, it's all out there. We know everything & that isn't interesting, IMO. I do enjoy the personal storylines, but I wish they would go back to being more subtle & hidden with some of it.
Goren isn't mysterious anymore. That was a big part of his appeal, at least to me.
I love the Season 4 Goren. He was a little depressed, but his demons were hidden. One could only guess what was happening in his personal life to cause that quiet sadness. For example, he'd show up unshaven but impeccably dressed. The viewer would be left wondering why. Was he with a woman? Was his Mom sick?
Now, it's all out there. We know everything & that isn't interesting, IMO. I do enjoy the personal storylines, but I wish they would go back to being more subtle & hidden with some of it.
Goren isn't mysterious anymore. That was a big part of his appeal, at least to me.
Goren needs a good woman and great sex. sorry, but thats what he needs. And VDO won't let him have it. Its like a inner tumoil. Oh geez am I saying this out loud.
QUOTE (Jryan @ Jan 11 2008, 04:24 PM)
Goren needs a good woman and great sex. sorry, but thats what he needs. And VDO won't let him have it. Its like a inner tumoil. Oh geez am I saying this out loud.
That is the God's Honest Truth! Why won't Vincent let little Bobby have some love? It doesn't have to be shown, merely implied.
QUOTE (Jryan @ Jan 11 2008, 10:24 PM)
Goren needs a good woman and great sex. sorry, but thats what he needs. And VDO won't let him have it. Its like a inner tumoil. Oh geez am I saying this out loud.
Woman like me!!(gigling and blushing)
Yes you said it out loud!
I recently watched Masquerade from Season 6. I'm glad that Season 6 is now in the re-run rotation on USA. That is the episode with Liza Minelli. She was great. I hated that episode. VDO looked awful. Barely moving. Puffy, such a shocking change from previous seasons. No chemistry between he and Eames at all. It was almost like they couldn't stand eachother. It showed him drinking twice, once on the plane and then at dinner with Beth (Liza). When originally aired, I thought they were implying that he would trun into an alcoholic, thankfully that never happened.
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